A Scientific Way of Discovering Biblical Truth (Part 3)


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This is the third installment of my article entitled “A Scientific Way of Discovering Biblical Truth”

One does not have to be a special someone in society to be instrumental in preaching the true Gospel of Christ. The very first called Apostles were illiterate fishermen.

(Acts 4:13) Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marveled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.

Those who are called for God’s special purpose are mostly ‘nobodies’ in society.

(1 Corinthians 1:26-29) For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to naught things that are…

This is God’s way in expressing and making known His power. The unimportant and the poor nation of Israel were chosen to be God’s people.

(Deuteronomy 7:6-7) For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people…

They were then the only people of God on earth.

(2 Kings 5:15) And he returned to the man of God, he and all his company, and came, and stood before him: and he said, Behold, now I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel: now therefore, I pray thee, take a blessing of thy servant.

(Romans 9:4-5) Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.

Jesus Christ, the greatest person who ever lived on earth, came out from these oppressed people of God. John the Baptist, a great prophet, is a poor uneducated man.

(Matthew 3:4) And the same John had his raiment of camel’s hair, and a leather girdle about his loins; and his meat was locusts and wild honey.

This is consistently the pattern of God’s salvation wherein He uses the lowly to do great task.

(Ecclesiastes 9:14-15) There was a little city, and few men within it; and there came a great king against it, and besieged it, and built great bulwarks against it: Now there was found in it a poor wise man, and he by his wisdom delivered the city; yet no man remembered that same poor man.

Paul, an educated Apostle confessed of his infirmity, thus, leaving him no chance of glorifying himself.

(2 Corinthians 12:6-9) For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me. And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

 

 

Brother Eli: The person and the work

02.jpgI have nothing to boast or to glory about myself. I am definitely nobody. Whatever infirmities or defects I have in my person is known to my peers. As I have said before, I am not perfectly witty, but I am perfectly me.

I am not ashamed about my person to anyone because I know that this is the way my Creator wants me to be: In height; the color of my skin (now, with blemishes); my eyes (although quite protruding); my voice (which I know is not quite inviting to ears — but I love singing); and the entire person I am. To sum it all up, I am not of a very pleasing personality; but I want to tell everybody that it is not my goal to please everybody, but my God. Of course, conscientiously, I want to please people — as it is convenient to live without enemies. But I know, of certainty, the path that I am presently treading is one where I will meet and make more enemies than friends.

Can I be used by God as a preacher of the true Gospel? Let us consult the Holy Scriptures. The only quality needed for somebody to be used by God as Instrument of His righteousness is to be clean or pure.

(2 Timothy 2:19-21) Nevertheless, the firm foundation of God stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Everyone who names the name of the Lord is to abstain from wickedness.” Now in a large house there are not only gold and silver vessels, but also vessels of wood and of earthenware, and some to honor and some to dishonor. Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from these things, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified, useful to the Master, prepared for every good work.

I believe it is the Master that prepares a vessel for a good work. It is not within man’s ability to clean and prepare himself for a good work or purpose.

(Jeremiah 10:23) O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Doing good is an obligation of anyone who knows how to do it.

(James 4:17) Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

My fear of the Lord, and the fear to sin consistently, are the factors that drives me to speak the Gospel — to preach it.

When I first got hold of a Bible, there was, inside me, a power that made me feel the urge to read… and read more… and more… and more.

As I read, verses were imprinted in my mind one after the other, verses that arouse my consciousness about every problem and questions in life. What is life for? Why does it end? Who gives it? And what will be the afterlife?

These questions were all answered until the time that I can not anymore contain it within me, but I want to share it to others, as somebody who has found a great wealth willing to share and alleviate the sufferings of the poor.

The knowledge that I have accumulated in reading the word of God obliges me to speak and share the truth that I have known. My faith gives me the strength to speak.

(2 Corinthians 4:13) We having the same spirit of faith, according as it is written, I believed, and therefore have I spoken; we also believe, and therefore speak…

I know that the mouth of a human person can be used to tell the truth about God.

(Romans 10:10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

I have a mouth and there is faith in my heart, these compel me to break my silence. I believe people should be warned. They have to hear the Good News; it is not only their right, but my obligation.

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(Bro. Eli Soriano preaching in Araneta Coliseum, one of the largest and more famous dome in the world, to less  than 30,000 people searching for the genuine Word of God.  This “Bible Exposition” was also broad casted  simultaneously all over the world via internet, and through the facilities of Globecast Satellite servers.)

(1 Corinthians 9:16) For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

I have an open mind and heart. If there is anybody in this dispensation who knows better than what I have known, I am willing to be subjected to him and help him labor for the glory of the God of Israel.

I am old and tired. I have labored for years; but I believe what I have done, is not even an inch of the many miles of work that lies ahead. I do not know when I will rest, but before I finally close my lips in silence, God-willing, until that time, I want to speak the truth — and nothing but the truth. So help me God. Until then, I am nobody.

(Luke 17:10) So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, we are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

To this, I say, AMEN!

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EFS

On the Next Blog: Prophecies concerning Brother Eli.

 

Other Related Articles:

 

A Scientific Way of Discovering Biblical Truth (Part 2)

A Scientific Way of Discovering Biblical Truth (Part 1)

From Dust to Man: A Scientific Proof

The Sin of Jose Luis Miranda’s Illusion

Paul Labored More Abundantly than the Other Apostles

The Roman Catholic Church is Not the True Church of God

 

 

About Brother Eliseo F. Soriano
"But none of these things move me, neither do I count my life dear to myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus Christ, to testify fully the gospel of the grace of God." Acts 20:24

85 Responses to A Scientific Way of Discovering Biblical Truth (Part 3)

  1. Fernan Salon says:

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    “I am old and tired. I have labored for years; but I believe what I have done, is not even an inch of the many miles of work that lies ahead. I do not know when I will rest, but before I finally close my lips in silence, God-willing, until that time, I want to speak the truth — and nothing but the truth. So help me God. Until then, I am nobody. ” – Brother Eli

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    Because of you, I learned to thank our God, the God who created all of us. How lucky are the people in this despensation, to behold the words of a preacher sent by God… How lucky.

    To God be the Glory, Thanksgiving, Praises! Amen.

  2. Tony Santos says:

    Amen!

    Forever thanks be to unto God!

    We love you Bro. Eli!

  3. adlib says:

    AMEN…
    THANKS AND GLORY BE TO GOD

  4. David Manangan says:

    I thank God I have meet brother Eli! You can feel in your heart the truthfulness of what he is saying….and can read from the bible the proof of his teachings and the pattern of being a servant of God.

  5. Beiruth says:

    Brother Eli is not seeking his own glory neither he preach his own self.

    2Corinthians 4:5 For we do not preach ourselves but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as merely your servants for Jesus’ sake.

  6. alvinmatias says:

    Amen.
    Brother Eli’s preaching saved me from many years of being a drunkard. His gospel preaching has changed many people’s way of life. I hope and pray that he can spread it more all over the world in many years to come with God’s help.

