The Literary Quality and Wisdom of God’s Word in the Bible that ‘Sam’ Beast will Never Appreciate


Hi Bro. Eli,

I would like to inform you and ask your comment on this writer’s views that the Bible is a “readable mess.” Imagine him saying that and I believe someone like you can readily give answer and refute this non-sense and idiotic claim. It is very saddening to note that this newspaper, the Guardian Unlimited, one of the most influential and popular newspapers in the world, can print this kind of crap. And I believe this article is a “readable mess” — not the Bible.

Hope you will enlighten me and the whole world who are reading this very insightful blog. Thank you very much Bro. Eli and I hope you continue to give us more interesting discussion about matters of faith, religion and spirituality, which is the most important of all discourses that man should be engaged with in these times. Once again, I am thanking God that someone like you were here today in our midst.

Sincerely,


Haruki

 

Dear Haruki,

This is the first installment of my reply to the article of Sam Jordison on Guardian Unlimited entitled “The Bible’s Literary Sin” that you cited.

Only an idiot like Sam Jordison will not be interested in the literary quality of the Bible.

Here are some of his ignorant claims against the Bible which I had printed in red:

“The literary quality of the Bible is an issue that I think is worth addressing.”

“…the Jesus in the New Testament is an unforgiving egomaniac, obsessed with demons, who likes nothing more than to have his dirty feet kissed (Luke 7: 44-5). They might also see that the God they pray to, is, as Evelyn Waugh once quoted Randolph Churchill, “a shit.” Failing that, literalists might at least start taking the instructions about not eating shellfish as seriously as they do those that encourage homophobia, and so lessen the burden on our over-fished seas.”

Almost all of the respected literary writers of the English language were influenced by the literary power of the King James Version (KJV) of the Bible.

Here are few of them:

John Hayes Gardiner of Harvard University once stated that “in all study of English literature, if there be any one axiom which may be accepted without question, it is that the ultimate standard of English prose style is set by the King James version of the Bible”. Compton’s Encyclopedia once said that the King James Version “…has been a model of writing for generations of English-speaking people.”

19th century preacher Charles Spurgeon once declared of author John Bunyan, “Read anything of his, and you will see that it is almost like reading the Bible itself.” Bunyan’s allegorical novel, The Pilgrim’s Progress, was a cornerstone of early Protestant literature; frequently, it would be the second piece of literature translated into the vernacular by missionaries, the first being the King James Version itself — though it is noteworthy that The Pilgrim’s Progress mostly quoted from the Geneva Bible. According to Thomas Macaulay, “he knew no language but the English as it was spoken by the common people; he had studied no great model of composition, with the exception of our noble translation of the Bible. But of that his knowledge was such that he might have been called a living concordance”.

John Milton, author of the blank verse epic poem Paradise Lost, was heavily influenced by the King James Version, beginning his day with a reading from that version of the Bible; in his later life, he would then spend an hour meditating in silence. Milton, who cast two Psalms into meter at the age of 15 while an undergraduate at Cambridge, filled his works with images obviously taken from the Bible.

For more, please visit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_James_Version

Who does Jordison think he is in saying that the Bible has ‘literary sins’? The Christ of the Bible is not an “unforgiving egomaniac who likes nothing more than His dirty feet kissed.” How dare him; and how stupid he is to say that Christ’s feet are dirty.

The writer of the Gospel of Luke is a physician — a medical doctor.

(Colossians 4:14) Luke, the beloved physician, and Demas, greet you.

Never in the Gospel of Luke, that Jordison cited, can he read that Christ’s feet were dirty when kissed by a repenting woman; and never did the Lord Jesus asked the woman to kiss His feet. I wonder how a stupid idiot, who does not even know how to read precisely, like Jordison, can be a literary critic. Tell your lies to the marines in Baghdad; not to the well-read internet.

Luke, being a physician, was the only writer of the Gospel who specifically mentioned of Christ after birth, being laid in a manger. Why? Because a sanitary measure is one of the main concerns of a medical doctor, thus, emphasizing the extra-ordinary person of Christ.

(Luke 2:6-7) And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn.

Note that being a doctor, he (Luke) knows and wrote the term the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.”

And who is that super idiot who told Jordison that, when God prohibited the eating of shellfish to the Israelites, “that the seas then were over-fished”. Although, now, our seas are over-fished, you can still survive without eating shellfish (though it is not prohibited in the New Testament).

(1 Timothy 4:4-5) For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving; for then it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer. RSV

To contribute a little knowledge to this egomaniac Jordison, this weblog advices you to make a little research which will prove that there is wisdom behind God’s prohibition of eating shellfish to the Israelites.
FAST FACTS:

Over the last several years, researchers have identified a widening range of disease agents that can contaminate shellfish. As a result, many experts are now calling for development of more comprehensive tests for determining the safety of fishing grounds. Because the Norwalk and other dangerous viruses are harder to kill than bacteria, experts are urging consumers to steam shellfish longer than is customary.

For more, please visit:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?sec=health&res=9A0DE7D7173CF930A25750C0A960948260

To charge that the Lord Jesus Christ is “obsessed with demons” is blatantly idiotic. A careful reader of the New Testament can easily notice that the primary objective of the preaching of Christ is to do good and to tell people to emulate them. By casting out demons from possessed people (like Jordison), the Lord gives them a new start.

(Acts 10:38) How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

(Luke 8:1-3) And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and showing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him, And certain women, which had been healed of evil spirits and infirmities, Mary called Magdalene, out of whom went seven devils, And Joanna the wife of Chuza Herod’s steward, and Susanna, and many others, which ministered unto him of their substance.

One of them who learned how to do good was Joanna, the wife of King Herod’s steward, that surely belong to the literate stratum of the Roman-dominated society.

“…it was an incredible achievement to transform the sow’s ear of the New Testament’s rough koine Greek into the silk purse that has resounded so strongly in our culture ever since.”

No master of the Greek language (that can read and understand the New Testament; who considers the importance of time element when the New Testament was written) will say that it is rough and “of sow’s ears”.

Koine Greek (Κοιν λληνική, “common Greek”, or κοιν διάλεκτος, “the common dialect”) is the popular form of Greek which emerged in post-classical antiquity (c.300 BC – AD 300), and marks the third period in the history of the Greek language. Other names are Alexandrian, Hellenistic, Common, or New Testament Greek. Koine Greek is important not only to the history of the Greeks for being their first common dialect and main ancestor of Demotic Greek, but it is also significant for its impact on Western Civilization as a lingua franca for the Mediterranean. Koine also was the original language of the New Testament of the Christian Bible as well as the medium for the teaching and spreading of Christianity[1]. Koine Greek was unofficially a first or second language in the Roman Empire http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koine_Greek

If you can ride a time machine and go back to the time of one of the most powerful empires that ruled the world, tell them that their first or second language is the sow’s ear of the New Testament’s rough koine Greek”.

The fact that the KJV has been revised for so many times to make it a more precise translation of the koine Greek original language used in writing the New Testament, is a proof of the literary quality of the original scriptures. The Bible, in general, is a record of God’s word. It can only be appreciated by Godly people — and not by beasts.

(John 8:47) He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

(2 Peter 2:12) But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption…

I will not marvel if Jordison never appreciate the literary quality and wisdom of God’s word in the Bible.

…to be continued

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106 thoughts on “The Literary Quality and Wisdom of God’s Word in the Bible that ‘Sam’ Beast will Never Appreciate

  1. …How BIG SHIT was Sam Jordison is?…why this kind of SHIT allowing to wrote in a News Paper?…maybe if you also a SHIT News Paper you will allow to wrote this kind of SHIT….Sam Jordison, for you to have a Sensible Life, Listen to Bro.ELI’s Preaching by the help of GOD you will never possessed by demons!!!…

  2. this Mr. Jordison is surely an idiot wo wants to be recognized the way Dan Brown was recognized. This man wants to be popular in a way that he never cares whether he blasphemes or not. He will have his place in hell someday.

  3. Yeah it’s a crazy world out there, even when the “self” or “I” speaks, the subjectivity, a colorful combination of knowledge that blinds us of the reality which the bible imparts. That is one of the reasons why I am relaying the importance of the verses in the Holy Scripture because when you study it, the words there are enough to make a point, no need for subjectivity or own interpretation. That is, when you no longer require milk, when you are ready to eat meat.

    Well, the confusion that some of us experience are also due to lack of knowledge in a discipline (school of taught) that we landed into, whether it be voluntary or involuntary. And for us to fill the gaps, the holes, of which we lack, we turn into keeping and insisting to fill it in with some knowledge of a different discipline. Sometimes, it’s a total new school of taught after the adulteration, if not, revisions. Take for example Christianity. From the Holy Scripture, there is no such thing as an omnipotent God. Even Christianity nowadays have a new discipline having doctrines formulated by the deceivers, taking a little of Buddhism like karma;a lot of paganism (Catholics are one of them on kneeling on idols); divination of the death; etc, which are all against what Jesus Christ teaches.

    But I enjoin you to start re-learning, because from this, we can focus on which is true. If you want Christianity, think first of what the denomination you are into. What are they teaching you? What are they obliging you to do and not to do? Is it biblical? I believe that as Christians, we have a source of knowledge, the God of Israel – and His words were taken into account in the form of the bible.

    Let me tell you, a man has an inner man, that is willing, but the flesh is week. When the Spirit is ready, it becomes victorious over the flesh. As Christians, we have the Spirit and also an angel that guides us and protect us from evil spirits. Evil spirits can be in the form of vices, lust, pleasure from entertaining to much of a thing(gluttony), etc.

    To sum it all up, I learned that the verses in the bible, those that are considered significant for our salvation, are the words that continuously echo in our heart. Can the Holy Spirit verbalize words to our ears literally? Of which I do not know yet. But as of now, I know that the Spirit speaks through the written words of God. Who else and by what means can a Spirit speak to us? Is it not through our Spirit too? We digest the words coming from God. It is a manna that never spoils, it gives life, it is the source of life. We digest these words spiritually speaking and this lingers in our hearts, and that is the thing that reverberates in our ears.

    2 Corinthians 4:16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.

    1 Peter 3:4 Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight.

    Please allow me to state, although it may not be enough, but somehow below 4 verses in the bible adds to my basis of my above claims:

    Isaiah 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.

    Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

    2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

    Isaiah 29:13 The Lord says:

    “These people come near to me with their mouth

    and honor me with their lips,

    but their hearts are far from me.

    Their worship of me

    is made up only of rules taught by men.

  4. There are so many writers who only write hoping that what they’ve written will become bestseller regardless of the subject. No wonder a lot of books now about the devils and killings. They seem to enjoy that kind of topics to write.

    This SAM JORDISON is a BIG IDIOT AND ENEMY OF GOD. If he has even little faith and fear in God, he will not write those things. But the fact that he wrote it, simply saying that he wants to be famous at all costs.

    Jordison doesn’t know the consequences of his written article… Jesus said that…

    John 12:48 KJV – “He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”

    And also, Mr. Jordison is nothing but truly a SON OF A BEAST…

    John 8:44 KJV – “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”

    TO GOD BE THE GLORY for He has sent us BRO. ELI to fight these evil teachings!

    We always hope and pray to GOD that Bro. Eli be in our midst until the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

  5. Brother Eli,

    What a great analysis yet again from the most sensible Preacher of this dispensation. One thing I noticed is the word missing on the below statement. I highlighted the missing word by capitalizing it. With that said, keep enlightening us, Brother Eli. We love you very much.

    “I wonder how a stupid idiot, who does NOT even know how to read precisely, like Jordison, can be a literary critic.”

    Love always,
    BjL

  6. It’s nice to see the comments on here are well considered, intelligent, and use language that is appropriate for the Christian community….

  7. Er…. Hi there!

    I don’t know if you’e quite followed all the arguments in my post… I think the KJV is pretty well written too.

    I’m not sure if I’ll be coming back here as I’m finding the experience a bit – uh- unsettling, but do feel free to post on my blog again… I’m sure we can have an interesting discussion.

  8. It is not marvel that everybody will not appreciate God’s word in the Bible.

    John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

    But blessed those who are lovers of God’s word.

    Acts 13:49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.

    Acts 13:48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

  9. i fully believed that the teaching of bro eli is from the ALMIGHTY. i’m one of the very sinful being but because of bro eli’s teaching, my person was completely change and that is because of the Word of GOD written in the Bible. In this world, no one can teach us to be a good person even the most prestigeous univesity on earth is not capable.

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  11. To such an IDIOT like Sam Jordison,

    How DARE YOU calling the Bible a “readable mess” and calling my Lord Jesus an “unforgiving egomaniac, obsessed with demons”…

    YOU, yourself, is the MESS…

  12. who is this Jordison think he is??!! .. he might not even red an inch of the Bible, so much more to know WHO CHRIST is? How idiot you are to write things such that, better for you to REPENT, to heed, read more from this blog, so your dark mind be enlighten… PERHAPS.

  13. I hope Sam Jordison have been enlightened by the biblical, scientific, and logical explanations of Bro.Eli Soriano.

  14. To Sam Jordison,

    Of course, the Bible remains the all time best-selling book:

    Write against or for it, and your article will surely catch attention. But sorry to know that the big-time MORON Sam Jordison went for the negative side.

    But, hey, Sam, you caught attention nevertheless.

    With Bro. Eli’s meticulous eyes and wisdom as background, your stupidity sure stood out it was hard to ignore.

    Are you on drugs?

  15. I think what the right.hon Sam Jordison was trying to say was – how can you proclaim the bible the ‘greatest book ever written’ when there is nobody on this planet who has actually read every single book ever written? And as the bible is a collection of different books and writers it is hard to make that assumption in the first place.

    Judging by the spelling and general blinkered attitude posted by some of the comments on this blog, I would suggest that you all re-asses your theological skills and learn the great skill of ‘religious debate’. It also appears that many of you have probably never read a single book in your life other than The Bible. Don’t be frightened to educate yourselves – God will not punish you for seeking wisdom.

    As it stands, many of you are coming across in a way that will never convert ‘non-believers’ to your cause. You are simply re-enforcing the opinion of many atheists and agnostics that fundamentalism is the domain of the uneducated..

    It is ungainly to be slanderous, and I am sure Jesus would not approve of the language you have used here.

    Think about it.

  16. Someone I know told me that you ‘Christ-ians’ are a group of angry, foul-mouthed pederasts. Having never met a Christ-ian, I didn’t believe them. But having read your comments, and looked at the photograph of Bro Eli, I can see that I was wrong. Learn how to spell, people! And stop interfering with young boys.

  17. Tha a cunninge with tha tongues ELISEO SOREANO, Jordison is boute a littel lambe lost on bleatinge tha his ma on the tracklesse grimpen.

    And a will be clensed by the good men of a kircke.

    Blessed be Jesu.
    Blessed be he.

    But tha a Shepherde of a different flocke. Tha a goldene and seeminge greate wyse, thou who cometh amonge the peple and bringe worldlie joye to the peple. Tha speketh the worde of the lorde Jesu.

    Amen

    Have greate care tha the word of the Lorde, that blessed streme be not flowene by the foule besmirched tannery of THE EVIL ONE, the one who is knowne as BELIAL by the cities of the plains and LUCIFERE the prince of all lies. There in the tannerie the little lambe’s soft white coat will be smered with the filthe of THE EVIL ONE.

    Incidentally, would you be at all interested in coming and speaking at our village fete? We are a small village of believers in Northern England – to some extent you would need to tailor your wise sermons to us as an audience – castigations, jeremiads and hellfire are much in demand here! But in return you would get to witness some very interesting traditional local rituals, and Widow Tupperman will be providing some delicious Coffee Cakes, as always.

  18. 1.The BIBLE is a profitable book because authors like SAM JORDISON and DAN BROWN can gain much money out of it.
    THEREFORE, paragraph one of “The Bible’s LITERARY SINS” denied sam’s thoughts.
    2. THE “BIBLE” is a word and not “were” the word. Bible (two able, bi- meaning “two” and ” ‘ble “). Does this sam know this?
    THE BIBLE, the 66 books contain words from God ( not the God that sam knew, the god who is everywhere – that wild spirit, according to Percy B. Shelley’s ODE TO THE WEST WIND)
    3.”Now, I’m aware that saying the Bible is crap rather a crude statement. So, let me introduce a few points to qualify my basic assertion.”
    HOW hortative is this statement! WHY IS SAM AWARE? BECAUSE HE IS ANTI-BIBLE? or because HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGES IN THE BIBLE?
    4. “DUBIOUS” to whom? TO those people who are not given the understanding of it.
    9. “In short, does anyone sincerely believe that the vast majority of the Bible is anything other than crashingly dull?”WHY IS SAM SO INTRIGUING HIS OWN EMOTION AGAINST GIVING IMPORTANT WEIGHT TO THE BIBLE’S influence, especially to the PHILIPPIANS, este PHILIPPINOS (filipinos).

    GLORY BE TO GOD! THERE IS Brother Eli, EL’s messenger of this time.

  19. I know that the Spirit speaks through the written words of God. Who else and by what means can a Spirit speak to us? Is it not through our Spirit too? We digest the words coming from God. It is a manna that never spoils, it gives life, it is the source of life. We digest these words spiritually speaking and this lingers in our hearts, and that is the thing that reverberates in our ears.

    2 Corinthians 4:16 Therefore we do not lose heart. Though outwardly we are wasting away, yet inwardly we are being renewed day by day.

    1 Peter 3:4 Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God’s sight.

    You wrote and quoted: When the apostle John addressed the early christians to whom he was writting to as HIS
    LITTLE CHILDREN, does it also logically follow that HE IS THE FATHER IN FAITH OF ALL OF THEM?

    1 John 2:1 ¶My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man
    sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

    my response: BUT there is no record that Apostle John promoted himself nor exalted himself nor boasted for his work. nor Prophet ABraham,but Paul of tarsus from his own pen proved that He is indeed a self promoter, He boasted for his work etc. etc.

    He said:

    “I beseech thee for MY SON ONESIMUS whom I have begotten in my bonds” (Philemon 10 KJV)

    “I appel to you MY CHILD, Onesimus, whose FATHER I HAVE BECOME IN MY IMPRISONMENT” (Philemon 10)

    “For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many Fathers. FOR I BECOME YOUR FATHER (begotten kjv) in Christ Jesus through the gospel (I Corinthians 4:15 RSV).

    (so paul adjures his congregation to see him as their father)

    Did Apostle John mention to the little children that He became his father? (instead he said, we have an advocate with the FATHER) nor did He (John) begotten (KJV) them through the Gospel?

    the two above pronouncements can be validated by reading his letters again:

    ” Unto Timothy, MY OWN SON IN THE FAITH , Grace, mercy and peace, from God our Father,
    and Jesus christ our Lord (1 Tim. 1:2)

    ” for this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus who is my BELOVED SON” ( I Cor. 4:7)

    And the three solid verses above can be substantiated by Himself THROUGH SELF-PROMOTION with the ff. statements:

    After proving that he is indeed a “father” to those whom he converted clearly shows that Paul is aspiring to an office that can be legitimately occupied only by God. ONE CANNOT EXALT ONESELF MORE THAN THAT.

    Paul looked at himself as above others as regards to his relationship to God, He labored more than OTHERS (OF COURSE INCLUDING JOHN), He walked uprightly than OTHERS etc. etc. He considered his words as the words of God.

    He saw himself as the perfection of Christ and thus urged his followers to IMITATE HIM.

    ” I URGE YOU, Then, BE IMITATORS OF ME ” (I Cor. 4:16)

    “BE imitators of me, as I AM of Christ ( I Cor. 11:1)

    “What do you have LEARNED and RECEIVED and HEARD and SEEN in ME, do, and the GOD of peace will be with YOU” ( Phil.4:9)

    Jet, FOR YOUR INFORMATION, our lord Jesus did not call on his disciples to IMITATE HIM. INstead ON THE model of imitation Jesus always designated his FATHER as a TRUE EXAMPLE and to prove this assertion let me quote:

    “YOu , therefore must be perfect as your heavenly FATHER is perfect (Matthew 5:48)

    and not ” you must be perfect as I (jesus) am perfect”

    in other occasion he said:

    “BE MERCIFUL, even as your FATHER is merciful ( Luke 6:36)

    and not: ” be merciful as I (jesus) am merciful

    IN other words, Jesus advised us to be humbled! He concisely said that those who are exalting himself will be humbled and taught us not to let the left hand knows what the right hand is doing that’s probably the reason why the direct apostles were silent of their works and labors, they ALL know that a truly meek and humble man would never boast or exalt himself of his superiority as paul sometimes did.

