The Roman Catholic Church is Not The True Church of God
July 17, 2007 by Bro. Eli
I am giving way to a response posted by a certain Kay for my article entitled “Are Other Christian Not True Churches?”.
I appreciate the responses to my comment and the spirit of Christian correction in which they are given. I understand your passion to defend the truth as you perceive it, as this similar passion is the same love I have for the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Though not all of the posts directed to me were polite and on-tangent, thank you.
Yup, I do appreciate Mr. Soriano’s insights on non-doctrinal issues, particularly his premium on basic Christian values.
I felt that the post was wasted because it’s essentially a “judge not” post (with verses that I can throw back at you as well!); a topic irrelevant to the document at hand because never did the writers argue that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Salvation is ultimately God’s power to grant and despite the fact that God granted the church to declare loose what must be declared loose, and bound what must be declared bound, we can never presume above His mercy. This is a position we have held for years. You must be confusing us with INC.
Other churches are defective meaning lacking in apostolic authority, yes. We can argue day in and day out whether Peter is a rock or a pebble, but we cannot conveniently drop the verse where Christ handed Peter the keys to gates of heaven. Christ did institute apostolic authority.
Kay
Dear Kay,
I am very sorry to have grieved you as you expressed in your response. I appreciate your frankness because I am a frank person, too. I hate using words to camouflage what really is inside me.
(1 Thessalonians 2:5) “For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloak of covetousness; God is witness…”
When I express something or anything it comes from my heart and it is the best of my knowledge and belief. I maybe wrong in my perceptions sometimes, but I always make it a point that whenever I teach other people, must be 100% Biblical. It has been my attitude and practice not to allege anything especially against anybody if I do not have sufficient evidences to prove it.
(Isaiah 43:9) “Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and show us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.”
In the interest of truth and justice, at least, there must be two or three witnesses to be brought to testify in a given argument or dispute. The preceding verse requires witnesses.
(2 Corinthians 13:1) “This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.”
It is not only normal, but sane, to love your faith — your church. But it is also wise and sane to be sure that your church or your faith is the true church and faith based on Scriptural truths.
(John 17:17) “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.”
While I am discussing the truth in any given topic, I must tell you that not everything that I know can be injected on a particular topic. You said in your response that never did the Roman Catholic Church claim that there is no salvation outside the RCC. I hereunder copy what you said:
“I felt that the post was wasted because it’s essentially a “judge not” post (with verses that I can throw back at you as well!); a topic irrelevant to the document at hand because never did the writers argue that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.”
Dominus Iesus states that other churches (out of the Catholic Church) are not true churches, but merely ecclesiastical communities and therefore did not have the “means of salvation”.
If this does not mean that you are judging all churches outside of your alleged true church, is this camouflaged hypocrisy? Logic dictates that where there are no means of salvation, there is no salvation; and that is precisely what is meant by RCC authorities. Here is something I presume you do not know which was included your book “Religion Doctrine and Practice” by Francis B. Casilly page 355 this (see image below).
You said that my post was wasted. I am sorry you judged it hastily. It would have been better if you asked me if I have further proof to substantiate what I have written. You also said that it is a topic irrelevant to the document at hand, but in searching for the truth, you have to consider present and previous claims and teachings made by the Roman Catholic Church. It is just like taking something out from the whole context of a book or a set of teachings and not taking it out of context.
(Isaiah 34:16) “Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.”
In the fore cited verse, the Book of the Lord contains all the necessary elements of truths. They must be taken in context for the entire truth to be known. Hereunder, is a part of the question raised at the Second Vatican Council, and the corresponding response:
CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
RESPONSES TO SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING CERTAIN ASPECTS
OF THE DOCTRINE ON THE CHURCH
SECOND QUESTION
What is the meaning of the affirmation that the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church?
RESPONSE
Christ “established here on earth” only one Church and instituted it as a “visible and spiritual community”[5], that from its beginning and throughout the centuries has always existed and will always exist, and in which alone are found all the elements that Christ himself instituted.[6] “This one Church of Christ, which we confess in the Creed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic […]. This Church, constituted and organised in this world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the successor of Peter and the Bishops in communion with him”.[7]
In number 8 of the Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium ‘subsistence’ means this perduring, historical continuity and the permanence of all the elements instituted by Christ in the Catholic Church[8], in which the Church of Christ is concretely found on this earth.
It is possible, according to Catholic doctrine, to affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church, on account of the elements of sanctification and truth that are present in them.[9] Nevertheless, the word “subsists” can only be attributed to the Catholic Church alone precisely because it refers to the mark of unity that we profess in the symbols of the faith (I believe… in the “one” Church); and this “one” Church subsists in the Catholic Church.[10]
If you believe in all your heart in the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church as defined and redefined in the Second Vatican Council, which I copied above, I hope you will understand me if I believe with all my heart in the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ written even in the official Catholic Bible.
In the above cited Lumen Gentium 8 (I do not want to judge that this is spoken in hypocrisy), it states that: the church of Christ is present and operative in other churches or ecclesiastical communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church…
Christ said:
(Matthew 12:30) “He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.”
How could you say that there is “no salvation outside the Catholic Church” and at the same time, teach as doctrine that, in other churches not in communion with your church, that the Church of Christ is present and operative? Is this a blatant hypocrisy or a blatant lie?
True Biblical love is not double faced or minded.
(Romans 12:9) “Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.”
We must not say that there is no salvation in other churches nor “they did not have the means of salvation” and at the same time appease them by saying that the Church of Christ is operative and present in them — the Holy Scriptures prohibits such hypocrisy.
(Romans 14:22) “Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.”
I am not confusing you with the Iglesia ni Cristo of Felix Manalo (Church of Christ by Felix Manalo) because you have the same erroneous and unbiblical stand. You both judge those outside your church, which is against the Gospel. God is the only one capable of judging those outside the true Church of God. (See image below)
(1 Corinthians 5:13) “God will judge those outside the church…” NIV
The history of your church proves that you have unfairly judged the ‘outsiders’. (See reference below)
Perhaps this cruelty is the result of your belief that there is no salvation outside your church.
This belief came to your church and that of Manalo’s church and other churches founded by man, because of gross ignorance of the Scriptures.
Even those who have not heard the Gospel can be justified by God by doing the “things of the law” written in their hearts.
(Romans 2:11-15) “For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another…”
God’s justice and compassion can not be limited by man, nor by any church!
Just to give you some food for thought (which I hope is welcome by the impression I had of the kind of person you are), is it true that “This Church, constituted and organised in this world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the successor of Peter and the Bishops in communion with him (7) In number 8 of the Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium ‘subsistence’ means this perduring, historical continuity and the permanence of all the elements instituted by Christ in the Catholic Church[8], in which the Church of Christ is concretely found on this earth.”
1. “Governed by the successor of Peter”
Was Peter the successor of Christ? Or Paul?
(Colossians 1:24-25) “Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church: Whereof I am made a minister according to the dispensation of God, which is given me towards you, that I may fulfil the word of God…”
2. ‘subsistence’ means this perduring, historical continuity and the permanence of all the elements
Was there really continuity in the power and succession, as you claim? Here is a document to consider. For eleven years, your church (RCC) was governed by a very notorious pope. What happened to the continuity you are claiming?(See reference below)
I want you to note that this magazine came from inside the Vatican itself. That this pope is “one of the most notorious”, meaning, there were so many of them! Will it be alright if I say that the Roman Catholic Church is not the true Church of God?
May God bless and enlighten you.