  7. Raz says:

    He is the ONE, the only ONE, the chosen ONE.

    Brother Eliseo F. Soriano

    Amen……

  8. M says:

    Amen!!! To God be the Glory!

  9. rafic says:

    from rafi_10sep2004@yahoo

    these i marvel….amazed…

    for GOD always give us always the best…and the best man on this planet earth to deliver HIS messages to us….

    “….ang langit at lupa ay lilipas….ngunit ang AKING salita ay hindi lilipas….”

    i believe in bro.Eli’s concience…the truthcaster…always believing on the words of our GOD….

    to GOD be the glory….!!!

  10. G says:

    Amen.

    For I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. – Rom.8:38-39

  11. christine says:

    Thanks be to God for giving us Brother Eli. The truthcaster in our time.

    Thanks be to God that He called me in the Church, that He give me chance to have a new life, to know Him and to do His will.

    Thanks be to God, that as of today I’m still breathing the breathe of Life He gave me.

    Thanks be to God for all his warnings, his doctrines, through Brother Eli, I’ve come to know and with the help from God, been able to do it.

    May God help us in our journey.

    All GLory and honor to God!!!

  12. Adlib says:

    wow! im now excited for the next blog!…AMEN to this site…

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  14. magiceye says:

    Amen! Bro. Eli is truly a messenger of God……. even the name “BRO. ELI” is just right!… i know it’s not a coincidence but i feel “something” in that name, something special!

  15. i agree to this post. ^^ good luck on your next post, we’ll be waiting. ^^

  16. I am a living proof and the fruit of Bro. Eli’s preaching. Not by his word but by God’s word.

    May God’s tribe increase. Amen.

  17. alanrakaf says:

    Thanks be to GOD for his unfathomable gifts and all the things HE had given me. for all of these I say AMEN too .

  18. Next blog, please!

    Thanks be to GOD!

    AMEN!

  19. When it rains, it pours…

    In the CHURCH OF GOD, it rains with verses, it pours wisdom

    and truth!

    It is very overwhelming to know that you are walking the right

    path to salvation…

    (James 4:17) Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

    It is good to read… Apoc. 1:3

    Blessed are those who readeth…

    So, read the blogs of Bro. Eliseo Soriano…

    It’s good! Definitely!

    Thanks be to GOD!

  20. nancy says:

    I have nothing to say except, AMEN, Glory to GOD forever.
    Any reader of this blog is very fortunate because the words spoken by Bro. Eli comes from God.

    All we have to do is to ponder it in our hearts. Thanks be to GOD.

  21. tagabuwisit says:

    very inspiring!
    we pray you’d always be safe.
    we love you ingkong!!!

  22. mayerd says:

    long live Bro. Eli

  23. Knight says:

    “I am old and tired. I have labored for years; but I believe what I have done, is not even an inch of the many miles of work that lies ahead. I do not know when I will rest, but before I finally close my lips in silence, God-willing, until that time, I want to speak the truth — and nothing but the truth. So help me God. Until then, I am nobody. ” – Brother Eli

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    MY God! the apostle in the end time has spoken! Brother Yakovlevich, hope you fully understand Bro. eli’s message which is a truly a sign of HUMILITY.

    ……….”Is not even an inch of many miles”

    ……….”I am nobody”

    To God be the Glory forever, AMEN!

  24. EYES says:

    Knight,

    I already feel disgusted of your always reiterated word “HUMILITY”.

    it is written:

    “……….., Why callest thou me HUMBLE? there is none HUMBLE but one, that is, God: …………………”

    “COME TO ME, and learn of me; for I am HUMBLE and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

    EYES

  25. cherry of Cavite says:

    Me and my family are thankful to have a preacher like you.. Bro. ELI..I felt the sincerity of what YOU saus. ‘ders a tears in my eyes while I’m reading, maybe its a tears of JOY… that money can’t buy. WE HAVE A RIGHT AND PERFECT DECISION IN LIFE TO FOLLOW AND LISTEN TO YOU.
    Salamat po sa DIOS kapatid na ELI.
    Ikaw ang aking INSPIRATION sa tuwing dumaranas ako ng pagsubok sa buhay na ito. Salamat po sa bawat salitang nagpapalakas sa aming kalooban…
    WE ENLIGHTEN BECAUSE YOU ARE the ambassador of GOD.

    TO GOD BE THE GLORY FOREVER AND EVER…..

  26. Yakovlevich says:

    Humble as Bro. Eli is, nonetheless, he is great in my eyes: For everything that comes from God is great.

  27. Knight says:

    To EYES # 24

    I already feel disgusted of your always reiterated word “HUMILITY”.

    ______________

    AM I not free to say my statement of faith here that Bro. eli is a man of HUMILITY better than St. Paul in terms of Character?

    Do not take away my F-r-e-e-d-o-m! If you are inlove with your preacher, is it bad to say something out of love about him? of his wonderful trait?

    Since you started this thread, CAN YOU Prove for the sake of this converstaion created by you that Bro. eli is not HUMBLE than st. paul?

    Did you hear Bro. eli boast for his work? just like the narration below?

    “Let no man think me a fool; if otherwise, yet as a fool receive me, that I may boast myself a little. That which I speak, I speak it not after the Lord, but as it were foolishly, in this confidence of boasting….”

    Instead bro. eli said:

    ……….”Is not even an inch of many miles”

    ……….”I am nobody”

    Bro. eli did not boast even a little!

    Ok EYES? it seems to me that your eyes is close why not open your eyes to see the truthfulness of my assertion.

  28. Roy _ B says:

    Many people have been doing a lot of ways in finding the truth
    in the Bible.

    Now, give yourselves a chance, if you are really serious in search for truth, here it is, the “scientific way” to discover it.

  29. Noreen says:

    EYES,

    Are you the same EYES who commented in the previous post,

    or do we have a new pair of EYES in this blog?

    Why be disgusted if it is true?

    Puri sa dapat papurihan!

    Yakovlevich,

    re: post#26

    Thanks!

    You already posted what I am about to post!

    Salamat sa Dios!

    Let us continue to disover God’s magnificent truth through

    Bro. Eli!

    Let us not just be few… let us network… let us share the

    learnings we are savoring here especially “sa mga nawawala

    at pati na rin sa mga nagwawawala”.

    This is undoubtedly an extension of the feast of God on

    earth!

    Let us also help to propagate this site to all, young and old…

    post this to your friendster account, YM, e-mail, etc….

    TO GOD BE THE GLORY!

  30. jet says:

    Amen! Bro. Eli is truly a messenger of God……. good luck on your next post, we’ll be waiting. ^^

    Forever thanks be to unto God!

    We love you Bro. Eli!

    …….I am a living proof and the fruit of Bro. Eli’s preaching. Not by his word but by God’s word.

    To God be the Glory

    To ALL,

    I humbly apologize for using the name of MCGI member Locale of UK in my last accepted post on this thread. It is necessary! TRUTH KNOWS HOW MUCH I TRIED TO POST MY ANSWERS TO JET’ MALICIOUS ACCUSATIONS (#127 & 128 ). THIS blog of EFS maliciously sealed my lips.