    The word “little children” is a common usage in the synoptics, it was used by Jesus literally and figuratively, In Jesus’ time his followers were called the “children of light” , the children of God, the little ones, contrasted with the children of darkness, children of the wicked one, and the children of disobedience and so on.

    ————————————————————————

    You wrote: NEITHER did Paul intend any of the brethrens to address him like what you are accusing him of.

    Talking about relevance to other passages:
    B. PAUL SAID OF TIMOTHY – OUR BROTHER
    D. OF TIMEOTHEUS – OUR BROTHER
    c, C. OFPHILEMON – BROTHER
    E. OF ONESIMUS – A FAITHFULE AND BELOVED BROTHER
    F. OF TYCHICUS – A BELOVED BROTHER
    G. OF EPAPHRODITUS – HIS BROTHER
    H. OF TITUS – HIS BROTHER
    I. OF APOLLOS – HIS BROTHER
    J. OF SOSTHENES – OUR BROTHER
    d Sosthenes our brother,
    K. OF QUARTUS – A BROTHER
    L. ANANIAS SAID TO PAUL – BROTHER.

    my response: Can we trust the words of Paul? or his words often times deceitful & changeth depending upon his will, he sometimes compromise his own principles. His Faith is wavering, His mind is as unpredictable like the waves in the ocean. let us see from his pen.

    ” for this cause have I sent unto you Timotheus who is my BELOVED SON” ( I Cor. 4:7)

    VERSUS

    ” And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the gospel of Christ,
    to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith” (1 Thessalonians 3:2)

    TIMOTHEUS HIS BELOVED SON? SO HE IS THE FATHER OF TIMOTHEUS IN THE FAITH?

    TIMOTHEUS HIS BROTHER? SO HE IS THE BROTHER OF TIMOTHEUS IN THE FAITH?

    SO WHICH ONE IS CORRECT?

    —————

    IN Galatian we read:

    “Am I seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still pleasing men, If i were pleasing mean I should not be a servant of christ” ( Gal. 1:10)

    (good statement at faced value, consistent with the doctrine of Jesus)

    SO THOSE WHO SEEK TO PLEASE MEN CANNOT BE THE SERVANT OF CHRIST? RIGHT?

    BUT in Corinthians we read:

    “Give no offense to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God , JUST AS A TRY TO PLEASE ALL MEN
    IN EVERYTHING I DO…….( I cor. 10:32, 33)

    So did he or did he not, try to please MEN? so taken from his own testimony (Gal. 1:10) proves that he was not
    a servant of christ, he betrayed his ownself like you jet betraying your own ignorace.

    ——————————-

    In his letters to the Romans we can read his firm statement:

    “For God has consigned all men to disobedience, that he may have mercy upon all.” ( Rom. 11:32)

    But from the same epistle two chapters prior to above statement he said:

    “So then he has mercy upon whomever he wills, and he hardens the heart of whomever he wills” (Rom. 9:18)

    So , does our lord work to the end that all men might receive his mercy or does he harden the hearts of men?

    Jet, to find one contradiction in a person who says that He has the spirit of christ is something, but to find more than 2 is indicative that he is not really of God. He is indeed a liar!

    1. BEING AN APOSTLE:

    HE IS THE GREATEST APOSTLE.(boastful!)

    “For I consider that I am not at all inferior to the MOST IMINENT APOSTLES? ….As the truth of christ is in me, no one shall stop me FROM THIS BOASTING in the regions of Achaia. ( II Cor. 11:5-10)

    …….NO one shall stop me from boasting…….

    HE IS the LEAST OF THE APOSTLES ( humble!)

    “For I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain. BUT I LABORED MORE ABUNDANTLY THEN THEY ALL (I cor. 15:9-10).

    2. ON CIRCUMCISION ( a good example of inconsistency and compromise)

    In his angry letter to his Galatian Church he wrote, let me quote:

    Paul: “Now I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no advantage to you. I testify again to every man who receive circumcision that he is bound to keep the whole law. YOu are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace (Galatian 5:2-4)

    That is one of his most basic convictions. But look jet what he did:

    “And he came to Derbe and to Lystra. A disciple was there, a named Timothy, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer; but his father was a greek. He was well spoken of by the brethren at Lystra and Iconium. Paul wanted Timothy to accompany him; and he took him and circumcised him
    because of the Jews that were in those places, for they all knew that his father was a greek” (Acts 16:1-3)

    A good example of being a “Chameleon” and not truthful to his own covenant! So from his galatian statement Timothy is now severed from christ? that Christ is no advantage to Timothy? that Timothy is fallen away from grace? I’m asking you!

    3. On faith versus works

    Work for salvation

    “who wil render to every man according to his deeds” (galatian 2:6)

    “Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” (Phil 2:12)

    Do not work for salvation (faith only)

    Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW” (Rom 3:28).

    “The we might be justified by Faith in Christ and not by THE WORKS of the law; FOR THE WORKS OF THE LAW NO FLESH SHALL BE JUSTIFIED ( Gal 2:16)

    “For by Grace you have been saved thought faith, NOT OF YOURSELVES, it is the gift of God NOT OF WORKS , lets any should boast ( Eph. 2:9)

    God..”imputes righteousness WITHOUT WORKS” ( Rom. 4:6).

    “The law led all in unbelief because it was not of FAITH ( Romans 11:32)

    The law is not of faith (Gal. 3:12) , therefore the law could save no one ( Hebrew 11:6)

    So which is which?

    4. ON Romans 3:20 versus Romans 2:12-13

    “Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin” (Romans 3:20)

    ……….. By the deeds of the LAW there shall NO FLESH be justified!

    “All who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God but the doers of the law who will be justified”( Romans 2:12-13)

    …………..the DOERS of the LAW who will be justified

    Yes it is absolute contradiction. If we are to be judged by the things we have done and we have done them properly, we should be judged accordingly, with reward, but he also says it is impossible b’coz God’s law lead us to sin.

    ——————————-

    You wrote and quoted: I maybe a babe, but you are FETUS! On the other hand:

    Matthew 11:25 ¶At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

    I wonder who’s talking now.

    my response: Your analogy betrayed yourself and st. paul, if you are that babe in Matthew 11:25 , then you are not wise and if you are not wise then all your arguments came from an un-wise man, so it has no bearing based on your
    used analogy, in the same way you betrayed st. paul because st. paul said: ” I am not good in speech but
    not in knowledge’ meaning He is knowledeable and wise enough therefore using your analogy St. Paul is really not of God because he is wise.

    You quoted and wrote: Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

    EVERY MAN IS. That includes you. TUTOL KA? Eh sa pagbabasa nga lang ng mga posts mo NAPAKARAMING KASINUNGALINGAN na ang pinagsasabi mo! You even lied about your name.

    Are you also against Peter, when he wrote about Christ?
    1 Peter 2:22 Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:b. Just because he was accused ot LYING, he is already THE ANTICHRIST?

    my response: by using Romans 3:4, are you validating that it is OK to Lie most especially if you are an apostle? God forbid! I never uttered such thing that Lying is the ONLY criteria of becoming the anti-christ but Lying is one of his attributes. As a matter of fact in my accusation against your apostles I listed many criterias such as the propecy of Jesus about the stranger whom paul’s a good a candidate (explained already in my previous articles) disobedience, to Jesus and his father, tampering of the Old testament etc etc.

    ————————-

    Many times I’ve informed you & your kind biblically that Paul is a master of words, He hath a silver tonque. His words cannot be trusted, his faith and doctrine is wavering, his writings is our living witness, My accusation is never baseless. (RE-READ MY MANY PREVIOUS POST FOR VERIFICATION) AND IT IS A PROVEN FACT THAT HE IS ALWAYS PROMOTING HIMSELF. (re-read again article part B or article I for the glimpse)

    Before I proceed on the MAIN ISSUE which is PAUL -as a FATHER. let me tell you something very important, Im just wondering, why you always bind the direct apostles to PAUL?

    I’ll give you again Mr. P1 & P2 to help you understand the fault in your understanding.

    P1: I SAW THAT THEY WALK NOT UPRIGHTLY ACCORDING TO THE TRUTH OF THE GOSPEL. (Galatian 2:14)

    P2: “BUT FROM THOSE WHO WERE REFUTED TO BE IMPORTANT WHATEVER THEY WERE IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE TO ME….WHO WERE RESPECTED IMPARTED NOTHING TO ME…………NOTHING TO ME………NOTHING TO ME” (Gal. 2:6)

    Jet, WHO were those REPUTED to be important? Well, it refers to the Disciples. Their authority came from having been chosen by Jesus, such as Jamesthe Lord’s brother,Simon Peter (Cephas)-Son of Jonah, and John son of Zebedee. Here
    whether you like it or not prove that Paul has little regard for the Apostles.

    Jet, do you understand the implication of Paul’s message (P1 & P2) to your MALICIOUS message towards me? If not then allow me to explain,

    Granting w/o accepting Paul was right , that APOSTLES are indeed BLIND, MISGUIDED, AND NOTHING TO HIM, then what will happen? it will simply lead to the following scenario: Their endorsement of Paul cannot be trusted or of NO VALUE! why, because those that endorsed him were ALL MISGUIDED and BLIND, they are unable to see truth of the gospel.

    So I think, it is a must for you first to convince paul that his assertion (P1 & P2) are malicious and baseless. Once you convince him of his errors then that’s the time that your message will become sensical. Failure to convince him will lead you in a very unconvincing situation – a believer who understand not his very own arguments.

    Your common mistake again Jet, you’re not using your common sense instead you resorted again to quoting & quoting…. IOW reading and reading without digesting.

    I guess i know now your religious motto, it goes in this way: “quoting & quoting until I die”

    And here is evidence in Paul’s first letter to the Corinthians that “Others”did not accept his apostleship. This may have included the “TWELVE” let me quote:

    “AM I NOT AN APOSTLE? Have I not seen Jesus our Lord? If to OTHERS I am not an apostle,at least I am to you; For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord (I Cor. 9:1,2)

    “But from those WHO SEEMED TO ME SOMETHING, whatever THEY WERE, it makes no difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man, FOR THOSE WHO SEEMED to be something ADDED NOTHING TO ME, but on the contrary, when they saw me, and when JAMES, CEPHAS and JOHN WHO SEEMED to BE PILLARS, percieved the grace that had been given to me, they gave me and BARNABAS the right hand of fellowship. (Gal. 2:6-9)

    He said, “they were nothing to him those seemed to be pillars” , It’s an insult. Who were those pillars? REMEMBER TONY HE IS THE ONE SPEAKING.

