I am giving way to a response posted by a certain Kay for my article entitled “Are Other Christian Not True Churches?”.
I appreciate the responses to my comment and the spirit of Christian correction in which they are given. I understand your passion to defend the truth as you perceive it, as this similar passion is the same love I have for the Holy Roman Catholic Church. Though not all of the posts directed to me were polite and on-tangent, thank you.
Yup, I do appreciate Mr. Soriano’s insights on non-doctrinal issues, particularly his premium on basic Christian values.
I felt that the post was wasted because it’s essentially a “judge not” post (with verses that I can throw back at you as well!); a topic irrelevant to the document at hand because never did the writers argue that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church. Salvation is ultimately God’s power to grant and despite the fact that God granted the church to declare loose what must be declared loose, and bound what must be declared bound, we can never presume above His mercy. This is a position we have held for years. You must be confusing us with INC.
Other churches are defective meaning lacking in apostolic authority, yes. We can argue day in and day out whether Peter is a rock or a pebble, but we cannot conveniently drop the verse where Christ handed Peter the keys to gates of heaven. Christ did institute apostolic authority.
Kay
Dear Kay,
I am very sorry to have grieved you as you expressed in your response. I appreciate your frankness because I am a frank person, too. I hate using words to camouflage what really is inside me.
(1 Thessalonians 2:5) “For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloak of covetousness; God is witness…”
When I express something or anything it comes from my heart and it is the best of my knowledge and belief. I maybe wrong in my perceptions sometimes, but I always make it a point that whenever I teach other people, must be 100% Biblical. It has been my attitude and practice not to allege anything especially against anybody if I do not have sufficient evidences to prove it.
(Isaiah 43:9) “Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and show us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.”
In the interest of truth and justice, at least, there must be two or three witnesses to be brought to testify in a given argument or dispute. The preceding verse requires witnesses.
(2 Corinthians 13:1) “This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.”
It is not only normal, but sane, to love your faith — your church. But it is also wise and sane to be sure that your church or your faith is the true church and faith based on Scriptural truths.
(John 17:17) “Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.”
While I am discussing the truth in any given topic, I must tell you that not everything that I know can be injected on a particular topic. You said in your response that never did the Roman Catholic Church claim that there is no salvation outside the RCC. I hereunder copy what you said:
“I felt that the post was wasted because it’s essentially a “judge not” post (with verses that I can throw back at you as well!); a topic irrelevant to the document at hand because never did the writers argue that there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church.”
Dominus Iesus states that other churches (out of the Catholic Church) are not true churches, but merely ecclesiastical communities and therefore did not have the “means of salvation”.
If this does not mean that you are judging all churches outside of your alleged true church, is this camouflaged hypocrisy? Logic dictates that where there are no means of salvation, there is no salvation; and that is precisely what is meant by RCC authorities. Here is something I presume you do not know which was included your book “Religion Doctrine and Practice” by Francis B. Casilly page 355 this (see image below).
You said that my post was wasted. I am sorry you judged it hastily. It would have been better if you asked me if I have further proof to substantiate what I have written. You also said that it is a topic irrelevant to the document at hand, but in searching for the truth, you have to consider present and previous claims and teachings made by the Roman Catholic Church. It is just like taking something out from the whole context of a book or a set of teachings and not taking it out of context.
(Isaiah 34:16) “Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.”
In the fore cited verse, the Book of the Lord contains all the necessary elements of truths. They must be taken in context for the entire truth to be known. Hereunder, is a part of the question raised at the Second Vatican Council, and the corresponding response:
CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
RESPONSES TO SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING CERTAIN ASPECTS
OF THE DOCTRINE ON THE CHURCH
SECOND QUESTION
What is the meaning of the affirmation that the Church of Christ subsists in the Catholic Church?
RESPONSE
Christ “established here on earth” only one Church and instituted it as a “visible and spiritual community”[5], that from its beginning and throughout the centuries has always existed and will always exist, and in which alone are found all the elements that Christ himself instituted.[6] “This one Church of Christ, which we confess in the Creed as one, holy, catholic and apostolic […]. This Church, constituted and organised in this world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the successor of Peter and the Bishops in communion with him”.[7]
In number 8 of the Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium ‘subsistence’ means this perduring, historical continuity and the permanence of all the elements instituted by Christ in the Catholic Church[8], in which the Church of Christ is concretely found on this earth.
It is possible, according to Catholic doctrine, to affirm correctly that the Church of Christ is present and operative in the churches and ecclesial Communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church, on account of the elements of sanctification and truth that are present in them.[9] Nevertheless, the word “subsists” can only be attributed to the Catholic Church alone precisely because it refers to the mark of unity that we profess in the symbols of the faith (I believe… in the “one” Church); and this “one” Church subsists in the Catholic Church.[10]
If you believe in all your heart in the doctrines of the Roman Catholic Church as defined and redefined in the Second Vatican Council, which I copied above, I hope you will understand me if I believe with all my heart in the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ written even in the official Catholic Bible.
In the above cited Lumen Gentium 8 (I do not want to judge that this is spoken in hypocrisy), it states that: the church of Christ is present and operative in other churches or ecclesiastical communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church…
Christ said:
(Matthew 12:30) “He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.”
How could you say that there is “no salvation outside the Catholic Church” and at the same time, teach as doctrine that, in other churches not in communion with your church, that the Church of Christ is present and operative? Is this a blatant hypocrisy or a blatant lie?
True Biblical love is not double faced or minded.
(Romans 12:9) “Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.”
We must not say that there is no salvation in other churches nor “they did not have the means of salvation” and at the same time appease them by saying that the Church of Christ is operative and present in them — the Holy Scriptures prohibits such hypocrisy.
(Romans 14:22) “Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.”
I am not confusing you with the Iglesia ni Cristo of Felix Manalo (Church of Christ by Felix Manalo) because you have the same erroneous and unbiblical stand. You both judge those outside your church, which is against the Gospel. God is the only one capable of judging those outside the true Church of God. (See image below)
(1 Corinthians 5:13) “God will judge those outside the church…” NIV
The history of your church proves that you have unfairly judged the ‘outsiders’. (See reference below)
Perhaps this cruelty is the result of your belief that there is no salvation outside your church.
This belief came to your church and that of Manalo’s church and other churches founded by man, because of gross ignorance of the Scriptures.
Even those who have not heard the Gospel can be justified by God by doing the “things of the law” written in their hearts.
(Romans 2:11-15) “For there is no respect of persons with God. For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another…”
God’s justice and compassion can not be limited by man, nor by any church!
Just to give you some food for thought (which I hope is welcome by the impression I had of the kind of person you are), is it true that “This Church, constituted and organised in this world as a society, subsists in the Catholic Church, governed by the successor of Peter and the Bishops in communion with him (7) In number 8 of the Dogmatic Constitution Lumen gentium ‘subsistence’ means this perduring, historical continuity and the permanence of all the elements instituted by Christ in the Catholic Church[8], in which the Church of Christ is concretely found on this earth.”
1. “Governed by the successor of Peter”
Was Peter the successor of Christ? Or Paul?
(Colossians 1:24-25) “Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you and fill up those things that are wanting of the sufferings of Christ, in my flesh, for his body, which is the church: Whereof I am made a minister according to the dispensation of God, which is given me towards you, that I may fulfil the word of God…”
2. ‘subsistence’ means this perduring, historical continuity and the permanence of all the elements
Was there really continuity in the power and succession, as you claim? Here is a document to consider. For eleven years, your church (RCC) was governed by a very notorious pope. What happened to the continuity you are claiming?(See reference below)
I want you to note that this magazine came from inside the Vatican itself. That this pope is “one of the most notorious”, meaning, there were so many of them! Will it be alright if I say that the Roman Catholic Church is not the true Church of God?
May God bless and enlighten you.
EFS
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esoriano 
I guess nobody can really refute brother eli. Everything he says has a basis! There’s a saying that “if you can’t beat them, join them!”. 🙂 In my own opinion, the best thing to do for someone to have a ‘decent result’ in debating bro eli is to stop talking. But will not be good for readers for it will not be a debate anymore. Well, anyways, just passed by… peace!
Definitely not! Roman Catholic Church is not the true Church of God!!! Bro. Eli proved it clearly!!!
Reply to Julius:
Neither is “Ang Dating Daan” is the true church. But the writers of the bible and history will prove to the world’s Christians that the Catholic Church is the true church mentioned in the bible in various names as the Church of God or the Church of Christ.
Modern day Christians [and there are many like the ADD] want to steal the true church mentioned in the bible in their name. This is of course to gain adherents or followers the ADD or other religious sects today interpret passages in the bible as referring to their church.
In the olden days religious sects just like today are jostling for position as who is the true church. In the 3rd century Ireneus who was the Bishop of Lyons in France compiled all the scriptures into one book as the bible. Those books other than what he compiled were burned and in his own judgement deemed it as not the words of God. Their inclusion in the bible diminished its importance and are called today as the apocryphal writings of the bible”. Which is why in the bible you will read in the book of Timothy the verse; “All scriptures are inspired by God.”
The verse in [2 Timothy 3:16] was not written by Timothy but believed to be written by Catholics with the approval by Ireneus and is believed by scholars as biblical interpolation.
If you claim that the Catholic church is the true church, then why is the bible disputes the catholic doctrines. Why are the catholic authorities order execution of people who are against the catholic doctrine? Why are the catholic priests molest children?
These only explains how FALSE the catholic doctrine is. These accusations are already proven facts. The Catholic committed the most crimes compare to other religious sects.
No matter how you defend the catholic church, the evil doings of such church still and will remain.
I dont beleive Catholic Church at all…because tehy worship idolles..that is the fact at all.
amen bro eli!thanks be to GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I WAS ONCE A CATHOLIC FOR 4 YEARS AND GROPING IN THE DARKNESS,…I NEVER THOUGHT THERE WAS TRUTH …THAT TRUTH EXISTED……I WAS ALIEN TO GOD’S WORD AND HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS…………..I WAS BLIND THEN………….
BUT THANKS TO GOD! AND TO THE MAN HE SENT TO PREACH HIS WORD IN TOTALITY AND TRUTH!……YES,NOW …I CAN SEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TRUE…..THE CHURCH…THE TRUE CHURCH SHALL PREACH THE WORD OF GOD UNTO ALL NATIONS!! SALAMAT SA DIOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Very well said and explained Bro. Eli! To God be the glory!
This Blog is definitely 100% Biblical and Bro. Eli is definitely 100% messenger of The Most High.
TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!! =)
i believe that roman catholic church is not the true church that is stated in the bible because of their erroneous teachings…
(for example)
God commanded us not to bow down in graven images for it is abomination in the sight of God
Deu 5:7 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
Deu 5:8 Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Deu 5:9 thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them; for I, Jehovah, thy God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the third and upon the fourth generation of them that hate me;
1Pe 4:3 For the time past may suffice to have wrought the desire of the Gentiles, and to have walked in lasciviousness, lusts, winebibbings, revellings, carousings, and abominable idolatries:
Are they teaching this doctrine????
just for correction.
i was a catholic for 41 yrs….not 4…sorry for the typographical missout. thanks!
we are not perfect and wether we like it or not, the people running the churches or religion are also not perfect…
do you agree with this statement?
is it possible to be saved by faith alone?
i don’t attend mass or go to any congregation because i lost my faith on them…there are black propaganda everywhere…
what do you think is the reason why there are so many religion or churches formed in the philippines?
as a nation, we should be united…
to Kaye!!!
greetings of peace!
i hope you understood well what Bro.Eli posted as a reply from your post. Open your mind and open your heart, and you will be enlightened. but, i also wanna inform you, that if you are not pleased yet, why don’t you invite your pope plus the thousands of bishops and catholic heads to have a DEBATE with Bro. Eli live on TV. thank you.
it’s really not a true church, i’ve been there, and now i can also see! i hope they will open their eyes/ears especially hearts, just like my friend who never listened!
I was born and raise catholic, and studied in catholic school from elementary to HS which was ran by the franciscan priest and nuns. It continued when I took vocational course in Don Bosco which was managed by the Salesian priest. All those years I was a devout catholic. Eventhough I always attending the mass and pray the rosary and was once a devoutee in Baclaran and Quiapo. But with all those things i always felt something is missing, i wasn’t happy. I thank God for showing me the true church and heard Bro Eli’s teaching/program in the internet, but I cant take it at first, because of all the catholic doctrines I learned since childhood, it breaks my heart and truth really hurts, until God open my mind, eyes and heart and embraced Bro Eli’s teachings base on the scriptures. Just an unsolicited advise for Kay, continue visiting this weblog and watch our Church program in this link. http://untvweb.com/video/index.aspx. we in the church of God will pray to our God that your heart and other people who is searching for the truth be enlighten:
And a certain woman named Lydia heard us, a seller of purple of the city of Thyatira, who worshiped God; whose heart the Lord opened, so that she attended to the things which were spoken by Paul.
The Acts 16:14
To God be the Glory.
The Roman Catholic Church is definitely not the true church! This is evident in the RCC blatant violation of provisions and teachings in the bible as what Bro. Eli clearly presented. Their violations were not concealed in public and in fact many proven controversies and acts were written in their own publications and books from the pope down to the clergy. We know a lot of them… The recent is the $660,000,000.00 settlement made by Los Angeles Cardinal Roger Mahony of the Archdiocese of LA- the USA’s largest Roman Catholic Archdiocese, to the hundreds of victims who were sexually abused by the members of the clergy!
How about the false teachings and catholic traditions and dogmas? Are they of God’s?
Isn’t the Roman Catholic Church is grossly defective?
Now, how can you claim that this church is the true church and there is no salvation outside the Catholic Church?
murderers are of the devil (JOHN 8:44)
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Roman Catholic Church murdered 300,000 persons burned at stake during the Inquisition (their Pope admits)
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they are the true Church (?????????????) FALSE
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they are of the devil (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) VERY TRUE
T he Pope himself is the most evil among Catholics. He or they do not use the Bible when they preach about God, instead, they added stupid readings. Our Almighty Father Himself taught us to worship Him alone, not Kingkong nor Virgin Maryor any stupid images of saints they say. Those who worship them are like them also. This is in the Bible. Through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, His Son. I fear God, and cannot talk against Him, the most grievious sin according to our God, this is the blasphemy to the word of God. please exercise caution when speaking words so as not serve as an insult. But truly, statues or images, I will use them for firewood if they burn. Come and see me if you don’t believe me. I currently reside here in San Diego@858 5496784. It is only God I fear. that’s it and no others.
Oh no . . . Kay is “trying to save a sinking ship”. Lately, (for Kay’s information) the bishop of L.A. USA is apologizing due to a very shameful reason. Please read below why:
Leader of Los Angeles archdiocese apologizes to victims of sex abuse
Monday, July 16, 2007
By GILLIAN FLACCUS ~ The Associated Press
LOS ANGELES — Cardinal Roger Mahony, leader of the nation’s largest Roman Catholic archdiocese, apologized Sunday to the hundreds of people who will get a share of a $660 million settlement over allegations of clergy sex abuse.
“There really is no way to go back and give them that innocence that was taken from them. … The one thing I wish I could give the victims, I cannot,” he said.
“Once again, I apologize to anyone who has been offended, who has been abused. … It should not have happened and should not ever happen again.”
Mahony said he has met in the past 14 months with dozens of people alleging clergy abuse and that those meetings helped him understand the importance of a quick resolution to what he called a “terrible sin and crime.”
The settlement will not affect the archdiocese’s core ministry, Mahony said, but the church will have to sell buildings, use some of its invested funds and borrow money. The archdiocese will not sell any parish property, he said.
“We gather today because this long journey has now come to an end, and a new chapter of that journey is beginning,” Mahony told reporters.
The deal between the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Los Angeles and more than 500 alleged victims of clergy sexual abuse reached late Saturday is by far the largest payout since the nationwide clergy abuse scandal emerged in 2002 in Boston.
The settlement also calls for the release of priests’ confidential personnel files after review by a judge. According to Tod Tamberg, spokesman for the archdiocese, the settlement had not required Mahony to make his public apology.
Earlier Sunday, Mahony presided over Mass at the Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels in downtown Los Angeles without directly addressing the settlement. The service did include a prayer for victims of clergy abuse.
Mahony and all parties are expected before a Los Angeles Superior Court judge today to enter the settlement into the court record, attorneys said.
“I think for those of us who have been involved in this for more than five years, it’s a huge relief,” said Michael Hennigan, archdiocese attorney. “But it’s a disappointment, too, that we didn’t get it done much earlier than this.”
The deal settles all 508 cases that remained against the archdiocese, which also paid $60 million in December to settle 45 cases that weren’t covered by sexual abuse insurance.
Under the latest deal, the archdiocese will pay $250 million, insurance carriers will pay a combined $227 million and several religious orders will chip in $60 million. The remaining $123 million will come from litigation with religious orders that chose not to participate in the deal, with the archdiocese guaranteeing resolution of those 80 to 100 cases within five years, Hennigan said. The archdiocese is released from liability in those claims, Tamberg said.
Plaintiffs’ attorneys can expect to receive as much as 40 percent of the settlement money — or $264 million — for their work.
Standing outside the cathedral, Mary Grant, spokeswoman for Survivors Network of Those Abused by Priests, said the settlement did not end suffering for the thousands of victims of clergy abuse.
“This is not over,” she said. “Church officials would like to think that this settlement means everything is OK. … But this is not a magic wand.”
The settlements push the total amount paid out by the U.S. church since 1950 to more than $2 billion, with about a quarter of that coming from the Los Angeles archdiocese. A judge must sign off on the agreement.
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Kay, I’ve been a catholic before. Please, please don’t get me wrong, catholics are dear to us/me, they’re my mothers, grandmothers, sisters, friends, relatives, neighbors, countrymen (who are still blinded/ locked in that belief) and we feel sorry for what is happening. And I feel terrible whenever my dear loved ones would angrily defend their pointless catholic faith amidst the exposure of erroneous actions / decisions of its leaders. Kay, if you could just open up or be objective on Bro. Eli’s side, I don’t think it would hurt at all. Please look around, don’t be deceived by the shiny white outfit of hypocrite priests who are robbing you your hard-earnings while commanding the catholic faithful not to give alms to street children who surprisingly are also catholics. imagine that… a very wealthy and influential catholic church having a cold-heart treatment towards poor defenseless street children
if you’re a Filipino, Kay, I hope you’d also find time reading “Liham ni Rizal sa Kadalagahan ng Malolos” (The Letter of Rizal to the Women of Malolos) by Dr. Jose Rizal who was also a victim of the Catholic Inquisition in the late 1800s
Bro Eli…I came across this quotation on the net….what do you have to say about this claim…
If Christians would really live according to the teachings of Christ, as found in the BIBLE, all of India would be Christian today.
-Mahatma Gandhi
-1869-1948, Indian Political, Spiritual Leader
thank you very much
AMEN!
Kay,
Most of the times truth hurts, but we must accept truth no matter how painful it is. Sometimes we have to get hurt for us to learn (not necessarily physically though) – welcome the pain my friend and learn from it. Just like a doctor giving some medication to an aching wound, it stings but it is meant for the betterment of the patient.
whoa! smack to the point.
i won’t wonder if there would still be catholics out there that would turn a blind eye on these expose and still think they’re with the right faith.
recently, i read somewhere that there is this $660M to 500 sexually abused victims by catholic priests and if my understanding is correct they really have an insurance policy for these kind of things. imagine that?!
btw, i am a catholic myself and not really in depth in bible reading like most of you but geez i don’t have to read the bible to understand that this catholic faith is now way from being a Christian. embracing a crucifix in front of national tv is not enough, the pope should come clean, be honest and tell everyone that the Roman Catholic Church is a man made religion and won’t take you to heaven. then he should point everyone to the right track by telling them to ask bro. eliseo soriano how to get to heaven.
thanks for this nice blog sight bro. eli.
To lovely,
You know, friend, you sounded just like me a year ago. And you know something? Your current state is actually the best place to start. Because I believe you will find what you’re looking for. In fact, you already did. Don’t give up.
I am with you Kay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My take on this issue: These guys need a history lesson. An accurate one from primary sources and not a bunch of revisionist nonsence……..
So brother when you quote primary sources– this means writtings from the people that were there—maybe I will read this bolg again.
There are and were evil Popes, Priests ect but there are an equal number evil pastors ect….. It is the nature of the human condition.
FYI—-the reformers killed in conservative estimates 10 times as many Catholics so……………………………….your point??????
Just my opinion, MAYBE IT IS BETTER TO SAY THAT IN CHURCH OF CHRIST OF MR. MANALO AND IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION!
………just a freedom of expression………
TO CATHOLIC FRIEND,
I THINK WE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR FALSE ANNALS OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH!
YOUR RECORDED HISTORY IS STILL A SUBJECT FOR SCROUTINY MY FRIEND.FOR ALL WE KNOW THE ROMAN AUTORITIES MIGHT HAVE ALTERED IT FOR THEIR OWN DARK INTERESTS.
POSSIBLE? VERY,VERY POSSIBLE!!!
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT ROMAN CAHTOLIC RELIES SO MUCH ON “THEIR” SO CALLED ANNALS WHEN IT COMES TO PROVING THE AUTHENTICITY OF THEIR CHURCH? OF COURSE THERE WERE BAD HISTORY RECORDED IN THEIR ANNALS TO MAKE IT APPEAR IMPARTIAL BUT THE TRUTH IS THE ANNALS WERE WRITTEN TO SUPPORT THE AUTHENTICITY OF THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH BEC THEY KNOW THAT WHEN IT COMES TO THE HOLY SCRIPTURES THEY CANT SUBSTANTIATE THEIR AUTHENICITY.
WHAT’S THE PROOF? ASK ANY AUTHORITIES IN THE VATICAN OR ANY AUTHORIZED APOLOGIST TO AUTHENTICATE THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH IN FRONT OF ELI SORIANO USING THE HOLY SCRIPTURE AS THE SOLE BASIS THEN YOU WILL BE FAILING.
AND EXCUSE ME, THERE IS NO ONE SINGLE FOLLOWER OF CHRIST THAT WAS ADDRESSED AS CATHOLIC IN THE BIBLE? ALL OF THEM WERE CALLED CHRISTIANS!!!!
To Lovely (#8)
You said: “we are not perfect and wether we like it or not, the people running the churches or religion are also not perfect…
do you agree with this statement?
is it possible to be saved by faith alone?
i don’t attend mass or go to any congregation because i lost my faith on them…there are black propaganda everywhere…
what do you think is the reason why there are so many religion or churches formed in the philippines?
as a nation, we should be united…”
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I don’t agree!!!!
You must be aware that there is a warning given in the bible…
II Peter 2:1 – “But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction. ”
Even false christ will come…
Matthew 24:4-5 – “And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man lead you astray. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ; and shall lead many astray.”
Matthew 24:24 – “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. ”
This the reason why there are plenty churches not just in the Philippines but also in the whole world.
If you have time, I suggest you attend our congregations. Be our guest! You will find out that God is teaching us thru Bro. Eli how to become perfect and how to live a clean life everyday, free from hatred.
May God help you in finding the truth!
“If you have time, I suggest you attend our congregations. Be our guest! You will find out that God is teaching us thru Bro. Eli how to become perfect and how to live a clean life everyday, free from hatred.”
who moderates these comments? my oh my. are you implying that Bro. Eli is perfect and hatred-free? you are aware of his legal snitches in the Philippines right?
I’ll say amen to this, I’ve sent it to all my friends and if they’re gonna be angry with me so be it, I stand for my faith. If I lose my friends for this article then thanks be to God. I’ll just hope that they won’t be blinded by their pride and be enlightened with all the truth that is in thios blog.
To all,
MGA WALANG UTANG NA LOOB! without us, you have no bible.
Without my forefathers’ will & dedications (Catholic church’ forefathers) , the gnostics and other christians group are now the rulers of this world!
Bad kayo lahat! We labored more abundantly than you all, and now you are proclaiming that we are nothing? How dare you!
i agree that catholic is not a true religion
mark says:
i agree that catholic is not a true religion
Reply:
If you agree that Catholic is not the true religion… then don’t use the bible. The bible is the official religious book of the Catholic Church.
You labored nothing, everything belongs to God you selfrighteous wala sa ayos ka. If you are good why can’t you humble yourself so God will exalt you. Learn and become to be a servant, how it feels if you have the guts to accept reality, i am talking about heart attack, stroke, cancer, and more. do you think you have what it takes to be among those ive mentioned. Then volunteer yourself to God and make your body like vegetable so that you cannot move anymore. Are you ready for sure. It hurts, because it happened to me already. The worst about being Catholic is that they bow down to those images made by the hands of man like you and me. God does not like this thousands of years ago, but most people still do, because you know why, because of money, power, and more. Idolatry God does not accept what people have been doing for so long time ago. But the priests supposed to implement what is right, but, they have been judged by God, and it is only God can change their heart. God bless and good luck my friend.