    I think all of us are in harmony of thought if i say we all LIKE our chosen name to be known as the writer of our articles. In my case You need to be open-minded to understand my situation in this forum.

    AGain truly TRUTH itself is the living witness of how much I tried to post my articles but to no avail until i used the name of MCGI, perhaps the owner think that, “OH i need to let this one to pass so I can misrepresent him again”.

    And kindly do not blame me jet, if I accuse you of not posting my counter-arguments, REMEMBER you are one with THEM! BUT If you are not involve then I humbly say Sorry for that assertion of mine. TRY TO PLACE YOURSELF ON MY SIDE TO FEEL THE UNFAIRNESS that’s given to me, you are trying to post your articles and yet the moderator of this blog unceasingly murdered your argument along the way. WHY?

    ANYWAY, Here is my first part of my response to your so called faulty understanding of mine. In a way this is just a trial on my part using my very own username, if this one WILL BE ASSASINATED AGAIN then our lively discussion will NOT continue ANYMORE , what’s the point?

    I jUST LEAVE IT TO THE LORD – OUR REAL FAIR MODERATOR!

    The problem with your view as usual, is that you took Daniel’s chapter 7 as it is, (as literal as if there is no essence on it, & without taking into consideration the REVELATION OF JOHN )but not the essence of narration in line with the essence of the narration in Revelation. Though I MUST admit many bible scholars labored abundantly to determine the real message of the prophecy but to NO AVAIL. THERE ARE MANY SPECULATIVE IDEAS about it, EACH has its own flaws. SOME says concerning the ANTI-CHRIST, that it’s not yet happening , meaning it’s still in the FUTURE, this is the common understanding on this subject, but by reading and understanding revelation as an instrument in understanding the ESSENCE of Daniel’s prophecy, then in a way the “BEAST” can be known. “HE” is not of future event “He” has already come.

    LET US NOT Prematurely CONCLUDE THAT IT IS PAUL of TARSUS AS A PERSON , but we can say that Paul was his instrument. In a way we can also assert that Paul was only decieved in his road to DAMASCUS, in this manner Paul was only a VICTIM, WAS paul of tarsus fully conscious that he was indeed the deciever? yes or no?

    well, let us not speculate, let us proceed!

    you wrote: OTHER KING = PAUL OF TARSUS

    because – is the Father; the mastermind or the leader of this 4th kingdom – Roman Empire; labelled himself as a ”Father”; wanted to be called a ” father”.

    This is actually very funny because I have researched the history of the ‘Roman Empire’, and I never found Paul of Tarsus to be one of its MASTERMIND, LEADER, or EMPEROR.

    my response: As expected you failed again the essence of my narration. Did i ever say that Paul as a person was the EMPEROR or LEADER of ROME? or I am talking figuratively that in essence Paul’s spirit is in ACTION? Religion is powerful tool during those time, religion is a force (even today) Religion can kill, Religion can destroy, Religion can conquer, “RELIGIONS DIVIDES PEOPLE , IT IS SPIRITUALITY THAT UNITES THEM” and History is the living witness about it, SLAVERY was taken from Paul’s epistle, EXCOMMUNICATION and EXTERMINATION can be hinted in paul’s letter . PAULINE CHRISTIANITY WAS EMBRACED BY ROME (until now), and therefore the “the PAULINE Spirit” is the Mastermind or the Leader in essence but of course He is not the ONE written in history as the Emperor of ROME.

    Is it still funny? well it is safe to assert that in this regard your understanding is faulty.

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    Jet wrote: You used 1 cor 4:15 and Phil 1:10. That must be from ESV or ISV or what have you. But if we look it up in greek, the word used there is:
    G1080
    ?e??a´?
    gennao¯
    ghen-nah’-o
    From a variation of G1085; to procreate (properly of the father, but by extension of the mother); figuratively to regenerate: – bear, beget, be born, bring forth, conceive, be delivered of, gender, make, spring.

    See the difference?

    response: Again, you are focusing too much on the letters but not the significance of the letters in its proper usage in regards to the essence of the narration and its relevance to the other passages with the same content but not written as it is.

    It is true I Cor. 4:15, that Paul uses the title of “Father” for himself, He says that He is the Spiritual FATHER to those WHOM HE HAS CONVERTED to CHRIST. and to prove this assertion biblically let me quote from the other passage taken from his own pen. (not from the pen of jet)

    ” Unto Timothy, MY OWN SON IN THE FAITH , Grace, mercy and peace, from God our Father, and Jesus christ our Lord (1 Tim. 1:2) (from KJV -your favorite translation -BELIEVE IN YOUR EMBRACED TRANSLATION).

    THOUGH HE KNOWS THAT THERE IS GOD THE FATHER, BUT HE’S NOT INFORMED OF THE PROHIBITION TAUGHT BY JESUS.

    If He called Timothy as HIS OWN SON , it logically follows that HE IS the FATHER in FAITH of TIMOTHY, Is he not? because he hath converted Timothy to Christ (his own version of Christ)

    Is it clear or Is it not?

    Did st. Paul not know of Jesus prohibition? well, the direct apostles who ate, drink and chatted with Jesus knows this by heart and thought, the 12 apostles and other brethen followed Jesus’ command and received their daily bread guided by the holy spirit as promised by Jesus before he left them.

    Jesus is stranger to Paul, he did not met Jesus in person. So for Paul and his cohorts He’s indeed an apostle

    from his pen we read:

    “If to OTHERS I am not an apostle, at least I am to YOU…” (I Cor. 9:2)

    TO EXTRACT THE essence of his statement would become somewhat LUDICROUS. b’coz it will goes in this way.

    “WELL, I MAY NOT BE AN APOSTLE LIKE THEM, BUT AT LEAST I AM AS FAR AS YOU ARE CONCERNED”

    So jet, who are the OTHERS? Who are the SUPERLATIVE APOSTLES whom he compared his teachings?
    ( I hope to hear something from you? )

    FROM THE ABOVE understanding of yours, proves that you are still a BABE in terms of spiritual maturity, why? , you are still living in letters as if the letters are just letters.

    I cannot even compare you to Tony Santos in terms of Knowledge, how much more to the level of wisdom of bro. EYES?

    to the moderators: Kindly allow this message of mine to be posted for Truth’s sake so that our fruitful discussion can continue. Thank you! God is watching!

    Well, let us talk a little about the anti -christ

    You wrote: Let me show you from the bible about the antichrist.

    YOu quoted: . 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    reply: Was paul not a liar? Remember he was accused of Lying but he denied it many times even swore in the name of heavens by calling God the father and holy spirit as witnesses (disobeying Jesus) , who accused him of lying? ARE YOU NOT YET INFORM OF HIS LIE?