    “…………Are they Israelites? So am I, are they seed of Abraham? So am I, ARe they minister of Christ? (I speak as a fool) I AM MORE, IN LABORS MORE ABUNDANT, IN STRIPES ABOVE MEASURE, IN PRISONS MORE FREQUENT, IN DEATH OFT…..(etc. etc) (II Cor. 11-16-12, 19).

    So jet, it is indeed true that OTHERS did not accept his apostleship.

    …….have I not seen Jesus our lord?

    …….IF TO OTHERS, I am not an apostle, at least i am to you, for you are the seal of my apostleship in the LOrd ( I Cor. 9:1-2)

    Jet, Who are the “Other” or the Superlative Apostles? To whom he is not an apostle? Is it not most likely those whom he designates “the other apostles, “ Peter and the brothers of the Lord (Ya’akob Tzaddik) which whom he immeditately
    continues to compare his practices? At the very least, they would be identified with the other apostles at Corinth who, under the influence of Peter, James the righteous and the twelve, were challenging Paul’s claim to be an apostle. So like a man who feels thereatened and who operates from a position of weakness, Paul asserted his calling to the beginning of all his letters except those to the Philippians, the Thessalonians, and Philemon.

    ——————–

    On slavery issue

    you asked: Which verses? Prove it with verses – not just with baseless accusations!

    my response: I must admit the Jesus and other apostle are using slavery issue but TO ILLUSTRATE A LARGER POINT ( Mat.10:24; 24:45-46)) but st. Paul is worse, making slavery as not only acceptable but that slaves themselves should not presume to take the idea of freedom and equality nor attempted to escaped their forced servitude.

    “Let all who are under the yoke of slavery regard their masters as worthy of all honor……..”(1Tim. 6:1-5)

    “Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling………….” (Eph. 6:5-6)

    “Tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to talk back,
    not to pilfer, but to show complete and perfect fidelity………….(Titus 2:9-10)

  20. Jesus. I thought Christianity was about FORGIVENESS and UNDERSTANDING. The first sign that someone questions your archaic – and, frankly, crumbling – theological concepts and you all start slinging mud at the honourable Sam Jordison, a man who can clealry string far greater sentences together than some of your people can (as is evident in soem of the comments above).

    And before I go, please answer me this: how come most of the Christians I’ve met have been the most narrow-minded, unforgiving and – ahem – un-Christian people I’ve ever encountered?

    Could it be a by-product of this piecemeal brainwashing that begins at birth?

    Grow up, open your minds and accept that there is a real world out there and not everyone who believes in your notions of ‘God’ is a ‘sinner’.

    Jesus would be ashamed of your knee-jerk reactions. If he were alive, that is.

    Ben Myers

  21. Jordison’s mind is totally against the biblical truth, according to the bible he is considered as an enemy of God, provided that he will changed; God is merciful for his soul. You have still enough time to think about it. Think what bro. Eli told you and you will find your way straight ahead to God.

  22. Sam,

    Can you prove that the Bible is shit as you claimed. Can you engage yourself into a debate to prove your stand?

    Why don’t you consult a ‘specialist’, I think your mouth stinks and you handwriting is rotten.

  23. You’re trying to prove to Mr sam jordison that the bible is love and yet you’re showing him the opposite? Sam Jordison is really right, You can’t gain nothing from that book, even it’s believers apparently doesn’t learn 2 or 3 good manners from that book. foul mouth and all that attacks. very biblical indeed

  24. No one can teach us to be a good person even the most prestigeous univesity on earth is not capable EXCEPT for Bro. eli!

    Yeah! , Jordison’s mind is totally against the biblical truth!

    truly he needs to consult the specialist!

    Those peple are liars!

    He lied before the Sanhedrin let me quote:
    “ But when Paul perceived that one part were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, “Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee; concerning the hope and resurrection of the dead I am being judged!” And when he had said this, a dissension arose between the Pharisees and the Sadducees; and the assembly was divided.” Acts 23:6,7

    Concerning the hope and resurrection of the dead he was being judged?

    Well let us see if that was the reason, the truth concerning why he was arrested is recorded a little earlier in Acts. Let me quote:

    …….the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple, stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him, crying out, “Men of Israel, help! This is the man who teaches all men everywhere against the people, the law, and this place…” Acts 21:27,28

    So he was arrested because of bringing to nothing the importance of Israel, the Law of Moses, and the temple.

    Verdict: Liar!

    In that council meeting, Paul lied again regarding those agreements met or the requirements to be given
    to the Gentiles. Paul said: “ They asked only one thing, that we remember the poor?”

    But during their meeting as recorded in Acts there were 4 other requirements repeated 3 times and James said: here in ACTS you can see how he lied to the Gentiles

    “Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols,
    from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.” Acts 15:19-21

    “…For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.” Acts 15:28,29

    “But concerning the Gentiles who believe, we have written and decided that they should observe no such thing, except that they should keep themselves from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality.” Acts 21:25

    Verdict: Liar!

    “There is none righteous, no, not one; there is none who understands; there is none
    who seeks after God. They have all gone out of the way; they have together become
    unprofitable; there is none who does good, no, not one.” (Romans 3:10-12)

    Now let us see and examine the origin or the source of his pronouncement, you see, Paul of tarsus was a wide reader and very brilliant. ( here is the passage quoted its context) let me quote from the OT

    “The fool has saith in his heart, “There is no God”. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none (of the atheistic fools) who does good. The Lord looks
    down from heaven upon the (corrupt) children of men to see if there are any who understand, who seek God. They have all turned aside, they have together become corrupt; there is non who does good, no, not one. Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge, who eat up my people as they eat bread, and do not call on the Lord? There they
    ( the evil people) are in great fear, for God is with the generation of the RIGHTEOUS. (Psalm 14:1-5 )

    So where is the “twist” here in David’s pronouncement there are no atheistic fools who do good! This passage is obviously not SPEAKING OF EVERY HUMAN BEING (while Paul included everyone before and after!) as a matter of fact David mentioned “my people” and “the generation of the RIGHTEOUS”. so meaning There were really righteous and to further prove the claim of David is true, it is clearly written
    that Job was righteous (job 1:1, 1:8, 2:3), abraham was righteous (Gen. 17:1), Zechariah and Elizabeth were righteous (Luke 1:6).

    Verdict: Tamperer, mr. twister

    always /777

  25. To Sam and his cohorts,

    To accuse us Christians of being foul-mouthed and unforgiving is unjust because in the first place, you are blatantly misleading people what Christianity truly is by false calling our Lord Jesus Christ an egomaniac possessed with demons. What a grave sin you all committed on biblical standards, even worthy of second death, but we are here, still keeping calm and providing you our reasons but you guys seem to twist our kind intentions. Thus, you may go on your way and continue living in fallacy that you are the righteous of this world.

    I pity you all and I hope that our God and our Lord Jesus Christ will still pity you because you are definitely journeying to the path of destruction by battling against God’s divine truths.

  26. Correction on the first sentence of my previous comment…

    “To accuse us Christians of being foul-mouthed and unforgiving is unjust because in the first place, you are blatantly misleading people what Christianity truly is by FALSELY calling our Lord Jesus Christ an egomaniac possessed with demons.”

  27. — Sam posted:
    Sam Jordison

    Hey, listen, I wrote a book you chaps might find interesting:
    The Joy Of Sects. You should be able to pick up a copy from amazon.co.uk…

    Thanks for the continued interest in my article by the way, I’m really quite thrilled that you’ve gone to so much effort.


    This is ridiculous, someone is striking your senseless belief about the Bible and you promote your book instead. Sam’s only aim is to earn money and be popular by bashing the Bible. Aren’t you ashamed Sam that the book you hated gives you the chips to buy you your family’s food? Atheists really are evil people up to the very core of their black bone. And so with you British Guy and Ben Myers. You are all lame people who shakes when someone is retaliating with your ego. Christians are commanded to defend their faith. If you atheist defend what you believe, so with us Christians, we are not commanded to just sit when someone like you appears.

  28. Ben Myers,

    And before I go, please answer me this: how come most of the Christians I’ve met have been the most narrow-minded, unforgiving and – ahem – un-Christian people I’ve ever encountered?

    >>>>>>>>>

    Being a real christian is liberty.

    “And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

    narrow-minded is a product of being coward

  29. to ben myers

    OurLord Jesus Christ is very much alive. HE is up there with the Father, and we are waiting for Him!

    Col 3:1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is sitting at the right hand of God.

    We did opened our minds and specially our hearts, we now see how and where the “world” that you’re talking about is heading to.

    1Jn 5:19 We know that we are of God, and all the world lies in evil.

    Col 3:2 Be mindful of things above, not on things on the earth.

    Those “christians” you have met, may not be real christians.

    Psa 139:20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.

    Christianity is about more than Forgiving and Understanding, it’s Love. but we will not keep silent if someone who has no biblical basis calling our Lord Jesus Christ names as what this sam did.

    Rom 14:16 Then do not let your good be spoken evil of,

    Even if we reply with harsh words, does that makes us un-christian? do you think the apostles and even the Lord Jesus Christ, spoked gently when they preached?

    We are not pleasers of men!

    Gal 1:10 For now do I persuade men, or God? Or do I seek to please men? For if I yet pleased men, I would not be a servant of Christ.

    the bible is written for those who feared the Lord, not for “animals”.

    Mal 3:16 Then they that feared the LORD spoke often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD,and that thought upon his name.

    2Pe 2:12 But these, as unreasoning natural brute animals having been born for capture and corruption, speak evil of the things that they do not understand. And they will utterly perish in their own corruption,

    TO GOD BE THE GLORY!

  30. to British Guy,

    I doubt if you ever read the bible.

    nevertheless, Jesus once said, “unto them that are without, all things are done in parables. That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear,and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them. ” – Mark 4:11-12

    The Words of God is intended not to understand easily.
    so, we cannot blame sam and you to criticize it.

    But think about this, since it was written to the people like you, wouldn’t you be curious enough to ask why? are you one of the within or that are without?

    will you be humble enough to ask why or just criticize without thinking?