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8 lovely,
1. You said, “we are not perfect and wether we like it or not, the people running the churches or religion are also not perfect…do you agree with this statement?”
We may be not be perfect now, but we CAN be perfect.
2 Timothy 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
You know, only those pastors and ministers who are ignorant of the bible will say,” NOBODY’S PERFECT”. But according to the bible, there were perfect people in the sight of God. To give you one:
Job 1:1 ¶There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.
2. You asked, “is it possible to be saved by faith alone? ”
If you are going to ask this to born again pastors, they will READILY answer you, “YES!”. But at the same time, they will ask for your TEN PERCENT.
But according to the bible, there are things, which we should Add to our FAITH if we ought to be fruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 1:5 ¶And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
3. You said, “i don’t attend mass or go to any congregation because i lost my faith on them…there are black propaganda everywhere…”
You can always follow what the apostle John admonished christians. Try every spirit wheter they are of God.
1 John 4:1 ¶Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
Ask them concerning the law.
Haggai 2:11 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ask now the priests concerning the law, saying,
I would just suggest that in doing this, don’t look too far. You can always click on that link above, ‘ASK BRO. ELI’. I am sure, Bro. Eli will be most glad to answer ALL your inquiries about the religion in the bible.
4. You asked, “what do you think is the reason why there are so many religion or churches formed in the philippines?”
MONEY! Not only here in the Philippines but all over the world.
Isaiah 56:11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.
These pastors and ministers, who are sheperds that cannot understand, are likened unto GREEDY DOGS, serving their BELLY, than God, the Creator.
Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
They may profess that they know God, but their works deny them.
Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Also transforming themselves as ministers of righteousness, like their father, the devil himself transformed into an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
4. You said, “as a nation, we should be united…”
I believe, it depends on what we as a nation should be united upon. If we are going to unite on something good, then this should be fine. Like the people of God in the bible, though they are many, they are one body.
1 Corinthians 12:12 ¶For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
14 For the body is not one member, but many.
But if it’s otherwise, I think not. Because, you see, there are countries in the world today, and even then, who are united as a nation to become communists. One superpower often refers to it as an ‘AXIS OF EVIL’. Germany was one, when Hitler led that nation in conquering territories and killing millions (I believe) of people on their path in pursuing a new world order.
But one thing is for sure in this PRESENT world, as long as there are GOOD PEOPLE, there will always be BAD PEOPLE also, just lurking around the corner, waiting for their prey.
I am blessed by this comment. Please continue to enlighten people thru the words of the Bible so that many can be saved. To God be the glory!
Hey, listen to yourself. You sounded like we are talking about the government here. So what if this party killed as much sa this one? C’mon man. Don’t you even feel that something is wrong here? This is God’s Church we are talking about, it is perfect, otherwise everyone will end up in heaven as far as they (catholics) are concerned and that will be anything but heaven. The most obvious reasons that these religion(s) are not true? They kill and sexually assault each other. If your priest starts defending these “crimes” or starts telling you nice & inspiring stories that makes you feel warm & fluffy inside to make you keep the “faith”; I will advice you to start thinking and asking if this religion is founded by humans or God. Reading your post again, I think you already found that out.
God will not leave us by ourselves, confused as we are surrounded by thousands of different faith claiming to be true Christians. Don’t look for what looks nice & sounds good, look for the TRUTH. If there would be only two religions in this world & one is killing the other, and the other doesn’t retaliate, i’ll stick to the one following God’s commandment.
There’s more where it came from…
To God be the Glory!!!
to a catholic lover,
peace be to you guys. open the eyes of your heart. and God will guide you on your journey to know the truth.
dsr
Thank you Lord … you made another instrument..bringing your righteousness to the world..!
Thank you God for brod eli’s blog..!
#25 Catholic
So sa inyo kami may utang na loob dahil kayo naghirap sa bible? Isipin mo muna sana sinasabi mo bago ka magsalita. Kanino ba ang bible diba aklat ito ng Panginoon. Nagyon kanino tayo may utang na loob? Pinaghirapan ito ng mga taong itinalaga ng Panginoon noong unang panahon pa at kung gagamitin natin ito sa di tamang paraan hindi ito ang pagtanaw ng utang na loob sa Dios. Gamitin natin sana sa tamang paraan kung sinasabi ng salita ng Dios na mali tayo tanggapin natin na mali tayo at imbis na maghimutok tayo at ipagpilitan nating tama tayo na hindi naman ay tumanaw tayo ng utang na loob sa Dios sa pamamagitan ng pagsunod sa utos niya at magpasalamat ka at nalaman mo ang katotohanan. magalit ka sa mali at huwag sa tama.
@ 25 Catholic…
I just want to correct what you said regarding on the catholics being the one who spread the bible… actually as history have taught it is the Roman Catholic Church who ordered the destruction of bibles nung medieval times… many Bible translators were burned alive or hanged when they were caught… And others who distrbuted the bible were called heretics….
Thank you… Hope this helps…
because non-catholics groups are trying to twist the truths of the bible to establish their respective churches. why don’t you look at eli.
25 Catholic
1. You said, “MGA WALANG UTANG NA LOOB! without us, you have no bible. ”
HAAAAA? Do you ever have an idea what you are talking about?
The word “Bible” comes from the Greek word “Biblios” which means a Library or Collection of Books. The Bible is not a book written by one person, but a compilation of a number of “books” written at different times over many centuries by different people.
a. Were there catholics already in the time of Moses when the first 5 books were written?
b. Does the bible contain the words of catholics? Your doctrines are even in contrary to it.
2. You said, “Without my forefathers’ will & dedications (Catholic church’ forefathers) , the gnostics and other christians group are now the rulers of this world!”
RULERS OF THIS WORLD? This just proves your ignorance of the bible.
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Yes, you really are the rulers of this world now. Because, the god of this world had blinded your minds.
But us:
Philippians 3:20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:
3. Bad kayo lahat! We labored more abundantly than you all, and now you are proclaiming that we are nothing? How dare you!
Ha? Sinong mabait? Ang Katolisismo?
1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
Yes, your church forefathers labored abundantly in building a factory of:
Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
The bible did proclaim this:
Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
If you’ll come to understand the things in the bible, you’ll also dare yourself.
BIBLOS..
not BIBLIOS..
no…it is “biblios”…
to catholic:
on what verses can you find that bible came from Catholic? pls site it!
Catholic,
Dont’ be carried away by your emotions. Bro. Eli is not talking nonsense in here. His talking about Biblical facts.
You said:
To all,
MGA WALANG UTANG NA LOOB! without us, you have no bible.
Without my forefathers’ will & dedications (Catholic church’ forefathers) , the gnostics and other christians group are now the rulers of this world!
Bad kayo lahat! We labored more abundantly than you all, and now you are proclaiming that we are nothing? How dare you!
First of all, you don’t own the Bible. Even without all of you, the Bible will exist. The Bible existed first before Catholism.It’s not your forefateher’s will and dedications why the gnostics and other christian groups are now the rulers of the world. IN FACT, CHRISTIANS, now and even in the past, were maltrited, persecuted, and experience a lot of tribulations because of the works of false religions just like Catholicism.
Are you saying that your forefathers are even mightier than God? Can’t you accept that you, me, each and everyone are nothing aginst the mighty hands of God?
How come you’re claiming that without you we don’t have the Bible when you don’t even understand it? How come all of your teachings are against the teachings of the Bible?
Gusto mo ba tumanaw kami ng utang na loob sa inyo? Sumpain ang taong sa tao’y maglagak! IISA LANG ANG PINAGKAKAUTANGAN NATIN NG LOOB, AT YUN AY WALANG IBA KUNDI ANG DIOS!
IKAW ANG WALANG UTANG NA LOOB.
MAGPASALAMAT KA SA DIOS, DAHIL SA KANYA, MAY BIBLIA. AT MAGAPASALAMAT KA SA KANYA, MAY BUHAY KA PA. HE’S STILL GIVING YOU A CHANCE TO REPENT.
Now I believe I’M VERY LUCKY, BECAUSE ASIDE FROM HAVING THE BIBLE, I GOT THE CHANCE TO UNDERTSAND IT THROUGH BRO. ELI, AND I HAVE THE GOD WHO IS TRUE AND THE GOD WHOM OTHER PEOPLE STILL HAVEN’T KNOWN!!! SALAMAT SA DIOS, NAKAWALA AKO SA KATOLISISMO, SALAMAT SA DIOS SA LAHAT NG KALOOB NA HINDI MASAYOD.
HAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH…NAKAKAIYAK….ANG SARAP NG FEELING!!!
did brother eli compiled the bible? how did he know all the books in the bible are true? did eli and his cohorts prove all the books in the bible are true? show history.
Never did bro.Eli says he compiled d Bible but d reason y he is capable of giving truth in d Bible is bec he have studied all d Bible or books of d Bible from it’s original to d present state so he even said not all that r written in d present book is true some r added bec he hv compared it from d original Greek, latin n Hebrew Bible! So what he reads n answer to our questions comes From the original written text recorded translated in our present Bible! In short a combination of old n new Bible use yet compared to find wc truth base from orig that he gets it’s answer…wc only a true preacher guided by d Holy Spirit can do such things wc no man now have ever done so we can trust his words for it! If u dnt believe, get a bible to see if what he says r made up or not!
Oh boy Oh boy,
You know the feeling when you see a ‘sinking ship’, and you love the people inside: some of them JUMPED to another ship to save their life,… BUT SOME are saying “Look, this ship is has still some parts which ‘looks’ elegant. I’m staying here.”
Look, in any way, perspective, angle, view you look at it (history, doctrine, background, leaders, acts, deeds, reality): The Roman catholic church is NOT (*in any way) the church built by Christ.
If you prefer STILL to stay there when you already are hearing and reading Bro. Eli’s teachings, then what can we say. Our advice is to continue listening and reading Bro. Eli’s teachings.
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Revelations 18:2
“And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird!”
I was so overwhelmed by this article….waiting for the next…I’m very excited!!!
AMEN.!
I definitely agree that RCC is not true chuch of God.
THanks to God for this wonderful post.
AND TO MISS KAY:I HOPE THAT YOU NOW UNDESTAND…….GOD bless you.!
ang dating daan is not the true church of god. add is founded by eli soriano. question: how did your church get your bible?
Catholc church not really of God!!! their doctrines,practices and even lifestyle are not biblical!!! direct opposite on what bible tells!!!
To all catholics, pls, open your eyes and seek for the truth,dont let your souls be lead by false preachers!!!!
we must be biblical and listen on what Bro Eli tells!!!!
Bro Eli, more catholic and even none catholics need you!! Pls continue for this battle for the Glory of God and for humanity salvation’s sake!!!
May the good health be w/ you always!!!
To God be the Glory!!!
God sent his son Jesus Christ to be the leader of the church of God. The Roman Catholic Church only claim that they are worshipping christ in the cross. THe true christ is in the heaven, raised up from the dead. You dont need to use the symbols of crusifix, that is a pure IDOLATRY!!! which is forbidden by God in the bible. To god be the Glory! Peace.
I object Eli Soriano are saying I being a Catholic we were not doing a idolatry because when Jesus comes, all the statues, the crucifix refering Jesus Christ means that all of it now is being the salvation towards Christ.
Sometimes, it is really very hard to accept the TRUTH, all the more, once you found out that what you’re doing is in contrary with the real TRUTH. But always bear in mind that there is always Almighty GOD that will help us in searching for the real truth. That’s a promise, search, you will find, knock and will be open.
TO ALL ADD,
Wake up sleepy lazy goats! WE LABORED MORE ABUNDANTLY THAN ANY OF YOU! All of you (All the Churches) are like MUshrooms.
WE compiled all those scriptures and disregard those spurios manuscripts having mystical ideas. And that is the BIBLE of today, the one that you used in disregarding us. YOU OWED A LOT FROM US!
Our Church forefather’s wrote LOng Treatises condeming the Gnostics and their teachings. And they are succesful in destroying those writings. OUr bishops burned those heretical books and exiled those heretics.
Where are you during those time?
How dare you talked ILL of Us! You have no right! YOu are all nothing but a second grade …… _ _ _ _ _ _ _!
NO! Catholics are more lazy goats because you don’t read the bible. You don’t do your homework. Yes, the catholics translated the codex but the catholic authorities forbid the members to use your so-called “what you’ve labored”. During the time, the catholics set the latin as the standard language to be used in masses so as not to be intended to be understood by the public.
The members of ADD are better off, at least they do their homework by reading and examining translations of the bible, but you catholic lazy goats DO NOT!
“Wake up sleepy lazy goats! WE LABORED MORE ABUNDANTLY THAN ANY OF YOU! All of you (All the Churches) are like MUshrooms.”
and this makes you THE TRUE CHURCH? THE RIGHTFUL CHURCH? you think just because you did this and that makes you the TRUE CHURCH?
come on. you hafta give us more than that.
“Our Church forefather’s wrote LOng Treatises condeming the Gnostics and their teachings. And they are succesful in destroying those writings. OUr bishops burned those heretical books and exiled those heretics.”
yeah, your bishops burned heretical books AND heretics themselves. ^_^
FYI—-the reformers killed in conservative estimates 10 times as many Catholics so……………………………….your point??????
sorry we are not reformers, catholic is one of the reformers of the true christian doctrine. while they are reforming christian doctrine, they also misleading people. for example, the bible states that when you pray, you shall not use vain repetitions:
At sa pananalangin ninyo ay huwag ninyong gamitin ang walang kabuluhang paulitulit, na gaya ng ginagawa ng mga Gentil: sapagka’t iniisip nilang dahil sa kanilang maraming kasasalita ay didinggin sila.
Mateo 6:7
But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
Matthew 6:7
King James Version
And when you are praying, speak not much, as the heathens. For they think that in their much speaking they may be heard.
Matthew 6:7
Douay-Rheims Version
the catholics then reformed a prayer contrary to what the bible states, they taught a “prayer” called rosary that uses/speaks repetitions even then might turn your knees to bleed (if you are praying the rosary while kneeling) because it will take you a long time before you get to finish. another heathen doctrine here in Philippine catholic is the “litania”… now will you again say that we are reformers? nope 100%. we never reform the doctrines of Christ originally written even in your official bible versions. dumura kayo sa langit sa mukha nio rin bumagsak.
>>>what? the catholic church is the true church according to history 0_o? hahaha. catholicism is against/contrary to the bible. that’s 100 % true. but catholic is the true church of God, never. look:
http://catholicvsthebible.blogspot.com/
we’ll, the catholic authority attacked dan brown (author of the da vinci code) because they said that dan brown told lies about Jesus in that certain book. but mind you people, the catholic was the first (after the apostle time) gigantic church that told lies against Jesus, including Christ’s hair.
it’s not finished yet, i will post more “catholic vs the bible” God willing in the future.
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25 Catholic
To all,
MGA WALANG UTANG NA LOOB! without us, you have no bible.
excuse me? without you? mind you, it was the apostles, evangelists, prophets etc… who wrote the bible, it’s not you. claiming, allegations, no basis. sigh. without those people (not including you), we dont have our bible. but mind you, ang halay sabihin na without us, you have no bible. you know why? God is the real One and only cause why we have our bible not you. fool.
Without my forefathers’ will & dedications (Catholic church’ forefathers) , the gnostics and other christians group are now the rulers of this world!
Bad kayo lahat! We labored more abundantly than you all, and now you are proclaiming that we are nothing? How dare you!
what? did somebody said that you are nothing? who? paste mo nga dito kung saan un and kung sino nag post nun. liar.
now about that We labored more abundantly than you all,, laboring much isnt the basis of the true church, remember what the apostle Peter said?
Kaya nga, mga minamahal, yamang nalalaman na ninyo nang una ang mga bagay na ito, ay magsipagingat kayo, baka kung mangaligaw kayo sa pamamagitan ng kamalian ng masasama, ay mangahulog kayo sa inyong sariling katiyagaan.
II Pedro 3:17
Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.
II Peter 3:1 KJV
You therefore, brethren, knowing these things before, take heed, lest being led aside by the error of the unwise, you fall from your own steadfastness.
II Peter 3:17 DRV
this is the very thing Christ also said:
Datapuwa’t walang kabuluhan ang pagsamba nila sa akin, Na nagtuturo ng kanilang pinakaaral ng mga utos ng mga tao.
Marcos 7:7
Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mark 7:7 KJV
And in vain do they worship me, teaching doctrines and precepts of men.
Mark 7:7 DRV
careful on that you are saying, one misleading doctrine can lead millions to damnations. saint Paul said if somebody teaches a different gospel, CURSE HIM!!!
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:8
now about what this guy said:
Without my forefathers’ will & dedications (Catholic church’ forefathers) , the gnostics and other christians group are now the rulers of this world!
it is just the same, catholicism rules the world, leading people to mislead/invented/abomination beliefs, if these gnostic and/or other “christian” groups rules the world, they are practicing their doctrine, serve them to damnation. so we don’t owe the catholic if they “prevented” these other “christian” groups and gnostic to rule the world because they are both in a mislead church.
NOW, WHO IS THE REAL “BAD KAYONG LAHAT”? A group of people that never reformed what was written in the bible, or a church “ruling the world” but has 95 – 100 % invented doctrines which are just percepts of men? CURSE BE TO THOSE WHO TEACH UNBIBLICAL DOCTRINES MISLEADING PEOPLE.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Colossians 2:8
King James Version
There are so many reasons to prove that the Roman Catholic and the Iglesia ni Cristo ni Manalo are not the true church of God as bro Eli mentioned here, and the examples that he cited are just few of them, but still there’s a lot, lot more, I may say all of their doctrines which are unbiblical. That’s the reason why I withdrew myself from being a Catholic for almost 38 years of my life that I’ve wasted. I’m so very thankful to God that I found the true religion of God, (through the most sensible preacher ever! bro Eli Soriano), the Church of God (I Tim 3:15) To God be the Glory!!!
To Catholic:
You said: WALANG UTANG NA LOOB? without catholic you have no bible?
What a shame! Do you mean tha only the catholic wrote or distributed the bible? Your statement shows that you are very ignorant on how the bible were compiled and how it was written as it is now. IT IS NOT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH who wrote the bible!. They were written by prophets of God and the apostles, and then written in stones and scrolls. These were then discovered by archaeologist and then translated…It is a fallacy that if Catholic church did not exist, the bible will not be present.
It is God’s will that his words be written for generation to come:
Psalms 102:18 “This shall be written for the generation to come: and the people which shall be created shall praise the LORD.”
So even though the RCC authorities took part most in the compilation of the bible, absolutely you cannot claim that they should get credited for it. It is absolutely GOD who finds a way to make it know to us, by using different instruments.
Also, did you know that the catholic church burned copies of the bible which are handwritten translation by William Tyndale, who translated the bible to English? This was BURNED by catholic authorities! Go ‘Google it’ for yourself..
OPEN YOUR MIND! how can you claim that such church is the true church when they have a DARK history of BURNING PEOPLE at stake? 68 million people died because of the Catholic inquisitions!!! CAN YOU ERASE THAT ON HISTORY??
INQUISITION FYI is the most notorious torture a man can experience and think!!!…to give you an example aside from burning alive people.. tying both arms and legs and then pulling them apart by a machine!… opening belly with a knife and pulling away your internal organs then showing it in your face!.. hallowing stomach by rats!…these and more painful experience a man can think!…
If you are on your right mind, will you accept that RCC have a conscience came from God? Christ commanded to LOVE YOUR ENEMY, NOT KILL YOUR ENEMY!.. CHRISTIANS ARE THE ONES WHO ARE BEING KILLED NOT THE ONE WHO ARE EXECUTING THE KILLINGS!… And if you are in your proper sense… IT IS THE ROMANS WHO KILLED CHRIST!..so why are you calling yourself ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH? Are you a ROMAN? Then,,,you are part of those group in the bible who persecuted the early Christian church and execute Christ by death penalty on nailing!
You may think that past is past…and they have admitted their mistakes…BUT is the true church in the bible commit mistakes since the time of Christ? (I mean the CHURCH or the organization, and not individual people)…
READ:
Ephesians 5: 27 “That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.”
See? The church must be presented as a GLORIOUS CHURCH!, NOT HAVING A SPOT OR WRINKLE, OR ANY SUCH THING!
Now is the RCC a glorious CHURCH? NOT HAVING A SPOT OR WRINKE?HOW ABOUT HOLY? CAN YOU CALL SUCH KILLINGS HOLY? The answer is a BIG NO!!!.. They have, not only a SPOT, but a LARGE stain that cannot be ERASED.
May God enlighten your hearts and may you find truth as we did when we believe that what Bro. Eli is preaching is the TRUTH came directly from the bible, made known by GOD.
Because it is GOD who said..Daniel 12:10
“Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.”
NONE OF THE WICKED SHALL UNDEDSTAND; BUT THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND. If Bro Eli is wicked and BAD as you said (you said “BAD KAYONG LAHAT”..which includes Bro Eli, of course), then why can he explains all of these? Why cant the RCC don’t have a program called “Itanong Mo kay father, Biblia ang sasagot” (Ask father, the bible will answer) But only Bro Eli has the guts and the ability to answer every questions ask by man and the answer comes directly from the Bible, not from his own understanding…More so..watch Bro Eli’s debate with catholic church defense authorities in the Philippines and see it for yourself how, even they, cant defend that your church is the true church..e pano ka pa? your just a member.
To God be the Glory…
I hope and pray one of my relatives and friends may have read this issue, this issue rules!!!… I guess, people now know the truth except if only they minds are open enough to accept…
to you Catholic,
It’s not those catholic members whom we are apt against but of your leaders. Claiming without them there is no bible!! How foolish you catholic leaders, you had all the chances given to you ( by our God ) of knowing and understanding the teachings of God thru Christ Jesus until these days but all’s gone unto waste. Why, because until now they don’t even understand the elementary teachings of Jesus Christ. I cant find a single teaching of God that they (Catholic leaders ) followed. Catholics against Catholics
fights one another, accuses and kills one another,despises one another, etc. Are we indebpted ?? No, you can ask youself. If you really want the truth,ask God and you will find it. Be fair with yourself, just be honest and you will find salvation. Ang kaligtasan ay hindi kayang bilhin ng kahit sino mang makapangyarihan o mayamang tao sa buhay na ito,kahit sa iyo pa ang mundo at ipalit ito para sa iyong kaligtasan. Salvation is free you just have to work for it.
Mag suri ka, ipanalangin mo sa Dios na buksan ang iyong isip na makaunawa. Sayang kasi ang” Buhay na Walang Hanggan” dapat na makita mo Ang Dating Daan at lumakad ka doon upang magkaroon ng kapahingahan ang iyong kaluluwa.
To Catholic:
The bible will exist even without your “catholic forefathers” (who actually ruined it)
God permitted it to be written for his true children and for people who wants the word of God.
Utang na loob? may be not….we owe nothing to your false religion…we owe everything to our God alone.
To God be the Glory!!!
To Allan francis manahan Carino
I’ve watched the documentary of that case here in Calgary Alberta..and wow!!! who would want to claim that Catholicism is the true religion…It would bring SHAME to all Catholics…even to the pope himself…It was even a wake up call for all the Catholics themselves that truly they are not in the right church for the truth doesn’t dwell on the evil things.
To Catholic
I can’t blame you if you feel that way. Most of us here also were like you before. We’re from RCC also, but thank God our eyes were opened and learned the truth thru Bro. Eli.
Don’t just shout, you must study, so you will learn if Bro. Eli is telling the truth or not. If he’s of God or not.
Correction the bible is not written for the RCC only, like what you are claiming. It’s for everyone who wants to learn God’s way. I know you haven’t find it yet, well you should start now looking for it. And I promise you will lose nothing but you will gain life.
Always remember…
Proverbs 12:15 – “The way of a fool seems right to him, but a wise man listens to advice.”
To Kay And Catholic Friend,
Why do Catholics do not excommunicate members who are Murderers, Drug Lords, Adulterers, Drunkards, etc?
Why do your Catholic Priests accept financial donations coming from Casinos and other gambling groups?
Why does your church consent almost all kinds of vices and corruptions?
Have you ever thought about these things?
Very well explained. Incomparable wisdom coming from God. To God be the Glory, forever…
WHEW! What a mouth full! Wow! Just only a couple of days of Bro. ELi’s blog and comments are flowing!
I was going to answer Kay and Catholic friend, but i guess the others did the job. Enough has been said
The way I analyze these catholic friends of ours contesting Bro. Eli, they’re experiencing a phenomenon called “A.H.M.”
A.H.M. – Absolute Hoodwink Mentality
(look up your dictionary guys! hahaha!)
It’s no suprise! Why?
Ro 1:25
“Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.”