    You said: Did Paul ever denied the Father and the Son? No! Instead he said:1 Corinthians 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

    reply: A deceiver is a master of words, He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, He posesses a silver tonque AND mighty pen. BUT HE CANNOT HIDE HIS REALITY to “OTHERS”. Did he not deny Jesus in essence by not obeying him ? or contradicting his statement? DID HE NOT BETRAY JESUS IN SPIRIT? If he is disobeying Jesus then it logically follows that he is disobeying God the FATHER also. because Jesus has no doctrine by himself , ALL are coming from his Father. do you still remember when i showed you, HOW HE UNKNOWINGLY OMITTED THE VERY FIRST COMMANDMENT?

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    Article B of Part I

    To Jet

    ON the issue of SELF – PROMOTION – such as calling himself a FATHER

    Jet,

    After proving that he is indeed a “father” to those whom he converted clearly shows that Paul is aspiring to an office that can be legitimately occupied only by God. ONE CANNOT EXALT ONESELF MORE THAN THAT.

    Paul looked at himself as above others as regards to his relationship to God, He labored more than OTHERS, He walked uprightly than OTHERS etc. etc. He considered his words as the words of God.

    He saw himself as the perfection of Christ and thus urged his followers to IMITATE HIM.

    ” I URGE YOU, Then, BE IMITATORS OF ME ” (I Cor. 4:16)

    “BE imitators of me, as I AM of Christ ( I Cor. 11:1)

    “What do you have LEARNED and RECEIVED and HEARD and SEEN in ME, do, and the GOD of peace will be with YOU” ( Phil.4:9)

    Jet, FOR YOUR INFORMATION, our lord Jesus did not call on his disciples to IMITATE HIM. INstead ON THE model of imitation Jesus always designated his FATHER as a TRUE EXAMPLE and to prove this assertion let me quote:

    “YOu , therefore must be perfect as your heavenly FATHER is perfect (Matthew 5:48)

    and not ” you must be perfect as I (jesus) am perfect”

    in other occasion he said:

    “BE MERCIFUL, even as your FATHER is merciful ( Luke 6:36)

    and not: ” be merciful as I (jesus) am merciful

    IN other words, Jesus advised us to be humbled! He concisely said that those who are exalting himself will be humbled and taught us not to let the left hand knows what the right hand is doing that’s probably the reason why the direct apostles were silent of their works and labors, they ALL know that a truly meek and humble man would never boast or exalt himself of his superiority as paul sometimes did.

    THIS ACCUSATION is not baseless, as a matter of scriptures it can be found from his pen as clearly stated above and in the other passages. HE IN HIS OWN WORDS reveals about HIMSELF.

    DO YOU FOLLOW JET and do you understand? Can you see now that Paul’s christ is not the real JESUS?

    End of part I

  31. errol m says:

    brother Eli,

    This article of yours have made me realised once again of the humble realities of myself. It is true that none of us has nothing to boast or glory about ourselves for all of us has infirmities in the flesh just like St. Paul. But, just like you broher Eli, me too is not ashamed about my person to anyone because this is what God has decided to be the best for me.

    I will be forever grateful to our God and to you brother Eli, that inspite of my infirmitiesand iniquities, a person normally discriminated by the society, was been called by Him and has been given a chance to salvation. I thank God brother Eli for sending you to us, a person being used by God in converting sinners like me.

    It is because of you brother Eli, through the mercy of God, that I found the truth and learned the right way to serve our Creator.

    God Bless you brother Eli.

  32. jet says:

    EVERYONE,

    I would just like to put it on record that I never wrote post #30. Look at how these people are accusing Paul of deceiving many, when it is them, who are really deceiving many.

    Mahiya naman kayo mga SDAC members!

  33. jet says:

    30 ADVENTIST777,

    1. You said, “I humbly apologize for using the name of MCGI member Locale of UK in my last accepted post on this thread. ”

    I think it is also necessary for you to apologize for using my name now!

    2. You said, “And kindly do not blame me jet, if I accuse you of not posting my counter-arguments, REMEMBER you are one with THEM! BUT If you are not involve then I humbly say Sorry for that assertion of mine. ”

    Why not? Next time, before you accuse someone of something, you should have BASES first! It is you who is accusing Paul of being a CHAMELEON, when it is who is acting like it. SHAME ON YOU SDAC members! Is this humility that you are saying?

    3. You said, “TRY TO PLACE YOURSELF ON MY SIDE TO FEEL THE UNFAIRNESS that’s given to me, you are trying to post your articles and yet the moderator of this blog unceasingly murdered your argument along the way. ”

    I do not want to place myself on your side because you are on the wrong side! If you feel it’s unfair, then why not create your own blog and then invite us there, right?!

    NAKAKAHIYA KAYO! YOU ARE WHAT YOU SAY PAUL WAS!

  34. jet says:

    30 ADVENTIST777,

    1. You said, “LET US NOT Prematurely CONCLUDE THAT IT IS PAUL of TARSUS AS A PERSON , but we can say that Paul was his instrument.”

    Ha? I must really say that YOU ARE WHAT YOU SAY PAUL WAS! Have you already forgotten what you said before? Let me remind you then.

    “It is my time now to request from you to please answer those statements (your assignments jet!) or accusation against your apostle Saul- the Anti-christ”

    2. You said, “As expected you failed again the essence of my narration. Did i ever say that Paul as a person was the EMPEROR or LEADER of ROME? or I am talking figuratively that in essence Paul’s spirit is in ACTION? ”

    Ha? Let me remind what you said:

    “Paul of tarsus is the Father, the mastermind or the leader of this 4th kingdom- Roman Empire”

    Are you denying this now?

    3. You said, “…SLAVERY was taken from Paul’s epistle, EXCOMMUNICATION and EXTERMINATION can be hinted in paul’s letter .”

    Which verses? Prove it with verses – not just with baseless accusations like you did to me.

    4. You said, “PAULINE CHRISTIANITY WAS EMBRACED BY ROME (until now), and therefore the “the PAULINE Spirit” is the Mastermind or the Leader in essence but of course He is not the ONE written in history as the Emperor of ROME.”

    Now, you are adding the phrases, ‘the pauline spirit’ and ‘ESSENCE’ – which is still WRONG!

    If the Roman regime really did EMBRACED it, they should have not worshipped the creature more than the Creator.

    Romans 1:25  Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    MALI KA DIYAN!

    5. You asked, “Is it still funny? well it is safe to assert that in this regard your understanding is faulty.”

    Yes this is still funny, faulty, and malicious!

  35. jet says:

    30 ADVENTIST777,

    1. You said, “Again, you are focusing too much on the letters but not the significance of the letters in its proper usage in regards to the essence of the narration and its relevance to the other passages with the same content but not written as it is. ”

    You should have said, ‘the significance of the letters and the the essence of the narration TO YOU and your COHORTS ONLY!

    But among early christians in the bible – NEVER! In fact, NEVER was it written that Paul was called, ‘FATHER’ by anyone NEITHER did Paul intend any of the brethrens to address him like what you are accusing him of.

    Talking about relevance to other passages:

    a. PETER CALLED PAUL – OUR BELOVED BROTHER

    2 Peter 3:15  And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

    B. PAUL SAID OF TIMOTHY – OUR BROTHER

    Philemon 1:1  ¶Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, and Timothy our brother, unto Philemon our dearly beloved, and fellowlabourer,

    C. OFPHILEMON – BROTHER

    Philemon 1:20  Yea, brother, let me have joy of thee in the Lord: refresh my bowels in the Lord.