EFS
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I guess nobody can really refute brother eli. Everything he says has a basis! There’s a saying that “if you can’t beat them, join them!”.
In my own opinion, the best thing to do for someone to have a ‘decent result’ in debating bro eli is to stop talking. But will not be good for readers for it will not be a debate anymore. Well, anyways, just passed by… peace!
Definitely not! Roman Catholic Church is not the true Church of God!!! Bro. Eli proved it clearly!!!
amen bro eli!thanks be to GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I WAS ONCE A CATHOLIC FOR 4 YEARS AND GROPING IN THE DARKNESS,…I NEVER THOUGHT THERE WAS TRUTH …THAT TRUTH EXISTED……I WAS ALIEN TO GOD’S WORD AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS…………..I WAS BLIND THEN………….
BUT THANKS TO GOD! AND TO THE MAN HE SENT TO PREACH HIS WORD IN TOTALITY AND TRUTH!……YES,NOW …I CAN SEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TRUE…..THE CHURCH…THE TRUE CHURCH SHALL PREACH THE WORD OF GOD UNTO ALL NATIONS!! SALAMAT SA DIOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very well said and explained Bro. Eli! To God be the glory!
This Blog is definitely 100% Biblical and Bro. Eli is definitely 100% messenger of The Most High.
TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!! =)
i believe that roman catholic church is not the true church that is stated in the bible because of their erroneous teachings…
(for example)
God commanded us not to bow down in graven images for it is abomination in the sight of God
Deu 5:7 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Deu 5:8 Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Deu 5:9 thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I, Jehovah, thy God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate me;
1Pe 4:3 For the time past may suffice to have wrought the desire of the Gentiles, and to have walked in lasciviousness, lusts, winebibbings, revellings, carousings, and abominable idolatries:
Are they teaching this doctrine????
just for correction.
i was a catholic for 41 yrs….not 4…sorry for the typographical missout. thanks!
we are not perfect and wether we like it or not, the people running the churches or religion are also not perfect…
do you agree with this statement?
is it possible to be saved by faith alone?
i don’t attend mass or go to any congregation because i lost my faith on them…there are black propaganda everywhere…
what do you think is the reason why there are so many religion or churches formed in the philippines?
as a nation, we should be united…
to Kaye!!!
greetings of peace!
i hope you understood well what Bro.Eli posted as a reply from your post. Open your mind and open your heart, and you will be enlightened. but, i also wanna inform you, that if you are not pleased yet, why don’t you invite your pope plus the thousands of bishops and catholic heads to have a DEBATE with Bro. Eli live on TV. thank you.
it’s really not a true church, i’ve been there, and now i can also see! i hope they will open their eyes/ears especially hearts, just like my friend who never listened!
I was born and raise catholic, and studied in catholic school from elementary to HS which was ran by the franciscan priest and nuns. It continued when I took vocational course in Don Bosco which was managed by the Salesian priest. All those years I was a devout catholic. Eventhough I always attending the mass and pray the rosary and was once a devoutee in Baclaran and Quiapo. But with all those things i always felt something is missing, i wasn’t happy. I thank God for showing me the true church and heard Bro Eli’s teaching/program in the internet, but I cant take it at first, because of all the catholic doctrines I learned since childhood, it breaks my heart and truth really hurts, until God open my mind, eyes and heart and embraced Bro Eli’s teachings base on the scriptures. Just an unsolicited advise for Kay, continue visiting this weblog and watch our Church program in this link. http://untvweb.com/video/index.aspx. we in the church of God will pray to our God that your heart and other people who is searching for the truth be enlighten:
And a certain woman named Lydia heard us, a seller of purple of the city of Thyatira, who worshiped God; whose heart the Lord opened, so that she attended to the things which were spoken by Paul.
The Acts 16:14
To God be the Glory.
The Roman Catholic Church is definitely not the true church! This is evident in the RCC blatant violation of provisions and teachings in the bible as what Bro. Eli clearly presented. Their violations were not concealed in public and in fact many proven controversies and acts were written in their own publications and books from the pope down to the clergy. We know a lot of them… The recent is the $660,000,000.00 settlement made by Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony of the Archdiocese of LA- the USA’s largest Roman Catholic Archdiocese, to the hundreds of victims who were sexually abused by the members of the clergy!
How about the false teachings and catholic traditions and dogmas? Are they of God’s?
Isn’t the Roman Catholic Church is grossly defective?
Now, how can you claim that this church is the true church and there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church?
murderers are of the devil (JOHN 8:44)
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Roman Catholic Church murdered 300,000 persons burned at stake during the Inquisition (their Pope admits)
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they are the true Church (?????????????) FALSE
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they are of the devil (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) VERY TRUE
Oh no . . . Kay is “trying to save a sinking ship”. Lately, (for Kay’s information) the bishop of L.A. USA is apologizing due to a very shameful reason. Please read below why:
Leader of Los Angeles archdiocese apologizes to victims of sex abuse
Monday, July 16, 2007
By GILLIAN FLACCUS ~ The Associated Press
LOS ANGELES — Cardinal Roger Mahony, leader of the nation’s largest Roman Catholic archdiocese, apologized Sunday to the hundreds of people who will get a share of a $660 million settlement over allegations of clergy sex abuse.
“There really is no way to go back and give them that innocence that was taken from them. … The one thing I wish I could give the victims, I cannot,” he said.
“Once again, I apologize to anyone who has been offended, who has been abused. … It should not have happened and should not ever happen again.”
Mahony said he has met in the past 14 months with dozens of people alleging clergy abuse and that those meetings helped him understand the importance of a quick resolution to what he called a “terrible sin and crime.”
The settlement will not affect the archdiocese’s core ministry, Mahony said, but the church will have to sell buildings, use some of its invested funds and borrow money. The archdiocese will not sell any parish property, he said.
“We gather today because this long journey has now come to an end, and a new chapter of that journey is beginning,” Mahony told reporters.
The deal between the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles and more than 500 alleged victims of clergy sexual abuse reached late Saturday is by far the largest payout since the nationwide clergy abuse scandal emerged in 2002 in Boston.
The settlement also calls for the release of priests’ confidential personnel files after review by a judge. According to Tod Tamberg, spokesman for the archdiocese, the settlement had not required Mahony to make his public apology.
Earlier Sunday, Mahony presided over Mass at the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels in downtown Los Angeles without directly addressing the settlement. The service did include a prayer for victims of clergy abuse.
Mahony and all parties are expected before a Los Angeles Superior Court judge today to enter the settlement into the court record, attorneys said.
“I think for those of us who have been involved in this for more than five years, it’s a huge relief,” said Michael Hennigan, archdiocese attorney. “But it’s a disappointment, too, that we didn’t get it done much earlier than this.”
The deal settles all 508 cases that remained against the archdiocese, which also paid $60 million in December to settle 45 cases that weren’t covered by sexual abuse insurance.
Under the latest deal, the archdiocese will pay $250 million, insurance carriers will pay a combined $227 million and several religious orders will chip in $60 million. The remaining $123 million will come from litigation with religious orders that chose not to participate in the deal, with the archdiocese guaranteeing resolution of those 80 to 100 cases within five years, Hennigan said. The archdiocese is released from liability in those claims, Tamberg said.
Plaintiffs’ attorneys can expect to receive as much as 40 percent of the settlement money — or $264 million — for their work.
Standing outside the cathedral, Mary Grant, spokeswoman for Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests, said the settlement did not end suffering for the thousands of victims of clergy abuse.