Ro 1:22
“Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools”
THAT’S WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU WORSHIP IDOLS!
YOU DON’T GET!
AAANNDD
WON’T GET IT!
EVER!
(Daniel 12:10)
Get it???
MORE POWER ESORIANO.WORDPRESS!!!
To Catholic
You wake up!!! You don’t know your history. you cannot prove what you are saying! you are claiming that the bible came from you catholics. oh cmon! prove it then that you really understand what was written on your bible.
Take this verse as an example then prove it to me if you catholics deserve the bible you are claiming.
Leviticus 26:1
Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.
can you really say that you are not kneeling and bowing down before idols which was a graven image made by hands of men?
If you say you are not doing that, how about the priest who presides the whole mass?
isn’t it stupidity? you bought these images, relics then carried it to your house. make them a place for these idols and then worship it?
even worst, the seller who happens to be a catholic, they pray also before those images that they sell!!!!!
WAKE UP!!!! READ you so called catholic bible!
I encourage you to read Isaiah 44:9-20. read it again and again. moreso, read the whole bible you claim that it came from yours. you will not find that Saint Peter really went to Rome but Saint Paul did.
If you still claim Peter did went to Rome, then prove it according to the bible that you were claiming!
And we will prove that the bible is not meant for the catholics.
claiming is one thing but proving is another.
hey catholic,
we are speaking of matters of salvation,and not of compilations.. open your eyes,seek for the truth in the bible.
salvation is depend upon obeying the law of god in scriptures,and not the one whom compiled it..
To Catholic (#42)
I know how you feel… AYAW UMAMIN NA MALI KAHIT NASA HARAP NA NG ILONG MO ANG MGA EVIDENCES. Of course, you will fight for your faith, because you were born having that faith.
Is that all you can do, curse us because we’re telling you the truth?
Do you think what we’re doing is for us? It’s for your ownsake, we’re telling you the truth because we care for your soul.
Bro. Eli has sincere caring for your soul and to all out there searching the truth. He teaches the bible with all honesty and we are the witnesses. All you have to do is listen and open your heart and God will do the rest!
there is a lot of people reading this blog. or better yet, a lot of brethren posting there comments. How come there is only 16 Diggs??? I don’t think this reflects the truth. so I encourage you brethren… please DIGG!!!!
to catholic,
i pity you… i hope you find the Light. wag ka na maniwala sa mga matatandang katoliko na nakilala mo that they’re saying, “kung saan ka nadapa dun ka na lang. they also keep saying they’ll die a catholic. i hope you become a true christian… we are nothing without our Christ, our Saviour..
i hope mabuksan ang puso mo sa katotohanan. …
Reply to your post # 42.
Catholic,
You are taking too much credit for your religion in compiling the bible – well, you forgot about the one who wrote those books and mostly the ONE who inspired these writers to inked these books – we owe it to HIM. If ever your-so-called forefathers did not compiled it – probably others will. So it is not something that you have to boast for.
Well it’s not only books that your forefathers burned long time ago, even people who are not accepting your church’s doctrines. Heretics as what your forefathers call them were burned alive with their books. Is it written on the bible that you-seems-to-own? Is it a commandment from your god?
Granting without conceding that we should be thanful to your forefathers for compiling the bible, does it make them above the commandments written on it which states “LOVE YOUR ENEMY”? Is loving them includes burning them alive?
Why is it that the church whom you are giving credit for the bible is blatantly disobeying commandments written in it?
Are you proud for that?
You said that religion nowadays pop up just like mushrooms – well, the church that I am a member of came even before catholism. It is the church whom the Father built in the Rock which is Christ. How? Through the Gospel and through the pronouncement of St. Paul in Eph 3:6
That the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
That body is the Church headed by Christ Col 1:8
Granting without conceding that your religion came before any religion established by man – does it make your religion true? Tell me what’s the indication of true religion?
I will pause for a reply.
I always study my Bible, but correct me if im wrong or even call me stupid as you please, show in what part of the Bible says anything about the word Catholic and please do not lie because even before you can break your neck there is none saying anything about Catholic.Catholic was made by man not God. period.
There is no word “catholic” in a bible written in English but there are lots in the Greek version. I’m also going to bet my b*lls if you can read the church of Eli Soriano in the bible.
42 Catholic
1. You said, “Wake up sleepy lazy goats! WE LABORED MORE ABUNDANTLY THAN ANY OF YOU! All of you (All the Churches) are like MUshrooms. ”
a1. Paul wrote the book of 1 Thessalonians to THE CHURCH WHICH IS IN GOD THE FATHER AND IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
1 Thessalonians 1:1 ¶Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
a2. According to him, who are really sleeping?
1 Thessalonians 5:6 ¶Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
…OTHERS! Including RCC. Not the church of God in Christ Jesus.
b1. How about lazy goats?
According to Matthew 25:41-46, these are those who give no meat, no drink, no clothes, and did not visit one of the least of Jesus’ brethren.
Look at RCC members begging for food in the streets, having no food to eat, no water to drink, and those suffering in beds of illness, and in prison cells. And these RCCs say that they are of God.
b2. Yes you laboured more abundantly in building a factory of adulteres, fornicators, murderers, idolaters, etc… (gal 5:19-21).
c. Mushrooms? Certainly no the Church of God. Study your history again. Just when did your group sprouted out? Didn’t you have antipopes who ruled over you for you to cite continuity?
2. You said, “WE compiled all those scriptures and disregard those spurios manuscripts having mystical ideas. And that is the BIBLE of today, the one that you used in disregarding us. YOU OWED A LOT FROM US! ”
So what? Are all those scriptures yours? Were there catholics already during the time of Moses when the first 5 books were written?
You are so proud in doing that when you do not even understand the contents of the bible.
3. You said, “Our Church forefather’s wrote LOng Treatises condeming the Gnostics and their teachings. And they are succesful in destroying those writings. OUr bishops burned those heretical books and exiled those heretics.”
Yes, not only that. They also burned and killed those who did not believe in your killer forefathers (john 8:44)
4. You asked, “Where are you during those time? ”
We are very grateful to God that we were not there when you burned and killed all those people.
5. You said, “How dare you talked ILL of Us! You have no right! YOu are all nothing but a second grade …… _ _ _ _ _ _ _!”
Oh yes, we have! The bible gives us the authority to question you. You project that you subject yourselves under God’s word but it just does not reign in you.
I suggest that the next time you make arguments, PRESENT biblical verses. And not just baseless cowardice.
I also suggest that you watch how your cohort, Mr Froilan Garza of the St. Peter’s Men’s Society, HOPELESSLY defended your church in this site:
http://theoldpath.tv/videos.aspx#top
Notice that he only mentioned one verse in the entire debate. But you, not even one.
Excuse me? pwede ko bang itanong kung bakit hindi napo-post yung mesg ko? Ang haba pa naman nun…
This is the 2nd time na hindi na-post yung mga tinayp ko. Is there any filtering or something?
Sayang mga sinabi ko kay tumbok at catholic.
I am supposed to be #29 in this post.
Anyways. SsD pa rin… Sana ito ma-post na. tinatamad tuloy ako mag-comment.
To You Catholic,
Your reign here on earth is too long a time already. Claiming to be followers of Christ, I just can’t believe !!! I was once a catholic,my life with this religion was so unfortunate I was so frightened to die and there were lots of questions about life and human existence,as to why live then die and endless worries I was then in real hunger of finding the truth. Then one day I found myself in front of an ordinary looking person by the name of BRO. ELI SORIANO.
After four years I became a member sa AWA ng DIOS sa akin. Masyado na palang mahaba ang aking pagsusuri!!
Kaya sa ngayon I have no more worries. Salamat sa Dios sa pangalan ng Panginoong Hesukristo na aming Tagapagligtas.
To all ADD:
Wake up! foolish son!
All the mushroom churches of today came from us…… from Catholic Church.
Without us, you will not be here.
Without us, those heretics will be the rulers of today.
We did everthing to destroy them and their teachings to the point of Killing them all, just to preserve the teachings of our leader- that man who guided us from the very start in Antioch.
We did it for the sake of the teachings of our leader,that’s the right thing to do. If it means burning them at stake it’s OK! Our Goal is to preserve the writings & aims of our leader . You should appreciate what we did and not condemn us.
WE did it for the sake of Love for our leader, BEFORE GOD WE DO NOT LIE!
Can you blame us? We only imitate our leader!
OUr leader is domineering ( I cor. 11:16)
OUr leader is extremely vindictive individual (Galatian 5:12)
Our leader is covetous, jealous and even practiced deceit.
Catholic church is the mother, and all of you are only sons (branches.) But you became very disobedient that you even condemned your own mother who labored abundantly for the sake of our leader, you even quarell with your own brother and vice versa. We must stand together and not divided.
Come back prodigal son and let us join together against their forces.
Glory be to our leader!
we did not came from you… and you did not came from God…
YOU CAME FROM SATAN THE DEVIL; MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING! John 8:44
John 8:44
[44] Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
it is not true that without you, we are not present. Not all Filipinos, Americans, Romans, and other races came from you all.
And as you say: “WE did it for the sake of Love for our leader, BEFORE GOD WE DO NOT LIE! ” then you love your leader more than God. Because God commanded not to kill, even from the beginning, from the time of Moses.
Deuteronomy 5:6, 17
[6] I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
…
[17] Thou shalt not kill.
to love God is to obey or keep His commandments.
1 John 5:3
[3] For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
and (granting that Christ and the Father is one, without conceding,) He commanded us this:
Matthew 5:43-45
[43] Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. [44] But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; [45] That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
Matthew 5:21-22 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: [22] But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
and apostle John wrote this commandment (according to what he had seen and heard ):
1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
to hate your brother is also a murder. How much more on not your brother!
Rather than killing, what should we do to our fellowmen so we can obey God’s will?
Romans 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Did God commanded us to kill? NO! Instead, he told us to feed them if they hunger, and give them drink if they thirst.
it is shameful for you to defend someone who kills rather than those who were killed. It is not you who gave birth to us. Many did not know what is Catholicism, and never know the bible. AND WE WILL NOT ACCEPT YOUR CLAIM THAT WITHOUT YOU, WE WILL NOT BE HERE! MURDERERS!
I hope you understand my reply…
to catholic,
Whew!! grabe!! You guys( catholicS) have guts to say that because of your forefather …
you says: ( MGA WALANG UTANG NA LOOB! without us, you have no bible.)
hellooooo…. you didnt even know what is inside the bible, and lakas ng loob nyo sabihin yan.for centuries and untill now RCC members is still ignorant in the scriptures. proving that the bible is not meant for catholics, idolaters, murderers etc…. PARA LANG ITO SA NATATAKOT SA DIOS AT GUSTONG MALIGTAS!! (MALACHI 3:16) WAKE UP!!! READ YOUR BIBLE!!!HABANG ME PAGKAKATAON KA PA.
THANKS GOD BECAUSE OF BRO ELI!!!TO GOD BE THE GLORY FOREVER!!!!!
To Kaye and Catholic Friend (especially for you),
If you’re truly a christian and you follow what Christ and the Bible teaches, you will not do all of those things (evil). So do not compare true christians with those pastors (claiming to be of Christ) that you’re mentioning.
SsD
To God be the glory!!!
# 45
Francish: Now is the RCC a glorious CHURCH? NOT HAVING A SPOT OR WRINKE?HOW ABOUT HOLY? CAN YOU CALL SUCH KILLINGS HOLY? The answer is a BIG NO!!!.. how can you claim that such church is the true church when they have a DARK history of BURNING PEOPLE at stake? 68 million people died because of the Catholic inquisitions!!!
REPLY: Read: “………But if it makes no peace with you, but makes war against you, then YOU SHALL BESEIGE IT, AND WHEN THE LORD YOUR GOD GIVES IT INTO YOUR HAND YOU SHALL PUT ALL ITS MALES TO SWORD, BUT THE WOMEN AND THE LITTLE ONES, THE CATTLE, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN THE CITY ALL ITS SPOIL, YOU SHALL TAKE AS BOOTY FOR YOURSELVES, AND YOU SHALL ENJOY THE SPOIL OF YOUR ENEMIES, WHICH THE LORD HAS GIVEN YOU. THUS YOU WILL SHALL DO TO ALL THE CITIES WHICH ARE VERY FAR FROM YOU, WHICH ARE NOT CITIES OF THE NATIONS HERE. (Deut. 20: 10-15)
So, what’s your problem, If we did the same?
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# 54
Member: can you really say that you are not kneeling and bowing down before idols which was a graven image made by hands of men?isn’t it stupidity? you bought these images, relics then carried it to your house. make them a place for these idols and then worship it?even worst, the seller who happens to be a catholic, they pray also before those images that they sell!!!!!
REPLY: READ: “And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them ( Exodus 25:18).
God commanded them to make two cherubim of Gold, made by hands of men.
If we did the same, what’s your problem?
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to Catholic,
Is Exodus 25:18 your ultimate proof to justify catholic’s bowing and kneeling before idols, and to the extreme that you worship them? How foolish to use that verse as the basis of your faith about worshiping graven images. Why? Because those cherubims are made not to be worshiped but a mere decoration. And here comes catholics, make their own version of images and worship them.
Please review the comments here made by other posters. They gave so many verses from the Bible that God forbids man to worship idols. The verses they gave outweighs the verse from Exodus that you gave.
To our Sister and Brother Catholic,
We in the Church of God International love you. And we are praying hard for you that one day you will come out of darkness and into light. We want you to saved as we, hopefully with His mercy, will be saved. I earnestly request you to continue reading the blogs of our Bro. Eli and hearing his preaching in the TV and in the internet. By so doing, you may find the true way to salvation.
Read the Bible and understand it. If you have any questions or things you want clarified, don’t hesitate to consult Bro. Eli for the answers. He will very glad be of service to you. Read it from cover to cover and for sure you will come across of the things commanded by God which are being violated by the catholic church, like the graven images which is abominable to Him, the repetitious prayers, etc. Your catholic bible, as some say, is more complete as it is composed of more books–but the additional is insignificant and are not necessary to be there as they are not included in the original copy of the Bible.
My advice to you is to pay special attention to the verses cited above by the earlier commentators, and also that news item where the catholic church is going to pay $660M for the evil deeds commited by some of your priests. What kind of clergies are those? Are they of God or of satan? Of course they are of satan! It’s too bad–shocking and alarming!
I pray to God that He touches your heart and reforms you. That you may find the right way. May He pour upon you His love and abundant grace.
catholic,
Did God told the Israelites to worship or kneel down to those cherubims that God “commanded” for them to make??? And didn’t you noticed in the first verse that you supplied the part “but the WOMEN and the little ones”???
My brother, I prayed to God to open your eyes. I was a catholic before like you and to be honest when I first heard Brother Eli on the television, I did’nt believe everything he says at first. But I know deep in my heart on that very moment, that this man is different from other preachers I’ve seen because everything he says or whenever he answers questions regarding the scriptures he always answers from the bible. And I thank God for him because now I learn to read the Bible and I owe it to GOD not to the Roman Catholics!!!!
To GOD be the glory!!!!
So my unsolicited advice to you…magtanong ka na lang. Just ask Brother Eli.
Tan ta ra ran ta ra ran tan tan….
Mr. Soriano,
First off I would like to express my appreciation for your reply. Not all bloggers are obliged to read and react to commenters to their post, and your effort is indeed graciousness.
In respect for your reply, I give my reactions to some of your comments. As you yourself concede, we cannot discuss everything in a post but let me stick to what is most relevant for the topic at hand.
I am happy to say that we are of agreement that it is of primary importance to be sure that one’s faith and church bear truth; and yes, we are called to test everything and hold on to the good. It is for this very reason too, I am certain, that the Pope has the “nerve” (I say backbone!) to publish these documents. An individual is free to interpret Pope Benedict’s words negatively, maybe as narcisstic power tripping or even moralistic lashing, but I choose to see it as the humble but determined execution of the church’s responsibility to preserve the truth by clearly defining the line of orthodoxy as guidance for her faithful. Indeed, it is not a priviledge but a responsibility to declare truth, as am sure you yourself believe, for all who built upon the foundation of Christ would be made accountable come the end of time (1 Corinthians 3:12-15). As open-minded people I hope you or your readers would at least concede his good intentions, if not his teachings, as in our extremely secular times there is indeed room for “tough love.”
As for your comments, you said:
Dominus Iesus states that other churches (out of the Catholic Church) are not true churches, but merely ecclesiastical communities and therefore did not have the “means of salvation”…..If this does not mean that you are judging all churches outside of your alleged true church, is this camouflaged hypocrisy?
I have perused Dominus Iesus and have not found any line where where it said that other churches did NOT have the “means of salvation.” On the contrary, the following statements were made in humble recognition of salvation by God’s grace alone:
“Therefore, these separated Churches and communities as such, though we believe they suffer from defects, have BY NO MEANS been deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the spirit of Christ has NOT refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church”
In fact it even goes so far to say of non-Christians that God may bestow salvific grace “in ways known to Himself”.”
The document is here http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html for your reader’s verification. But it is to be noted that the exact phrase you stated is not there, you may have simply misread the document. This inaccurate mirror of papal documents is my initial grievance with your post if you would kindly remember.
As for the assertion of camouflaged hypocrisy, allow me to take this opportunity to clarify the Catholic position as best as I understand it. I hope I did not give anyone here the impression that by criticizing your “judge not” post, I am conceeding that she is of less truth than others. In fact, the words “defective” and “mere ecclesial communities” that you have found so offensive as applied to other Christian faiths are not to belittle other faiths but to assert that the fullness of the deposit of faith is in the Catholic Church. She honors Scripture, Sacred Tradition and Magisterium, as rightly so (but thats another debate). The Church is the right context to interpret Scripture as the Church existed before Scripture, she has kept many of the things that were taught but never written.
This is the Catholic assertion which I phrased in secular terms for your readers’ appeciation:
a. Christ established one true church—one body— for the purpose of salvation….Christ’s church has to be one.
b. There must be a grain of truth in some of Christian Churches that exist today because they retain some degree of Scriptural truth and genuine faith.
c. As there is only one Christ and one source of grace, and He built only one Church…all the efficacy of all these other churches stem from that one true church.
I do believe that Peter is commanded to be the authority in church. This is what Christ mean when He gave Peter, the rock where He will build His Church, the keys to the gates of heaven. At the very least concede that Christ had intended a shepherd that would unify the church and guide it with authority as we wait for His return. The present Catholic church is not contradictory to the early church, in fact the present church is the natural (even necessary) systematization of a growing church amidst heresy. Her doctrines developed through time, not by innovation, but because as more and more heretics rise, more and more clarifications had to be made. Paul’s churches were start up church, of course things will look different 2000 years later.
You mentioned Francis Cassilly’s book. Am sorry, I have not read it nor am I aware of the context where that image you posted has been lifted, so in the interest of avoiding making an uninformed statement, I would refrain from reacting to it. Perhaps the book is referring to the term “extra ecclesiam nulla salus” (Outside the Church there is no salvation) which has been used by popes pre-Vatican II? Yes, the Catholic Church did say this but keep in mind that its correct
understanding and interpretation demands a deeper discussion on ecclessiology than time and space can permit at the moment. The church has clarified her definition of this many a times already, the above discussion I have is my way of presenting its key concepts at least superficially.
As for the Inquisition (and the sex scandals and some questionable popes among other things), I find them grieving as well, but not indicative of the Catholic Church’s lack of grace. Sin exists in all places…in all churches. That there are bad mixed with the good in the Church of Christ is the result of the fact that while God is infalliable, men are falliable creatures who require justification. We wouldn’t need a Savior otherwise. And yes, sanctification takes time. Like the weeds that were allowed to grow with the plants, we wait for harvest time to separate them, but exerting all efforts to call them to holiness. That there are men in history who have executed evil in the name of God is not God’s abandonment either. Christ Himself had a bad apple in the 12. The same way I do not think less of marriage just because there are a handful of unfaithful men around, I see the good that media rarely glorifies in the church: her saints, her missionaries, her faithful lay and clergy. I know there are more Godly priests than ghastly ones for a fact, because my ministry takes me to almost all parishes in the country. It is of value even to note that in spite of all these sinful men, the Catholic Church has stood through the ages and was able to distill and impart the good in her official teachings, consistent with Christ promise never to leave His church or let the gates of hell destroy it.
Growing up. I personally felt as most here do, that God is not present in the Catholic Church. What we feel is irrelevant though. An objective reality will exist whether we feel its presence or not. More importantly, I realised that the moment I stopped being a mere Sunday Catholic…just a mass-goer for the sake of it rather than actively being a part of the church and reflecting on what is behind all her actions. When I began reading the Bible habitually I realised how much of the Bible I already knew! The Church has given me Scripture in all the ways she can think of…from readings to short stories, plays and pictures….her effort to reach everyone. How can she be accused of not being faithful?
My position is just one of many I suppose. If I am correct I pray that you may be helped by this post. If I am not, may God correct me.
kay
reply to post #66
Are those commandments that you cited given to catholic church? You kid yourself. If Moses did that it is because God commanded him to do so – for God can make them alive again if He wants to. But in your case catholic, you are not commanded by God to kill anyone. On that same bible where you had read about Moses, it is also written “THOU SHALL NOT KILL” did your forefathers obeyed it? or your church is choosy to what commandments they want to follow. wow! never in the entire bible did a true Christian kill someone. your forefathers are professing christians but they are denied by their works.
bout those cherubins. are they made to be worshipped? was it commanded to catholic church in the first place? do that verse nullifies what’s written on EXODUS?
Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; – Exo 20:4-5
you’re doing things contrary to what is written.
63 Catholic,
1. At one point you sounded really like a catholic.
2. a. On the second part, you sounded like one of ADVENTIST777 and WILLIAM.
b. Catholics regard Peter as their first pope, not Paul.
c. Your seemingly praises for the one you refer to as the leader, which is obviously Paul, are double-faced. I think it is you who is a hypocrite and a chameleon.
3. As a conclusion, SDAC’s mother is really RCC. MRS WHITE’s children have become disobedient to her to the point of COPYING what MARTIN LUTHER suggested.
66 Catholic,
1. Your answer to #45. You said, “So, what’s your problem, If we did the same? ”
Was it the RCC who was instructed to do Deut 20:10-15? Are you God’s people? Your doctrines and practices will tell that you are not. They are even against the bible.
2. Your answer to #54. You said, “God commanded them to make two cherubim of Gold, made by hands of men.
If we did the same, what’s your problem? ”
In Exo 25:18, was there any commandment to bow unto cherubims of gold and alike?
God commanded His people NOT TO BOW unto graven images.
Deuteronomy 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
But RCC instructed their members to KNEEL AND BOW everytime they wake up of bed, even venerate those things, which have touched their man-made saints. Can you imagine venerating your saints’ underwears, etc…? If ever they have? Foolishness! Stupidity!
TO CATHOLIC
THIS ONE CAME STRAIGHT FROM YOU: “We did everthing to destroy them and their teachings to the point of Killing them all”
“… KILLING THEM ALL?” HA ?! ARE YOU NUTS ?
PARDS….. EASY KA LANG TSONG, NAPAPADALAS NA YATA PAGINOM MO NG KAPE EH
DI MO NA NAIINTINDIHAN PINAGSASASABI MO EH.
YOU’RE NOW TALKING ABOUT MURDERING PEOPLE NA EH.
DI KABA NAKAKAHALATA ?
ALAM MO ANG THINKING NG MABUTING KRISTIYANO. KUNG AYAW EH DI HUWAG PILITIN, AYAW EH…
HINDI PINAPATAY, ENGOT !
HUWAG NYONG PATAYIN, KUNG AYAW, EH MUKHANG NAKAHALATA UNG MGA FOREFATHERS NYONG MAGAGALENG, ALAM MO KUNG ANO ALTERNATIBO NYO? BINAUTISMUHAN NYO YUNG MGA SANGGOL… UNG MGA BABY, EH DI WALA NGA NAMANG TAKAS. WALANG TANGGI. ? ANONG TAWAG MO RON?
ALAM MO ANG DAMI NYONG KASALANAN, LALO NA YUNG MGA PAPA NYO SA ROMA…. GUSTO KO TULOY MANIWALA NA PART PARIN NG CATHOLIC INQUISITION YUNG MGA GERA SA MIDDLE EAST EH, HINDI DAPAT GANON. KAYA MAGULO EH
DINIDISPLAY NYO LANG KSE SA ESTANTE AT TUKADOR YANG MGA BIBLIA NYO EH. BASAHIN NYO KSE !!!
BASAHIN NYO, BASAHIN NYO, BASAHIN NYO !!!