    D. OF TIMEOTHEUS – OUR BROTHER

    1 Thessalonians 3:2  And sent Timotheus, our brother, and minister of God, and our fellowlabourer in the gospel of Christ, to establish you, and to comfort you concerning your faith:

    E. OF ONESIMUS – A FAITHFULE AND BELOVED BROTHER

    Colossians 4:9  With Onesimus, a faithful and beloved brother, who is one of you. They shall make known unto you all things which are done here.

    F. OF TYCHICUS – A BELOVED BROTHER

    Colossians 4:7  ¶All my state shall Tychicus declare unto you, who is a beloved brother, and a faithful minister and fellowservant in the Lord:

    G. OF EPAPHRODITUS – HIS BROTHER

    Philippians 2:25  Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants.

    H. OF TITUS – HIS BROTHER

    2 Corinthians 2:13  I had no rest in my spirit, because I found not Titus my brother: but taking my leave of them, I went from thence into Macedonia.?

    I. OF APOLLOS – HIS BROTHER

    1 Corinthians 16:12  As touching our brother Apollos, I greatly desired him to come unto you with the brethren: but his will was not at all to come at this time; but he will come when he shall have convenient time.

    J. OF SOSTHENES – OUR BROTHER

    1 Corinthians 1:1  ¶Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

    K. OF QUARTUS – A BROTHER

    Romans 16:23  Gaius mine host, and of the whole church, saluteth you. Erastus the chamberlain of the city saluteth you, and Quartus a brother.

    L. ANANIAS SAID TO PAUL – BROTHER

    Acts 9:17  And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

    2. And by the way, do you happen to know who wrote the BOOK OF ACTS? Don’t you ever wonder what LUKE called PAUL?

    Am I still focusing too much on the letters or it is you? If indeed Paul used the title FATHER for himself, Luke should have recorded also that Paul scolded Ananias for calling him BROTHER and told him not to call him brother again but instead FATHER. MAHIYA KA NAMAN SA MGA PARATANG MO!

    3. Are you also accusing of the apostle JOHN of the same thing when he said called the early christians as HIS LITTLE CHILDREN, HIS CHILDREN when he wrote to them? Or you are just BIAS AGAINST PAUL?

    1 John 2:1  ¶My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

    3 John 1:4  I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.

    Are you also accusing the apostle JOHN of being the antichrist? NAKAKAHIYA YANG ARAL NA NATUTUNAN MO!

  36. jet says:

    30 ADVENTIST777,

    1. You said, “If He called Timothy as HIS OWN SON , it logically follows that HE IS the FATHER in FAITH of TIMOTHY, Is he not? because he hath converted Timothy to Christ (his own version of Christ) Is it clear or Is it not? ”

    YOUR ILLOGIC IS AS MURKY AS THE PASIG RIVER!

    Again, does it also logically follow that when the apostle JOHN called/addressed early christians in the bible as HIS LITTLE CHILDREN OR HIS CHILDREN, that HE IS THE FATHER IN FAITH OF ALL OF THEM?

    1 John 2:1  ¶My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

    3 John 1:4  I have no greater joy than to hear that my children walk in truth.

    Are you also accusing the apostle John of the same MALICIOUS ALLEGATIONS? MAHIYA KA NAMAN!

    2. You asked, “Did st. Paul not know of Jesus prohibition? ”

    OF COURSE, HE DID! This is why he called the addressed the brethrens as brothers and sisters.

    To prove fuRther:

    OF PHEBE – OUR SISTER

    Romans 16:1  ¶I commend unto you Phebe our sister, which is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea:

    See?

    3. You said, “Jesus is stranger to Paul, he did not met Jesus in person. So for Paul and his cohorts He’s indeed an apostle”

    You see, you really do not understand what the Lord Jesus Christ (WHOM YOU SAY YOU BELIEVE IN – THOUGH I DOUBT IT) said. There is really no wonder why you do not understand what the apostle Paul (WHOM YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN) wrote.

    a. The Lord Jesus Christ said:

    John 20:29  Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

    Had Paul seen Him? You already answered it.

    Did Paul believe?

    1 Corinthians 15:3  For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4  And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

    Yes!

    Is he blessed then? Well, according to this verse, he is!

    b. The Lord Jesus Christ said:

    John 14:12  ¶Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

    Paul said:

    Colossians 1:24  Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body’s sake, which is the church:

    See?

  37. jet says:

    30 ADVENTIST777,

    1. You said, “from his pen we read: “If to OTHERS I am not an apostle, at least I am to YOU…” (I Cor. 9:2)TO EXTRACT THE essence of his statement would become somewhat LUDICROUS. b’coz it will goes in this way. “WELL, I MAY NOT BE AN APOSTLE LIKE THEM, BUT AT LEAST I AM AS FAR AS YOU ARE CONCERNED” So jet, who are the OTHERS? Who are the SUPERLATIVE APOSTLES whom he compared his teachings?
    ( I hope to hear something from you? )”

    This just shows how SHAMEFUL the doctrines that you learned are. You really do not understand.

    a. You see, the apostle Paul was a chosen vessel unto the Lord to bear His name before the GENTILES, and the children of Israel.

    Acts 9:15  But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

    b. I find no difference between you and the Jews who were filled with envy when they saw the multitudes in the city and spake against those things which were spoken against Paul.

    Acts 13:45  But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

    You must be really one with JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC. MANALO was once like you.

    c. In the next verse, they turn to the Gentiles.

    Acts 13:46  Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

    Why?

    47  For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

    And the Gentiles:

    48  And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

    d. Because: Read carefully!

    Galatians 2:7  But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

    8  (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

    9  And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

    See? If James, Cephas/Peter, and John, perceived the grace that was given to Paul, that they gave the right hands of fellowship to him and Barnabas, to go unto the heathen:

    how dare you accuse Paul of being the antichrist? Are you greater than these three apostles? MAHIYA KA NAMAN!

    Peter even wrote about it in 2 Peter 3:15-16. Are you now also against Peter?

    e. And the Corinthians were GENTILES, weren’t they? So there is nothing wrong for Paul to say that:

    1 Corinthians 9:2  If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.

    You are just BIAS AND MALICIOUS!

  38. jet says:

    30 ADVENTIST777,

    1. You said, “Was paul not a liar? Remember he was accused of Lying but he denied it many times even swore in the name of heavens by calling God the father and holy spirit as witnesses (disobeying Jesus) , who accused him of lying? ARE YOU NOT YET INFORM OF HIS LIE? ”

    a. Paul wrote:

    Romans 3:4  God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

    EVERY MAN IS. That includes you. TUTOL KA? Eh sa pagbabasa nga lang ng mga posts mo NAPAKARAMING KASINUNGALINGAN na ang pinagsasabi mo! You even lied about your name.

    Are you also against Peter, when he wrote about Christ?