“This is not over,” she said. “Church officials would like to think that this settlement means everything is OK. … But this is not a magic wand.”
The settlements push the total amount paid out by the U.S. church since 1950 to more than $2 billion, with about a quarter of that coming from the Los Angeles archdiocese. A judge must sign off on the agreement.
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Kay, I’ve been a catholic before. Please, please don’t get me wrong, catholics are dear to us/me, they’re my mothers, grandmothers, sisters, friends, relatives, neighbors, countrymen (who are still blinded/ locked in that belief) and we feel sorry for what is happening. And I feel terrible whenever my dear loved ones would angrily defend their pointless catholic faith amidst the exposure of erroneous actions / decisions of its leaders. Kay, if you could just open up or be objective on Bro. Eli’s side, I don’t think it would hurt at all. Please look around, don’t be deceived by the shiny white outfit of hypocrite priests who are robbing you your hard-earnings while commanding the catholic faithful not to give alms to street children who surprisingly are also catholics. imagine that… a very wealthy and influential catholic church having a cold-heart treatment towards poor defenseless street children
if you’re a Filipino, Kay, I hope you’d also find time reading “Liham ni Rizal sa Kadalagahan ng Malolos” (The Letter of Rizal to the Women of Malolos) by Dr. Jose Rizal who was also a victim of the Catholic Inquisition in the late 1800s
Bro Eli…I came across this quotation on the net….what do you have to say about this claim…
If Christians would really live according to the teachings of Christ, as found in the BIBLE, all of India would be Christian today.
-Mahatma Gandhi
-1869-1948, Indian Political, Spiritual Leader
thank you very much
AMEN!
Kay,
Most of the times truth hurts, but we must accept truth no matter how painful it is. Sometimes we have to get hurt for us to learn (not necessarily physically though) - welcome the pain my friend and learn from it. Just like a doctor giving some medication to an aching wound, it stings but it is meant for the betterment of the patient.
whoa! smack to the point.
i won’t wonder if there would still be catholics out there that would turn a blind eye on these expose and still think they’re with the right faith.
recently, i read somewhere that there is this $660M to 500 sexually abused victims by catholic priests and if my understanding is correct they really have an insurance policy for these kind of things. imagine that?!
btw, i am a catholic myself and not really in depth in bible reading like most of you but geez i don’t have to read the bible to understand that this catholic faith is now way from being a Christian. embracing a crucifix in front of national tv is not enough, the pope should come clean, be honest and tell everyone that the Roman Catholic Church is a man made religion and won’t take you to heaven. then he should point everyone to the right track by telling them to ask bro. eliseo soriano how to get to heaven.
thanks for this nice blog sight bro. eli.
To lovely,
You know, friend, you sounded just like me a year ago. And you know something? Your current state is actually the best place to start. Because I believe you will find what you’re looking for. In fact, you already did. Don’t give up.
I am with you Kay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My take on this issue: These guys need a history lesson. An accurate one from primary sources and not a bunch of revisionist nonsence……..
So brother when you quote primary sources– this means writtings from the people that were there—maybe I will read this bolg again.
There are and were evil Popes, Priests ect but there are an equal number evil pastors ect….. It is the nature of the human condition.
FYI—-the reformers killed in conservative estimates 10 times as many Catholics so……………………………….your point??????
Just my opinion, MAYBE IT IS BETTER TO SAY THAT IN CHURCH OF CHRIST OF MR. MANALO AND IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION!
………just a freedom of expression………
TO CATHOLIC FRIEND,
I THINK WE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR FALSE ANNALS OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH!
YOUR RECORDED HISTORY IS STILL A SUBJECT FOR SCROUTINY MY FRIEND.FOR ALL WE KNOW THE ROMAN AUTORITIES MIGHT HAVE ALTERED IT FOR THEIR OWN DARK INTERESTS.
POSSIBLE? VERY,VERY POSSIBLE!!!
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT ROMAN CAHTOLIC RELIES SO MUCH ON “THEIR” SO CALLED ANNALS WHEN IT COMES TO PROVING THE AUTHENTICITY OF THEIR CHURCH? OF COURSE THERE WERE BAD HISTORY RECORDED IN THEIR ANNALS TO MAKE IT APPEAR IMPARTIAL BUT THE TRUTH IS THE ANNALS WERE WRITTEN TO SUPPORT THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH BEC THEY KNOW THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE HOLY SCRIPTURES THEY CANT SUBSTANTIATE THEIR AUTHENICITY.
WHAT’S THE PROOF? ASK ANY AUTHORITIES IN THE VATICAN OR ANY AUTHORIZED APOLOGIST TO AUTHENTICATE THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IN FRONT OF ELI SORIANO USING THE HOLY SCRIPTURE AS THE SOLE BASIS THEN YOU WILL BE FAILING.
AND EXCUSE ME, THERE IS NO ONE SINGLE FOLLOWER OF CHRIST THAT WAS ADDRESSED AS CATHOLIC IN THE BIBLE? ALL OF THEM WERE CALLED CHRISTIANS!!!!
To Lovely (#
You said: “we are not perfect and wether we like it or not, the people running the churches or religion are also not perfect…
do you agree with this statement?
is it possible to be saved by faith alone?
i don’t attend mass or go to any congregation because i lost my faith on them…there are black propaganda everywhere…
what do you think is the reason why there are so many religion or churches formed in the philippines?
as a nation, we should be united…”
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I don’t agree!!!!
You must be aware that there is a warning given in the bible…
II Peter 2:1 - “But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. ”
Even false christ will come…
Matthew 24:4-5 - “And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man lead you astray. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ; and shall lead many astray.”
Matthew 24:24 - “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. ”
This the reason why there are plenty churches not just in the Philippines but also in the whole world.
If you have time, I suggest you attend our congregations. Be our guest! You will find out that God is teaching us thru Bro. Eli how to become perfect and how to live a clean life everyday, free from hatred.
May God help you in finding the truth!
I’ll say amen to this, I’ve sent it to all my friends and if they’re gonna be angry with me so be it, I stand for my faith. If I lose my friends for this article then thanks be to God. I’ll just hope that they won’t be blinded by their pride and be enlightened with all the truth that is in thios blog.
To all,
MGA WALANG UTANG NA LOOB! without us, you have no bible.
Without my forefathers’ will & dedications (Catholic church’ forefathers) , the gnostics and other christians group are now the rulers of this world!
Bad kayo lahat! We labored more abundantly than you all, and now you are proclaiming that we are nothing? How dare you!
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8 lovely,
1. You said, “we are not perfect and wether we like it or not, the people running the churches or religion are also not perfect…do you agree with this statement?”
We may be not be perfect now, but we CAN be perfect.
2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
You know, only those pastors and ministers who are ignorant of the bible will say,” NOBODY’S PERFECT”. But according to the bible, there were perfect people in the sight of God. To give you one:
Job 1:1 ¶There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
2. You asked, “is it possible to be saved by faith alone? ”
If you are going to ask this to born again pastors, they will READILY answer you, “YES!”. But at the same time, they will ask for your TEN PERCENT.
But according to the bible, there are things, which we should Add to our FAITH if we ought to be fruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 1:5 ¶And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
3. You said, “i don’t attend mass or go to any congregation because i lost my faith on them…there are black propaganda everywhere…”
You can always follow what the apostle John admonished christians. Try every spirit wheter they are of God.