OR BETTER YET, MAKINIG NALANG KAYO SA Kapatid na Soriano namin
FYI NGA PALA WERE GOING MORE HI-TECH NGA PALA
ABANGAN NYO LANG
Dear catholic friends,
I have carefully read your comments,well if your surprise or maybe hurt by bro. eli’s declaration from the bible, thats a blessing for you. These things are hidden from you, now a messenger from God open such ideas that never enters your mind. God loves you,some people died without knowing this things. Take it us a gift from God, and pray that God would guide you to understand Him further.Listen to this God given messenger and for sure you will understand.
To my Filipino Catholic brothers:
Why do you wish to defend the faith where Dr. Jose Rizal never believed in it?
he said it in a letter to the women of Malolos to scrutinize religions.
he attacks Catholic beliefs there.
Do you believe in our hero’s wisdom.
I can surely assure to you that you can find the Church that is of God because Christ promised:
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Matthew 7:7
King James Version
God always look to see if some men are looking for him stated in:
God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
Psalms 53:2
King James Version
So it’s 100% assurance that you can find a Church that is of God. a disciplined, Biblical and it’s beliefs are irrefutable or unsurpassable to other religious groups.
you know if you think that there is no more True Church than Catholicsm, you better stay as a Freelancer like Dr. Rizal did.
I cant agree that is the Church of God.
first, Its beliefs and practices are against in the Scriptures. It’s not similar what is in the Bible.
second, majority of the members are unbelievers or sons of the devil.
third, Catholic members are not knowledgeable in the Bible like my ADD friends are.
last, majority of Catholic nations are corrupt, drug infested and overty is rampant.
being a Catholic is equivalent of being a puppet to priests’ commands and ignorant of the Bible. (I may a Catholic even today (even I’m an ADD supporter) but inside of me is a Biblical believer and knowledgeable.)
pls. dont pretend you dont know the anomalies in our Church or God will send you to hell.
like I said, If you dont like ADD, better stay as a Freelancer like Dr. Rizal.
but I can say that If you believe that Bible is God’s books and Word of God, you’ll surely not believe anymore to Catholic faith.
but if you insist of being a “fanatic” in Catholic.
you’re not a Christian but a “fanatical pagan”
it is the effect of idol worshiping stated in:
Their idols are silver and gold, the work of men’s hands.
They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:
They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:
They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.
THEY THAT MAKE THEM ARE LIKE UNTO THEM; SO IS EVERY ONE THAT TRUSTETH IN THEM
Psalms 115:4-8
King James Version
This is my comment here. I hope that my fellow Catholic brother shall enlighten.
Again my advice is IF YOU DONT LIKE ADD, STAY AS A BIBLICAL FREELANCER LIKE I”M DOING.
unable to renounce this faith is equivalent of being a fanatic and candidate to be burned to hellfire.
To Catholic,
post#63
You’re very proud of what you did, even saying that you did so because of your leader even citing verses out of context.
Your leader is definitely not Jesus Christ of the Bible.
We’re sorry, you should not be calling on us to come back since God’s mercy had opened our eyes to come to the knowledge of the Truth.
However, continue on reading…. keep an open mind and God will do the rest.
to catholic,
you said:
God commanded them to make two cherubim of Gold, made by hands of men.
If we did the same, what’s your problem?
TSK! TSK! TSK!… MR. CATHOLIC, YOU KNOW WHAT WE ARE SAYING HERE… IT JUST YOUR PRIDE… SWALLOW IT. ACCEPT THE TRUTH.. ADMIT THAT YOU GUYS ARE VERY WRONG… YOU GUYS R NOT DOING THE SAME THING. YOURS IS PAGANISM!!!
To all the Catholics,
I request you all to just open your heart, read your bible, listen to Bro. Eli, and compare the teachings you have right now and you will see for yourself that you are indeed in the wrong side. Christianity for your information did not come from you catholics, am sorry to say. Have pity on your souls seek and read your bible (Isa 34:16)
emhj
To ADD,
History is history, my beloved pope apologized already for Killing those Heretics. I just want you to know that even God who commanded “thou shall not kill” committed killing in the name of his people and truth.
We are not saying that Killing is to be instituted, But please understand we need to kill them, or else, we’ll lose the edge. The Gnostics and the like, are like serpent, their doctrine were like plague, many people during those time agreed on them. They had a strong evidences that we are indeed not the true Ekklesia founded by Jesus Christ, Even Celsus admitted it. We even excommunicated one of our forefather- Origen because of the influence of gnosticism in him. WE did it for the sake of our leader and in reality you need to appreciate what we did, we labored more and nowadays you reap the fruits of our labor. So do not condemn us, WE DID ONLY WHAT IS NECESSARY!
WE are the MOTHER, and the rest of you are only our Sons, that’s the TRUTH! YOu can deny it a 100x, but that’s the truth. Your so called affiliation to the ekklesia of Jesus is not true also, because all of us are affiliated to our leader and our preaching is the living witness, BEFORE GOD WE DO NOT LIE. In our spiritual discourses in our churches, we quoted from HIM most of the time than any of the apostles.
The graven images and the like are also commanded by God, even making a fiery serpent for the good of his people.
“And the lord said to MOses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole, and evey one who is bitten when he sees it, shall live (Numbers 21:8 RSV).
Please be open-minded and understand that we are not bowing per se to the cemented statue. Look in our heart and see the intensity of our devotion and longing to be with God.
for e.g. Your mother is working abroad, you look at her picture, tears flows in your heart while kissing her picture, are you in love with that picture? or it is the thought of your mother that made you cry? Members of Church of God international do not underestimate our Devotion to God. WE know what we are doing, WE are not idiot & closed-minded as you presented. WE LABORED MORE ABUNDANTLY THAN ANY OF YOU FOR THE LOVE OF OUR LEADER.
IN short, if what you see by the eye doesnt please you then close your eyes and see from the heart, coz the heart can see beauty and love more than the eyes can ever wonder.
Brothers and sisters in Church of God international, History is history, the key is open your heart and thought. We did it for the sake of preserving the teachings & gospel of our beloved leader, Look at your bible it is more pauliad than christiad, that’s the result of our efforts. WE did it! DO NOT CONDEMN US, IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND. – Appreciate what we did. – NAKIKINABANG KAYO NGAUN NG DAHIL SA AMIN.
Let us stand together, against THEM. – they are here again, and they will not stop to get their own “property”, that we stole from them. We must not divided, If satan’s kingdom is divided it will not stand. So let us join once again, Come back to us, my son!
To ADD,
History is history, my beloved pope apologized already for Killing those Heretics. I just want you to know that even God who commanded “thou shall not kill” committed killing in the name truth and for the sake of his people
We are not saying that Killing is to be instituted, But please understand we need to kill them, or else, we’ll lose the edge. The Gnostics and the like, are like serpent, their doctrine were like plague, many people during those time agreed on them. They had a strong evidences that we are indeed not the true Ekklesia founded by Jesus Christ, Even Celsus admitted it. We even excommunicated one of our forefather- Origen because of the influence of gnosticism in him. WE did it for the sake of our leader and in reality you need to appreciate what we did, we labored more and nowadays you reap the fruits of our labor. So do not condemn us, WE DID ONLY WHAT IS NECESSARY!
WE are the MOTHER, and the rest of you are only our Sons, that’s the TRUTH! YOu can deny it a 100x, but that’s the truth. Your so called affiliation to the ekklesia of Jesus is not true also, because all of us are affiliated to our leader and our preaching is the living witness, BEFORE GOD WE DO NOT LIE. In our spiritual discourses in our churches, we quoted from HIM most of the time than any of the apostles.
The graven images and the like are also commanded by God, even making a fiery serpent for the good of his people.
“And the lord said to MOses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole, and evey one who is bitten when he sees it, shall live (Numbers 21:8 RSV).
Please be open-minded and understand that we are not bowing per se to the cemented statue. Look in our heart and see the intensity of our devotion and longing to be with God.
for e.g. Your mother is working abroad, you look at her picture, tears flows in your heart while kissing her picture, are you in love with that picture? or it is the thought of your mother that made you cry? Members of Church of God international do not underestimate our Devotion to God. WE know what we are doing, WE are not idiot & closed-minded as you presented. WE LABORED MORE ABUNDANTLY THAN ANY OF YOU FOR THE LOVE OF OUR LEADER.
IN short, if what you see by the eye doesnt please you then close your eyes and see from the heart, coz the heart can see beauty and love more than the eyes can ever wonder.
Brothers and sisters in Church of God international, History is history, the key is open your heart and thought. We did it for the sake of preserving the teachings & gospel of our beloved leader, Look at your bible it is more pauliad than christiad, that’s the result of our efforts. WE did it! DO NOT CONDEMN US, IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND. – Appreciate what we did. – NAKIKINABANG KAYO NGAUN NG DAHIL SA AMIN.
Let us stand together, against THEM. – they are here again, and they will not stop to get their own “property”, that we stole from them. We must not divided, If satan’s kingdom is divided it will not stand. So let us join once again, Come back to us, my son!
from kay
(with verses that I can throw back at you as well!);
i was waiting what are those verses she said that she can throw back to brother eli? come on Kay, say it, throw it.
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to catholic,
I was once a catholic, actually, for more than 39 years of my life was with the catholic. I was once a “sakristan” in our church, a helper in a convent of a “eligious order of mary”
Friend, let us clear some point in history. where was this RCC (roman catholic church) came from? Perhaps i should agree with you when you said “KILLING THEM” the heretics, because of following your leader, the founder of the RCC, is that right.
Now, i said I agree because from ROME you went to JERUSALEM in the middle east and KILLING those founders and followers of CHRISTIANITY, crucifying the leader of the Church, killing and persecuting the remaining leaders, the members was burned alive some were thrown to the lions. and should i guess, on whose order, its your LEADER from Rome.
YOU WERE NOT different from them, your leader of the past “Trying to Keep something they do not OWN”. LET US STAND TOGETHER, AGAINST THEM.-THEY ARE HERE AGAIN, AND THEY WILL NOT STOP TO GET THEIR OWN “PROPERTY”, THAT WE STOLE FROM THEM.
Again, please think of this, RCC from ROME ITALY, CHRISTIANITY from Jerusalem in the Middle East. Who should keep the Bible, the believers or the follower of the founder of Christianity or THE ROMANS that KILLS, persecute and distroying the contents of the Bible by not following the commandments written in it.
NOw to sum it up, your LEADERS are from ROME (Killers) ours from HEAVEN (was killed) born in flesh at Jersusalem. Its a big big difference.
to catholic so u mean we love your leader not directly to god?
To 63;
Before I forgot, can you mention a verse in the Bible the exact word of “catholic”? Nasa biblia nga ba maging ng ibang pananampalatayang gumagamit ng biblia? Sana wag u sabihin na hindi iyon mahalaga. dont be a foolish from that point, ginawa mo naman atheist ang sarili mo sa ganoong lagay.
To Catholic,
YOU SAID: WE are the MOTHER, and the rest of you are only our Sons, that’s the TRUTH! YOu can deny it a 100x, but that’s the truth. Your so called affiliation to the ekklesia of Jesus is not true also, because all of us are affiliated to our leader and our preaching is the living witness, BEFORE GOD WE DO NOT LIE.
I beg to disagree with you. You are not our mother! It may be probable that you have daughters but definitely we are not one of them.
Revelation 17:5 “And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. ”
This is your true identity: The Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth!
What does this woman, do?
Revelations 17:6 “And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.”
With your affirmation and acceptance of killing hundreds of thousands of people, the prophecy is exactly being fulfilled in your church.
In truth, people are actually commanded to get our from your church to be saved!
Revelation 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.”
Christians have their own mother, and it’s definitely not the Catholic Church!
It is not true that those people whom you have killed are all gnostics as you claim to say! Why ask forgiveness, if that were so? One truth is very much visible, your church is guilty of crimes and murder!
You have killed so many people not because they were against God’s will but yours! That is why you killed them!
Those who want to read the Bible, you forbid them.
Those who are against idolatry, you killed them.
Those who are against corruption, you tortured them.
But:
Those who are promoters of liquor, you love them.
Those who are adulterers, you consent them.
Those who are corrupt, you never excommunicate.
You are certainly guilty! THAT IS WHY YOUR POPE BEGGED FOR FORGIVENESS!
Foolish Catholic!
TO COMMENT # 80
PLEASE COMPARE THE DOCTRINES OF THE CHURCH OF GOD INTERNATIONAL AGAINST R.C.C.. THEIR IS A HUGE DIFFRENCES OF SALVATION. OUR ORIGIN IS FROM THE BIBLE… WE ARE MEMBERS OF THE 1ST CENTURY CHURCH. NOT AS YOU PROCLAIMED IT.
Brethrens in faith,
Beware of poster, CATHOLIC.
His writings are like that of ADVENTIST777, WILLIAM, and those of SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH.
Catholicism is really the mother of SDAC.
The latter are really hypocrites, just like the former. The former prays in places they may be seen of men. The same thing ADVENTIST777 did when he prayed in his post to be known, just showing who the real chameleon really is.
Matthew 6:5 ¶And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
“The fact that they DO NOT UNDERSTAND what JESUS (WHOM THEY SAY THEY BELIEVE – though I doubt it) said, makes no wonder why they DO NOT UNDERSTAND what PAUL (WHOM THEY DO NOT BELIEVE) wrote.”
None of the wicked shall really understand.
Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
1. Wicked are those people who pose as a catholic but is really against the apostle paul. Notice what he said:
“Look at your bible it is more pauliad than christiad, that’s the result of our efforts.”
…PAULIAD THAN CHRISTIAD?
2. He also said, “Look in our heart and see the intensity of our devotion and longing to be with God.”
See how ignorant of the bible is this poster! He is asking us to look in their hearts when according to the bible:
Jeremiah 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
3. He said, “Let us stand together, against THEM. – they are here again, and they will not stop to get their own “property”, that we stole from them. We must not divided, If satan’s kingdom is divided it will not stand. So let us join once again, Come back to us, my son!”
a. See? He is implying here that ADD is the son, as made clear by his address in the beginning, “To ADD,”.
b. He is also implying that together with catholicism, ADD STOLE the property.
c. Look at how he made the word, ‘THEM’ bold. He is implying here that THEY ARE THAT THEM.
d. Also notice he mentioned satan’s kingdom and also mentioned the pronoun WE. See? This poster is NOT REALLY A CATHOLIC. Even satan’s ministers pose as ministers of righteousness.
4. He also said, “WE are the MOTHER, and the rest of you are only our Sons, that’s the TRUTH! ”
Notice the word, ‘WE’ in bold. That speaks something else.
5. He said, “WE LABORED MORE ABUNDANTLY THAN ANY OF YOU FOR THE LOVE OF OUR LEADER.”
This is a familiar phrase of Paul, which they are against of. ADVENTIST, WILLIAM, and their COHORTS from SDAC OF MRS WHITE, are against PAUL.
You should have a clue as to who might this poster really is. This is one of them.
6. Notice also this, “because all of us are affiliated to our leader and our preaching is the living witness, BEFORE GOD WE DO NOT LIE.”
See? This is a familiar phrase again of Paul. And look at HOW he uses it – IN BOLD – stressing his point.
7. This man is a liar, a hypocrite, just like his father, the devil.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
LIAR! HYPOCRITE!
Hahaha! another Dave Hunt issue. Can’t ADD come up with their own argument? Besides, If not the RCC then God is not compassionate at all since we have to wait for Eli Soriano to be born and help us with salvation. Which ever way I don’t think Jesus died just to wait 2000 years later to have a true church. Interesting isn’t it?
Oh by the way! Should I blame Christ for calling Judas as a disciple? Because following the ADD logic Christ’ congregation is unworthy to be followed that’s because He had Judas the betrayer, Peter who denied and a tax collector whom Christ said is a sinner.
Hehe Kay,
Am not Catholic, but reading your post, u r correct! 1 need not go far to point out elis soriano’s lack of credibility in understanding what he attacks!
I hope other readers follow orig docu link n compare dominus iesus and soriano’s commentary. If he can’t get even something that simple right…how can we trust him to get other things right?
…dont let hero worship cloud ur judgment…
lish
TO: Catholic
can I ask something?
If the Roman Catholic Empire navigator has been late for 1 century here in the Philippines.
can we still now be called a prodigal son?
can we still now be called a christian dominated country in asia?
what we should we worship now?
is the battle of “a sharp twoedged sword” between our church(MCGI) and INC can be exist?
is mushroom is like a bone/word?
is dogs is like a ministers?
as it that if you are talking the word of GOD they are barking you and telling you that you are a puppy and you need to eat more?
is this the product of the leader which you mention which started in antioch? —- which means they are all dogs barking each other just for the bones and behind the bones?
I think there is a mystery here Mr. Catholic as like ….777 equal to Rev120.
But don’t worry by just this only certain time I’m treat myself as a young child.
“Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest:”
Freeeeeeeeeeeeedommmmmmmm…….!
EYES
To you Catholic,
Catholics claims to be Christians but, their just a claim. Christians and Catholics are very different to one another.
Christians believes, follows and embraces Christian teachings faithfully, while Catholics remains to be a claiming Christians ( Luke 6:46 ). Thy name (CATHOLIC ) justifies they are not real Christians, stop pretending to be one it’s a pole apart.
To Kay,
I appreciate your time in responding on the article of Br Eli.I suggest you dig up more on the information about him.I am a regular listener and reader to all of his preachings and I have proven the way he utter words,all are biblical .Please do not underestimate his statements against other religion.Spend more time reading …..
Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
Bregards,
Alvin
CATHOLIC
you know…
i hope God will open your heart…
i was just like you before… try nio po magsuri… pretty sure! maliliwanagan po kayo… utos po kc satin yun, and i know that this is not an accident na nandito po kayo posting your comments…
all things work together po (Romans 8:28)
ipanalangin nio po yan…
kc aq dati, 9 months ago…. basta, i prayed whole heartedly, that i want Him to take me to the place where i could be with Him, where He can make me like Him…
and then yun nga…
basta po manalangin po kayo…
hindi panalanging kabisado po ha… ung tlgng kayo po tlg, pagkataong loob nio po… gotcha!?
cge po til here!
To roman catholic:
After a long period of killing christians from 31 to 313 A.D.
the cruel pagan rome leaders were exhausted because they
could not totally terminate the christians.They decided to
change their strategy.They stopped killing christians and es-
tablished freindship with them.
Emperor Constantine called the christian leaders for a peace
talk. He found new idea to conquer the army of christ.He was
baptized to christianity with an infiltrating purpose to blend
the doctrines of christianity with paganism.He offered favour
to the christians such as good site of land to dwell in,good
employments and positions in the cities as long as they would
consent to his proposals.
To catholic:
(Christians and pagans)- The organization of this mixed church
had been fastly done in every state under the Roman empire.
And the power that directs the church comes from a man called
“pope”.This man possessed great power over kings and his voice could kill the strongest man.Since the leaders of Rome
were greatly involved in the plan of infiltration,the Pope as he
himself a leader of Rome was so powerful over the whole empire.
The religion,the mixed church was later called “Catholic Church”.This church was so powerful.Within 1,250 years, her
leadership swayed over the nations of the world.
To Catholic:
Kings under the Roman regiment and every one was forced
to take the spirit of catholicism.Those christians who have chosen catholicism remain in the cities and live happily with their love ones,but those true christians who didn’t wan’t their
faith to be stained with infiltrated doctrines fled to the moun-
tains and found their freedom of worship in the caves.
that’s why the catholic said,”WALANG UTANG NA LOOB”
Catholic are not true religion according to this history!
JAMES 1:27.
TO GOD BE THE GLORY!
To Catholic :
Now remember that the Bible is the truth.God accept’s
only the truth,hears the prayers of the people who are in the
truth,and will bless only the people with the truth.
READ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MARC.7:7
DON’T LISTENED TO THE FALLES DOCTRINE AND PREACHER’S!
HAVE FEAR TO GOD ALMIGHTY!
TO GOD BE THE GLORY
Everyone,
Beware of poster, CATHOLIC. His writings are like that of ADVENTIST777, WILLIAM, and those of SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH.
Catholicism is really the mother of SDAC.
The latter are really hypocrites, just like the former. The former prays in places they may be seen of men. The same thing ADVENTIST777 did when he prayed in his post to be known, just showing who the real chameleon really is.
Matthew 6:5 ¶And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
“The fact that they DO NOT UNDERSTAND what JESUS (WHOM THEY SAY THEY BELIEVE – though I doubt it) said, makes no wonder why they DO NOT UNDERSTAND what PAUL (WHOM THEY DO NOT BELIEVE) wrote.”
None of the wicked shall really understand.
Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
1. Wicked are those people who pose as a catholic but is really against the apostle paul. Notice what he said:
“Look at your bible it is more pauliad than christiad, that’s the result of our efforts.”
…PAULIAD THAN CHRISTIAD?
2. He also said, “Look in our heart and see the intensity of our devotion and longing to be with God.”
See how ignorant of the bible is this poster! He is asking us to look in their hearts when according to the bible:
Jeremiah 17:10 I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
3. He said, “Let us stand together, against THEM. – they are here again, and they will not stop to get their own “property”, that we stole from them. We must not divided, If satan’s kingdom is divided it will not stand. So let us join once again, Come back to us, my son!”
a. See? He is implying here that ADD is the son, as made clear by his address in the beginning, “To ADD,”.
b. He is also implying that together with catholicism, ADD STOLE the property.
c. Look at how he made the word, ‘THEM’ bold. He is implying here that THEY ARE THAT THEM.
d. Also notice he mentioned satan’s kingdom and also mentioned the pronoun WE. See? This poster is NOT REALLY A CATHOLIC. Even satan’s ministers pose as ministers of righteousness.
4. He also said, “WE are the MOTHER, and the rest of you are only our Sons, that’s the TRUTH! ”
Notice the word, ‘WE’ in bold. That speaks something else.
5. He said, “WE LABORED MORE ABUNDANTLY THAN ANY OF YOU FOR THE LOVE OF OUR LEADER.”
This is a familiar phrase of Paul, which they are against of. ADVENTIST, WILLIAM, and their COHORTS from SDAC OF MRS WHITE, are against PAUL.
You should have a clue as to who might this poster really is. This is one of them.
6. Notice also this, “because all of us are affiliated to our leader and our preaching is the living witness, BEFORE GOD WE DO NOT LIE.”
See? This is a familiar phrase again of Paul. And look at HOW he uses it – IN BOLD – stressing his point.
7. This man is a liar, a hypocrite, just like his father, the devil.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
LIAR! HYPOCRITE!
42 Catholic
TO ALL ADD,
Wake up sleepy lazy goats! WE LABORED MORE ABUNDANTLY THAN ANY OF YOU! All of you (All the Churches) are like MUshrooms.
you are included in that mushrooms cathy… now you claim that you labored more ABUNDANTLY than us. now the question is… what kind of labor did you do? is it laboring according God’s will, or laboring according man’s percepts(Mark 7:7)? tiyak na tiyak ang sagot mo jan mali hehehe.
also, if you labor this much, st peter said:
Gayon din naman sa lahat ng kaniyang mga sulat, na doo’y sinasalita ang mga bagay na ito; na doo’y may ilang bagay na mahirap unawain, na isinisinsay ng mga di nakaaalam at ng mga walang tiyaga, na gaya rin naman ng kanilang ginagawa sa ibang mga kasulatan, sa ikapapahamak din nila.
II Pedro 3:16
yung mga “walang tiyaga” nasisinsay yun (they commit errors), now the question again is… what is the meaning of holy kiss (I Corinthians 16:20)? if you err in the meaning of that holy kiss then it automatically means that you are the ones na walang tiyaga at tamad.
WE compiled all those scriptures and disregard those spurios manuscripts having mystical ideas. And that is the BIBLE of today, the one that you used in disregarding us. YOU OWED A LOT FROM US!
Our Church forefather’s wrote LOng Treatises condeming the Gnostics and their teachings. And they are succesful in destroying those writings. OUr bishops burned those heretical books and exiled those heretics.
yeah you also burned not only the books but also the authors of those books.
you have nothing to get angry cathy, why? because even without you, God has the will and power to make the bible as it is today.
regarding your:And they are succesful in destroying those writings., your catholic church also tried to destroyed the bible by teaching unbiblical doctrines CONTRARY to what the bible states.
Where are you during those time?
How dare you talked ILL of Us! You have no right! YOu are all nothing but a second grade …… _ _ _ _ _ _ _!
where are us? we are still in the loins of our forefathers that time. if you dedicate this message to all, then you also saying that Kay is also nothing (see, ibinintang niya pero siya pala nagsasabi na nothing kami)
anyway, we owe never in your forefathers. like i said, it is still another false church reigns whether it is a catholic church or a gnostic or a “christian” church dominates today. so shut up. and dont bring people to damnation
To kaye, #70
You see kaye, you yourself doubt if you are correct or wrong. I’m sorry to say but you have so many erroneous and baseless declaration in your reply. Imagine saying that the catholic church has kept many the things that were taught but never written? Can you mention some? And how did you know that those things are taught to us by God?