    1 Peter 2:22  Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

    b. Just because he was accused ot LYING, he is already THE ANTICHRIST? Notice what the apostle John wrote:

    1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

    This liar, DENIETH that Jesus is the Christ. Did Paul ever deny the Father and the Son? NO!

    1 Corinthians 1:3 Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

    If I just accuse you of LYING by hiding your true color like a CHAMELEON by changing your name – which I have proven, and you have confirmed also – DOES THAT MAKE YOU AN ANTICHRIST ALSO?

    BALUKTOT YANG LOGIC MO! MAHIYA KA NAMAN!

    c. According to the apostle John:

    1 John 5:9  If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

    …The witness of God is greater. There is nothing wrong for Paul, who is an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of the Father (2 Cor 1:1), to do that because:

    1 Corinthians 4:3  But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged of you, or of man’s judgment: yea, I judge not mine own self.
    4  For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

    …He that judgeth him is the Lord.

    d. Prove that he lied about the gospel and the bible will prove you wrong.

  39. jet says:

    30 ADVENTIST777,

    1. You asked, “A deceiver is a master of words, He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing, He posesses a silver tonque AND mighty pen. BUT HE CANNOT HIDE HIS REALITY to “OTHERS”. Did he not deny Jesus in essence by not obeying him ? or contradicting his statement? DID HE NOT BETRAY JESUS IN SPIRIT? do you still remember when i showed you, HOW HE UNKNOWINGLY OMITTED THE VERY FIRST COMMANDMENT? ”

    Yah, somewhat like you – in essence, in spirit, under the spell, etc…ALL INVENTIONS!

    In essence TO YOU – YES. But according to the bible – NO! Contradicting to those who do not understand LIKE YOU – YES. But unto the wise – NO! Betray in spirit TO YOU – YES! But unto the gentiles who were glad to hear and believed – NO!

    You see, you already accused Paul of being a liar. Now you are saying that he UNKNOWINGLY OMMITTED something. Only a FOOL will believe you. I have also showed you from the bible itself that he did not. You just do not understand what he wrote, just as you do not understand what the Lord Jesus Christ said.

  40. jet says:

    30 ADVENTIST777,

    1. You said, “After proving that he is indeed a “father” to those whom he converted clearly shows that Paul is aspiring to an office that can be legitimately occupied only by God.”

    a. To SDAC people, yes you have proven. But barely to us. It clearly shows that way to you EVEN though:

    2 Corinthians 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    No wonder because:

    2 Corinthians 11:14  And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

    Peter called him beloved brother (2 Pet 3:15-16). Ananias addressed him as brother (Acts 9:17). Luke wrote the book of Acts, didn’t he?

    Are you against all these people also? SHAME ON YOU, if you say YES!

    b. He never was aspiring that. He was even persecuting against the church, which is at Jerusalem.

    Acts 8:1  ¶And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judaea and Samaria, except the apostles.

    Galatians 1:13  For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews’ religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

    Galatians 1:23  But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preacheth the faith which once he destroyed.

    2. You said, “Paul looked at himself as above others as regards to his relationship to God, He labored more than OTHERS, He walked uprightly than OTHERS etc. etc. He considered his words as the words of God. He saw himself as the perfection of Christ and thus urged his followers to IMITATE HIM.”

    About these MALICIOUS ALLEGATIONS of yours, I believe Bro. Eli has already answered it very clearly to those who understand. I could not make it any clearer than that.

    http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/paul-labored-more-abundantly-than-the-other-apostles/

    3. You said, “THIS ACCUSATION is not baseless, as a matter of scriptures it can be found from his pen as clearly stated above and in the other passages. HE IN HIS OWN WORDS reveals about HIMSELF.”

    Maybe a matter of scriptures – WHICH NONE OF THE WICKED SHALL UNDERSTAND.

    Daniel 12:10  Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

    …which the UNLEARNED AND UNSTABLE WREST.

    2 Peter 3:16  As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    YOU REALLY ARE WHAT YOU ACCUSE PAUL OF!

  41. jet says:

    30 ADVENTIST777,

    1. You said, “DO YOU FOLLOW JET and do you understand? Can you see now that Paul’s christ is not the real JESUS? ”

    I do not ever want to follow your malicious allegations. I can see however that you are one of those mentioned by the apostle Peter as the unlearned and the unstable who wrest those things which are hard to be understood spoken of Paul.

    2 Peter 3:15  And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
    16  As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

  42. jet says:

    30 ADVENTIST777,

    1. You said, “FROM THE ABOVE understanding of yours, proves that you are still a BABE in terms of spiritual maturity, why? , you are still living in letters as if the letters are just letters.”

    I maybe a babe, but you are FETUS! On the other hand:

    Matthew 11:25  ¶At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

    I wonder who’s talking now.

    2. You said, “I cannot even compare you to Tony Santos in terms of Knowledge, how much more to the level of wisdom of bro. EYES? ”

    Neither will I compare myself to a brother, because:

    Philippians 2:3  Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves.

    Your bro. EYES’ wisdom? Well, the bible has this to say to it:

    James 3:15  This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.

    …of this world:

    1 Corinthians 2:6  ¶Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

    It will be brought to nothing:

    1 Corinthians 1:19  For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

    3. You said, “to the moderators: Kindly allow this message of mine to be posted for Truth’s sake so that our fruitful discussion can continue. Thank you! God is watching!”

    I say, why not create your own blog site and invite us there. However, if you will again be doing there what you are accusing us here of, like you were deceiving many people when you accuse Paul of it, we might be compelled to just answer your MALICIOUS ACCUSATIONS from here.

    MAHIYA KA NAMAN ADVENTISTA!

  43. master MOON RAVEN says:

    JET “The Fighter” plane in MCGI,

    St. peter never call Paul of tarsus as father because they know the truth.

    and don’t talk too much about paul of tarsus mr. jet because you still in progress to know the truth.

    and do you know the truth.

    and the truth is…….

    the existing of paul of tarsus is made to show the reality of the words spoken by our MASTER LORD Jesus Christ whether it is good or bad so that the reader will understand and believe.

    example:

    “I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.”

    ” For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.”

    “Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.”

    That is a showcase of :

    “But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.”

    “And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.”

    so that you as mr. jet will understand (reading & comprehension )

    that literal is literal but if you will take it as a being then that’s was a time you break the law.

    UNDERSTAND!!! (you are still too young my dear!)

    master MOON RAVEN

  44. Rosenthal says:

    MR JET,

    I, too cannot accept the malicious accusation of Mr. Adventist! but many of his articles cannot be considered as a lame argument.

    FOR HEAVEN’ SAKE HOW CAN PAUL BE THE ANTI-CHRIST? He worked hard in the name of Jesus. He strengthened the Deity of Jesus christ.

    But as a christian we are instructed to love our enemy and not to curse them, we are instructed to be wise but harmless like a dove. let us give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.

    Anyway as I lamentably read your exchanges, I remember Bro. eli generally concluding that dogs are color blind but what if there’s a dog who can see the color of the rainbow?