1 John 4:1 ¶Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Ask them concerning the law.
Haggai 2:11 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ask now the priests concerning the law, saying,
I would just suggest that in doing this, don’t look too far. You can always click on that link above, ‘ASK BRO. ELI’. I am sure, Bro. Eli will be most glad to answer ALL your inquiries about the religion in the bible.
4. You asked, “what do you think is the reason why there are so many religion or churches formed in the philippines?”
MONEY! Not only here in the Philippines but all over the world.
Isaiah 56:11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
These pastors and ministers, who are sheperds that cannot understand, are likened unto GREEDY DOGS, serving their BELLY, than God, the Creator.
Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
They may profess that they know God, but their works deny them.
Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Also transforming themselves as ministers of righteousness, like their father, the devil himself transformed into an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
4. You said, “as a nation, we should be united…”
I believe, it depends on what we as a nation should be united upon. If we are going to unite on something good, then this should be fine. Like the people of God in the bible, though they are many, they are one body.
1 Corinthians 12:12 ¶For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
But if it’s otherwise, I think not. Because, you see, there are countries in the world today, and even then, who are united as a nation to become communists. One superpower often refers to it as an ‘AXIS OF EVIL’. Germany was one, when Hitler led that nation in conquering territories and killing millions (I believe) of people on their path in pursuing a new world order.
But one thing is for sure in this PRESENT world, as long as there are GOOD PEOPLE, there will always be BAD PEOPLE also, just lurking around the corner, waiting for their prey.
Hey, listen to yourself. You sounded like we are talking about the government here. So what if this party killed as much sa this one? C’mon man. Don’t you even feel that something is wrong here? This is God’s Church we are talking about, it is perfect, otherwise everyone will end up in heaven as far as they (catholics) are concerned and that will be anything but heaven. The most obvious reasons that these religion(s) are not true? They kill and sexually assault each other. If your priest starts defending these “crimes” or starts telling you nice & inspiring stories that makes you feel warm & fluffy inside to make you keep the “faith”; I will advice you to start thinking and asking if this religion is founded by humans or God. Reading your post again, I think you already found that out.
God will not leave us by ourselves, confused as we are surrounded by thousands of different faith claiming to be true Christians. Don’t look for what looks nice & sounds good, look for the TRUTH. If there would be only two religions in this world & one is killing the other, and the other doesn’t retaliate, i’ll stick to the one following God’s commandment.
There’s more where it came from…
To God be the Glory!!!
to a catholic lover,
peace be to you guys. open the eyes of your heart. and God will guide you on your journey to know the truth.
dsr
Thank you Lord … you made another instrument..bringing your righteousness to the world..!
Thank you God for brod eli’s blog..!
#25 Catholic
So sa inyo kami may utang na loob dahil kayo naghirap sa bible? Isipin mo muna sana sinasabi mo bago ka magsalita. Kanino ba ang bible diba aklat ito ng Panginoon. Nagyon kanino tayo may utang na loob? Pinaghirapan ito ng mga taong itinalaga ng Panginoon noong unang panahon pa at kung gagamitin natin ito sa di tamang paraan hindi ito ang pagtanaw ng utang na loob sa Dios. Gamitin natin sana sa tamang paraan kung sinasabi ng salita ng Dios na mali tayo tanggapin natin na mali tayo at imbis na maghimutok tayo at ipagpilitan nating tama tayo na hindi naman ay tumanaw tayo ng utang na loob sa Dios sa pamamagitan ng pagsunod sa utos niya at magpasalamat ka at nalaman mo ang katotohanan. magalit ka sa mali at huwag sa tama.
25 Catholic
1. You said, “MGA WALANG UTANG NA LOOB! without us, you have no bible. ”
HAAAAA? Do you ever have an idea what you are talking about?
The word “Bible” comes from the Greek word “Biblios” which means a Library or Collection of Books. The Bible is not a book written by one person, but a compilation of a number of “books” written at different times over many centuries by different people.
a. Were there catholics already in the time of Moses when the first 5 books were written?
b. Does the bible contain the words of catholics? Your doctrines are even in contrary to it.
2. You said, “Without my forefathers’ will & dedications (Catholic church’ forefathers) , the gnostics and other christians group are now the rulers of this world!”
RULERS OF THIS WORLD? This just proves your ignorance of the bible.
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Yes, you really are the rulers of this world now. Because, the god of this world had blinded your minds.
But us:
Philippians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
3. Bad kayo lahat! We labored more abundantly than you all, and now you are proclaiming that we are nothing? How dare you!
Ha? Sinong mabait? Ang Katolisismo?
1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Yes, your church forefathers labored abundantly in building a factory of:
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
The bible did proclaim this:
Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
If you’ll come to understand the things in the bible, you’ll also dare yourself.
to catholic:
on what verses can you find that bible came from Catholic? pls site it!
Catholic,
Dont’ be carried away by your emotions. Bro. Eli is not talking nonsense in here. His talking about Biblical facts.
You said:
To all,
MGA WALANG UTANG NA LOOB! without us, you have no bible.
Without my forefathers’ will & dedications (Catholic church’ forefathers) , the gnostics and other christians group are now the rulers of this world!
Bad kayo lahat! We labored more abundantly than you all, and now you are proclaiming that we are nothing? How dare you!
First of all, you don’t own the Bible. Even without all of you, the Bible will exist. The Bible existed first before Catholism.It’s not your forefateher’s will and dedications why the gnostics and other christian groups are now the rulers of the world. IN FACT, CHRISTIANS, now and even in the past, were maltrited, persecuted, and experience a lot of tribulations because of the works of false religions just like Catholicism.
Are you saying that your forefathers are even mightier than God? Can’t you accept that you, me, each and everyone are nothing aginst the mighty hands of God?
How come you’re claiming that without you we don’t have the Bible when you don’t even understand it? How come all of your teachings are against the teachings of the Bible?
Gusto mo ba tumanaw kami ng utang na loob sa inyo? Sumpain ang taong sa tao’y maglagak! IISA LANG ANG PINAGKAKAUTANGAN NATIN NG LOOB, AT YUN AY WALANG IBA KUNDI ANG DIOS!
IKAW ANG WALANG UTANG NA LOOB.
MAGPASALAMAT KA SA DIOS, DAHIL SA KANYA, MAY BIBLIA. AT MAGAPASALAMAT KA SA KANYA, MAY BUHAY KA PA. HE’S STILL GIVING YOU A CHANCE TO REPENT.
Now I believe I’M VERY LUCKY, BECAUSE ASIDE FROM HAVING THE BIBLE, I GOT THE CHANCE TO UNDERTSAND IT THROUGH BRO. ELI, AND I HAVE THE GOD WHO IS TRUE AND THE GOD WHOM OTHER PEOPLE STILL HAVEN’T KNOWN!!! SALAMAT SA DIOS, NAKAWALA AKO SA KATOLISISMO, SALAMAT SA DIOS SA LAHAT NG KALOOB NA HINDI MASAYOD.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH…NAKAKAIYAK….ANG SARAP NG FEELING!!!
Oh boy Oh boy,
You know the feeling when you see a ’sinking ship’, and you love the people inside: some of them JUMPED to another ship to save their life,… BUT SOME are saying “Look, this ship is has still some parts which ‘looks’ elegant. I’m staying here.”
Look, in any way, perspective, angle, view you look at it (history, doctrine, background, leaders, acts, deeds, reality): The Roman catholic church is NOT (*in any way) the church built by Christ.
If you prefer STILL to stay there when you already are hearing and reading Bro. Eli’s teachings, then what can we say. Our advice is to continue listening and reading Bro. Eli’s teachings.