To Mike (102).
Hi Mike 🙂
You asked for an example of something the Catholic Church has kept but was never wriiten, and how do I know that they are of God.
I personally believe in the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. I believe that when I go to communion I take the real body and blood of Jesus Christ in a Passover meal, as is His intention. The Catholic Church has maintained this belief over the decades.
How do I know this teaching is of God? Because the early Church Fathers, who lived with the apostles themselves and heard them personally preach, say so. Of course it is possible they have been wrong, misinterpreted the apostles or perhaps part of the early apostasy INC is claiming (am not sure if you argue early apostasy as well), but if I were a betting person, I would stake my salvation on an interpretation of the early fathers who heard the apostle speak rather than an interpretation several centuries away from the original context of the Bible.
St Ignatius of Antioch for example in his Epistle to the Church at Smyrna, wrote about the gnostics: “Charity is no concern to them, nor are widows and orphans or the oppressed . . .They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins and which, in his goodness, the Father raised . . .”
Though his epistle never made it to the Canon of the Bible, Ignatius heard the Apostle John himself preach. He was speaking to the same churches the apostles were speaking to. Furthermore, Ignatius died a martyr’s death, executed for being a Christian, which increases the chances that he believed he spoke truly. Why would a person die for a faith he considered a lie?
This may be all speculation. But like I said, if I were to bet my salvation, I would rather believe in St. Ignatius’ than preachers and scholars several years later.
Other church fathers who spoke about this matter may be found here. http://www.catholicfaithandreason.org/fathersoneucharist.htm
The Catholic Church has existed for thousands of years over so many countries with billions of members. This is one of the reason why one is able to name questionable members and questionable acts in her name in the course of history. After all, if statistically there is one bad seed in a million, given how many Catholics there are all over the world living and dead, certainly one can bring up millions of bad seeds. I don’t find them in any way proof that a church is not of God, less I judge others when I myself am unworthy.
God bless.
Kay
very nice
Sis Kay,
St Ignatius of Antioch for example in his Epistle to the Church at Smyrna, wrote about the gnostics: “Charity is no concern to them, nor are widows and orphans or the oppressed . . .They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins and which, in his goodness, the Father raised . . .”
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Sister this is an abomination, try to look these:
Message of our lord Jesus christ when he is in earth:
“For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.” (Matthew 26:11)
Message of our lord Jesus christ in judgement day:
“Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. (Matthew 25:45)
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you are discussing about eucharist?
“Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.” (Juan 6:53)
do you know what this BREAD?
Then Jesus called his disciples unto him, and said, I have COMPASSION on the multitude, because they continue with me now three days, and have nothing to eat: and I will not send them away fasting, lest they faint in the way. (Matthew 15:32)
“And he took the seven loaves and the fishes, and GAVE thanks, and brake them, and GAVE to his disciples, and the disciples to the multitude.” (Matthew 15:36)
do you know what this BLOOD?
“But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out BLOOD and WATER. ” (Juan 19:34)
“For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” (Matthew 26:28)
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” (John:3:5)
“…………………, thou hast no part with me.” (John:13:8)
so, you must be baptist and walk with us hand in hand while singing song #60.
as song #60 is “The lord is within us” or “Emmanuel”
EYES
kay,
you dont know the real meaning of communion. i am sorry. you are very much mislead by the catholic church.
to catholic,
sleepy lazy goats? baka kayo yun, ano ba ang ginagawa nyong kabanalan na tama sa biblia? hinid ba kayo, isang oras lang ang misa nyo? dinadaya nyo pa? sino ang tamad? alam mo, bulag na bulag ka sa katothonan, kasi mapagsamba ka sa mga diosdiosan.
II Corinto 4:4 “Na binulag ng dios ng sanglibutang ito ang mga pagiisip ng mga hindi nagsisisampalataya, upang sa kanila’y huwag sumilang ang kaliwanagan ng evangelio ng kaluwalhatian ni Cristo, na siyang larawan ng Dios. “
Hi Kay,
I felt your sincerest feelings upon reading your comments 🙂
If you have time, do attend God’s doctrines being discussed by Bro Eli.
I believe most of our confusions will be answered clearly there.
Amen!
to catholic
you said because of the catholics thats why there is bible.
……….
then why theres no catholics mention in the bible?…
hey catholic…search from genisis to revelation….
if you saw 1 verse iwill treat you 1 week vacation in burj al
arab hotel here in dubai…..start searching…pls catholic
defenders help her
I enjoyed reading every word that you wrote. I didn’t know that Jesus handed Peter the Keys to the Gate of Heaven. Now the reason I came to your site is that an important message has been sent down, just like a News Update. Please read and pass it along. I have a message to tell you about Revelation. The message is from God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost sent in the Spring of 2006. It is about the meaning of First is Last and Last is First. The message is this: In the morning I go to Heaven. In the afternoon I live my life. In the evening I die, death. What does this mean? In other words this means Birth is Last and Last is Birth. To understand this don’t think from point A to point B. Think of this as a continous circle of life. Birth, Life, Death, Birth. God also said that Judgment will be before Birth in Heaven. AS birth on Earth is painful so will birth in Heaven. It is possible that this message was delivered by one of God’s Angels. Yes, God has recently made contact and he sent a messenger. Spread this message along, just like a chain letter. Tell two people. Oh, one more thing of interest. Did you know that Mike Douglas died on his Birthday. Melanie Steffen
To all Catholics,
I used to be a member of catholic church, a real member – a devotee of Mary and Baclaran… but I am not proud of it!
I thank God because I was pulled out!
I just want to ask my used to be allies in the catholic church the following:
– Have you ever asked your priest if you could share the wine he’s drinking?
– Why is it that you are only given that small piece of “bread”?
Ang dadamot naman nila, no?
– Have you ever asked your nuns why they wear coverings in their head and you as a plain member, a layman don’t?
This is absurd …because the nuns claim that it is their way to be “holy” in front of their god!
– What about the “just members” they are not being holy in front of God?
Preposterous! Outrageous!
– Why is it that they just thought of implementing a proper dress code inside the church?
Nakita ata nila sa mga taga-dating daan yun e… Sabi siguro nila.. teka, teka, ang gaganda ng mga babae sa Ang Dating Daan… magaya nga!
– Why is it that when you go to their “simbahan” there are a lot of homeless people being “shew shew” away by the church guards?
… utos daw ni parish priests e… grrrrrrrr… then, when you check their rooms…wow! air-conditioned with a personal refrigerator full of luscious, succulent, juicy tropical fruits! Hataw! wait! wait! wait! don’t forget the imported and mouth-watering chocolates!
– Is that the way Christ wants us to treat the needy, the homeless?
Gracious!
In fairness, I have known religious people in the Catholic Church who I can say are those “tupang ligaw na wala pa sa kulungan” kulungan ni Kristo sa tunay na Iglesia ng Dios!
I pity them…they are kind, humble, giver indeed! I pray that they will soon be called in the true church of God.
– Bakit kayo nagtitiis dyan!
You saw the cruelty!
You were exposed and stillbeing exposed to the ever-changing teachings of the popes!
Come on people, open don’t just open your eyes!
Look deeply!
Be critical!
– Are you not worry of what would happen to your souls?
– When will you stop pretending that yours is the true church?
– When will you stop saying, “Kung saan ka nakahanap ng katahimikan dun ka na….”
– When will you realize that your pope is just fooling you?
– How many times do you still need to be reminded of the cruelty of your church?
– Did you not understand the history of that church?
Haaaay!
Keep on reading! Keep on listening! Please! Not to your priests but to God!
– When will you understand this fact: Jesus is our brother, and your priest is the FATHER?!
Come on!
God bless!
Bro. Eli,
I thank God for that precious gift…. YOU!
Noreen
Another good point here is that the Holy Trinity talked to someone that is not in the Church. God did not talk to the Pope. Now I like the Pope, but I think that is funny as heck. God went around the Pope.
to Jay-r cute este cute talaga este Cruz pala,
ok so you are telling us we accused you and your Church wrongfully? then prove to us that kneeling to an image is really commanded by God…isn’t it contradicting to Deut 5:8-9
Thou shalt not make thee [any] graven image, [or] any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the waters beneath the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me,
…and if you can prove to me that it is rightful to worship, bow down, and kneel before Mary and the saints, then I will believe you are the true church. state verse from the bible not from any books your priests had made
Kay,
1. You said, “…but if I were a betting person, I would stake my salvation on an interpretation of the early fathers who heard the apostle speak rather than an interpretation several centuries away from the original context of the Bible.
…This may be all speculation. But like I said, if I were to bet my salvation, I would rather believe in St. Ignatius’ than preachers and scholars several years later. ”
a. As an unsolicited advice, if I were you, I would bet (have faith or confidence) my salvation in the Lord, like the prophet David did.
2 Samuel 22:2 ¶And he said, The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;
3 The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.
b. God’s words in the bible are righteousness and plain:
Proverbs 8:8 All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
9 They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.
b. The God in the bible cannot lie.
Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
c. It is impossible for Him to lie.
Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
d. But every man is a liar. This includes St. Ignatius, and the preachers and scholars that you mentioned.
Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
e. A man that trusteth in man be cursed according to the bible.
Jeremiah 17:5 ¶Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
f. So, try every spirit wether they are of God.
1 John 4:1 ¶Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
g. Wether they do God’s will in the bible.
John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself.
h. Let’s ask them according to the Lord.
Haggai 2:11 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ask now the priests concerning the law, saying,
i. And BLESSED is he that readeth.
Revelation 1:3 ¶Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
j. For us not to be confused nor misled, let us not go beyond what is WRITTEN.
1 Corinthians 4:6 Brothers, I have applied all this to Apollos and myself for your benefit, so that you may learn from us not to go beyond what is written. Then you will stop boasting about one person at the expense of another.
k. So if anyone teaches things other than that in the bible, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
May you find the truth. ASk Bro. Eli.
To kay(103)
“How do I know this teaching is of God? Because the early Church Fathers, who lived with the apostles themselves and heard them personally preach, say so. Of course it is possible they have been wrong, misinterpreted the apostles or perhaps part of the early apostasy INC is claiming (am not sure if you argue early apostasy as well), but if I were a betting person, I would stake my salvation on an interpretation of the early fathers who heard the apostle speak rather than an interpretation several centuries away from the original context of the Bible.”
How would you know if they had been wrong or misinterpreted the apostles? Take a hint—Mat 23:9 “And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven” What did you call them again? “Church Fathers; early fathers”, what do you call your priests and what is the definition of “pope”?and this was even a commandment by Christ Himself. He did not even mention this in a form of a parable. Apparently, that particular teaching which came from God the Father, through our Lord Jesus Christ then through the apostles, you might notice that somewhere down the line after that the commandment was misinterpreted before it got to you and billions of other people, including me (the 1st 30 years of my life, when I was still a catholic)
The trouble with a lot of people today is that they are relying too much in the INTERPRETATION of a verse, which can lead to a MISINTERPRETATION. How would a catholic “interpret” Mat 23:9?
How can that be avoided? Simple. Don’t interpret. The bible does not need an interpretation because it speaks for itself. (See the explanation in this URL : http://61.9.8.114/addtv/q/q859/q859-128.wmv ) Bro Eli is different from other preachers, for one, he does not interpret, he READS. which is biblical Rev. 1:3 “Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.”
“How do I know this teaching is of God? Because the early Church Fathers, who lived with the apostles themselves and heard them personally preach, say so.” “Though his epistle never made it to the Canon of the Bible, Ignatius heard the Apostle John himself preach.”
Why listen to people who “heard” what the apostles had to say? Surely it will be alright if what they say coincides with what the apostles wrote. —-I Cor 4:6 “And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another”
What if it doesn’t coincide?—-Gal. 1:8 “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”
“…but if I were a betting person, I would stake my salvation on an interpretation of the early fathers who heard the apostle speak rather than an interpretation several centuries away from the original context of the Bible.”
IF I WERE TO STAKE MY SALVATION, IT DEFINITELY WON’T BE ON AN INTERPRETATION, EVEN IF THE APOSTLES THEMSELVES OR AN ANGEL PREACH ANY OTHER GOSPEL WHICH THEY HAVE PREACHED UNTO THE FIRST CENTURY CHRISTIANS, I WOULD STAKE MY SALVATION ON WHAT GOD HAS TO SAY THROUGH THE ONLY SENSIBLE PREACHER IN OUR TIME, BRO. ELI SORIANO!
To Kay,
YOU SAID: I personally believe in the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist. I believe that when I go to communion I take the real body and blood of Jesus Christ in a Passover meal, as is His intention. The Catholic Church has maintained this belief over the decades.
How do I know this teaching is of God? Because the early Church Fathers, who lived with the apostles themselves and heard them personally preach, say so.
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Are you sure that the belief of taking communion is taking the real body and blood of Christ came from the church Fathers “who lived” with the apostles’?
Can you give me any proof from which Catholic book have you ever read that please?
I will be waiting for your reply
To kaye,
It is evident that you are a smart person, from the manner that you present yourself and your belief in the responses that you posted in this website, and the same goes to a lot of catholics and members of different religions out there. You are gracious enough to respond as a highly intelligent person would, and not resorting to senseless discussion.
As an intelligent person, I know that you will agree to the fact that the difference between a true Christian and a non-Christian is that the non-Christian relies on his/her own understanding, however logical and irrefutable it might seem to be for some people. Listen to an atheist, for an ususpecting person, he will seem to make all the sense in the world.
What makes a true Christian different? A true Christian does not rely on his/her own understanding, but on Christ’s teachings.
Proverbs 3:5 “Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.”
When I was a catholic I relied on my own understanding, I even debated with non-catholics. I relied on what the priests had to say in catholic school and sunday mass.
Until I searched for the truth. I went to different churches, all had variations, but essentially the same crap. A pastor here pretending to build a house for “missionaries” but installing hard wood floors (why in the heck would a missionary care if his temporary dwelling place had hard wood floors or not? and by the way, the house was right next to the pastor’s house). A pastor there that postponed a major church event that was supposedly to encourage non-Christians to believe in Christ, postponing it for the Superbowl. I am not kidding.
When I heard Bro. Eli preach, he helped me understand the true teachings of Christ, which I never heard from any pastor or priest in my entire lifetime. (and he would never, ever miss a church event for the world)
Now that I am a Christian, I do not rely on my own understanding anymore nor the understanding of Bro. Eli, but on the words of our Lord Jesus Christ. If there is something that the Lord said that is contradictory to what I believe or had believed, I would leave that belief behind so that I can follow Christ. THAT IS WHAT I LEARNED TO DO, FROM BRO. ELI, WITH THE HELP AND MERCY OF GOD and I can safely say that most, if not all of the members of the Church of God International (ADD for the layperson), share the same experience with me.
Now, when I talk to catholics, I see myself 3 yrs ago. I thank God for the understanding that I now have.
Proverbs 3:13 ” Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.”
I do not want to put down any other religious groups nor would like to debate with you, I would, however, would like to invite you to attend our indoctrination sessions, read more of Bro. Eli’s blog, visit the websites http://www.theoldpath.tv and http://www.truthcaster.com
Acts 17:27 “That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: ”
Proverbs 2:4-5 “If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God. ”
To God be the Glory
Amen Brother! I can’t help but cry for this! i also had the same feelings as yours. Brother Eli is really God sent and God would always deliver who is really from Him. To God be the glory forever!
To Kay,
I agree with your comment that there were and are more priests and missionaries in the Catholic Church. I know this because I grew up and studied in a catholic school myself. As a matter of fact I was once a favorite of a Belgium priest and a Belgium nun. But I realized later on when I was old enough to decern things, and when I heard adverse comments and criticism from some sectors of the unbiblical practices and teachings of the catholic church. This prompted me to search and join a church whose teachings are Bible-based. That was before hearing from Bro. Eli’s teachings. Just take for example the Ten Commandments that it teaches, those taught in the catholic schools, and those printed on concrete slabs posted along the roads. Compare it with what is in the Bible and you will find the big difference. The catholic church deleted in its teachings the 2nd commandment and then splitted the 10th to make them ten just the same. Have you noticed this discrepancy? Try to check it yourself. And what about the other unbiblical teachings–if we believe in the Bible to contain the words of God for man to adhere to? Like the baptism, and the collection of fees for services rendered by the priests, even to a dead person. etc.?
ARQ
let us just face the reality that catholic is not the true christian church… first of all, where can you find the name of the roman catholic in the bible? second, they are not following what is written in the bible (even their doctrine e.g. do not kill) third, why they used to call themselves as MOST HOLY REVERENT, father, for they are only humans?
for your information, catholic banned the bible for so many centuries, so don’t blame us!!!
read history of the christianity before you comment…
ssD…
Catholics, and those who are Catholics,
like many other Catholics, wants to regain the honor of her Mother Church, which they do not really have. She went her way to make a carousel out of history that they themselves has tried to destroy, even to the extent of killing millions of people.
Let me just highlight to you that this world will pass but God’s Word will remain. I will remain studying the Holy Scripture and depend on it rather than the history you or anyone can adulterate.
The Holy Scripture is still existing up to now proving of its worthiness to contain the word of God and the prophecy that we need to fulfill being Christians; the needed history to be enlightened. Haven’t you noticed, even your MOther Catholic church was prophesied in revelation as the Mother of all Harlots? Give me something even from history which monstrous Mother has occupied earth literally and figuratively!
Imagine, their Pope in hypocrisy has recently tried to beg for forgiveness for such heinous crime they made since time immemorial because he did bothered to clarify that his Mother Catholic church has delivered daughters/prostitutes that has created heinous people and criminals followers.
To you Kay,
Please stop defending your church for a while, please watch ADD programs and see for your self : observe,study,seek the guidance of the Lord with the help of your bible. Maybe it is just your pride thats keeps you going, defending futily, but nothing is there for you to stand for. C’mon Kay, be one with us I mean, give yourself a chance to study the teachings of Bro Eli given to him without measure by our God. I was once like you,always defending and feeling victorious outside but deep inside there’s nothing to rejoice.
Imagine, their Pope hypocritically begged for forgiveness for so many heinous crime they made since time immemorial: but he did not even bother to clarify that his Mother Catholic church has gave birth to daughters/prostitutes that has created heinous people and criminals followers after her. This daughters represents the denominations that came out from them.
Thank God that being members of the Church of God International, we did not come out of the Roman Catholic Church spiritually speaking.
Jesus also said that someone made some changes in the bible. I suspect that it was someone in the Catholic Church. One example: It says that Mary had a Virgin Birth? Questionable at best. Now there is also new information that it is very possible that Jesus was taken back to Italy or Rome for the crucifixion. Remember torture was entertainment for these people. Here we have someone that says they are Lord in Heaven. Someone that they can redicule, make fun of, then thumbs down. I think this part of the bible was changed because the Romans didn’t want to be blamed the the death of Jesus, so they blamed it on the Jews. Melanie Steffen
to dear CATHOLIC
JUST SOME POINTS TO PONDER;
CHRIST :
MAT23:9And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
POPE:
MOST HOLY FATHER?????????????????????
CHRIST:
MAT 6:7But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speakinG
POPE: PRAY THE ROSARY??????REPETITIVELY????????????????
TO DEAR CATHOLIC:
GOD:
EXO20: 4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God….
POPE;WE DO NOT WORSHIP THE IMAGES????????
Q.DID THE PAPACY MAKE IMAGES?????????YES OR NO???????
Q2. HOW DID THE POPES OBEY THIS LAW OF GOD?
Q3.DO CATHOLICS BOW DOWN TO IMAGES OR NOT?????
IS CATHOLICISM AFRAID OF GOD???????
110 Melanie Steffen,
You said, “I have a message to tell you about Revelation. The message is from God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost sent in the Spring of 2006. It is about the meaning of First is Last and Last is First. The message is this: In the morning I go to Heaven. In the afternoon I live my life. In the evening I die, death. What does this mean? In other words this means Birth is Last and Last is Birth.”
I am very sorry to say to you, that your message is not from God, nor from Jesus, nor from the Holy Ghost.
For you not to be misled, read the whole chapter 10 of the book of Mark.
1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
Wake up from sleeping or else:
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
112 Melanie Steffen,
You said, “Another good point here is that the Holy Trinity talked to someone that is not in the Church. God did not talk to the Pope. Now I like the Pope, but I think that is funny as heck. God went around the Pope.”
The doctrine of the holy trinity is not biblical. Stop your hallucinations. Don’t wait for a dumb ass to speak to you.
2 Peter 2:16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
113 hetfield,
Don’t get Jay-r wrong. He is not a catholic. Don’t confuse yourself with the words that he quoted from catholics. That is not what he is saying.
Here’s a sample of what he is saying:
it’s not finished yet, i will post more “catholic vs the bible” God willing in the future.
Read again.
123 Melanie Steffen,
Wake up! Base your belief from the bible. And not on your suspicions or any new stories that you hear everywhere.
Ask Bro. Eli!
TO CATHOLIC:
Observing your posts, it very evident that it is still OK with you to WORSHIP STONE, PAPER, CANDLE, PLASTIC or to a point of making a sign of the cross in front of an ALKITRAN? Am I right?
Are you aware also that part of your doctrines na anything that TOUCHED your saints, you are obliged to worhip them… like their BRIEFS, the TOILET PAPER they used, their TOOTHBRUSH, their TOILET BOWL… etc etc.?
Tutal, mahilig ka sa history, find out for yourselves if this is true or not. Review your RCC doctrines… let see kung masisikmura mo. If you don’t have, we’ll provide you a copy.
TRUTH HURTS. We understand that. That’s why we are taking all our efforts to reveal to you and for you to know the TRUTH.
Do you think that the writings (history) of man are more reliable than the writings of God?
Please read only the Bible if you really believe God! (Isaiahs 34:16)
Ganito na lang… if you read any verse that there is A CATHOLIC CHURCH in the Bible… I will go back to that religion. But if you find none… are you ready, or will have the courage to face reality that you are worshipping God in VAIN?
WE LOVE YOU!
Thanks be to God!
Dear all Catholics,
I have been 50 years a catholic. I have tried a religious life many times until at last I became one in 1985-87 in Italy.There was nothing good happened to me because there is no power at all in everything we do. If this RCC is true I suppose not see the truth in the Church of GOD International?
But look everything in CGI is accompanied with a powerful testimony of GOD telling the whole world that NOW is the truth, NOW is the Savation and Now is the reality—GO OUT of the hold of satan in the RCC because she is the Mother of Prostitutes acc. to the bible. She is the Anti-Christ, so please save yourselves from her. I was once in her grasp but now, thanks be to the GOD of the bible I am free. I am in her bossom. Thanks be to GOD.
This is a most serious declaration and a most authentic one because this is born out of years of study, observation and living with the catholic church. I have nothing personal to any body in its followers, but to their Faith ,I am very much against it because I firmly sure that satan is the silent head of them without their knowledge because most of them refuse to scrutinize their faith.
Wake-up,wake-up! dear catholics! wake-up, please , you might run out of time !Take it or leave it, but I sincerely love you for GOD in the Bible.
113 hetfield
to Jay-r cute este cute talaga este Cruz pala,
ok so you are telling us we accused you and your Church wrongfully? then prove to us that kneeling to an image is really commanded by God…isn’t it contradicting to Deut 5:8-9
Thou shalt not make thee [any] graven image, [or] any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the waters beneath the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate me,
…and if you can prove to me that it is rightful to worship, bow down, and kneel before Mary and the saints, then I will believe you are the true church. state verse from the bible not from any books your priests had made
heyheyhey! kindly read my posts. i never depended the catholic? i think you just read my quotations from catholic’s post and kay’s post but im not with them. actually i am agaist with them. dont get me wrong bro ^.^!
Lets move on folks, go to another topic. They just won’t listen. With the help of our God, we did what we’re opt to do. Thanks be to GOD, all the praises, the glory be upon HIM. I am very fortunate !!!! I just cant hide this feeling anymore. Lalong-lalo na kapag dumadalo sa Pagpapasalamat ng mga kapatid tuwing araw ng sabado.
Nararamdamang lagi ang excitement — ito yung malalalim na bagay ng DIYOS na ipinauunawa NIYA sa kanyang mga lingkod sa pamamagitan ni Bro. Eli — walang ganitong pakiramdam sa ibang samahan ng pananampalataya, na tuwing darating ang araw ng kanilang pagkakatipon ay ” okey lang “! Na ang enthusiasm ay panlabas lamang, samantalang sa Iglesia ng Dios ay deep within,something inside of me is growing, a very strong fantastic feeling!!!! I just cant believe this is happenning pero, it is true!!!!!!!!!! Nanggaling din kasi ako sa samahan ng katoliko at pinag aralan din naman ang iba’t ibang pananampalataya kaya nasasabi ko ito. So, what are you waiting for Friends out there !! Goodbye see you in another topic.