    Although it’s really hard to accept especially us believers the revelation of Mr. Adventist about Paul as the wolf in sheep’s clothing, truly it is unimaginable as color to the Dogs, but what if He’s right, I noticed too that many things attributed to st. paul came from his own pen if not from his disciples what if Mr. adventist belong to those few people who can see the crack in the chair which is unnoticeable to us ? What shall we do then?

    You said Mr. Adventist is a deceiver, who uses many names including yours, what if that actions is only a necessity on his part due to the fact that he cannot post using his username? If he is right and the culprit is behind the curtain then you in a way, misrepresented him!

    To refine lie as to resemble truth is a serpentine effort!

    God bless!

  45. EYES says:

    Sis Noreen,

    Are you the same EYES who commented in the previous post,

    or do we have a new pair of EYES in this blog?

    Why be disgusted if it is true?

    Puri sa dapat papurihan!

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    We are one with Brother Eli, he is my elder brother in our church.

    If I will exalt him then it same that I will exalt also myself.

    It is enough that I will mention his name like “as what brother eli said” and more than that is we are bound by a humble principle by our lord Jesus Christ.

    The same principle also that we don’t need to write at the end of our letter like “Glory be to GOD” because the fact that you are writing about him then your heart is belong to him.

    look at what happen: non believers use it instead of “Glory be to God” they replace it to “Glory be to the leader”

    There is no such thing as good as being simple.

    as quoted:

    “speak softly and carry a big stick” by FDR

    “speak softly and carry a sharp twoedged sword” by EYES

    Let master MOON RAVEN exalt brother Eli because his character in this blog is not yet a member of MCGI-cebu.

    and this is an another fulfillment of:

    “Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.”

    EYES

  46. Just for the Sake of Argument (JSA) says:

    re: #24

    with my observation, i can guess that this is the same guy who uses the name “EYES” and also “MASTER MOON RAVEN” … and it just shows how IGNORANT he is about the bible.

    his impulse drives him to be disgusted, for no sane reasons.

    he even misused a citation of the Bible and he wrote:

    Why callest thou me HUMBLE? there is none HUMBLE but one, that is, God:

    wherein there is no such account in the Bible that match this claim, but rather … the word used is “GOOD” and not “HUMBLE”

    the accounts can be read in MARK 10:18 and LUKE 18:19

    even we are to compare popular english translations, there’s no such version that uses “HUMBLE” as a substitute word for “GOOD”.

    therefore, this guy is disgusted without sane reasons, nor biblical reasons!

    it’s been obvious to me earlier even in the edebate section of this blog, that’s why i am always contending not to inculpate him further.

    i just can’t fight pulling hairs with a bald-headed person.

  47. jet says:

    43 master bitter more gravy,

    1. You said, “St. peter never call Paul of tarsus as father because they know the truth.”

    Yah, so do Paul. That is what Peter said in 2 Peter 3:15-16, which you do not accept.

    In turn, not only that you do not believe Paul, but also Peter. And not only that, but also John. Do you also accuse John of the same allegations that you accuse Paul of?

    Did John also intend that the early christians call him ‘FATHER’ when he addressed them as HIS LITTLE CHILDREN, HIS CHILDREN? Is John also an ANTICHRIST?

    As an unsolicited anvice, drink more coffee so you’ll fell nervous everytime you spread your LAGIM to people in accusing Paul to be the ANTICHRIST.

    2. You said, “and don’t talk too much about paul of tarsus mr. jet because you still in progress to know the truth.”

    You are not only UNBIBLICAL, but also UNCONSTITUTIONAL! Who are you to say that I don’t talk too much about Paul? Do you want me to talk less about him? Why? So that your lies will shine? God forbid!

    Read again!

  48. master MOON RAVEN says:

    Just for the Sake of Argument (JSA),

    what is humble? it is good of being humble or bad?

    can you give me your sane or logical reasons?

    I think you are another one babes who cry in the cradle.

    master MOON RAVEN

  49. master MOON RAVEN says:

    Jet,

    1 John 2:1 ¶My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

    You ask that verse?

    it is only a fulfillment of this:

    “So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs”

    The lambs there is treated a children or immature in the fellowship.

    master MOON RAVEN

  50. jet says:

    44 MS ROSENTHAL,

    1. You mentioned about loving our enemy and not to curse them. Notice the verse that you are saying:

    Matthew 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

    …YOUR enemies. If we ought to be christians, OUR enemies. And NOT GOD’s, right?

    a. You know, Paul never forgot to admonish early christians regarding that.

    Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

    I have never challenged any of these people into a FIST FIGHT, have I? What I am against of are the things that they are saying.

    b. Remember what Jesus said:

    Matthew 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

    Emphatically, rejecting someone sent by God is tantamount to rejecting God also, right? Now when one rejects God, doesn’t he become God’s enemy or not?

    Now, according to the bible, Paul is an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of the God. On the other hand, when someone accuse him of being the antichrist. What do you think have they become? Moreover, if you love God’s enemy, what have you become also? God’s enemy also, right?

    c. Now, the bible has these to ask:

    2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
    15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

    Is there any FELLOWSHIP between them? I hope you can also answer, ‘NONE’!

    c. Instead, the early christians in the bible were called by God unto the FELLOWSHIP of His Son Jesus.

    1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

    But where?

    1 Corinthians 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
    …THE CHURCH OF GOD.

    Now, is this one of the reasons why these people are accusing Paul of being the antichrist? Maybe so, because they have INVENTED THEIR OWN CHURCH, which is nowhere close to that which is in the bible – SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH.

    See? If you will take the accounts of MR SCOTT FOGG in this site:

    http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/06/30/are-we-being-pretentious-who-cares/

    (as foggy as his surname is), you will notice that THEY (FOUNDERS OF THE CHURCH, according to him) STRUGGLED, CONTEMPLATED, AND DECIDED about a NAME of THEIR (imagine THEIR) NEWLY-FOUNDED CHURCH.

    Remember:

    Psalms 127:1 <> Except the LORD build the house, they labour in vain that build it: except the LORD keep the city, the watchman waketh but in vain.

    THEY LABOURED AND WAKED IN VAIN!

    Now, is this church of God? NO! Are you going to love their doctrines, too? It is up for you to DECIDE. I have already did. And I decided NO!

    d. So was Paul wrong to have written:

    Galatians 1:8  But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

    No!

  51. jet says:

    44 ROSENTHAL,

    2. You also mentioned something about dogs.

    a. As far as I know, Paul also never forgot to warn early christians in the bible regarding them.

    Philippians 3:2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the concision.

    b. And who are these dogs?

    Isaiah 56:11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

    …GREEDY, CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH, CANNOT UNDERSTAND. I just wonder how can any of them see the colors of the rainbow, when dogs are generally color-blind.

    They tell their members to GIVE TITHES – citing the very famous, MALACHI 3:10 – while ignoring that this commandment was given for all ISRAEL according to 4:4 of the same book.

    If not, they will frighten them of robbing their god. But which god really? According to the bible:

    Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

    …THEIR BELLY!