  31. to you British Guy…you want to be with Sam Jordison?…Pls..convince him to face Bro. Eli in a Friendly Debate that can be watch all over the world so that many viewers will witness who of them has a capability to Enlighten the world or to witness who of them are really Sensible..

  32. to British Guy,

    u r really a fair observant, idiot! u can easily recognize foul words( for your dumbmind) against sam( who is a man-idiot man like you) but u never even notice the words sam used against Christ and God. You are indeed on the side of the devil…. i wont say “good luck to you” but ” watch out for your downfall” if you wont change.

  33. I have read in Sam Jordison’s blog that he writes books. Im sure it’s messier than what he accuse the bible of being such I mean he could have criticized other books but the bible I mean this desperate man needs some gimmick and attention for his trashy books to sell. The intention is really quite obvious but too bad the quality of his mediocre thoughts have been exposed, thus, what do we expect from reading his books? Im sure a roll of toilet paper has much more literary quality than his books!

  34. Come on guys prove your worth, do not just talk (blah blah) without sense but defend the things that Bro Eli is saying. For me he proved that Jordison don’t deserve to be a critic of literature for he don’t know how to read a simple sentence that the bible is saying. You attacked a spelling error but you did not even defend the main point of error that your beloved Jordison made!

    I hope to hear from Jordison his side of this. Will I still have to wait or I will not expect answers from his erroneous comment about the Bible??? Lets see…

  35. TO HARUKI:

    Personally, I am more concerned with Haruki than I do this Jordison. I, too, know how difficult and sad it feels, Haruki, when enemies of God and His word, and other brute beasts speak of things they understand not.

    But take courage, faint not, don’t let it get to you, keep standing with your faith on the Rock, and just continue to read the Bible and be enlightened with the Comforter. All evil and their accusations will be judged accordingly when our Lord Jesus Christ comes in glory – and this is the sure word of a God that CANNOT LIE.

    I hope that Bro. Eli’s words gave you comfort. Peace be with you, Haruki, and to God be all glory and honor.

  36. Samsy,

    How come that you are advertizing your rotten self? Stop being the victim of satan! Flee from him or you will be with him forever.

    Listen to Bro Eli, through Him, God is calling you to repentance!

  37. Don’t you know that if you speak against the Holiness of GOD, that is unforgivable? and because you are an idiot , there is still a chance of forgiveness, why go to Hell with your ignorance, now that salvation is calling you.Wake up!

  38. Given that I have already expressed my opinion that I believe fundamentalism to be a bad thing, I’m afraid that quoting passages of the Bible back at me is a waste of typing on your part. But thanks anyway.

    I have actually read parts of The Bible, I just choose not to live my life entirely by it. I find there is plenty of truth in The Bible, but there is truth in the Koran and the stories of Roald Dahl too. As I said, to base an entire philosophy on one book seems like ashort-cut to thinking to me, a distinct narrowing of options.

    Besides, perhaps not all of The Bible if is meant to be taken literally? Perhaps some sections are to be read as metaphors or allegories, from which ‘life lessons’ can be extracted.

    But then that is my major problem with fundamentalist readings – there is no room for discourse or interpretation. Instead the written word is Law.

    Anyway, I’ve long-since learnt never to verbally debate with Christians as they only ever quote The Bible and seem unable to offer their own personal responses.

    Thanks for your time – and all the best,
    Ben

  39. To: Sam Jordison
    Ben Myers &
    British Guy

    Hey! you three members of LEGION OF DOOM. I certainly believe that you will not accept any explanation nor come to the knowledge of truth. With a kind of reasoning and justification you have, proves that your TRULY AN ENEMY OF GOD.

    And its not marvel to see and talk to people like you, for the Bible had given us information the kind of person you are…

    DANIEL 12:10….. none of the wicked shall understand…

    My advice to you three… DO CHANGE YOUR WAYS WHILE THERE IS STILL TIME…! Comprende’

  40. To ben Myers:

    And before I go, please answer me this: how come most of the Christians I’ve met have been the most narrow-minded, unforgiving and – ahem – un-Christian people I’ve ever encountered?

    Could it be a by-product of this piecemeal brainwashing that begins at birth?

    reply: Because they were not “christians” in the absolute usage of the term, Those whom you met are Paulian! in short Paulinist!

    Paul is a vindictive individual! what do you expect from the fruits of the tree? If the tree is faulty, the fruits are also faulty!

  41. LoL! i never thought that there is really someone like Sam Jordison that could be sooo stupid! Man oh Man! dont you think you should go back to school and learn your ABC’s first? LoL! just LoL!

  42. to: SAM JORDISON

    how stupid you are SAM JORDISON! You don’t know what you are talking about. HOW DARE YOU TALK THAT WAY. How malicious you are. You will never understand the wisdom in God’s word if you will continue to criticize the bible and be malicious in Jesus Christ’s act.
    As bro. Eli’s initial explanation, You (SAM JORDISON) and other guy like you could understand the bible if you would start searching the truth and REPENT.

    But then again , its not too late for you. because GOD is so good.

  43. BREAKING NEWS!!!

    HEADLINE: The convesation between sam jordison and GOD

    Then the LORD answered SAM out of the INTERNET, and said,

    “Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?”

    “Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.”

    “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.”

    “Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? ”

    Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

    “Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth? ”

    “Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof, ”

    Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

    Hast thou given the horse strength? hast thou clothed his neck with thunder?

    “Canst thou make him afraid as a grasshopper? the glory of his nostrils is terrible.”

    ” He paweth in the valley, and rejoiceth in his strength: he goeth on to meet the armed men. ”

    “He mocketh at fear, and is not affrighted; neither turneth he back from the sword. ”

    “The quiver rattleth against him, the glittering spear and the shield. ”

    ” He swalloweth the ground with fierceness and rage: neither believeth he that it is the sound of the trumpet. ”

    ” He saith among the trumpets, Ha, ha; and he smelleth the battle afar off, the thunder of the captains, and the shouting.”

    Moreover the LORD answered SAM, and said,

    “Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it. ”

    Then SAM answered the LORD, and said,

    Behold, I am “WICKED”; what shall I answer thee? I will lay mine hand upon my mouth

    EYES

  44. to Caroline:

    your group is a deceiver they are using someones names and speaks deceitful words and pretending to be one of us.

  45. to Ben Mayers: hear this

    Galatians 2:4 “And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage:

    Gal.2:5″To whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour: that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

    1Thessalonians 2:5″For neither at any time used we flattering words, as ye know, nor a cloak of covetousness; God is witness:

    Mat 23:25″Woe unto you, scribes and pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

  46. oh yes, and those who hate the apostle paul ,who followed ellen g. white were not called christians…they call themselves….seventh-day adventists! who loves to debate but always fails to refute the teaching of our Lord Jesus from the writings of st, paul.

  47. susan gutierrez

    sam jordison,

    your article won’t interest us a bit!!! Bro Eli only wanted to defend the Bible & The Christian Faith.He is always after those who try to malign & refute THE HOLY BIBLE!

    SAVE YOUR EXCITEMENT FOR THAT DAY WHEN YOU FACE BRO ELI ON A ONE-ON-ONE DEBATE!!!

    allies of sam jordison

    yes we are trying to prove that THE BIBLE…… CHRISTIANITY, IS FORGIVENESS, UNDERSTANDING & LOVE!!! slinging mud at sam jordison(omitted the honourable, he doesn’t deserve to be called one)? if a book you wrote is being called a “readable mess” & the love of your life is labeled as an unforgiving egomaniac, aren’t you going to defend them???

    we have read other books too, but to us THE BIBLE TOWERS!!! fundamentalism is the domain of the uneducated? Pray that you’re changed when the GOD OF THE BIBLE COMES TO DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE OF THIS WORLD!!! can’t understand it, huh?!?! don’t blame you FOOLS, we are just being very biblical indeed(as you wrote it)!!!

    CAN YOU FIND A RELIGIOUS LEADER IN THIS DISPENSATION WHO LABORS W/O ANY COMPENSATION FOR THE LOVE OF HUMANKIND? N–O–N–E!!! LIKE BRO ELI!!! HE GLADLY SPEND & BE SPENT FOR THE SAKE OF OUR SOULS!!!!

    PONDER WHILE THERE’S STILL TIME(you may not have the luxury of it)!

  48. To: sam jordison, ben myers and british guy,

    With the time you are giving to the articles of Bro Eli, just shows that your interest . . . and which means that you are seeking for the truth . . . ask anything about the bible and I believe, Bro Eli would certainly answer you . . . I am very much hoping that you will be open minded to every answer and advise he will give, for sure, they will all be biblical, because he is the one sent by God to preach His words, in our times.

  49. To Sam Jordison

    Your downfall as a false writer will be witnessed by your cohorts, myers and british guy, after ther debate…

    EXPECT THAT or CHANGE before your DOOM comes.

  50. TO MY BELOVED BRO.ELI AND BRO.DANIEL I THANK GOD SO MUCH AND I HOPE I CAN THANK HIM ENOUGH FOR ETERNITY,FOR GIVING US,THE BOTH OF YOU,NOT ONLY TO ENLIGHTEN PEOPLE TO COME BACK TO LIVE WITH GOD BUT TO HELP HUMANKIND NOT TO BE DECIEVED WITH THESE SEEMINGLY HARMLESS PEOPLE CAUSE THE TRUTH IS THEY ARE DEMONS IN DISGUISE.

    TO GOD BE THE GLORY FOREVER AND EVER.
    AMEN.

  51. To antonio, kj2:

    We are not the deceivers, It’s Paul of tarsus and his cohorts like you!

    We are the defenders of Jesus & the direct apostles against the adulteration of Saul

    My brothers and sisters, are oblige/force to use other names because of the moderators of this blog. They murdered our post along the way using our own names!

    We are the victims here!

  52. here…we…go…again…

    how many times your pastor and elders failed in public debates with bro. eli, proving that the doctrine that you’re carrying is all lies and inventions of your prophetess. even the direct apostle peter admitted:

    2Pe 3:15 And think of the long-suffering of our Lord as salvation (as our beloved brother Paul also has written to you according to the wisdom given to him

    2Pe 3:16 as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and unstable pervert, as also they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction). -MKJV

    and yes….defending Jesus by siding with a fictional writer who himself admitted that he knew little about the bible.

    poor victim you!

    assemble all your pastor and elders, the very, very, very best of them and challenge (again) bro. eli soriano in a public discussion, and please tell all your members to watch this time.