We love you brothers/sisters in the Catholic Church, that’s why we are telling you all of the things stated above. Your reasonings to depend the Catholic Church are not acceptable at all to God. Your worshipping of images is abominable, may I repeat, ABOMINABLE to Him. You are disobedient to His commandments. Read the Bible and you will find out that your church’s practices and teachings are wrong. Do not be led by a blind so that you’ll not fall down into the pit with him. As I said earlier I was once a catholic but after reading the bible I came out of it. Don’t call us back into the catholic church–we’ll never go back to it anymore. You are the ones that we sincerely invite to come out of it so that you’ll have a better chance to be saved. We advise you to seriously study the bible, understand it and you’ll find out that what we are telling you is the truth. Bro. Eli is instilling in us the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ and leading us in the right way to salvation. Come and join us in the House of the Lord.
To All most especially :To Tony Santos, Jet & Elmantheman
It is very hard for me to read most of the articles here esp. coming from the pen of Mr. tony Santos, Jet and Elmantheman
Real catholics taught me about LOVE in the most un-understandable way at the very start but turning to be very meaningful when it start to set-in in my heart , they indoctrinated me that If you are in the state of LOVE there is no more distinction between good & evil nor between happiness and sorrow.
In short and with conviction but i do know if it is proper to say it here, I know how to love my enemies in the most especial way and this is not hypocrisy, I really see the beauty of every man regardless of their treatment on me. I do not speak ill, NO!, i mean I just cant speak ill of my brothers of different faith who are always talking bad against me.
I became a good person than before because of those Real catholics who devotedly taught me the meaning of the word Love in its most precious way. I am endebted to them!
You said: Catholics way is the wrong way, Am I in the wrong path? Do I need to change my religion? If yes, WHY? What is the point of leaving my religion If I see light on it?
Saint Francis of Assisi is my favorite patron in terms of LOVE in ACTION, He is also raised as catholic but his personality and work is better than any members or defenders here in this blog.
Is Francis of Assisi already condemn to Eternal fire because He died as Catholic and He belong not to Church of God international?
Is mr. Jet, Tony Santos and Elmantheman better than St. Francis of Assisi?
I am very eager to hear something from all of you!!!
God bless!
To Kay,
My stomach hurts as I’ve read your statement – “You mentioned Francis Cassilly’s book. Am sorry, I have not read it nor am I aware of the context where that image you posted has been lifted, so in the interest of avoiding making an uninformed statement, I would refrain from reacting to it. Perhaps the book is referring to the term “extra ecclesiam nulla salus” (Outside the Church there is no salvation) which has been used by popes pre-Vatican II? Yes, the Catholic Church did say this but keep in mind that its correct
understanding and interpretation demands a deeper discussion on ecclessiology than time and space can permit at the moment. ”
Especially in this line “Yes, the Catholic Church did say this but keep in mind that its correct
understanding and interpretation demands a deeper discussion on ecclessiology than time and space can permit at the moment. ” – Ha ha ha ha ha.
I’m sorry, but its really humorous. Trying to save your beloved Catholic church just put you in laughable position.
Hello dear Old fellow Catholics,
Before you open your mouth and react to what everybody in the Church of God has been explaining to you, I recommend to be open-minded, be logical…
I was once a Catholic, I grew up in a family where from my ancestors up to my nieces, I’m surrounded by Catholics. But never in my entire Catholic life did I see the true teachings of Jesus Christ.
I was also in that kind of thinking, when I really felt bad to those who say against the Catholic Church, but then I’ve realized I really don’t know my former religion, Even it’s true name (which is IGLESIA CATHOLICA APOSTOLICA ROMANA in case you don’t know)
I realized I was ignorant about the bible..and as I began reading and listening, I’ve read and accepted the truth that it’s impossible for a baby to accept baptism (HEBREWS 5:13), that God cannot lie (HEBREWS 6:18), that one must worship God in spirit and not through any graven images (JOHN 4:24), that the word reverend is used for God’s name and not man (PSALMS 111:9), that women has a law on how to dress (I TIMOTHY 2:9-10) (DEUTERONOMY 22:5) , that Jesus never have a long hair (II CORINTHIANS 14-15), that in LISTENING ONE CAN GAIN FAITH FROM GOD (ROMANS 10:17)
May God open your hearts.
To God be the Glory!!
i really appreciate about the topic that no salvation in the roman catholic church..i i’m not a member of church of god international i am also a catholic but i am not satisfied in the preachers of the RCC i dont kno why but i am also searching for the truth about the gospel…i ant to know more about the church of god international i want to be with you….to be brighten and kno the truth…bro.eli i kno you can help me pls.tell me the truth about the bible…and the god’s words..
136 Ma. Rosario,
1. You said, “they indoctrinated me that If you are in the state of LOVE there is no more distinction between good & evil nor between happiness and sorrow.”
Ironically, what they indoctrinated you is not biblical. Because in the bible it says:
Romans 12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
See the distinction between good and evil when you let love be without dissimulation?
2. You said, “I do not speak ill, NO!, i mean I just cant speak ill of my brothers of different faith who are always talking bad against me.”
You see sister, we are not talking bad against YOU. We do not even know you personally. What we are against of is the belief that catholic priests had long been teaching us since our childhood – to bow unto idols, pay church services, etc…FYI, I was a catholic for 23 years since birth.
The apostle Paul was sent:
Acts 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.
And this is what exactly what Bro. Eli’s is trying to do with God’s help.
According to a verse in the book if Isaiah:
Isaiah 58:1 ¶Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
We do not speak ill of the person but of the transgression that people do because of what the false prophets have taught them in their congregations.
3. You said, “I became a good person than before because of those Real catholics who devotedly taught me the meaning of the word Love in its most precious way. I am endebted to them!”
You see sister, Love is of God and God is Love according to the bible.
1 John 4:7 ¶Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
God commanded His people:
Deuteronomy 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
Ironically, catholics are disobeying this commandment. So how could the Real catholics that you are saying have taught you the meaning of the word Love in its most precious way? I am sorry to say, that you may have endebted to them something which is not biblical. What should be done to them is:
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
accursed – ban
G331
ἀνάθεμα
anathema
an-ath’-em-ah
From G394; a (religious) ban or (concretely) excommunicated (thing or person): – accursed, anathema, curse, X great.
4. You said, “You said: Catholics way is the wrong way, Am I in the wrong path? Do I need to change my religion? If yes, WHY? What is the point of leaving my religion If I see light on it? ”
I should say, according to the bible, catholicism is a very wrong path. HONESTLY, you are in the wrong path. I was once there. If you were to ask for my advice, I would suggest that you change your religion, like I did more than a year ago. Because that is not the religion that is in the bible. Moreover, its doctrines are in contrary to the bible.
The point is, satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
See? But the truth is, he had blinded the minds of people, lest the LIGHT shine unto them.
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
As to why you should leave your religion, because the bible says so!
Romans 12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.
ABHOR THAT WHICH IS EVIL, CLEAVE TO THAT WHICH IS GOOD.
5. You asked, “Is Francis of Assisi already condemn to Eternal fire because He died as Catholic and He belong not to Church of God international? ”
It is not for us to say NOW if ONE is already condemned to eternal fire or not – JUST because he died as a catholic and he belong not to the Church of God international.
Because you see, in the bible:
Romans 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
But also, for sure sister, according to the bible:
1 Corinthians 6:9 ¶Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
6. You asked, “Is mr. Jet, Tony Santos and Elmantheman better than St. Francis of Assisi? ”
I can only speak for myself, sister. It is not for me to say if I am better than him or not. But one thing is for sure, I have learned through Bro. Eli with God’s help, NOT TO MAKE NOR BOW DOWN UNTO ANY GRAVEN IMAGE (Deut 5:7-9).
It is up for you to tell if the one you are referring to be from assisi also learned the same thing.
7. You said, “I am very eager to hear something from all of you!!!”
The same thing here, sister. May you really find the truth.
To Ma. Rosario,
RE: Post 136:
First of all, please be informed that we have nothing personal against the Catholic Church. We are just answering things according to what your fellow Catholics claim to say and this response was also made according to your eager request.
Now, to answer your comments:
YOU SAID: Real catholics taught me about LOVE in the most un-understandable way at the very start but turning to be very meaningful when it start to set-in in my heart , they indoctrinated me that If you are in the state of LOVE there is no more distinction between good & evil nor between happiness and sorrow.
I think those who taught you do not have Godly love in them. How dare them say that there is no distinction between good & evil if you are in the state of love!
Christians who have TRUE love in them rejoices not in iniquity but in truth!
1 Cor. 13:6 “Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;”
Christians who have TRUE love are even taught to distinguish good & evil by means of testing.
1 Thes 5:21-22 “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil.”
TRUE love means to be with that which is good and to hate that which is evil.
Romans 12:9 “Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.”
God who himself is LOVE has wrath against evil.
1 John 4:8 “He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
Romans 1:18 “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;”
TRUE love knows how to hurt even those whom they love in the intent of saving them.
Proverbs 27:6 “Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.”
I think those who indoctrinated you really needs to be indoctrinated first with the right doctrines.
…. and may they may stop deceiving you with false doctrines, if they also truly love you.
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YOU SAID: You said: Catholics way is the wrong way, Am I in the wrong path? Do I need to change my religion? If yes, WHY? What is the point of leaving my religion If I see light on it?
Don’t get us mistaken. We also believe that there is light in the Catholic Church! But let us distinguish what kind of “light” does your church possess. Christ said:
Matthew 6:23 “But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the LIGHT that is in thee be DARKNESS, how great is that darkness!”
I think this is the first time you have just heard that. I don’t think Catholic authorities even know that. Why? They are in the darkness and the light they see is a FALSE light, making them think it they are truly in the light. Sad to say, in reality they are not.
What they have is the LIGHT of darkness.
To prove that the Catholic Church is under the light of darkness, the Catholic Church murdered many people, thinking what they are doing is good.
The Church of God did not killed anyone who are against their belief. Even maligned and persecuted, our preacher never returned evil with evil. Our battle is against wrong teachings and that’s what our preacher is continually doing.
The Catholic church not only killed but tortured many. Your own books and the admission of Catholic authorities even prove that. Your Pope was even dearly sorry and asked for worldwide forgiveness.
The history of your church proved that it is truly not the true church, not only by their wrong teachings, but moreover with so many evil deeds.
Only the true preacher sent by God can make you see the Real Light.
Acts 26:18 “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.”
So better consider the Real Gospel of Christ which Bro. Eli is preaching.
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YOU SAID: Is Francis of Assisi already condemn to Eternal fire because He died as Catholic and He belong not to Church of God international?
Can you provide any proof that Bro. Eli preached that outside the Church of God there is no salvation? It is your church which claimed that and not us!
So don’t get things reversed! It is your Church which claimed that outside the Catholic church there is no salvation and not us! Hello!
You even claim and condemned innocent children who are not baptised to be in limbo! That is why Bro Eli was truly against your teachings because they are non-Biblical! Christ said:
Matthew 18:3 “And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
It is very evident according to your Catholic doctrines that you are the ones who are condemning people who are not members of your church to damnation and not us!
You judge even children who belong to the kingdom of God!
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YOU SAID: “Is mr. Jet, Tony Santos and Elmantheman better than St. Francis of Assisi?“
You said that and not us.
We humbly believe we are followers of Christ’s teachings, and Christ is the best example that we follow in the Church of God.
…. and not St. Francis of the Catholic Church.
To Ma. Rosario,
RE: Post 136:
First of all, please be informed that we have nothing personal against the Catholic Church. We are just answering things according to what your fellow Catholics claim to say and this response was also made according to your eager request.
Now, to answer your comments:
YOU SAID: Real catholics taught me about LOVE in the most un-understandable way at the very start but turning to be very meaningful when it start to set-in in my heart , they indoctrinated me that If you are in the state of LOVE there is no more distinction between good & evil nor between happiness and sorrow.
I think those who taught you do not have Godly love in them. How dare them say that there is no distinction between good & evil if you are in the state of love!
Christians who have TRUE love in them rejoices not in iniquity but in truth!
1 Cor. 13:6 “Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;”
Christians who have TRUE love are even taught to distinguish good & evil by means of testing.
1 Thes 5:21-22 “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil.”
TRUE love means to be with that which is good and to hate that which is evil.
Romans 12:9 “Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.”
God who himself is LOVE has wrath against evil.
1 John 4:8 “He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
Romans 1:18 “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;”
TRUE love knows how to hurt even those whom they love in the intent of saving them.
Proverbs 27:6 “Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.”
I think those who indoctrinated you really needs to be indoctrinated first with the right doctrines.
…. and may they may stop deceiving you with false doctrines, if they also truly love you.
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YOU SAID: You said: Catholics way is the wrong way, Am I in the wrong path? Do I need to change my religion? If yes, WHY? What is the point of leaving my religion If I see light on it?
Don’t get us mistaken. We also believe that there is light in the Catholic Church! But let us distinguish what kind of “light” does your church possess. Christ said:
Matthew 6:23 “But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the LIGHT that is in thee be DARKNESS, how great is that darkness!”
I think this is the first time you have just heard that. I don’t think Catholic authorities even know that. Why? They are in the darkness and the light they see is a FALSE light, making them think it they are truly in the light. Sad to say, in reality they are not.
What they have is the LIGHT of darkness.
To prove that the Catholic Church is under the light of darkness, the Catholic Church murdered many people, thinking what they are doing is good.
The Church of God did not killed anyone who are against their belief. Even maligned and persecuted, our preacher never returned evil with evil. Our battle is against wrong teachings and that’s what our preacher is continually doing.
The Catholic church not only killed but tortured many. Your own books and the admission of Catholic authorities even prove that. Your Pope was even dearly sorry and asked for worldwide forgiveness.
The history of your church proved that it is truly not the true church, not only by their wrong teachings, but moreover with so many evil deeds.
Only the true preacher sent by God can make you see the Real Light.
Acts 26:18 “To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.”
So better consider the Real Gospel of Christ which Bro. Eli is preaching.
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YOU SAID: Is Francis of Assisi already condemn to Eternal fire because He died as Catholic and He belong not to Church of God international?
Can you provide any proof that Bro. Eli preached that outside the Church of God there is no salvation? It is your church which claimed that and not us!
So don’t get things reversed! It is your Church which claimed that outside the Catholic church there is no salvation and not us! Hello!
You even claim and condemned innocent children who are not baptised to be in limbo! That is why Bro Eli was truly against your teachings because they are non-Biblical! Christ said:
Matthew 18:3 “And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.”
It is very evident according to your Catholic doctrines that you are the ones who are condemning people who are not members of your church to damnation and not us!
You judge even children who belong to the kingdom of God!
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YOU SAID: “Is mr. Jet, Tony Santos and Elmantheman better than St. Francis of Assisi?“
You said that and not us.
We humbly believe we are followers of Christ’s teachings, and Christ is the best example that we follow in the Church of God.
…. and not St. Francis of the Catholic Church.
to Jay-r cute este Cruz,
sorry bro i thought you are one of the defenders of catholicism…anyways, i hope catholics who are reading bro eli’s blog and the responses will turn their back against their false doctrine….again, i apologize for my mistake bro…sorry
Hi Elvin!
How beautiful is your intention and interest to know more of God’s words and His Church, the Church of God Inrternational! Yes you’ve come to the right direction. Bro. Eli is surely be very glad and willing to help you. When he reads your blog he will surely come in contact with you.
Open up the web page of Ang Dating Daan.org and you’ll find in there the teachings of Bro. Eli based on the Bible. You’ll see there also how you could contact Bro. Eli. Also tune-in on UNTV where various programs of the Church of God International (Ang Dating Daan) are aired. UNTV is now broadcasting internationally and most of its time is used by the Church of God Internaion.
We hope you to be witrh us soon.
Alex
Jet , tony and lilian,
Did you mean I need to leave immediately my Church? But I am a better person now! & I have this feeling that once I join your congregation , I will become a defender like you, I dont want to be a DEBATER because my time is dedicated in loving the lord and his creation, and 24 hours is not enough for me to do this this duty.
Lilian I dont understand the implication of your message of a wrathful God, As what I ve told you if you are in-love you cease to exist and aint think of yourself anymore. SORROW and HAPPINESS will become the SAME. EVIL will become LIGHT YOU cannot find any distinction ……THERE IS NO SHADOW anymore!
LOVE THY ENEMIES …….GIVE the OTHER CHEEKS…..this is all I know lilian!
Tony do not generalize, do not judge instead be a part of that LOVE, by doing so, YOU WILL BE A REAL CHRISTIAN.
Gracias!
JET,
I think Adventist777 is right to call you a babes.
“Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be ACCURSED.”
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why you need to accursed them?
because it can affect the monetary contribution? or what else?
do you know what’s mean in this verse:
“Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.”
because of this
“………., What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?”
because if you don’t have earthly interest affected then you will not accursed him but rather help him to know the truth because there is nothing to lose with you but for him he is liable to GOD.
by: master MOON
Ma. Rosario — you are innocent my dear and that’s your edge
to us even though that you are in a wrong place but you are in a right situation.
Tony Santos — your answer below signify that you are a babes also like JET “the fighter plane”
YOU SAID: “Is mr. Jet, Tony Santos and Elmantheman better than St. Francis of Assisi?“
You said that and not us.
We humbly believe we are followers of Christ’s teachings, and Christ is the best example that we follow in the Church of God.
…. and not St. Francis of the Catholic Church.
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comments:
whether St. Francis works abundantly than Jet, Tony Santos and Elmantheman there is nothing to boast or to say that he is better because all of us will be given 1 dollar.
by: master MOON
145 Ma. Rosario,
1. You asked, “Did you mean I need to leave immediately my Church? But I am a better person now! ”
Sister, I remember Bro. Eli said in tagalog:
“Huwag kang magpatumpik-tumpik! Huwag kang magpadelay-delay! Huwag kang magpabukas-bukas! Pagkakasumpong mo ng mabuti, gawin mo agad!…Basa!”
I say, this is really biblical. Why?
a. Because, according to the bible:
James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
I am sure, like many of us, as much as possible, you don’t want to commit a sin, right?
b. And we know not what tomorrow may bring.
Proverbs 27:1 ¶Boast not thyself of to morrow; for thou knowest not what a day may bring forth.
We do not know wether we will still be alive tomorrow or not, right?
c. This is why christians in the bible were admonished to do good AS THEY HAVE OPPORTUNITY.
Galatians 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
2. You said, “& I have this feeling that once I join your congregation , I will become a defender like you, I dont want to be a DEBATER because my time is dedicated in loving the lord and his creation, and 24 hours is not enough for me to do this this duty.”
a. You know, sister, I never had that same feeling when I was still a catholic. How could I have defended that belief using the bible, when its doctrines are against the bible itself, right?
In the bible, the apostle Peter admonished christians:
1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
In tagalog:
Kundi inyong sambahin si Cristo na Panginoon sa inyong mga puso: na lagi kayong handa ng pagsagot sa bawa’t tao na humihingi sa inyo ng katuwiran tungkol sa pagasang nasa inyo, nguni’t sa kaamuan at takot:
This way, christians sanctify the Lord God and at the same time, love His creation, right?
b. It is really true that 24 hours is not enough to do this duty, but nonetheless, like the apostle Paul, Bro. Eli is:
2 Corinthians 12:15 And I will very gladly spend and be spent for you; though the more abundantly I love you, the less I be loved.
This is the reason why he is unceasingly broadcasting in the internet, on radio, on tv, and every means possible EVERY SINGLE DAY AND NIGHT with God’s help. The evidences can be seen in these websites:
http://www.untvweb.com
http://www.truthcaster.com
http://theoldpath.tv
May you someday, if not now, find the whole truth, sister.
146 SUNTOK SA BUWAN,
1. You said, “I think Adventist777 is right to call you a babes.”
I was really right to say that you are one with him – if you are not him. WILLIAM? GWEN?. 🙂
But I just thought that when english people say, ‘a’, they mean something singular – not plural like babes, right?
Anyways…
2. You asked, “why you need to accursed them? because it can affect the monetary contribution? or what else?”
I just wonder if you have read Bro. Eli’s post regarding this. I can’t make it any clearer than that.
But just a thought: I wonder who’s taking tithes from their members now using Malachi 3:10 and claiming that they are christians. 🙂
This SURELY affects monetary contributions. 🙂
3. And again, the fact that you do not understand what the Lord Jesus Christ (whom you say you believe in – though I doubt it) said, makes no wonder why you do not understand what the apostle Paul (whom you do not believe wrote).
John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
4. Instead I suggest that you answer my questions in post #127 of this site:
…especially that of point #4.
Prove that the one refered to in Daniel 7:25 as the other king who subdued 3 other kings is Paul.
Prove it!
To Ma. Rosario
RE: Post 145:
YOU SAID: Did you mean I need to leave immediately my Church?
Roma 12:9 “Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.”
James 4:17 “Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.”
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YOU SAID: But I am a better person now!
2 Corinthians 10:18 “For not he that commendeth himself is approved, but whom the Lord commendeth.”
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YOU SAID: I have this feeling that once I join your congregation , I will become a defender like you, I dont want to be a DEBATER because my time is dedicated in loving the lord and his creation, and 24 hours is not enough for me to do this this duty.
God started a war even way back from the garden of Eden. True Christians are participants of this war that God initiated.
Genesis 3:15 “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”
This war is not literal.
2 Corinthians 10:4-5 “For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds; Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;”
That is why the Apostles of Christ debated.
Acts 9:29 “And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him.”
Christ even supported them in all their debates with a promise.
Luke 21:13-15 “And it shall turn to you for a testimony. Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.”
Please be informed that we are not encouraging debates but if the situation requires it, we are always in DEFENSE of the Truth.
If you will not start engaging yourself in God’s battle, then you are not His servant. It’s either you are with Him or against Him. There are only 2 sides available, Good and Evil. Take your stand!
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YOU SAID: I dont understand the implication of your message of a wrathful God,
May the following verse give you understanding with God’s help:
2 Thess 1:8-9 “In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;”
Hebrews 12:29 “For our God is a consuming fire.”
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YOU SAID: As what I ve told you if you are in-love you cease to exist and aint think of yourself anymore. SORROW and HAPPINESS will become the SAME. EVIL will become LIGHT YOU cannot find any distinction ……THERE IS NO SHADOW anymore! LOVE THY ENEMIES …….GIVE the OTHER CHEEKS…..this is all I know!
I think you should know more from Bro. Eli
There is distinction! You are just blind with regards to understanding of the scriptures. You must take note that God commanded to love “THY” enemies but not “HIS” enemies!
There is a very big difference between that!
2 Chro 19:2 “And Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him, and said to king Jehoshaphat, Shouldest thou help the ungodly, and love them that hate the LORD? therefore is wrath upon thee from before the LORD.”
Hope you now see the distinction!
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YOU SAID: Tony do not generalize, do not judge instead be a part of that LOVE, by doing so, YOU WILL BE A REAL CHRISTIAN.
I am not generalizing because I was well taught by my preacher. We know that we have Godly love because we obey Christ’s commandments and continue in them.
Part of that love is to hate what is evil and be part of that which is good (Romans 12:9) that is why we left the Catholic church and became members of the Church of God International.
These make a person a True Christian.
Gracias!
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Master MOON RAVEN : I think Adventist777 is right to call you a babes.
Kay: What can you expect from Jet? It is obvious that he is just a babes! Look at the way he handle his arguments, he is just fond of quoting but too literal in application. He is still young in terms of spiritual maturity
To Ma. Rosario
You sure you’re a better person now?
Perhaps you have judged your self as a better person based on the standards of man and not base on God’s.
This thread has already 146 comments already made by visitors of this website, everyone has arguments and counter arguments. Some readers might have been confused now which arguments should they accept and which should they reject. My advice for them is this:
Accept arguments which are Biblical and logical.
Reject arguments which are only based from one’s personal opinion, personal belief or crafted stories because the Bible has warning about man’s philosophy. Colossians 2:8 — Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
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May the Word be with you.
Mr. Tony Santos,
You are focusing on the wrathful nature of God. I can see myself in you when I was still a babe, when I was not yet part of that LOVE, that wrathful God is also a reality in me. but when that LOve imparted in me those shadows were gone, nothing is left except that “LIGHT”
I am hoping that you can find that LOVE too in your religion.
IN this ecstatic state of LOVE, my “EYES” opened & found out that God has no rival. “Nobody” can stand against( in the literal usage of the word against) HIM because, there is NOTHING uncessary that comes from HIM, EVERYTHING SERVES ITS PURPOSE. EVERYTHING is dependent on HIM.