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Revelations 18:2
“And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird!”
I was so overwhelmed by this article….waiting for the next…I’m very excited!!!
AMEN.!
I definitely agree that RCC is not true chuch of God.
THanks to God for this wonderful post.
AND TO MISS KAY:I HOPE THAT YOU NOW UNDESTAND…….GOD bless you.!
Catholc church not really of God!!! their doctrines,practices and even lifestyle are not biblical!!! direct opposite on what bible tells!!!
To all catholics, pls, open your eyes and seek for the truth,dont let your souls be lead by false preachers!!!!
we must be biblical and listen on what Bro Eli tells!!!!
Bro Eli, more catholic and even none catholics need you!! Pls continue for this battle for the Glory of God and for humanity salvation’s sake!!!
May the good health be w/ you always!!!
To God be the Glory!!!
God sent his son Jesus Christ to be the leader of the church of God. The Roman Catholic Church only claim that they are worshipping christ in the cross. THe true christ is in the heaven, raised up from the dead. You dont need to use the symbols of crusifix, that is a pure IDOLATRY!!! which is forbidden by God in the bible. To god be the Glory! Peace.
Sometimes, it is really very hard to accept the TRUTH, all the more, once you found out that what you’re doing is in contrary with the real TRUTH. But always bear in mind that there is always Almighty GOD that will help us in searching for the real truth. That’s a promise, search, you will find, knock and will be open.
TO ALL ADD,
Wake up sleepy lazy goats! WE LABORED MORE ABUNDANTLY THAN ANY OF YOU! All of you (All the Churches) are like MUshrooms.
WE compiled all those scriptures and disregard those spurios manuscripts having mystical ideas. And that is the BIBLE of today, the one that you used in disregarding us. YOU OWED A LOT FROM US!
Our Church forefather’s wrote LOng Treatises condeming the Gnostics and their teachings. And they are succesful in destroying those writings. OUr bishops burned those heretical books and exiled those heretics.
Where are you during those time?
How dare you talked ILL of Us! You have no right! YOu are all nothing but a second grade …… _ _ _ _ _ _ _!
FYI—-the reformers killed in conservative estimates 10 times as many Catholics so……………………………….your point??????
sorry we are not reformers, catholic is one of the reformers of the true christian doctrine. while they are reforming christian doctrine, they also misleading people. for example, the bible states that when you pray, you shall not use vain repetitions:
At sa pananalangin ninyo ay huwag ninyong gamitin ang walang kabuluhang paulitulit, na gaya ng ginagawa ng mga Gentil: sapagka’t iniisip nilang dahil sa kanilang maraming kasasalita ay didinggin sila.
Mateo 6:7
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Matthew 6:7
King James Version
And when you are praying, speak not much, as the heathens. For they think that in their much speaking they may be heard.
Matthew 6:7
Douay-Rheims Version
the catholics then reformed a prayer contrary to what the bible states, they taught a “prayer” called rosary that uses/speaks repetitions even then might turn your knees to bleed (if you are praying the rosary while kneeling) because it will take you a long time before you get to finish. another heathen doctrine here in Philippine catholic is the “litania”… now will you again say that we are reformers? nope 100%. we never reform the doctrines of Christ originally written even in your official bible versions. dumura kayo sa langit sa mukha nio rin bumagsak.
>>>what? the catholic church is the true church according to history 0_o? hahaha. catholicism is against/contrary to the bible. that’s 100 % true. but catholic is the true church of God, never. look:
http://catholicvsthebible.blogspot.com/
we’ll, the catholic authority attacked dan brown (author of the da vinci code) because they said that dan brown told lies about Jesus in that certain book. but mind you people, the catholic was the first (after the apostle time) gigantic church that told lies against Jesus, including Christ’s hair.
it’s not finished yet, i will post more “catholic vs the bible” God willing in the future.
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25 Catholic
To all,
MGA WALANG UTANG NA LOOB! without us, you have no bible.
excuse me? without you? mind you, it was the apostles, evangelists, prophets etc… who wrote the bible, it’s not you. claiming, allegations, no basis. sigh. without those people (not including you), we dont have our bible. but mind you, ang halay sabihin na without us, you have no bible. you know why? God is the real One and only cause why we have our bible not you. fool.
Without my forefathers’ will & dedications (Catholic church’ forefathers) , the gnostics and other christians group are now the rulers of this world!
Bad kayo lahat! We labored more abundantly than you all, and now you are proclaiming that we are nothing? How dare you!
what? did somebody said that you are nothing? who? paste mo nga dito kung saan un and kung sino nag post nun. liar.
now about that We labored more abundantly than you all,, laboring much isnt the basis of the true church, remember what the apostle Peter said?
Kaya nga, mga minamahal, yamang nalalaman na ninyo nang una ang mga bagay na ito, ay magsipagingat kayo, baka kung mangaligaw kayo sa pamamagitan ng kamalian ng masasama, ay mangahulog kayo sa inyong sariling katiyagaan.
II Pedro 3:17
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.
II Peter 3:1 KJV
You therefore, brethren, knowing these things before, take heed, lest being led aside by the error of the unwise, you fall from your own steadfastness.
II Peter 3:17 DRV
this is the very thing Christ also said:
Datapuwa’t walang kabuluhan ang pagsamba nila sa akin, Na nagtuturo ng kanilang pinakaaral ng mga utos ng mga tao.
Marcos 7:7
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mark 7:7 KJV
And in vain do they worship me, teaching doctrines and precepts of men.
Mark 7:7 DRV
careful on that you are saying, one misleading doctrine can lead millions to damnations. saint Paul said if somebody teaches a different gospel, CURSE HIM!!!
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:8
now about what this guy said:
Without my forefathers’ will & dedications (Catholic church’ forefathers) , the gnostics and other christians group are now the rulers of this world!
it is just the same, catholicism rules the world, leading people to mislead/invented/abomination beliefs, if these gnostic and/or other “christian” groups rules the world, they are practicing their doctrine, serve them to damnation. so we don’t owe the catholic if they “prevented” these other “christian” groups and gnostic to rule the world because they are both in a mislead church.
NOW, WHO IS THE REAL “BAD KAYONG LAHAT”? A group of people that never reformed what was written in the bible, or a church “ruling the world” but has 95 - 100 % invented doctrines which are just percepts of men? CURSE BE TO THOSE WHO TEACH UNBIBLICAL DOCTRINES MISLEADING PEOPLE.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Colossians 2:8
King James Version
There are so many reasons to prove that the Roman Catholic and the Iglesia ni Cristo ni Manalo are not the true church of God as bro Eli mentioned here, and the examples that he cited are just few of them, but still there’s a lot, lot more, I may say all of their doctrines which are unbiblical. That’s the reason why I withdrew myself from being a Catholic for almost 38 years of my life that I’ve wasted. I’m so very thankful to God that I found the true religion of God, (through the most sensible preacher ever! bro Eli Soriano), the Church of God (I Tim 3:15) To God be the Glory!!!
To Catholic:
You said: WALANG UTANG NA LOOB? without catholic you have no bible?
What a shame! Do you mean tha only the catholic wrote or distributed the bible? Your statement shows that you are very ignorant on how the bible were compiled and how it was written as it is now. IT IS NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH who wrote the bible!. They were written by prophets of God and the apostles, and then written in stones and scrolls. These were then discovered by archaeologist and then translated…It is a fallacy that if Catholic church did not exist, the bible will not be present.
It is God’s will that his words be written for generation to come:
Psalms 102:18 “This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD.”