  53. sam, if you’re a man of honor and dignity ?? why dont you face bro eli in a public debate thru television. prove yourself! ( if you can) Im sure you wont do that coz you dont have basis to your fiction allegation. anyway, we’ve seen people like you sam. Simple advice to sam, if you have a miticolous mind(open mind) God willing. watch or listen bro eli’s preaching, you will learn a lot of things from him thru the word of God(in the bible)

    To God Be The Glory!!1

  54. to # 21 Babylon the great

    The words being used is the only true words that can best describe Sam Jordinson evil accusation… He is not just ignirance of the bible but STUPID as a definition of ignorant of something he don’t know fully. You are also an anti christ if you believe in the accusation of Jordinson.. stand on yure ground choose the good side not the evil side… thats how bible describe the faith of the christians.

    Sam jordinson is an evil man, he don’t fear God as his creator.. How can a man accused Christ or insult his word, Jesus speak the word as the Father wants it to be… THe words came from the fathers itself. THey are one… If you insult the son, you also insult the CREATOR.

    The Bible, in general, is a record of God’s word. It can only be appreciated by Godly people — and not by beasts.

  55. To British Guy #29

    You said:
    You’re trying to prove to Mr sam jordison that the bible is love and yet you’re showing him the opposite? Sam Jordison is really right, You can’t gain nothing from that book, even it’s believers apparently doesn’t learn 2 or 3 good manners from that book. foul mouth and all that attacks. very biblical indeed

    Thats how normal christian should react.. That showing Love to your oppresor.. Telling the person he is telling lies. You tell a person stupid because the he is trully stupid of the words of God… Even Jesus christ will tell that he is Satanic..

    Christian should stand on his faith. weather he is of God or the evil! You should learn to defend youre faith in accordance of bible principles.. Is not a bad word to say STUPID to a man who is blinded by his lies and evil accusation to the lord.

    You should know better. Which side are you from anyway?

    Duke

  56. how could you SAM JORDISON to tell that our God is an “egomaniac!” Demons are better than you because they acknowledge and honor my God. You will see in the near future what will happen to your soul!

  57. And when I have actually tried to debate the history of the bible, I find that the comment moderators on this site will not even allow me to speak? If we are to have an intelligent debate about the bible and christianity, why are you censoring my side of the argument? Is it because you are frightened of the real truth behind the law that you follow? Are you scared that my words might actually make some of your followers question what they so blindly believe? Wisdom is not dangerous, it is the key to an enlightened kingdom….
    I suggest if you are all so obsessed with religion that you take a three year theology course examining the history of religion. Not only will it probably reinforce your beliefs, but it will give you better skills in defending your case in a considered way – and of course, make you more open to other religions and the belief systems of other cultures around the world. Acceptance would be a good skill for many fundamentalists to learn..

  58. To kj2:

    We have not met Bro. eli in person yet. And we are not members of SDAC!

    And we have no pastors, Our only pastor is Jesus christ, WE are all brethen!

  59. To all,

    I have been reading all of this conversation with great interest. However, I must admit that it does leave me a bit perplexed and confused. Not confused by language or quotations of The Bible, as I am very well versed in it. But, to put it simply, I am concerned with how vehemently we attack each other. There are many wrongs happening here. For the literary critic, Sam, who wrote what he did, I believe he is misled and wrong in his assumption. However, I have to agree with some of the posters who argue the fact that the bantering and judgement we Christians would place upon him, is for God alone and not us. If we long for people to accept the truth of God’s word, as was the deepest desire of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, we must show them with the love and happiness that living a life for Christ can provide. To be argumentative only places a lost soul further from grace. Too many times I have watched my fellow Christians stand on a podium of self piety. I can understand how all of this makes you feel though. I hurt every time I see someone (for lack of a better expression) “slander” the beliefs I hold so strongly. However, the bible teaches us to pray for those who are misled and approach them with kindess as Jesus would have done. By doing so, we might bring them to the light. I believe that what brother Eli and friends are doing is a great thing also. However, there is a danger in the amount of praise I’ve seen going towards them. We must remember to give all the glory to God and not to a man of flesh and bone. I dont’ say that to step on any toes, just to make us step back and think. I know that I will have those who do not understand God’s word in my prayers as I always do. And I myself will pray for patience to deal with the slanders of my faith I so often encounter. If we remember the martyrs who died for their faith in early times, all stood with passive defiance and trusted The Lord with their fates. We should do the same. We are in the business of saving souls, not attacking unbelievers and saying to them “you will burn in hell”. That judgement is for God alone. we should instead calmly debate and show them we are Christians by our love. It was, after all, by the great love of Jesus Christ that all our sins were forgiven and we received His grace. Dont get me wrong. I’m not saying to sit quietly by and let that which is not true perpetuate. I am however saying that to change a persons point of view, it cannot be forced. Only “we” can change our own minds and our views on God. When we attack, we force others to be defensive. A mind that has its guard up too much is closed. How then will we be able to reach it with Christ’s love? Additionally when we attack in anger, we mark ourselves hippocryts and go against all of our Lord’s teachings. We fall into a stereotype of fanatacism. One from which no one will then care to listen to what we have to say, regardless of how true it is. I will lastly say though, it is good to see such conviction for our Lord. I only suggest that we pour that into our prayer life. And, if the spirit moves us, use that conviction to win a soul by the example of how Christ has moved in our life. By sharing his love with others. Not our own very human angers towards them. If we can stand united in the kind of love that Christ showed for us, others will see what He can do and yearn to be a part of that grace. I hope I have offended no one. God be with you all. Praise God!

    Rob

  60. oh, one last thing I forgot to address. I don’t feel that my faith is one of brainwashing that began at birth. I believe this does in fact occur many times. However it is those people who you will often find to be ones who follow the teachings of a person rather than their own personal faith walk with Jesus Christ. I am not saying that the clergy is not essential, because it truly is. God calls men and women to it so they may serve as guides for us. They are people like brother Eli who inspire us and cause us to think and examine the word. However, it is still upon “us” to know Jesus personally. I came to back to my faith at the age of 28 (I am still 28). I was raised methodist, but turned away from God and joined the world at a very very young age. It brought me nothing but heartache. I have gained a new appreciation for The Word as I turned back to God’s grace. In truth it was actually for the first time by my own decision. I wasn’t seeing church as something my mother or father made me go to anymore. I was doing it for myself and for God. That in itself has made all of the difference for me. It was also through a church that didn’t concern itself with denomination (which in itself can sometimes lead to judgement). It was by God’s grace alone that I was able to conquer my addiction to alcohol. It was by His works and not my own will power that I was set free to follow the path that He layed out before me. I have a testimony that could go on and on. My life was a hard one for as short as its been so far. But for now, it doesn’t pertain to this particular forum. I’d be glad to share it with anyone some other time though. Forgive me for my digression. Moving right along though, I can agree that the brainwashing, sadly, does sometimes happen. People begin to accept what they hear and never try to see for themselves where The Bible discusses it. I feel that if we hunger for salvation and seek out Christ for ouselves, we will find Him easily, and He will bless us with understanding. An understanding of His word as well as an understanding for each other. John 15:12: “This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.”

    Rob

  61. yeah right! what do you call yourselves then?

    Defender of Jesus?You don’t need to defend Jesus. If you say that the Lord Jesus is your pastor….why would a sheperd will be needing a protection from his flock? hello?
    a Sheperd should be the one protecting !

    he he he! you said it you have no pastor….maybe you have and you’re just hiding them, defending them….cowards! taking cheap shots at st. paul by siding with a fiction writer…phulease!

  62. to caroline,

    whats the matter with yoyu girl? its quite unfair to judge PAUL that way just because you and your kind dont understand the epistles of Paul.I fell terribly sorry for you and mr. adventist777 alike, instead of throwing words at you dear i pity you so much. I wish your elders of your church can defend your ANTI-PAUL belief my dear but i doubt it, believe me there’s no way your pastor will face BRO.ELI in a one to one debate to defend your absurd belief from hell.WANNA PROVE ME WRONG MY DEAR? GO AHEAD AND TELL YOUR PASTORS TO FACE THE MAN OF GOD IN A DEBATE, LETS SEE IF THEY HAVE THE BALLS.

    BELIEVE ME YOUR DESTINED TO LOOSE…… think deep my sis..

  63. to caroline,

    dnt you read my the Bible my dear? those who are considered brethren are the ones who follow the same path not different paths my dear. Remember that you resist to recognize the the Apostle of JESUS named Paul of tarsus.For your info the comandments that paul taught were the the comandments of LORD JESUS my dear caroline, IF YOU INSIST TO BE IGNORANT STILL THEN SO BE IT DEAR(1cor.14:37-38)

  64. to rob,greetings!

    you said…
    “we must show them with the love and happiness that living a life for Christ can provide.To be argumentative only places a lost soul further from grace…”

    ans:
    I’ll give you a scenario…
    You see a “blind man” walking TOWARDS a cliff,and you shout at him saying “THAT’S A DEAD END!!!”,and the blind man replied “DEAD END MY ASS!!!THIS PATH LEADS TO MY HOME!!!”

    – would’nt you try to “REASON” with the blind man even if it
    leads to “ARGUING” with him?
    – Is’nt REASONING a part of an ARGUMENT?
    – Is’nt it true that GOD himself said..
    “Come now, let us reason together, says the LORD: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.
    Isaiah 1:18

    *Showing love means “caring” for the person.
    *”caring” means you would not want anything bad happen
    to the person.
    **sometimes,you have to REASON with the one you LOVE,just to show the person of his wrong doings,even if it leads to ARGUMENT,to save him from comitting more mistakes.that is “TRUE LOVE”.

    GOOD DAY!

  65. Stephen Adams Weismiller

    To CAROLINE:

    Beware of your words..! Who do you think you are? A prophetess or somebody? Don’t ever underestimate our brother Saint Paul. Have you done the things he did and have you deeply fathomed his uncomparable writings called Epistles of Paul? Humiliate me with all those heathen and brutish and devilish insults and degrade and i will take it with all humility and submission but not to Saint Paul, the greatest among the apostles. How dare you!!! Assemble all the best in your bretheren, prove to us ur malicious accusations to Saint Paul in a FRIENDLY PUBLIC DEBATE with Bro. ELI. I know and I believe in his Godly and God-given talent and capacity to trample all the heresies propagated by most heretics of this passing world like you Ms. CAROLINE.