HEAVEN & HELL IS NON-existent in me anymore, I LOVE GOD for the SAKE OF LOVE!, it is never because of the rewards of heaven nor the fear of the punishment in Hell, HIS presence is enough for me, & to tell you frankly even if God is in Hell, I will jump there to be with HIM,- the intensity of my longing & devotion to HIM will cool down the fire of Hell.
Most of you run after salvation for heavens and paradise ceaseless is your yearning, while me is only satisfied with HIS PRESENCE.
Honestly, I want to SET FIRE to both HEAVEN and HELL so that people like you will LOVE GOD for his own sake rather than for your fear of hell or your greediness of heaven.
I cease to exist when I am in HIM! There is no more Ma. Rosario!
There is NO DUALITY in this state of LOVE Mr. Tony Santos! NO rivals, NO enemies, and No self, IT IS PEACE by itself! Can your congregation offer me this kind of tranquility?
If I already got a GOLD bar why would I look for a silver nor bronze bar? ( Do you understand me MR. EYES? )
YOu have no IDEA of the reality of St. FRancis of ASSISI because you are not yet part of that LOVE. THIS LOVE IS VERY IMPORTANT, without this LOVE you are still asleep but WITH THIS LOVE you are fully “AWAKE”.
May LOVE also resideth in you!
Mr. Tony Santos,
When you are still in the state of Ignorance then II Corinthians 10:18 has bearing. But once you become a Master of yourself then every letters is of no value anymore, because you are already the manifestation of its essence.
The Bible can be compressed in only one word, and that is LOVE- it is the fulfilment of the letters. THE BIBLE IS NOTHING WITHOUT ITS ESSENCE because IT’S ESSENSE is the one that makes it ALIVE.
YOu are still on the process, you are still part of that letter, therefore that letter has an effect in you. But to Ma. Rosario which is already the fulfillment of that LOVE, nothing matters anymore except that LOVE ALONE
Ma. Rosario IS NOW OF LOVE. THERE IS NO MORE DISTINCTION.
“the essence is important the letters by itself is of no avail”
151 KI NA KI,
You said, “What can you expect from Jet? It is obvious that he is just a babes! Look at the way he handle his arguments, he is just fond of quoting but too literal in application. He is still young in terms of spiritual maturity”
NYEE! You are one with SUNTOK SA BUWAN, in saying that I am just a babeS. Let me paste what I my answer was:
“I was really right to say that you are one with him – if you are not him. WILLIAM? GWEN?.
But I just thought that when english people say, ‘a’, they mean something singular – not plural like babes, right?”
Maybe babe is no longer different from babeS for these SDAC members, like:
“So, The new covenant is not a new and different law” #21 https://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/05/the-faulty-covenant-of-the-seventh-day-adventist-church/
#127
“..when an SDA father gets his SDA son a NEW SHIRT from the store, he will tell his son, “Remember, this is NOT a new shirt. This is not a different shirt. This is still the SAME OLD SHIRT that I got for you years back. How silly!
See? NEW COVENANT IS NOT NEW??? So, NEW SHIRT IS THE SAME OLD SHIRT? Foolish!”
🙂 Funny!
Ma. Rosario,
If I already got a GOLD bar why would I look for a silver nor bronze bar? ( Do you understand me MR. EYES? )
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Sister, I understand you and here is my message:
“………………, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. ……………………………………..”
but be cafeful my dear about LOVE.
because love can make you cry.
love can hurt
love is blind
love is a splendored thing
and my question is……
how deep is your LOVE?
remember “We are living in a world of fools …………..”
EYES
to jet:
But I just thought that when english people say, ‘a’, they mean something singular – not plural like babes, right?”
reply: WHY ARE YOU FOCUSING IN THE SIDE ITEMS and not on the Main Menu? If babes is wrong and babe is correct, does it matter? the message is still the same, YOu are spiritually immature!, you are always focusing on the literal aspect of every word. You are bound by literalism.
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“..when an SDA father gets his SDA son a NEW SHIRT from the store, he will tell his son, “Remember, this is NOT a new shirt. This is not a different shirt. This is still the SAME OLD SHIRT that I got for you years back. How silly!
See? NEW COVENANT IS NOT NEW??? So, NEW SHIRT IS THE SAME OLD SHIRT? Foolish!”
reply: If Mr. ADventist777 can still post here (I guess he is banned already!), he can give you a plausable answer for all your misinformed/malicious arguments. I saw how Mr. adventist stand on his ground in the blog “Faulty Covenant”. He’s sensible enough! You arguments are too immature for Mr. Adventist.
…..The New covenant is not a new commandment because the New covenant is this: ” God will put IT (torah) into their heart and mind” so the same old commandment for Judah and Israel……………….. THIS I think is THE ESSENCE OF HIS POST taking from the viewpoint of the narration of Prophet Jeremiah!
You are just trying to misrepresent HIM, just like your malicious issue on Hypocrisy, wherein in the end, YOu are the one that was proven a CERTIFIED HYPOCRITE!
Dear Lovely,
“As a nation we must be united?” Yes in nationality or a member of the community but not in faith because true can not be allied with false or light can not join darkness or darkness join light even christ join evil works. Also Remember there is only one christ and one body, body stands for the church so if we replace the body with church it means “THERE IS ONLY CHRIST AND ONE CHURCH”? isnt that right?
thanks to God for bro. eli I was enlighten by the TRUE words of God.!!! -+=Joel Bernarte
continuation,
find the truth, for the “truth shall set you free”. If you know this words, I mean the meaning of it, stay in ur faith, if doubt is in your heart, don’t stop seeking. The Bible speaks! Not actually brother Eli.
To Ma. Rosario,
I am ending my conversation with you by giving you these verses.
Mat. 12:36 “But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.”
Mat. 12:37 “For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.”
I regret to say this but I don’t see that you have any fear of the Lord. Your statements prove that you really had no Wisdom and without Love at all.
Also, know that you’re not effective in hiding your person. Your decaying odor still stinks out, making us know that you’re still the same, foolish person.
May God have mercy on your soul.
To Kay,
YOU SAID: If babes is wrong and babe is correct, does it matter? the message is still the same, YOu are spiritually immature!, you are always focusing on the literal aspect of every word. You are bound by literalism.
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You are indeed truly misleading people, just like Adventist777 who is a frustrated pretender.
It would have been understandable if you truly do not know the language or you just unintentionally made a mistake in grammar. But the way it appears that you are intentionally perverting what you know is correct, you indeed not only have a mental problem, much more spiritual.
Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
You truly need spiritual maturity, much better to say, spiritual healing.
May God have mercy on your soul.
To Kay,
RE: Post 158
YOU SAID: If babes is wrong and babe is correct, does it matter? the message is still the same, YOu are spiritually immature!, you are always focusing on the literal aspect of every word. You are bound by literalism.
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You are indeed truly misleading people, just like Adventist777 who is a frustrated pretender.
It would have been understandable if you truly do not know the language or you just unintentionally made a mistake in grammar. But the way it appears that you are intentionally perverting what you know is correct, you indeed not only have a mental problem, much more spiritual.
Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
You truly need spiritual maturity, much better to say, spiritual healing.
May God have mercy on your soul.
To Bro. EYES,
May God continously pour his wisdom in you, You are the light in your congregation.
We both know that LOVE is unmeasurable, it is beyond geometric nor arithmetical measurement.
To Tony Santos,
Brother, I have something for you : read Matthew chapter 7
Goodbye & God bless !!!
To all the oppositions out there. Your arguments stink, you know? But sorry, all your ad hominem is not considered logical. Why not just read your Bible to support your beliefs instead of personal attacks and “what ifs”? Reading the Bible wisely to prove your belief is easier than crafting fallacies.
But just be sure that when you read your Bible, don’t interpret it to avoid yourself contradicting other verses in the Bible; let the Bible interpret itself.
Read, read, read!
Isaiah 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
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May the Word be with you.
To Otan
Isaiah 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
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NO one these shall fail? if yes, then why did paul narrated the ff:
“Who also hath made us able ministers of the New Testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.” (II Cor. 3:6)
The letters pertain to the written code of Law of Moses (WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY INCLUDED IN THE BOOK OF THE LORD), whom he stated that it KILLS.
If it truly kills, then it fails its intent to give life eternal!
But again the Prophet said it will not fail because God said: “for my mouth it hath commanded”
So Otan how can we solve this seemngly contradictory statements?
To Kay (post #166),
Since you asked me directly, let me respond but be aware that I will not give a period to this answer. Bro. Eli and or other members who are taught by bro. Eli can give you more accurate biblical answer.
My response:
There is no contradiction between Isa 34:16 and 2 Cor 3:6.
But the contradiction entered when you sited:
The letters pertain to the written code of Law of Moses (WHICH IS ABSOLUTELY INCLUDED IN THE BOOK OF THE LORD), whom he stated that it KILLS.
You incorrectly mixed Paul and Isaiah’s words and implied that it is the book of the Lord that kills; but, it’s not what Prophet Isaiah and Apostle Paul really wants to tell.
What does Isaiah wants people to read?
Isaiah 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.
The answer is the book of the LORD. And Isaiah then pointed out that no one of these shall fail.
But in 2 Cor 3:6, Paul is telling us something that kills.
2 Corintians 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
Is it the book of the LORD that kills according to Paul? No. it is the letter that killeth according to Paul. Let’s ask Paul, “Saint Paul, you said that the letter kills. Is this “letter” that kills the same as the “book of the LORD” that doesn’t fail?
2 Cor 3:3 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart.
There it is. If you read the verse 3 that precedes the verse 6, you will understand that “the letter” that is being contrasted with the “Spirit” in verse 6 is actually the tables of stone.
And the table of stone is the the ten commandments. (Please read the biblical proof in this blog of Bro. Eli https://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/the-covenant-on-the-fleshy-tables-of-the-heart/
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And the ten commandments (which is the table of stone Saint Paul is talking about) is not the entirety of book of the LORD.
I hope that is clear enough.
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Let me give you an example of an application of Isa. 34:16.
In Genesis chapter 3, the Bible speaks about a talking serpent, a subtle serpent. What or who is that serpent? You know that that serpent is satan. But you have to prove that that serpent is satan. There is a proof and the proof is in the Bible itself. All you have to do is search and read the Bible. I will not give you the proof that the serpent is satan; I want you to search and read the Bible. I’m not actually obliging you to do this; I’m just giving you an example. But if you’re game, then do it. 🙂
And while reading the Bible you encountered some trouble, just ask “The Seer” Bro. Eli Soriano.
To Otan,
There it is. If you read the verse 3 that precedes the verse 6, you will understand that “the letter” that is being contrasted with the “Spirit” in verse 6 is actually the tables of stone.
And the table of stone is the the ten commandments. (Please read the biblical proof in this blog of Bro. Eli https://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/15/the-covenant-on-the-fleshy-tables-of-the-heart/
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And the ten commandments (which is the table of stone Saint Paul is talking about) is not the entirety of book of the LORD.
I hope that is clear enough.
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Your prescription did not solve the crisis Mr. Otan! WHY? the problem is still there,
I know that the letters pertains to the 10 commandments.
THIS COMMANDMENTS IS PART OF THE BOOK OF THE LORD, right? Of course! TORAH is part of the OLD TESTAMENT
Therefore it is HOLY- “for my mouth it hath commanded”
but II Cor. 3:6 clearly stated that the 10 commandment killeth
do you see the contradiction in logic HERE? So from the above premises , i think it is safe to ask which view is faulty?
Prophet Isaiah, St. Paul or mine?
I think it is time to hear bro. eli on this issue!
Thank you for trying……God bless!
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In Genesis chapter 3, the Bible speaks about a talking serpent, a subtle serpent. What or who is that serpent? You know that that serpent is satan. But you have to prove that that serpent is satan. There is a proof and the proof is in the Bible itself. All you have to do is search and read the Bib
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Well, honestly, I cannot just say that the Serpent is SATAN, Why?
1. …. remember the brazing serpent in the OLD TESTAMENT? if the symbolism of serpent is entirely dark, Moses should not be commanded to make the same image of it.
“And the lord said to MOses, “Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole, and evey one who is bitten when he sees it, shall live (Numbers 21:8 ).
………when he sees it, SHALL LIVE!
2. …..remember the words of the lord about……”be wise as a serpent in the gospel of Matthew?
if Serpent is the symbol of the Evil ONe then Jesus would not advised is apostles to show themselves as wise as the Serpent, exchanging the word Serpent to Evil One will be like this: ” Be wise as the Evil one” so I think the serpent is not the Evil ONE in the metaphorical language of those time.
I think bro. eli needs clarify also this issue!
thanks!
Hello again Kay,
Yes, the 10 commandments is part of the book of the LORD.
But it doesn’t mean that because the 10 commandments which is part of the book kills, the whole book of the LORD then kills. (By the way, Paul did not say that the 10 commandments failed. What he say is that it kills.)
We cannot generalize that the whole book of the LORD kills, because Christ’s words are spirit, life.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
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The book of the LORD must be taken as a whole in its entirety. The book of the LORD in order to be true must be taken as a whole.
Psalms 119:160 (ASV) The sum of thy word is truth; And every one of thy righteous ordinances endureth for ever.
The truth that is the entire book of the LORD includes the letter of Apostle Paul to Corintians where he says that the 10 commandments kills. Now, did the book of the LORD failed when Apostle Paul said that the 10 commandments kills? No. What we got is the truth.
The 10 commandments that kills doesn’t mean a failure of the book of the LORD.
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I’m not really good at laying out points especially in English but I hope you understand what I’m trying to express.
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By the way, about the serpent. There is a transcribed Bible Exposition of bro. Eli that touches the topic on the serpent. You can read it here:
http://www.angdatingdaan.org/segments/seg_bs_1_pf.htm
and here:
http://www.angdatingdaan.org/biblicaltopics/bib_bible_3_pf.htm
To Miss Otan
Psalms 119:160 (ASV) The sum of thy word is truth; And every one of thy righteous ordinances endureth for ever.
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This is exactly my point my friend, “EVERYONE of thy RIGHTEOUS ORDINANCES ENDURETH FOREVER
The 10 commandments as a whole is a righteous ordinance coming from the mouth of the God it will endureth forever.
IF 1O commandments are righteous ordinances of God then how come it killeth?
The article : The Roman catholic church is not the true church of God is nonsense whoever made it- He is blind!
Why?
If the Catholic church is not the true church it means that the spirit of God is not in them. Right?
But the catholic church is the one that compiled the Bible! Are they not?
If those catholic members that are responsible for the compilation of the Bible have no inspiration coming from God because they belong not to the true church, then the Bible cannot be termed as a HOLY BOOK!
Yabang nalang ninyo yan!
Caroline,
I think you are the one who is blind. Blinded by your fanaticism to your Catholic doctrines which is against the Bible.
That’s right, the spirit of God is not in them. God does not dwell in people who are idol worshiper.
Do you have any evidence that the Catholic Church compiled the Bible? Ha ha ha nagyayabang ang ignoramus. Kung ako sa iyo buksan mo ang Bibliya mo. Basahin mo and do a little research about history of the Catholic Church. Makikita mo
The Roman Catholic Church is really Not The True Church of God. According to the Bible.
About Kay’s comment #170
It is true that the word of God will last even if heaven and earth passed away.
But hey, haven’t you read in matthews that God said to Peter when Peter suggested to make a tabernacle for Elijah and Abraham and Jesus? The voice said to Peter, hear Jesus!
We should now listen to Jesus Christ because the old law was replaced by the new law, which is the law of faith.
I say, you read the verse again and when you think you changed your belief say your piece/peace!
To elmantheman
We should now listen to Jesus Christ because the old law was replaced by the new law, which is the law of faith.
reply: then do not use anymore Jeremiah 6:16!
To elmantheman
elmantheman: replaced by the new law whch is the law of faith!
reply: Can you cite a single verse from the synoptics proving that there is a law of faith?
Kay,
Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one can come to the Father but by Him.
Please read again Jeremiah 6:16
Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
There are prophecies and commandments that are meant to be executed by Jesus Christ and about Him. And I believe that this is one of them.
You do not know the law of faith?
Romans 3:
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
to elmantheman.
You do not know the law of faith?
Romans 3:
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
31Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
reply: I asked you to cite a verse from the synoptics, but you quoted from other source, meaning there is really no Law of faith mention in the 4 gospels which brings us to a reality that There is no Law of Faith commanded by Jesus our Lord as a matter of scriptures Jesus commanded us to follow the commandments, renounce the world, carry your own cross meaning we need to work for our salvation, aside from that , his brother James informed us that Faith without work is dead.
“Was not Abraham our Father Justified by works when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? do you see how FAITH WORKED WITH HIS WORKS,AND FROM THE WORK FAITH WAS MADE COMPLETE? And the scriptures was fulfilled which says: “Abraham believed God, and it was imputed to him for righteosness, and he was called teh freind of God.” YOU SEE THEN HOW A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY WORKS, AND NOT BY FAITH ONLY? “( James 2: 21-24)
“for whoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all for he who said” do not commit adultery” also said ” do not commit murder” but if you do not commit adultery , yet if you murder , you have become the transgressor of the law, So speak and do as those who shall be judge by the LAW of LIBERTY. ( James 2:10-12)
in short: the LAW of MOSES is the LAW of LIberty , a liberty experienced in submission.
To elmantheman
Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.
reply: the cited verse above is crystal clear, – Old path and not New path!
“For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light (Proverb 6:23)
“The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul; the statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart, the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.
(Psalm 19:7-8)
On works not by faith alone:
“for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned (matthew 12:37)
“A person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone” ( James 2:24)
“Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense, to pay every one FOR WHAT HE HAS DONE ” ( Rev. 22:12)
Elmantheman, do ye know that faith apart from works is BARREN?
to all chatolic believers,good day!
If really the chatolic church is the true church…
Why is it that our country,(mostly chatolic)has been named as #1 corrupt government in the world?
Why is it that people kill each other like dogs,(specially on elections)and still go to church like saints?
why is it that my friend(a chatolic) even enjoys taking his “concubine” along with his wife unknowingly?
Why is it that many priest was link to sexual abuses/scandals and there was no investigation,and still retain their post and still has the nerve to preach the HOLY WORD of GOD?
why is it that there is so many poor chatolics in the world,while in fact,the ROMAN CHATOLIC CHURCH was one of the richest religious organization on the world?
why is it that on our country,the preisthood always voice out their being against prostitution,contraceptives and abortion,while on the VATICAN,(the center of chatolicism) its LEGAL?
and the “WHY” goes on and on and on…
and you know what the simpliest answer is?
That the GOD of the Bible has never stepped HIS foot on CHATOLIC grounds…
nor’ HE had set HIS sight on the hipocracies and pagan festivities which have become a burden to HIM…
and HE has covered HIS ears with the clouds as not to hear the annoying repeatative litany of those blind followers…
no…there has NOT been a “TRUE GOD” that protected those chatolics…
The “ONE” that’s protecting them are the GOVERNMENTS controlled by their TENTACLES…
giving them all the benifits and luxuries of the lands…
exempting them on government liabilities…
THEY ARE THE ONE’S WHOSE IN “CONTROL”…
Now,am I righteous if ill say…
That their GOD is their BELLY?…That chatolics only follow if they think that it would benifit them?(that explains the rampant corruption on this land)
To catholic,
it is not true that the catholic churchhad prederved the bible.. It si God who preserved it for us.. as the Lord has said, The Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words are forever..
So, It is so foolish for someone to claim that his religion had preserve the bible.. Im sorry but thats what the bible says..
And just for the record, it is your congregation who changed a lot words to particular verses that changed the real meaning of it..
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to Kay and catholic friends,
my observation is you are not reading the bible.
but if you read and understand the context,am really sure
that you will never go inside your church.
To Kay and catholic……..
WAKE UP…in tagalog,GISING!…you are having a nigthmare in the middle of the day……meaning,,,.. BINABANGUNGOT” kayo!!!!!!!
Where can you find in the BIBLE that CHRISTIAN killed his fellow men….give me the VERSE pls.!!!!
But I guarantee you,YOU WILL NEVER FIND!!!
CHRISTIANS are the one who killed,but never in the BIBLE you can fined the verse that Christian’s killed…
You know why fellas?..JESUS CHRIST teaches us to love our enemies,if you love your ENEMY,you’re not going to kill him just like you CATHOLIC did in a what you called…HOLY INQUISITION,just bcoz those people don’t want to join you..
Any congregation that KILLED@..they are NOT OF GOD….and when you’re not of GOD…YOU ARE OF,,,
….JOHN 8:44(pls do me a favor,READ THIS VERSE).
to comment #183
“CHRISTIANS are the one who killed”
trixter, you mean “are the one who are killed”. you forgot the word “are”. To every individual who still uphold the Bible, congrats. To the rest who are still stubborn, fine then. Let the masked rider wars begin! Featuring the Masked Riders (aka The Church of God) Vs. the Bad Guyz (Satan and Sons). In other words, let’s settle this issue in Megiddo. See ya. Anyway, May the Lord be with us always!
sa io adventist777,u really lost ur sanity.Broder Eli GOD Bless.
Kay,
What is your basis that synoptics are only the basis of salvation? Aren’t you a gentile, based on the definition in the bible? And if you are, then it’s completely idiotic of you to believe of salvation and at the same time disregarding the other books in the Holy Bible that states the law of faith for most of it talks about salvation for the gentiles!
The law of faith contains works that we need to work out for our salvation. The law of Moses is different from the law of faith but both have works to be followed.
Where in my post did I claim that faith and work is neither needed or only one is needed? It is you who do not understand which specific work and law of faith is being commanded to Christians. YOu are obviously confusing and using two different works as if they are one.
I hope you can watch a clip of this topic where a foreigner asked Bro Eli about faith and work. I hope our brethren can give a link about this in youtube.com
Kay
Do you think based on your comment #174 that the old law being mentioned includes the commandment being given to other prophets?
Have you forgotten that Moses has a separate law given to him for the Israelites, whilst the other prophets prophesied things that include commandments that is needed by the past, present and future people on earth to be followed?
In short, Israelites has their own law and every law on the verse states too who should follow it or to whom it is intended for.
Hey, you really need a help on studying the bible again so that those interpretation by people you thought to be authorities in the bible be corrected.
Please think about it, you might be following things that are not meant for you. You can be swallowing a poisonous drug that you wish to take in even if the doctor’s prescription was given not to you, but to someone else.
Please continue reading here and may God finds you pleasing to His sight.
Hi Jet, I don’t understand why you criticized Gods message. Your right it is not in the bible. This is new information. It came right from God not the bible. Some one made some changes in the bible. They are the one that is in trouble not me. Someone took the words First is Last and Last is First out of Revelation. It was on the first page first column. The Roman Catholic Church, Constantine, changed what John wrote in the bible. Now I think they took it out was because they didn’t understand it. God also had this message to say.
We each die in succession, then we are born on the same day.
Now I don’t know if that is in the bible or not. If it is not in the bible. This is also new information. Just when did you think God stopped talking to people. Now I have proof that he talked to me.
Jet, another thing you should know is that the Romans put the bible together. And they wrote it to suit their beliefs. Gods word in in there, but so is the word of man. That is why God talked to me. He wants his words put first. The meaning of First is Last is his biggest issue. I see you have your own issues with the bible. Your issues are not his.
I picked this quote from another blogger here:
We can argue day in and day out whether Peter is a rock or a pebble, but we cannot conveniently drop the verse where Christ handed Peter the keys to the gates of heaven. Christ did institute apostolic authority.
Now if this could be true. Peter never gave the Keys to the Roman Catholic Church. The Romans are enemies of the Jews. Now God told me that James has the Key. Or he has one of the Keys. Anyway Saint James is at the Gate not Peter. Now I also have a Key so there is more than one Key. If the Catholic Church has a key it doesn’t open or get you in anywhere. The Church is lying, and they have been lying for a least a thousand years.
Further more the Roman Catholic Church can not prove that one word in the bible is the word of God. Now the difference that I have is that I can prove everything I have written is true. You may not understand the proof but I have proof. Amen
Jet you wrote to me:
“The doctrine of the holy trinity is not biblical. Stop your hallucinations. Don’t wait for a dumb ass to speak to you.”
I am not sure how to reply to this. I am not sure what you are saying here, except that you think I am hallucinating.
Should I wait on your dumb ass reply?
response to the inquisition propaganda:we don’t deny the evils commited by some members of christianity nor do we claim that the church instituted to save the sinners is ONLY FILLED WITH HOLY PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE CENTURIES…unlike soriano who keeps making excuses for his own mistakes…..