So even though the RCC authorities took part most in the compilation of the bible, absolutely you cannot claim that they should get credited for it. It is absolutely GOD who finds a way to make it know to us, by using different instruments.
Also, did you know that the catholic church burned copies of the bible which are handwritten translation by William Tyndale, who translated the bible to English? This was BURNED by catholic authorities! Go ‘Google it’ for yourself..
OPEN YOUR MIND! how can you claim that such church is the true church when they have a DARK history of BURNING PEOPLE at stake? 68 million people died because of the Catholic inquisitions!!! CAN YOU ERASE THAT ON HISTORY??
INQUISITION FYI is the most notorious torture a man can experience and think!!!…to give you an example aside from burning alive people.. tying both arms and legs and then pulling them apart by a machine!… opening belly with a knife and pulling away your internal organs then showing it in your face!.. hallowing stomach by rats!…these and more painful experience a man can think!…
If you are on your right mind, will you accept that RCC have a conscience came from God? Christ commanded to LOVE YOUR ENEMY, NOT KILL YOUR ENEMY!.. CHRISTIANS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE BEING KILLED NOT THE ONE WHO ARE EXECUTING THE KILLINGS!… And if you are in your proper sense… IT IS THE ROMANS WHO KILLED CHRIST!..so why are you calling yourself ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH? Are you a ROMAN? Then,,,you are part of those group in the bible who persecuted the early Christian church and execute Christ by death penalty on nailing!
You may think that past is past…and they have admitted their mistakes…BUT is the true church in the bible commit mistakes since the time of Christ? (I mean the CHURCH or the organization, and not individual people)…
READ:
Ephesians 5: 27 “That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.”
See? The church must be presented as a GLORIOUS CHURCH!, NOT HAVING A SPOT OR WRINKLE, OR ANY SUCH THING!
Now is the RCC a glorious CHURCH? NOT HAVING A SPOT OR WRINKE?HOW ABOUT HOLY? CAN YOU CALL SUCH KILLINGS HOLY? The answer is a BIG NO!!!.. They have, not only a SPOT, but a LARGE stain that cannot be ERASED.
May God enlighten your hearts and may you find truth as we did when we believe that what Bro. Eli is preaching is the TRUTH came directly from the bible, made known by GOD.
Because it is GOD who said..Daniel 12:10
“Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.”
NONE OF THE WICKED SHALL UNDEDSTAND; BUT THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND. If Bro Eli is wicked and BAD as you said (you said “BAD KAYONG LAHAT”..which includes Bro Eli, of course), then why can he explains all of these? Why cant the RCC don’t have a program called “Itanong Mo kay father, Biblia ang sasagot” (Ask father, the bible will answer) But only Bro Eli has the guts and the ability to answer every questions ask by man and the answer comes directly from the Bible, not from his own understanding…More so..watch Bro Eli’s debate with catholic church defense authorities in the Philippines and see it for yourself how, even they, cant defend that your church is the true church..e pano ka pa? your just a member.
To God be the Glory…
I hope and pray one of my relatives and friends may have read this issue, this issue rules!!!… I guess, people now know the truth except if only they minds are open enough to accept…
to you Catholic,
It’s not those catholic members whom we are apt against but of your leaders. Claiming without them there is no bible!! How foolish you catholic leaders, you had all the chances given to you ( by our God ) of knowing and understanding the teachings of God thru Christ Jesus until these days but all’s gone unto waste. Why, because until now they don’t even understand the elementary teachings of Jesus Christ. I cant find a single teaching of God that they (Catholic leaders ) followed. Catholics against Catholics
fights one another, accuses and kills one another,despises one another, etc. Are we indebpted ?? No, you can ask youself. If you really want the truth,ask God and you will find it. Be fair with yourself, just be honest and you will find salvation. Ang kaligtasan ay hindi kayang bilhin ng kahit sino mang makapangyarihan o mayamang tao sa buhay na ito,kahit sa iyo pa ang mundo at ipalit ito para sa iyong kaligtasan. Salvation is free you just have to work for it.
Mag suri ka, ipanalangin mo sa Dios na buksan ang iyong isip na makaunawa. Sayang kasi ang” Buhay na Walang Hanggan” dapat na makita mo Ang Dating Daan at lumakad ka doon upang magkaroon ng kapahingahan ang iyong kaluluwa.
To Catholic:
The bible will exist even without your “catholic forefathers” (who actually ruined it)
God permitted it to be written for his true children and for people who wants the word of God.
Utang na loob? may be not….we owe nothing to your false religion…we owe everything to our God alone.
To God be the Glory!!!
To Allan francis manahan Carino
I’ve watched the documentary of that case here in Calgary Alberta..and wow!!! who would want to claim that Catholicism is the true religion…It would bring SHAME to all Catholics…even to the pope himself…It was even a wake up call for all the Catholics themselves that truly they are not in the right church for the truth doesn’t dwell on the evil things.
To Catholic
I can’t blame you if you feel that way. Most of us here also were like you before. We’re from RCC also, but thank God our eyes were opened and learned the truth thru Bro. Eli.
Don’t just shout, you must study, so you will learn if Bro. Eli is telling the truth or not. If he’s of God or not.
Correction the bible is not written for the RCC only, like what you are claiming. It’s for everyone who wants to learn God’s way. I know you haven’t find it yet, well you should start now looking for it. And I promise you will lose nothing but you will gain life.
Always remember…
Proverbs 12:15 - “The way of a fool seems right to him, but a wise man listens to advice.”
To Kay And Catholic Friend,
Why do Catholics do not excommunicate members who are Murderers, Drug Lords, Adulterers, Drunkards, etc?
Why do your Catholic Priests accept financial donations coming from Casinos and other gambling groups?
Why does your church consent almost all kinds of vices and corruptions?
Have you ever thought about these things?
Very well explained. Incomparable wisdom coming from God. To God be the Glory, forever…
WHEW! What a mouth full! Wow! Just only a couple of days of Bro. ELi’s blog and comments are flowing!
I was going to answer Kay and Catholic friend, but i guess the others did the job. Enough has been said
The way I analyze these catholic friends of ours contesting Bro. Eli, they’re experiencing a phenomenon called “A.H.M.”
A.H.M. - Absolute Hoodwink Mentality
(look up your dictionary guys! hahaha!)
It’s no suprise! Why?
Ro 1:25
“Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.”
Ro 1:22
“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools”
THAT’S WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU WORSHIP IDOLS!
YOU DON’T GET!
AAANNDD
WON’T GET IT!
EVER!
(Daniel 12:10)
Get it???
MORE POWER ESORIANO.WORDPRESS!!!
To Catholic
You wake up!!! You don’t know your history. you cannot prove what you are saying! you are claiming that the bible came from you catholics. oh cmon! prove it then that you really understand what was written on your bible.
Take this verse as an example then prove it to me if you catholics deserve the bible you are claiming.
Leviticus 26:1
Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
can you really say that you are not kneeling and bowing down before idols which was a graven image made by hands of men?
If you say you are not doing that, how about the priest who presides the whole mass?
isn’t it stupidity? you bought these images, relics then carried it to your house. make them a place for these idols and then worship it?
even worst, the seller who happens to be a catholic, they pray also before those images that they sell!!!!!
WAKE UP!!!! READ you so called catholic bible!
I encourage you to read Isaiah 44:9-20. read it again and again. moreso, read the whole bible you claim that it came from yours. you will not find that Saint Peter really went to Rome but Saint Paul did.