    Don’t be HYPOCRITE ms. Caroline!!!

  66. to caroline #61:

    you said…
    We have not met Bro. eli in person yet. And we are not members of SDAC!

    And we have no pastors, Our only pastor is Jesus christ, WE are all brethen!

    question…
    -you said “we have no pastors”,then added “Our only
    pastor is…
    hmmmm…is’nt that a little CONFUSING?…
    maybe you’re confused on what the word “PASTOR”
    means in the BIBLE.Maybe You should ask that “PAUL
    HATER GUY” who thought you.

    – if you have no pastor,where did you get that “PAUL’S A
    DECIEVER” belief of yours?You must have heard it from
    someone,do’nt tell me that it’s “INBORN”?

    – you said “WE” means you are “MANY”,how did you
    organise?
    don’t tell me you’ve just gathered out of nowhere with the
    same “I HATE PAUL” attitude?

    – you said your pastor was CHRIST…
    What’s your group called?
    is it an organization?a religious denomination?
    a fans club?what?

    you said…
    “WE” are all bretheren!…

    question…
    – When you say “WE” and “ALL”,your implying that no
    matter what my BELIEF is(coz I do’nt hate paul,HE has my
    full respect),”WE” still are “all bretheren”?
    – That just believing in CHRIST,”WE” became “all
    bretherens”?
    – That even though I believe in “PAUL THE DECIEVER”(as
    you have accused him),”WE” are still “ALL BRETHERENS”?
    – How about those
    PORN ADDICTS,DRUGPUSHERS,WOMANISERS,RUMOR
    MONGERERS,those who KILLS FOR A LIVING,who go to
    CHURCH REGULARLY,well,they BELIEVE in GOD too…
    do you consider them as “ALL YOUR BRETHERENS”?

    my point…
    To be a CHRISTIAN,you must respect CHRIST.
    To respect CHRIST,you must respect HIS commandments.
    To be able to respect the commandments,you must respect the ONE he intrusted his LAWS.
    The “APOSTLES”…
    rejecting ONE of them means rejecting the AUTHORITHY that called them.

    There’s no SHORTCUT to CHRIST…

    The “ONE” you rejected HOLDS one of the “KEYS” to SALVATION…PAUL of TARSIUS.

    GOOD DAY.

  67. caroline,

    you are the defenders of jesus & the direct apostles?!?! KIDDING US?!?! w/c jesus?!?!(Mat 7:21-22)

    Christians don’t just sit, while our LORD JESUS CHRIST(the synopsis of the BIBLE) is being maliciously, viciously attacked, defamed, maligned, vilified & ridiculed. how come you are on the side of those who did it?

    why were you obliged/forced to use other names? christians are not afraid to be hated (Luke21:17/Mat.10:22/Mark13:13) & be put to death(Luke 21:16/Mat.24:9) for CHRIST’s sake!!!

    prove that Bro Eli’s preachings are faulty & that the Apostle Paul was a vindictive individual “AFTER” he became a Christian!!!

    NO WONDER YOU ARE MISLED, YOU HAVE NO LEADER!!!
    A SHEEP WITHOUT A SHEPHERD WANDERS INDEED!!!

  68. hey rob, are you tryng to teach us your doctrine? sorry rob but your doctrine has no basis in the bible. it is just her say or rather your say. misleading doctrine has no effect to the true christians. our foundation in the word of God is very much strong. comparing us to the academians we are in collage or rather in masteral degree. It is just right to say those word to Sam coz he is the enemy of God. If he is just our enemy in the flesh, we can still love him n forgive him. just what the bible says” love your enemy”.thats true but in sams case it is different. hope you understand what I’m saying. God sent his messenger(prophet) to teach us and guide us to our salvation. thats the reason why we love the messenger of God.

    to God be the Glory!!!!

  69. to pathfinder, many thanks for the greetings

    I see your point very well. Thank you for putting it those terms for me. You are of course, right. I guess it just comes down to the situation and finding the right approach. I guess in my previous statements, I mostly draw from some of the people I’ve seen left behind. They were judged and abandoned by the church when it should have drawn them closer. They were people whose faith dangled by a thread. They teetered on nonbelief versus salvation. Sadly, because of self righteousness, nonbelief won. I guess that’s why I find myself feeling the way I do sometimes. But as I said before, in many cases, you are correct. I just probably haven’t reached a point in my faith walk where I feel comfortable arguing the truth. lol. I’d rather leave that to those more qualified and let my compassion do the talking. :o) Thanks for the feedback though. I appreciate your advice. It helped a great deal.

    God bless

    Rob

  70. Wolverine brother,

    (those who are considered brethren are the ones who follow the same path not different paths )

    >> I corected brother jet for his error about the LAW OF LIBERTY, I noticed that they Paul opposed the pillars, they did not say the same thing brother, Pardon me but it’s true, they have different path , I read it 5 times and I found out the real thing! Free to check it also brother!

    “Stand fast therefore in the liberty with which Christ made us free and do not again be held with the yoke of bondage” (Gal. 5:1)

    ….for beloved Paul the Law of Moses is a yoke of bondage

    “for whoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all for he who said” do not commit adultery” also said ” do not commit murder” but if you do not commit adultery , yet if you murder , you have become the transgressor of the law, So speak and do as those who shall be judge by the LAW of LIBERTY. ( James 2:10-12)

    ……for beloved James, the LAW of MOSES is the LAW of LIberty , a liberty experienced in submission.

    Thank you and God bless!

  71. Post # 25 & 30 are quite alarming, Is it true? Ka daniel pki-clear naman po yong mga issues.

    To God be the glory!

  72. to rob,

    you said…
    “They are people like brother Eli who inspire us and cause us to think and examine the word. However, it is still upon “us” to know Jesus personally…”

    ans.
    I’m sorry but I do’nt conform with your statement,allow me to explain my side :

    you said…
    it is still upon “us” to know Jesus personally…”

    ans.
    1.to know JESUS means to know HIS WILL.

    “If you keep My commandments, you shall abide in My love, even as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.”
    John 15:10

    2.nobody can “personnaly” come directly to JESUS,the simple fact is,HE’S already “up there” on the side of his FATHER.

    3.before HE left,”HE” gave HIS instructions to HIS “deciples”.

    “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
    Matthew 28:20

    3. JESUS instructed HIS deciples to teach people about HIS commandment.
    To know HIM,you must first know what HE had “TOLD” HIS deciples,for they are the one entrusted with the words of JESUS himself,for you to be able to follow HIM.

    “And why do you call Me Lord, Lord, and do not do what I say?”
    Luke 6:46

    4.one of the teaching of his deciple was the “PURE RELIGION”.
    ” Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, to visit orphans and widows in their afflictions, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.”
    James 1:27

    5.You need to be in the “PURE RELIGION” that the apostles were instructed to preach to be able to follow the will of the LORD.

    ” Therefore take heed to yourselves, and to all the flock in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to feed the church of God which He has purchased with His own blood.”
    The Acts 20:28

    6.”The CHURCH of GOD”,which he has purchased with “HIS” own blood.
    where the apostles preached the gospel of CHRIST…
    Where HE instructed the apostles to feed HIS flock…
    where the members practice the “PURE RELIGION”…
    where I am a member.

    You ca’nt go directly to a PRESIDENT.you must first follow the rules to be able to meet HIM.

    there is no “SHORTCUT” to “SALVATION”…

    May GOD enlighten your PATH my friend…

  73. to Isaac & Lorna T. Dy:

    it’s not Ethelman & Beirut it is the manipulation of the devil’s advocate the group of Caroline.

    to the group of Caroline:

    Act 13:10 and said, O full of all guile and all villany, thou son of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

  74. to babylon the great.
    there’s a saying that birds with the same feather are the same birds. he he he! you and the rest of your gang should debate brod eli. Sam and his cohorts vs. brod eli. Maybe that is a good idea. what do you think heh! all your knowledge against brod eli’s knowledge. thats the thing to settle the score, a DEBATE!!!!

  75. to Lorna and Isaanc

    elmantheman didnt post #25.. someone else did, but surely that someone is a liar!!

    that liar one used the name elmantheman, hoping to decive someone, a fool that one is..

  76. May the Righteous Lord bless everyone always!!!! I’m Masked Rider Den-O protecting the Middle East and to HELL with SAM-san if he does not change his attitude regarding this topic. To those people who still uplift the Bible and its teachings as the COOLEST and the BEST ever, may GOD’s blessings be with you. For those who are still stubborn and prefers to side with Satan like what Sam-san did, MAY GOD’S CURSE BE WITH YOU ALWAYS!!!!!!
    Unless you REPENT. And I wish you guys will. Thank you very much, Brod Eli for teaching us about GOD and Jesus’ words big time! This is Masked Rider Den-O again saying, “When I start, it’s already the CLIMAX! EXTREME SLASH!”. Just kidding! Good-bye, take care and GOD bless to all children of GOD.

  77. To antonio, john mark

    Ok thanks brothers! but I want a good refutation against his/her accusations.

    Its a serious accusations!

    Is anyone there wants to respond to post # 25 & 30 ?

  78. Dear ALL,

    I understand how painful what Mr. SAM JORDISON did to us who loves and respects JESUS. I was hurt pretty bad too after reading his posts. I agree that he is possesed by evil/demon because only them can do/say that to GOD.

    But GOD said that:
    “For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ” (2 Corinthians 10:3-5)

    As CHRISTIANS, we should all be careful for the things we said specially to the PEOPLE who doesn’t know the truth.. JESUS is LOVE.. and LOVE HE taught us.. We should pray for SAM JORDISON and other PEOPLE who made mistakes and mocked our JESUS. GOD is witnessing all these things and we are aware (even JORDISON because he read the bible in REVELATION) that there will be JUDGEMENT in the end of days. Submit our enemies to GOD because GOD is the ONLY JUDGE and HE is always FAIR. GOD is the only ONE who can PUNISH them according to their sin, not us.

    James 4:11-12 “Do not speak evil against one another, brethren. He that speaks evil against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. THERE IS ONE LAWGIVER AND JUDGE,HE WHO IS ABLE TO SAVE AND DESTROY…”

    Praise JESUS!