Catholic, I read your post over and over. Basicly because it wasn’t clear what your saying. I think what you are saying is that you support the Catholic Church. And my question is, Why? The Inquistion was evil. That is clear. Currently Preists are sexually abusing children. That is clearly evil. Then the Catholic Church has the balls to say that they are the true Church. Now, Catholic, God talked to me. God did not go to the Pope. I like the Pope but he didn’t say one word to the Pope. Why is that? Also what mistake did Soriano make? I don’t see any mistakes?
mistakes? look at his mistakes in youtube! he already made a lot of contradicting statements! and don’t conclude that all priest abuse children, could you prove to me that every priest in the world commits those crimes? the inquisition is evil, we didn’t deny that, but we also didn’t claim that it is holy…….
to catholic,
why dont you cite a mistake of B.eli?
to Leo,
regarding to what catholic mentioned about bro. eli in you tube, i found of his speech answering ” yes or no” question, if his church is a true church or not, he did not gave the answer….maybe that what catholic mean…if i am not mistake…
many of his speech in you tube are in the language of philipine in which i dont understand…
but i find this one is interesting…
check this web….
and with regards to his post about the catholic church LUMEN GENTIUM, he clearly misundertood it. GO TO THIS SITE:http://www.catholic.com/library/Salvation_Outside_the_Church.asp that will explain everything, and with regards to other church doctrines, go to http://www.catholic.com which will answer all your questions….about alexander VI, infallability is different from impeccability! alexander vi may have committed a lot of sin but he never taught any heresy since the Holy Spirit prevented that! don’t mistake infallability with impeccability!
any replies? for you people i want you to see for yourself in youtube the super super many contradictions of eli soriano! and besides, visit this site for all you add members:http://elisoriano.t35.com/48_ikaANIMnaBAHAGI.htm
praying that you may discover the one true church that christ purchased with his blood……
CATHOLIC
To Melanie Steffen,
Just a little comment respond to your comment for catholic….
If God talk to you…then why you have to come to Bro. Eli? If you listen to Bro. Eli, then catholic also listen to the Pope right?
The Catholic Church is the True Church Founded by Jesus Christ.
To Santai,
You asked why I came to Bro. Eli? Very simply I came to sites where people are talking about God. I have been to at least 100 sites spreading the message about First is Last and Last is First. Why God came to me with his message, I just don’t know. I do know that before I came here, in Heaven I knew God. I loved him very much. I do not remember loving him now that I am on Earth. In a dream he told me that my love for him was so great that I would have given my life for him. I put him above me, he is more important than I am. I don’t remember God, I wouldn’t know what he looked like if he passed me on the street right now.
Back to the Pope Benedict XVI. This is a little bit of proof in what I have been saying. The Pope was in New York, NY this year. He was on the news and it was also his birthday. The day is April 16. I didn’t know his birthday until 2008. This may not be a day of memory to you, but I will never forget this date. In the year 2006, April 16 was Easter. Easter is the day Jesus is resurrected. The Pope is born on the day of the Resurrection. This is also the dream date. That means the Pope goes to Heaven. God likes the Pope even though the bible is not completely accurate. Even though the Catholic Church claims to be the true Church, which we know is not true. So it doesn’t matter what you think you know. Being wrong on scripture doesn’t keep you out of Heaven. It just doesn’t matter. That is right, you don’t have to believe in Jesus either. Now the reason why the year 2006 is so important is that it is the year of the dreams from God.
You don’t have to take my word on this, get your 2006 calendar out . Go google “Birthday of Pope Benedict”.
Last of all you don’t have to believe what I told you either. You can also check the dates I started blogging, all of my blogs on God are after April 16, 2006. I started blogging months after April 16, 2006. It could have been 2007 when I started blogging.
Before I go. God also told me that Richard Dawkins, author of “God Delusion” and outspoken athiest, goes to Heaven. God said that he is an embrassment, but he is fond of him. He thinks of him as a pet. So you don’t even have to believe in God to go to Heaven. Melanie Steffen
PhilansCFD. You really know your history. E. Soriano & his followers are trying to rewrite history. They’re deceived by the devil.
Jesus founded only one church which St. Ignatius in 107 A.D. called the Catholic Church. All other church are founded by men including Eli Soriano’s church.
WAKE UP PILIPINO. DON’T FOLLOW THE DEVIL.
melanie ,
I think you need to present your self to a psychiatrist for your own good.Most likely you have this ‘delusion granduer’ you are talking to your self and you think that its God! I will pray for
you and may God bless you.
To all ADD,
Is your church based and founded in the bible?
I think its founded by Eli soriano and started in the Philippines.if you say yes, then, when ?Tell me where in the Bible NT from Matthew to revelation the ADD started to exist.How did it came to be.
Simple Questions using who,where ,when ,and how will lead you to the right answer,ADD is not of God ,not founded by Jesus Christ.ADD is not even Biblical .Its based only on one Person,that is Eli soriano.
The Catholic Church is the church founded by Jesus Christ.the church is founded not on a book .Yes, not on the Bible but on a person who is our Lord.Christ founded it and willed it to last until the last days to spread the good news of salvation to all ends of the world.
The Bible as we know now was only canonised in the 4th century.Our Bible, so as all your Bible was canonised by the Catholic Church.For in the church The Holy Spirit dwell and primarilly works.
Without you knowing it All ADD is subscribing to the authourity of this church.
In 1 Timothy 3 :15 it says ,The church of the living God is the foundation and pillar of truth’.
Of course this is not the ADD ,otherwise the truth would only have started this last century that would be absurd ,and would also a mockery against God to say so .Imagine an All powerful God started a church only to fail,is that possible?no!
Jesus said and promised that He will send the Holy Spirit,He also said ‘I will be with you until the consumation of the world’ Remember when he said,’ the gates of hell shall not prevail against her’
To whom he said these words? of course to Peter and to the rest of the apostles.And that ‘her’ is the church and thas the Catholic Church!
To all ADD you are in my prayers God bless you and may all the Blessed Mother of Jesus pray for you all.Amen!
ibe take your people home take your people home the Battle is over
my name is prince ibe from owerria imo state that battle for the children of Israel
thanks you my Lord my GOD
Please tell me more about you and what you mean by ,the Battle is finished.
Are you a prophet proclaiming what?
^_^
Another hopeless detractor of the ever standing Catholic Church
Funny, almost all non-catholic denominations highlights the same thing. The question, can all them be the fount of truth? Think again, read Job 14:4
Psa 127:1 A Song of the going up. Of Solomon. If the Lord is not helping the builders, then the building of a house is to no purpose: if the Lord does not keep the town, the watchman keeps his watch for nothing.
1Ti 3:15 But if I am long in coming, this will make clear to you what behaviour is right for men in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and base of what is true.
It is true that the Lumen Gentium states that the church of Christ is present and operative in other churches or ecclesiastical communities not yet fully in communion with the Catholic Church…?
It is true that the Roman Catholic Church committed mistakes in the Crusades and Inquisition…
It is true that The Roman Catholic Church had popes that are vicious, cruel and inhumane…
It is true that The Roman Catholic Church asked for forgiveness in the atrocities that she had done through the span of 2,000 years…
And it is true that The Roman Catholic Church had learned from its mistakes.
This only proves that the Roman Catholic Church is also learning and reforming…
You should study the History of the Roman Catholic Church carefully my dear brother before you say something. If you really want to understand the Catholic Church, study her history and you’ll be enlightened.
The Bible that you are using came from our church. If you claim that you have the authentic copy of the sacred scriptures then show me the original copy written in the languages of hebrew and greek so that you’ll enlighten me. And if you claim that you are biblical, why are you judging your brothers and sisters?
Our faith is based on Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Tradition… it is a fact and not a mere invention.
St. Cyprian of Carthage said that “outside the Church there is no salvation.” But you didn’t know why did he said that. Again, look at the context why the person had written that and to whom it was addressed then you will understand why.
Let me stress this:
The devil tried to destroy the Roman Catholic Church through persecution but failed.
Again, the devil tried to destroy the Catholic Church by attacking it from within by heresies and schisms but failed. Still, the Roman Catholic Church stands.
TO Mel,
Our faith is based on Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Tradition… it is a fact and not a mere invention…
My say:
This only proves your church is not the Church of the Bible!Let me add, the Catholics Church does not own the Bible as you claim.
to adlib vai,
i wonder if the church of soriano or your church compiled the Bible. if soriano or your church compiled it, how do you or soriano came up with the arrangement of the books and letters in the Bible? how do you know what books or letters are authentic? what books, letters should come first, what should come third, last, etc? without the catholic church, your church or soriano’s church would not exist. to tell you again, the catholic church doesn’t own the bible, the catholic church proved the authenticity of the books of the bible.
to adlib vai,
i wonder if the church of soriano or your church compiled the Bible. if soriano or your church compiled it, how do you or soriano came up with the arrangement of the books and letters in the Bible? how do you know what books or letters are authentic? what books, letters should come first, what should come third, last, etc? without the catholic church, your church or soriano’s church would not exist. to tell you again, the catholic church doesn’t own the bible, the catholic church proved the authenticity of the books of the bible.
NO YOUR WRONG, ACTUALLY WITHOUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THE WORLD IS MUCH PEACEFULL TODAY.. YOU ROMAN CATHOLICS MEMBERS ARE BLINDED BY YOUR PRIEST I SUGGEST YOU READ THE BIBLE TO KNOW THAT THE TRUE ANTI CHRIST IS THE ROMAN CATHOLIC.. IM SORRY TO SAY BUT ROMAN CATHOLICS TEACHINGS CONTRADICTS THE BIBLE…
I’ve seen this many times, I’m a Catholic, I do not deny what mistakes our church has done, if you people are real Christians, why do you keep attacking other people? You keep attacking Catholics by exposing their mistakes and the Bible doesn’t say that.
Just like Pastors, we ask Saints to pray for us because they’re closer to God than us. Don’t keep barking as if you’ve been inside the Catholic church and have studied our Canon law >.< and you've been a Bishop or priests. I don't understand, you keep attacking us, we remain quiet because it is true and secondly we don't like attacking back, "What you do unto others, is what you do unto me." If you keep attacking people, years later they'll attack you back MORE. In short words Karma. Instead of promoting Universal brotherhood, you promote Dividing all people.
Yes, the Catholic know very well about this Pope Alexander VI. I have a book “A Compact History of the Popes” published by the Catholic Church and I searched on it other five popes which anti-Catholics charge with immorality. Alexander VI was the worst of them. It was said that he sat on the chair of Peter with the mark of the devil on his forehead. People did not consider him a real pope. They prayed for the demise of this man . So there is still a big good portion of the church left! Some question to you Bro. Eli : Will God condemn Sodom and Gomorrah if there are ten good people left? And will Jesus condemn all of His apostles if one of them is a traitor? I think you are unjust and unmerciful, Bro. Eli. When Alexander VI died, the Romans “breathed a sign of relief”. The gate of hell never prevailed against the church. The glory of Blessed Peter will not be extinguished by the unworthiness of his successor. Bro. Eli, how could you know if the Rock foundation is so strong? It was tested so many times with many kinds of terrible trials which are still going on until now. Satan occupied the chair of Peter as one of the biggest test and did other lots of things but he never prevailed over the church! Jesus was true to His words, the church still survived. Of course Satan is not wise because even the Rock can not be destroyed, he still keep on hitting it. But Christ was true to His words and He even said we have nothing to fear.
Brother Eli, thank you for the wisdom granted from above. I myself, I have nothing of my own, zero, what I do have is the love of God that keeps burning and keeps me going everyday. our material possessions are not ours. they all belong to our God. The only item we claim that is ours is our deeds. what we sow here on earth, is what we will reap in heaven, when our time comes to go back yo His said kingdom. Iam a stroke survivor myself, I used to be strong, active as to speak, I suffered a stroke that almost took my life in 2007, 2 months after my 6 months deployment in Iraq. After serving 21years in the Navy, I felt in my heart as If God was telling me that’s enough, for I worked for living since I was 3rd year high school in the philippines. serving God should be our priority in our daily schedule. please read last part of Ecclesiastes, the Preacher, our sole duty to serve God and fear Him alone. The Rebultos. they are not even worth of burning them, false Gods. sorry folks. I burn stupid statues, Did not God say whoever trust in them, are like them also. little learning is a dangerous thing fellows. And if you don’t know, why not ask God to help you understand what you are reading, so you won’t be misled. this is me melchor Quitoriano, believer of the Spirit of Truth, the current name of our true God, this era of the Holy Spirit.
To ADD members, study the origin of your church first before barking the Catholic Church, your church is only existed after INC. That is history and nobody can deny it. The truth is there is no ADD nor INC on the 18th century in the Philippines. If you know somebody an ADD member name on that era, i will give my last penny as a reward. . .
The Catholic church rooted from the pagan belief and that is history and nobody can deny it as well. ADD is the program name and the ADD teaches the church that was established by Jesus Christ some 2000 years ago and that is the Church of God.
Turn your eyes upon Jesus.
HAHAHAHA! NICE TRY BRO ELI!
I’m actually tempted to reply to this post point by point, the way I did to Heavens Knights article titled “The Advantage of Being Biblical: …” But then, Heaven’s Knight chickened out as he could not handle my rebuttals, so he simply deleted all of them. Your article Bro Eli is full of lies and distortions, just as lame as Heaven’s Knights article. They can be easily refuted. Of course, how can I be sure if my reply will not be deleted again, this time by Bro Eli? Replying to this post always involves the risk of wasting time, effort and energy, especially if the truth is too much to handle. Heavens Knight taught me that, if you know what I mean! To all those who adored Bro Eli’s article, let me just say, not too fast. You missed out on a lot of things that could truly enlighten your mind. Your praise for Bro Eli only shows how darkened your knowledge is. Sorry to say that, but it’s the truth!
Then debate with Bro. Eli and do NOT be a coward, be a man!. Maybe Heavens Knight have taught you lies instead.
Correction: I’m MANNY CRUZ, not MAANY CRUZ
many have proven RCC doctrines non-Biblical…its a long long long thread in the internet, but they can’t accept the fact. Have you try to hear our (ADD) doctrines and compare to yours? How can you judge or discern the truth if you focuses on one side only and never hear the other side? Ask and compare! Compare and judge!
MCGI (ADD) doctrines are from the Bible, you only refuted the personality of our preacher….that’s all you can do…to make false statements about Bro. Eli.
Bro. Eli’s blog is full of wisdom. You will be enlighted once read. Unlike other blogs who called themselves defenders of their faith, they were just twisted the truth written in the Bible…and still have guts to call theirselves servants of God….ohhh maybe servant of their god (belly)?
100% the greatest religion is not the true religion written in the Bible!!!
the ill-feeling of an RCC members once refuted is not anymore new, for I myself felt the same anger when I heard Bro. Eli, preaching the same topic in his program “Ang Dating Daan” at channel 21 that time. The anger I felt turns to grace and little by little, God shows me His mercy when I understand his teachings are true, nothing but the truth for it was all based in the Bible. I myself is also a defender of faith that time. But when I heard Bro. Eli’s preaching, wow…. i told to myself He is the messenger of God sent today. Thanks be to God for His unspeakable gift.
I so agree with Brother Eli. To those who blogging here against Bro. Eli are fools/stupid/insane. The Catholic doctrines are clearly inventions, full of hypocrisy and full of non-sense.
The truth is: I have a catholic friend (an elderly) whom I always help to fix something in her apartment, she has all these catholic graven images, rosary and novena sets. She always pray the rosary everyday and does the novena, goes to the church for their scheduled so-called “Holy hour”.
One time, after helping her fixed something in her apartment, she invited me along with my wife to treat us to her favorite restaurant. And while we were waiting for our food, actually we waited for a little bit longer because the restaurant was packed. Soon as our food arrived, she went rude to the waitress fiercely saying that “We’ve been waiting for our order!”. That caught my attention and my wife and I were looking at each other in our thoughts that it shouldn’t be necessary to get rude to somebody especially if that person is just trying his/her best to do the job, and to think the restaurant is packed. So I was like “Com’on, be considerate” (just in my thoughts).
On our way back home, my wife and I couldn’t really help but to talk about our elderly friend, my wife was even so opposed of what our elderly friend’s reaction to the waitress.
So, this only proves that: praying the rosary, doing the novena, attending to the church “holy hour” and other catholic activities WILL NOT do anyone good. It will NOT and will NEVER make you a better person at all. Some told me that if you will meditate along with praying the rosary, it will make you feel better and feel God’s presence. But I replied back to them, that is only psychological, because sometimes if you do something and think about it positively then it is true that you feel better, you feel good. But that doesn’t mean that it is correct, because doing something correctly sometimes discomforts you especially if you are tightly accustomed to you have been used to.
To those who are die-hard to defend the catholic faith, THINK again before you post another message to this blog! Like: “Do I have sufficient knowledge to disprove the accusations against the catholic?” If you post anything according to your emotions or anger then you are just being desperate and even stupid.
However, all the accusations against the Catholic Church are proven facts. When William Tyndale translated the latin translation to english in his belief that the bible should be spread, read and be understood by the public and distributed copies in England, the Catholic authorities ordered to burn every copy of the english translation from Tyndale and even accused him of Heresy and led him to be executed.
God doesn’t authorize anybody to murder or kill his fellowmen, even Jesus said that if any man who plants hatred or is angry to his fellowmen without any reason is guilty of murder.
So, does it still prove that the Catholic Church is the true Church? THINK AGAIN!
To all bloggers:
Do not be too blind. Study the history of the bible and you will learn the church established in Matthew 16:18. It’s not ADD or the INK or any protestant group. It is the Catholic Church.
IF CATHOLIC IS THE TRUE CHURCH, WHY IS IT THEN THAT PHILIPPINES ITSELF WANT TO EXCOMMUNICATE THEIR CURRENT PRESIDENT, THEIR OWN AND WHAT DO WE CALL THIS PEOPLE I CALL THEM GENERATIONS OF MORONS HEADED BY THE STUPID POPE. WANNA BITCH, COME AND SEE ME IN PERSON.M YNAME is Chief Quitoriano of the US NAVY FROM CAOAYAN ILOCOS SUR. I AM NOT IDIOT LIKE PACQUIAO, HE IS ONLY GOOD WITH HIS FISTS.
The truth is whoever their so called highest leader is aint no better than our late Ferrdinand Edralin Marcos. Fellows i already had a massive stroke and God reveals the secret to those who are worthy and whom He called. I donot claim im good, all im saying is i know something you don’t. Comprende Amigo. gracias Thank You my God Dios Absoluto o Dios Puro sangalan ng Iyong Anak aking Panginoon Hesus.God Almighty is His name. now we are in the era of the Holy Spirit. He is now the Comforter if you continue reading and understanding your Bible. if you do not understand, ask God And it shall be given onto you how to pray read Matthew chapter 7 verse 7
Can I ask a question?
Can you please explain this if the Roman Catholic Church is not the true church of Christ and if you say that you as members of Church of God International is a part of the true church that Christ founded, then where were you for the past 2000 years, before Bro. Eli Soriano was born, I mean what is the name of that church that Christ founded and can you please name a local congregation which is a part of the overall true church of Christ and its address. for it is written:
Mat 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
It is clear that Christ is with His church since the time He founded it until now and even to the end of the world. And I do believe that it is logical to say that the true church cannot be lost (not in existence) from the history since it was founded for Christ never leave it. Can you state for me a local congregation that is a part of the whole body of Christ before MCGI came to existence?
thank you for dropping in Bro. Eli’s blogsite Janrey.
You are right in your belief that true church cannot be lost, it is clearly satisfied by verse Mat 28:20. The true church is the one written in the Bible. And those who will follow the doctrines of that true church is members/followers. How they follow the true church? Through letters written by the apostles and prophets and other writers, which is the Bible. So if you are leaving in the past after apostles death, those following what is written are Christians, followers of Christ. They are not so great in numbers, actually many of them were killed and burn at stake by great religious denomination. Do you think those Christians have siblings? And siblings followed those doctrines in the past and so forth and so on, until the Bible reached the Philippines. Do you think those Filipinos at whatever years had read the Bible will not follow whats in it? Of course they will follow it, but again they were little in numbers, while great religious denominations were also sprouting worldwide as written. And now, at the end of times, our dispensation, where knowledge is increasing rapidly, as Prophet Daniel wrote:
Dan_12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
But the WISE shall understand.
From little to many, God’s men will praise Him, as written in:
Jer 30:19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.
So, since Members Church of God is multiplying as promise by God, you are now getting to know us, you are now aware that there is a group of Christians in the Philippines following the doctrines of Christ, no more no less.
If you really want to know the truth about the true church of God, we invited you to investigate first, hear our doctrines, hear our presiding minister Bro. Eli. Investigate.
Thanks be to God!
Is Peter the Rock? Eliseo, please do not distort what is clearly written in the Book! It said very clearly that Peter is the Rock! Don’t you know that divine inspiration is not only confined to the Evangelists, other writers of the Books but also to the modern scribes and translators? Of course the old languages have lots of things in store but don’t you know that there are things that can not be properly expressed in the older languages that could be expressed easier and clearer in newer languages? Isn’t it that what God does, He does it very well? He used these newer languages to reveal himself easier to other people? And in such a way that the people could grasp more meanings? Jesus clearly said that Peter is the rock, and you immediately denied it! You can’t even give any simple reason why he was called Rock(Peter)! You can not even give in your own way what is the purpose of Jesus in changing Simon’s name to Peter! You are plainly dumb here! And do not forget that the church (not the bible) is the pillar and foundation of truth! So why not consult the church since you are now lost and blinded in so many interpretations of your own?
Eliseo, one of your followers said that one pope was evil. Here, can’t you see how the devil was really desperate in crumbling the church fall? You are not so different with him, aren’t you? You said that the Church is a total failure! Tempting a pope is one way of ultimate test for the church. But did the whole church crumble? The church is not only made of a pope, do you know that? The Church survived! Did you know that? Do you know that this is consistent with the prophecy, “the gates of hell will not prevail against it”? The gates of hell or forces of evil tested it but did it prevail? The answer is clearly no, is n’t it? The church clearly prevailed and it is still very strong as of now after lots of ultimate test – schisms, heresies, Protestantism, Napoleon, anti-Christs, Communism, Fascism, Nazism, Islam, Barbarians, great wars, great plagues, liberation theology, the modern immorality of some priests, etc. etc. etc. etc…. And even the devil permitted to ride on Peter’s chair such in the case of 14 evil popes, but this is only among the least of the evils compared to schism, heresies, Protestantism, etc. that each time took away half of the church with them! But can you see that these forces of evil prevailed? Never, can’t you?
when eli soriano come to cebu city then he attack the catholic doctrine..im sure he will be see a fight there between him and catholic faith defender..i dont know if eli soriano can stand long time of debate..bcoz as i observe his past debate videos mostly his style is squatter styles.. even the beggars on the streets are open to argue him hehehe pangkalye ang style…while in cebu city all catholic faiht defenders adapt in formal debate style…ORIGON OXFORD the type of dabate…thats why eli soriano afraid to visit in cebu city bcoz he knew already he cannot prosper there…
the lines of Bro. Eli is open for formal debate, if you have the balls, carry on. you know where to contact him. he do not have to visit cebu personally, we are living in high technology today. have you not heard and watched those debates made thru internet and video conference by Bro. Eli? It is not Bro. Eli who is afraid of the debate, it is the one who told him so. For your info, the latest debate happened last week, Bro. Eli and a Seventh day adventist pastor. I salute the braveness of that pastor to face Bro. Eli, not like you, all talks!
jc says:
January 28, 2012 at 2:09 am
[the lines of Bro. Eli is open for formal debate, if you have the balls, carry on. you know where to contact him. he do not have to visit cebu personally, we are living in high technology today. have you not heard and watched those debates made thru internet and video conference by Bro. Eli? It is not Bro. Eli who is afraid of the debate, it is the one who told him so. For your info, the latest debate happened last week, Bro. Eli and a Seventh day adventist pastor. I salute the braveness of that pastor to face Bro. Eli, not like you, all talks!]
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Are you sure jc his line is open for formal debate? How about esoriano blog… is it open also? There are many of us who have balls but even in his own homeground I have not witnessed him engaged in a debate. Try to persuade esoriano management to free the blog and open it for debates like many catholic blogs in the internet. Look what happened to DBASE an MCGI debater when he went to Tumbukin Natin of Cenon Bibe he came out shaken and unable to stand up. Why? Because only a few MCGI are able to engage in a debate. You always rely on your Bro. Eli to argue in place of you. so in the case of DBASE there was not any member of your church able to rescue him from the bombardment he received.
Odan Matig-a,
If you really have the balls to debate Bro. Eli, why you have not show yourself in Bible Exposition held twice a month? You have not seen him engaged in any debate in the Phils because you are maybe sleeping. Check the internet, the mcgi website,and you will see what you have been missed.
What do you mean Ely Soriano The Church Of God in your own Live Life? Are you a (O.L.D.) Bible Pastor or Priest? I am ACADEMIA ROMEO ALOCILLO MASTER GENERAL HOLY WORD N.E.W.S. GROUP? UNITED NATION in JUSTICE ALL GOVERNMENT UNITED ALL RELIGION