If you still claim Peter did went to Rome, then prove it according to the bible that you were claiming!
And we will prove that the bible is not meant for the catholics.
claiming is one thing but proving is another.
hey catholic,
we are speaking of matters of salvation,and not of compilations.. open your eyes,seek for the truth in the bible.
salvation is depend upon obeying the law of god in scriptures,and not the one whom compiled it..
To Catholic (#42)
I know how you feel… AYAW UMAMIN NA MALI KAHIT NASA HARAP NA NG ILONG MO ANG MGA EVIDENCES. Of course, you will fight for your faith, because you were born having that faith.
Is that all you can do, curse us because we’re telling you the truth?
Do you think what we’re doing is for us? It’s for your ownsake, we’re telling you the truth because we care for your soul.
Bro. Eli has sincere caring for your soul and to all out there searching the truth. He teaches the bible with all honesty and we are the witnesses. All you have to do is listen and open your heart and God will do the rest!
there is a lot of people reading this blog. or better yet, a lot of brethren posting there comments. How come there is only 16 Diggs??? I don’t think this reflects the truth. so I encourage you brethren… please DIGG!!!!
to catholic,
i pity you… i hope you find the Light. wag ka na maniwala sa mga matatandang katoliko na nakilala mo that they’re saying, “kung saan ka nadapa dun ka na lang. they also keep saying they’ll die a catholic. i hope you become a true christian… we are nothing without our Christ, our Saviour..
i hope mabuksan ang puso mo sa katotohanan. …
Reply to your post # 42.
Catholic,
You are taking too much credit for your religion in compiling the bible - well, you forgot about the one who wrote those books and mostly the ONE who inspired these writers to inked these books - we owe it to HIM. If ever your-so-called forefathers did not compiled it - probably others will. So it is not something that you have to boast for.
Well it’s not only books that your forefathers burned long time ago, even people who are not accepting your church’s doctrines. Heretics as what your forefathers call them were burned alive with their books. Is it written on the bible that you-seems-to-own? Is it a commandment from your god?
Granting without conceding that we should be thanful to your forefathers for compiling the bible, does it make them above the commandments written on it which states “LOVE YOUR ENEMY”? Is loving them includes burning them alive?
Why is it that the church whom you are giving credit for the bible is blatantly disobeying commandments written in it?
Are you proud for that?
You said that religion nowadays pop up just like mushrooms - well, the church that I am a member of came even before catholism. It is the church whom the Father built in the Rock which is Christ. How? Through the Gospel and through the pronouncement of St. Paul in Eph 3:6
That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
That body is the Church headed by Christ Col 1:8
Granting without conceding that your religion came before any religion established by man - does it make your religion true? Tell me what’s the indication of true religion?
I will pause for a reply.
42 Catholic
1. You said, “Wake up sleepy lazy goats! WE LABORED MORE ABUNDANTLY THAN ANY OF YOU! All of you (All the Churches) are like MUshrooms. ”
a1. Paul wrote the book of 1 Thessalonians to THE CHURCH WHICH IS IN GOD THE FATHER AND IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
1 Thessalonians 1:1 ¶Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
a2. According to him, who are really sleeping?
1 Thessalonians 5:6 ¶Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
…OTHERS! Including RCC. Not the church of God in Christ Jesus.
b1. How about lazy goats?
According to Matthew 25:41-46, these are those who give no meat, no drink, no clothes, and did not visit one of the least of Jesus’ brethren.
Look at RCC members begging for food in the streets, having no food to eat, no water to drink, and those suffering in beds of illness, and in prison cells. And these RCCs say that they are of God.
b2. Yes you laboured more abundantly in building a factory of adulteres, fornicators, murderers, idolaters, etc… (gal 5:19-21).
c. Mushrooms? Certainly no the Church of God. Study your history again. Just when did your group sprouted out? Didn’t you have antipopes who ruled over you for you to cite continuity?
2. You said, “WE compiled all those scriptures and disregard those spurios manuscripts having mystical ideas. And that is the BIBLE of today, the one that you used in disregarding us. YOU OWED A LOT FROM US! ”
So what? Are all those scriptures yours? Were there catholics already during the time of Moses when the first 5 books were written?
You are so proud in doing that when you do not even understand the contents of the bible.
3. You said, “Our Church forefather’s wrote LOng Treatises condeming the Gnostics and their teachings. And they are succesful in destroying those writings. OUr bishops burned those heretical books and exiled those heretics.”
Yes, not only that. They also burned and killed those who did not believe in your killer forefathers (john 8:44)
4. You asked, “Where are you during those time? ”
We are very grateful to God that we were not there when you burned and killed all those people.
5. You said, “How dare you talked ILL of Us! You have no right! YOu are all nothing but a second grade …… _ _ _ _ _ _ _!”
Oh yes, we have! The bible gives us the authority to question you. You project that you subject yourselves under God’s word but it just does not reign in you.
I suggest that the next time you make arguments, PRESENT biblical verses. And not just baseless cowardice.
I also suggest that you watch how your cohort, Mr Froilan Garza of the St. Peter’s Men’s Society, HOPELESSLY defended your church in this site:
http://theoldpath.tv/videos.aspx#top
Notice that he only mentioned one verse in the entire debate. But you, not even one.
Excuse me? pwede ko bang itanong kung bakit hindi napo-post yung mesg ko? Ang haba pa naman nun…
This is the 2nd time na hindi na-post yung mga tinayp ko. Is there any filtering or something?
Sayang mga sinabi ko kay tumbok at catholic.
I am supposed to be #29 in this post.
Anyways. SsD pa rin… Sana ito ma-post na. tinatamad tuloy ako mag-comment.
To You Catholic,
Your reign here on earth is too long a time already. Claiming to be followers of Christ, I just can’t believe !!! I was once a catholic,my life with this religion was so unfortunate I was so frightened to die and there were lots of questions about life and human existence,as to why live then die and endless worries I was then in real hunger of finding the truth. Then one day I found myself in front of an ordinary looking person by the name of BRO. ELI SORIANO.
After four years I became a member sa AWA ng DIOS sa akin. Masyado na palang mahaba ang aking pagsusuri!!
Kaya sa ngayon I have no more worries. Salamat sa Dios sa pangalan ng Panginoong Hesukristo na aming Tagapagligtas.
To all ADD:
Wake up! foolish son!
All the mushroom churches of today came from us…… from Catholic Church.
Without us, you will not be here.
Without us, those heretics will be the rulers of today.
We did everthing to destroy them and their teachings to the point of Killing them all, just to preserve the teachings of our leader- that man who guided us from the very start in Antioch.
We did it for the sake of the teachings of our leader,that’s the right thing to do. If it means burning them at stake it’s OK! Our Goal is to preserve the writings & aims of our leader . You should appreciate what we did and not condemn us.
WE did it for the sake of Love for our leader, BEFORE GOD WE DO NOT LIE!
Can you blame us? We only imitate our leader!
OUr leader is domineering ( I cor. 11:16)
OUr leader is extremely vindictive individual (Galatian 5:12)
Our leader is covetous, jealous and even practiced deceit.
Catholic church is the mother, and all of you are only sons (branches.) But you became very disobedient that you even condemned your own mother who labored abundantly for the sake of our leader, you even quarell with your own brother and vice versa. We must stand together and not divided.
Come back prodigal son and let us join together against their forces.