  79. TO KNIGHT,
    TO POST #80

    I see what your trying to do, your trying to make it appear that the 2 apostles follow dfferent LAWS.I kinda pity you as i pited ms. caroline, imagine, u have read GAL.5:1 and JAMES 2:10-12 five times already and still your were not able to get it right! Good thing that you aired this one for correction.

    Here’s your analysis:

    =GAL.5:1, “FOR BELOVED PAUL THE LAW OF MOSES IS A YOKE OF BONDAGE”
    WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND…
    =JAMES 2:1O-12, “FOR BELOVED JAMES, THE LAW OF MOSES IS THE LAW OF LIBERTY”

    MY ANSWER: yes, its true that for Paul the law of Moses is a yoke of bondage but on the other hand James never mentioned in JAMES2:10-12 that the law of liberty is the LAW OF MOSES.There’s no verse that can prove that the LAW OF MOSES is the LAW OF LIBERTY.
    Infact the LAW these two men followed were EXACTLY THE SAME , “THE LAW OF LIBERTY”
    In GAL5:1, for PAUL they are in the “LIBERTY” wherewith CHRIST and as you continue reading it to verse gal.5:13-14
    it confirms that they are really following the LAW OF LIBERTY WHICH IS THE LAW OF CHRIST AND NOT THE LAW OF MOSES bec. one of the commndments of the LAW OF LIBERTY(LAW OF CHRIST) is to LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF, this commandment was confirmed in MAT.22:39 that this commandment which is part of the LAW OF LIBERTY is indeed the OF CHRIST AND NOT OF MOSES.Infact in JAMES 2:8:12,
    Bro. JAMES confirms it also that the LAW OF LIBERTY IS THE LAW OF CHRIST AND NOT THE LAW OF MOSES, one similar commandment that ST.JAMES gavewhich is part of the LAW OF LIBERTY is the COMMANDMENT OF CHRIST which is” TO LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF”, exactly similar with ST.PAUL in GAL5:13-14. This commandment cannot be found in the LAW OF MOSES!

    SO THEREFORE THE LAW OF LIBERTY THAT WAS MENTIONED
    BY ST. JAMES WAS THE LAW OF CHRIST AND NOT THE LAW OF MOSES.THIS IS THE VERY SAME LAW THAT ST.PAUL FOLLOWED WHICH IS THE “LAW OF CHRIST” as it is written in GAL.6:2

    SO PLS STOP MALIGNING ST. PAUL OK? YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR SAYING (JUDE1:10) YOUR NOT A BEAST , ARE YOU?

  80. to antonio:

    Act 13:10 and said, O full of all guile and all villany, thou son of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

    ++

    The teacher of righteousness in the DEAD SEA SCROLLS mentioned about the spouter of lies, traitor of the covenant. he was the one perverting the ways of the Lord, who uses guile in his preaching and not us.

  81. To Ben Myers,

    Greetings: Maybe you’ve met the The Satanians not the Christians, Because if you really met the real Christians you’ll have by now the real meaning of Love,Understanding and Forgiveness…

    Lord pls forgive Ben Myers for he does not know what he is saying..

    coz im nobody

  82. to TINAYUMS:

    Mat 12:48-50″ Jesus answered, “Who is my mother? Who are my brothers? Then he pointed to his disciples and said, “Look! Here are my mother and my brothers! Whoever does what my Father in heaven wants is my brother, my sister, and my mother.”

    2Co 6:14 Do not try to work together as equals with unbelievers, for it cannot be done. How can right and wrong be partners? How can light and darkness live together?

    Rom 12:9 Love must be completely sincere. HATE WHAT IS EVIL, HOLD ON TO WHAT IS GOOD.

    Psalms 78:1″LISTEN, MY PEOPLE, TO MY TEACHING, AND PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT I SAY.

    Psalms 78:2″I AM GOING TO USE WISE SAYINGS AND EXPLAIN MYSTERIES FROM THE PAST,

    Psalms 78:3″THINGS WE HAVE HEARD AND KNOWN, THINGS THAT OUR ANCESTORS TOLD US.(GNB)

    Isa 58:1 The LORD says, “SHOUT AS LOUD AS YOU CAN! TELL MY PEOPLE ISRAEL ABOUT THEIR SINS!(GNB)

  83. TO TINAYUMS:

    2Co 10:3 It is true that we live in the world, but we do not fight from worldly motives.
    2Co 10:4 The weapons we use in our fight are not the world’s weapons but God’s powerful weapons, which we use to destroy strongholds. We destroy false arguments;
    2Co 10:5 we pull down every proud obstacle that is raised against the knowledge of God; we take every thought captive and make it obey Christ.

    The weapons we use in our fight are not the world’s weapons but …BUT…BUT…GOD’S POWERFUL WEAPONS, WHICH….WHICH…..WHICH…WE…WE… USE TO DESTROY STRONGHOLDS. WE…WE… DESTROY FALSE ARGUMENTS…FALSE ARGUMENTS…. WE PULL DOWN….WE PULL DOWN EVERY PROUUUD….OBSTACLE THAT IS RAISED AGAINST….AGAINST….THE KOWLEDGE OF GOD

    WE HOPE THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THE VERSES YOUR USING

    GOD BLESS

  84. to sam j. & company,

    Time will come that you and your cohorts will be force to beleive the WORDS of GOD in the BIBLE,either you want it or not….when the LORD GOD punish the “UNBELEIVER” then you will remember someone!!!!!….someone who’s telling you the truth that you ignore………. and that someone is……………. Bro. ELI SORIANO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ……Itaga mo yan sa bato@

  85. wolverine # 89

    Topic: Law of liberty

    You wrote: on the other hand James never mentioned in JAMES2:10-12 that the law of liberty is the LAW OF MOSES.There’s no verse that can prove that the LAW OF MOSES is the LAW OF LIBERTY.

    reply:

    Is it not obvious in the ff. verses below signify that James preached the Law of work and not the Law of Faith only / mercy of Paul?

    “Was not Abraham our Father Justified by works when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? do you see how FAITH WORKED WITH HIS WORKS,AND FROM THE WORK FAITH WAS MADE COMPLETE? And the scriptures was fulfilled which says: “Abraham believed God, and it was imputed to him for righteosness, and he was called the freind of God.” YOU SEE THEN HOW A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY WORKS, AND NOT BY FAITH ONLY? “( James 2: 21-24) – (debunking Romans 4:1-3)

    “for whoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all for he who said” do not commit adultery” also said ” do not commit murder” but if you do not commit adultery , yet if you murder , you have become the transgressor of the law, So speak and do as those who shall be judge by the LAW of LIBERTY. ( James 2:10-12) – (debunking Law of Faith only /grace of Paul)

    “But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein hebeing not a forgetful hearer, but a Doer of Work, this man shall be blessed in his deed ” ( James 1:25)

    “After this I will return and will build again the tabernacle of David which is fallen down and I will build again the ruins thereof and I will set it up, that the residue of men might seek after the Lord and all the gentiles upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord who doeth all these things” (Acts 15:16-17 here James is quoting Amos 9 : 11-12)

    Is it not obvious that James the lord’s brother is faithful to the Law?

  86. TO EARS AND KNIGHT ALIKE,

    YOU GUYS USED JAMES 2:21-24 TO PROVE THAT EVEN ABRAHAM FOLLOWED THE LAW OF MOSES/TEN COMMANDMENTS.

    NOW THIS IS REALLY GETTING VERY HARD ON YOUR PART!

    MY QUESTION WILL BE, WHAT PARTICULAR COMMANDMENT IN THE LAW OF MOSES/TEN COMMANDMENTS DID ABRAHAM FOLLOW?

    AND EXCUSE ME! ST. PAUL NEVER PREACHED FAITH ALONE SAVES! PAUL’S TEACHING IS PERFECTLY ALIGNED WITH JAMES TEACHING!

    JAMES 2:21-24 AND ROM. 4:1-3 ARE NOT CONTRADICTING AS WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO IMPUTE.

    PAUL NEVER, NEVER SAID THAT “ONLY FAITH AND NO WORKS” MADE ABRAHAM RIGHTEOUS TO GOD INSTEAD PAUL SAID “ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD AND IT WAS COUNTED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS” WHICH IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM “Abraham ‘BELIEVED ONLY’ an it was counted to him as righteousness”. THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER IS YOU JUST INVENTED UP TO MALIGN PAUL WITH YOUR RECKLESS INTERPRETATION.

    PAUL PREACHED “FAITH WITH WORKS AND NOT FAITH ONLY”
    TRY CONSIDER THIS VERSE MY FRIENDS

    HEB.11:17- By FAITH Abraham when he was tried OFFERED up Isaac:

    DID U SEE WHAT FAITH ABRAHAM POSSESSED? FAITH WITH WORKS! THE KEY WORD WAS “OFFERED”.
    HE HAS FAITH AND HE WORKED TOO BY OFFERING UP HIS SON.NOW THIS MAKES IT THE SAME WITH JAMES TEACHING IN JAMES 2:21-24.NOW, IS THAT FOUND IN THE LAW OF MOSES? yeah right,hehehhehhe….

  87. to ears and knight alike,

    what da! Abraham followed the LAW OF MOSES? ARE YOU KIDDIN ME!? What particular commandment in the LAW OF MOSES did Abraham follow? NOW IF YOU CAN PROVE TO ME THAT ABRAHAM FOLLOWED THE LAW OF MOSES/TEN COMMANDMENTS THEN I WILL CONCEDE.

  88. To Rob,
    For keeping an open mind, that’s first step to salvation .
    To those who seek the Lord earnestly they will find Him for the Lord searches men who is also searching for Him. So keep on searching and i hope that you’ll find Him so soon 🙂

  89. to british guy post 29,
    hey british guy! do you want us to be happy after what sam published against our Lord Jesus. there is a saying that in every action there is opposite reaction. were not foul mouting, were just saying what he really deserved. i understand you both, lack of knowledge in the biblical thruth will surely say that

  90. Very well explained, Bro.Eli! My faith in God is still unbreakable!

    To Mr.Myers….I just hope you cited a verse from the quran that can be considered true and let us discuss about it.If you want let us compare the bible and the quran,but from Bro.Eli’s explanation you can decipher that the Holy Bible has the ultimate truth and all the pieces of truth which are leading for man’s salvation.

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