Glory be to our leader!
to catholic,
Whew!! grabe!! You guys( catholicS) have guts to say that because of your forefather …
you says: ( MGA WALANG UTANG NA LOOB! without us, you have no bible.)
hellooooo…. you didnt even know what is inside the bible, and lakas ng loob nyo sabihin yan.for centuries and untill now RCC members is still ignorant in the scriptures. proving that the bible is not meant for catholics, idolaters, murderers etc…. PARA LANG ITO SA NATATAKOT SA DIOS AT GUSTONG MALIGTAS!! (MALACHI 3:16) WAKE UP!!! READ YOUR BIBLE!!!HABANG ME PAGKAKATAON KA PA.
THANKS GOD BECAUSE OF BRO ELI!!!TO GOD BE THE GLORY FOREVER!!!!!
To Kaye and Catholic Friend (especially for you),
If you’re truly a christian and you follow what Christ and the Bible teaches, you will not do all of those things (evil). So do not compare true christians with those pastors (claiming to be of Christ) that you’re mentioning.
SsD
To God be the glory!!!
# 45
Francish: Now is the RCC a glorious CHURCH? NOT HAVING A SPOT OR WRINKE?HOW ABOUT HOLY? CAN YOU CALL SUCH KILLINGS HOLY? The answer is a BIG NO!!!.. how can you claim that such church is the true church when they have a DARK history of BURNING PEOPLE at stake? 68 million people died because of the Catholic inquisitions!!!
REPLY: Read: “………But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then YOU SHALL BESEIGE IT, AND WHEN THE LORD YOUR GOD GIVES IT INTO YOUR HAND YOU SHALL PUT ALL ITS MALES TO SWORD, BUT THE WOMEN AND THE LITTLE ONES, THE CATTLE, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE CITY ALL ITS SPOIL, YOU SHALL TAKE AS BOOTY FOR YOURSELVES, AND YOU SHALL ENJOY THE SPOIL OF YOUR ENEMIES, WHICH THE LORD HAS GIVEN YOU. THUS YOU WILL SHALL DO TO ALL THE CITIES WHICH ARE VERY FAR FROM YOU, WHICH ARE NOT CITIES OF THE NATIONS HERE. (Deut. 20: 10-15)
So, what’s your problem, If we did the same?
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# 54
Member: can you really say that you are not kneeling and bowing down before idols which was a graven image made by hands of men?isn’t it stupidity? you bought these images, relics then carried it to your house. make them a place for these idols and then worship it?even worst, the seller who happens to be a catholic, they pray also before those images that they sell!!!!!
REPLY: READ: “And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them ( Exodus 25:18).
God commanded them to make two cherubim of Gold, made by hands of men.
If we did the same, what’s your problem?
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to Catholic,
Is Exodus 25:18 your ultimate proof to justify catholic’s bowing and kneeling before idols, and to the extreme that you worship them? How foolish to use that verse as the basis of your faith about worshiping graven images. Why? Because those cherubims are made not to be worshiped but a mere decoration. And here comes catholics, make their own version of images and worship them.
Please review the comments here made by other posters. They gave so many verses from the Bible that God forbids man to worship idols. The verses they gave outweighs the verse from Exodus that you gave.
To our Sister and Brother Catholic,
We in the Church of God International love you. And we are praying hard for you that one day you will come out of darkness and into light. We want you to saved as we, hopefully with His mercy, will be saved. I earnestly request you to continue reading the blogs of our Bro. Eli and hearing his preaching in the TV and in the internet. By so doing, you may find the true way to salvation.
Read the Bible and understand it. If you have any questions or things you want clarified, don’t hesitate to consult Bro. Eli for the answers. He will very glad be of service to you. Read it from cover to cover and for sure you will come across of the things commanded by God which are being violated by the catholic church, like the graven images which is abominable to Him, the repetitious prayers, etc. Your catholic bible, as some say, is more complete as it is composed of more books–but the additional is insignificant and are not necessary to be there as they are not included in the original copy of the Bible.
My advice to you is to pay special attention to the verses cited above by the earlier commentators, and also that news item where the catholic church is going to pay $660M for the evil deeds commited by some of your priests. What kind of clergies are those? Are they of God or of satan? Of course they are of satan! It’s too bad–shocking and alarming!
I pray to God that He touches your heart and reforms you. That you may find the right way. May He pour upon you His love and abundant grace.
catholic,
Did God told the Israelites to worship or kneel down to those cherubims that God “commanded” for them to make??? And didn’t you noticed in the first verse that you supplied the part “but the WOMEN and the little ones”???
My brother, I prayed to God to open your eyes. I was a catholic before like you and to be honest when I first heard Brother Eli on the television, I did’nt believe everything he says at first. But I know deep in my heart on that very moment, that this man is different from other preachers I’ve seen because everything he says or whenever he answers questions regarding the scriptures he always answers from the bible. And I thank God for him because now I learn to read the Bible and I owe it to GOD not to the Roman Catholics!!!!
To GOD be the glory!!!!
So my unsolicited advice to you…magtanong ka na lang. Just ask Brother Eli.
Tan ta ra ran ta ra ran tan tan….
Mr. Soriano,
First off I would like to express my appreciation for your reply. Not all bloggers are obliged to read and react to commenters to their post, and your effort is indeed graciousness.
In respect for your reply, I give my reactions to some of your comments. As you yourself concede, we cannot discuss everything in a post but let me stick to what is most relevant for the topic at hand.
I am happy to say that we are of agreement that it is of primary importance to be sure that one’s faith and church bear truth; and yes, we are called to test everything and hold on to the good. It is for this very reason too, I am certain, that the Pope has the “nerve” (I say backbone!) to publish these documents. An individual is free to interpret Pope Benedict’s words negatively, maybe as narcisstic power tripping or even moralistic lashing, but I choose to see it as the humble but determined execution of the church’s responsibility to preserve the truth by clearly defining the line of orthodoxy as guidance for her faithful. Indeed, it is not a priviledge but a responsibility to declare truth, as am sure you yourself believe, for all who built upon the foundation of Christ would be made accountable come the end of time (1 Corinthians 3:12-15). As open-minded people I hope you or your readers would at least concede his good intentions, if not his teachings, as in our extremely secular times there is indeed room for “tough love.”
As for your comments, you said:
Dominus Iesus states that other churches (out of the Catholic Church) are not true churches, but merely ecclesiastical communities and therefore did not have the “means of salvation”…..If this does not mean that you are judging all churches outside of your alleged true church, is this camouflaged hypocrisy?
I have perused Dominus Iesus and have not found any line where where it said that other churches did NOT have the “means of salvation.” On the contrary, the following statements were made in humble recognition of salvation by God’s grace alone:
“Therefore, these separated Churches and communities as such, though we believe they suffer from defects, have BY NO MEANS been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the spirit of Christ has NOT refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”
In fact it even goes so far to say of non-Christians that God may bestow salvific grace “in ways known to Himself”.”
The document is here http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html for your reader’s verification. But it is to be noted that the exact phrase you stated is not there, you may have simply misread the document. This inaccurate mirror of papal documents is my initial grievance with your post if you would kindly remember.
As for the assertion of camouflaged hypocrisy, allow me to take this opportunity to clarify the Catholic position as best as I understand it. I hope I did not give anyone here the impression that by criticizing your “judge not” post, I am conceeding that she is of less truth than others. In fact, the words “defective” and “mere ecclesial communities” that you have found so offensive as applied to other Christian faiths are not to belittle other faiths but to assert that the fullness of the deposit of faith is in the Catholic Church. She honors Scripture, Sacred Tradition and Magisterium, as rightly so (but thats another debate). The Church