    Now, is this the reason why they are so much against Paul? Well, maybe so! Because, according to the bible, the SONS OF LEVI had a commandment to TAKE TITHES of the people (HEB 7:5) – and not these GREEDY DOGS. But there was a need of the law (HEB 7:12). And the law among christians is:

    2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

    …CHEERFUL GIVER – not a FRIGHTENED TITHER!

    This must really be one of the reasons why they accuse Paul of being the antichrist.

  52. jet says:

    44 ROSENTHAL,

    3. I also noticed that you frequently asked questions like, ‘WHAT IF’ and ‘IF’.

    a. I must say that it is up for you to DECIDE wether who is telling the truth or not according to the bible. You have your own freewill – unlike what some people say that everybody doesn’t.

    I have already did. And I believe that Paul is not as what they accuse him of, ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE.

    These people just do not understand what he (Paul, whom they do not believe in) wrote. No wonder why, because, they do not understand what the Lord Jesus Christ (whom they say they believe in – though I doubt it) said.

    b. Upon pondering, let the people be the jury basing from the bible. And moreover:

    1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

    c. You also mentioned the phrase, ‘the revelation of Mr. Adventist about Paul’. I should say that this is just one of his BASELESS HALLUCINATIONS AND MALICIOUS ACCUSATIONS.

  53. master MOON RAVEN says:

    JET,

    Let us investigate: ( the first century drama )

    ” For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.”

    “For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ”? ——————— to whom he address this passage…… I think this is for James, Cephas, and John.

    and why he can write it? I think there is a competition.

    “have ye not many fathers:” — who is the father

    for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel

    why begotten? who is the owner of the gospel?

    “For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.”

    The gospel is came from the FATHER in heaven and the only authority on it is the only begotten son of the FATHER in heaven and that is our MASTER LORD Jesus Christ

    “And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day.”

    — what about next day?

    And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.

    why, is there is possibility that you don’t have always conscience?

    why exercising to have always conscience, brother EYES said that conscience is an image of GOD in all human kind and our MASTER LORD Jesus Christ bring the word from the FATHER in heaven so that the conscience which is under attack by bad conscious will converted into love so that we will be as gods.

    to be continued to our part 2…………..

    master MOON RAVEN

  54. jet says:

    44 ROSENTHAL,

    1. You also said, “To refine lie as to resemble truth is a serpentine effort!”

    Serpentine? What serpent? Maybe this:

    2 Corinthians 11:14  And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
    15  Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

    Yes!

    John 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    …the father of it!

    2. You also said, “let us give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being.”

    Well, I just cannot sit here and do nothing while these people are causing havock and confusion aroung this blog.

    James 4:17  Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

  55. nancy says:

    “May the Good Lord Bless and Keep You now that You’re far away. May the Good Bless and Keep You till we meet again.”

  56. EYES says:

    TO: MOON RAVEN, ADVENTIST777, and WILLIAM

    you wrote: #43

    “I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.”

    ” For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel.”

    “Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.”

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Brothers, you don’t understand St. Paul, did you remember that ABRAHAM is called the father of many nations.

    It’s the same principles also applied to St. Paul with regards to TIMOTHY.

    to brother JSA don’t judge your brethren by guessing, so that you will not be judge by guessing also.

    to MOON RAVEN next time don’t use my name at the end of your writings and don’t use our song #60 in your writings because your song#60 is pirated.

    EYES

  57. Knight says:

    say, why not create your own blog site and invite us there. However, if you will again be doing there what you are accusing us here of, like you were deceiving many people when you accuse Paul of it, we might be compelled to just answer your MALICIOUS ACCUSATIONS from here.

    **

    jet brother, I think your above statement is wrong, Are you implying indirectly that our blog is UNFAIR? We invited them here, are we indirectly throwing them out? NO no no!

    Your intention created a malicious thought even I noticed it. We can defend our faith under any circumstances, day and night, through thin and think, smooth and rough and that I learned from bro. eli.

    To Adventist777,

    Bro. eli is not unfair, You falsely accused him of something without evidences of any kind So please stop your non-sense accusations.

  58. Rosenthal says:

    Mr. Jet,

    By following the arguments and thoughts of Mr. Adventist777 on his long exchanges against Mr. Tony Santos and others, convincingly proved that He is not a member of SDAC. Why can’t you see the OBVIOUS? I know you’re not blind of the SDAC theology or dogmas, Are they against St. Paul ? NO! then why are you keep on attacking the SDAC as a whole? are you sure that Mr. Adventist is a member of that church? How sure are you? 100% or 0.1 % only?

    While in reality the entire SDAC are quiet.

    What if I use a name like “I am MR. ADD777″ , and I praised ADD all the time while talking against the ADVENTIST CHURCH, Am I an ADD member in real-life automatically? YOu should be very careful in looking at things, There is a need for us- christian to be broadminded in analyzing every bit of details pointed on us, not only a bit of it.

    So as I lamentably read your personal attack to the SDAC as a whole, there is nothing I can do but to speak here so I can open your eyes to the OBVIOUS truth that you are unable to see. Intuitively speaking, Mr. ADventist777 is not one of them (SDAC).

    He is more of Judaic-christian faith than SDAC. He is faithful to the LAW. There are still faction of this sect today in Palestine, Lebanon and neighboring areas. Their attire looked like the muslims but they are christians in faith and actions, they believe in Jesus and not in Mohammad, they are one of the oldest christian in history , probably of Petrine branch.

    To you Mr. ADventist, If you are not a SDAC member, your action is an example of Serpentine effort. and I hope we have the same definition of the word “serpent” if not then there is nothing I can say.

    To you Mr. Jet If Mr. Adventist is correct that He is misrepresented here, then your accusation against him is a serpentine effort on your part, that is if you are aware that there is truly unfavorable action bestowed on him.

    why?

    ” to refine a lie to resemble truth is a serpentine effort.

    I am not in a position to judge any of you, Im just looking at things in two possible scenario.

    If Mr. adventist has its own reasons for doing his things then let him do it, it’s his life.

    If you have you own reason to do your things then do it, it’s your life.

    Is it fair enough?

  59. jet says:

    49 master bitter more gravy,

    Unfortunately, my question was not answered. You see, MR ADVENTIST again, misrepresented someone else. In this case. the innocent, Noreen M. Ocampo.

    In that post he said,

    “If He called Timothy as HIS OWN SON , it logically follows that HE IS the FATHER in FAITH of TIMOTHY, Is he not? because he hath converted Timothy to Christ. ”

    1. So my question was relative to his. Let me repeat it.

    “When the apostle John addressed the early christians to whom he was writting to as HIS LITTLE CHILDREN, does it also logically follow that HE IS THE FATHER IN FAITH OF ALL OF THEM?”

    But your reply barely answered it. I was not asking if it is a fulfillment or not, of what or which.

    2. My next question will be:

    Are adventists also accusing the apostle John to be an ANTICHRIST like Paul – for the same ground? Or are they just BIAS AGAINST PAUL, because their interpretation of Daniel 7 will self-destruct?

    ANSWER, ADVENTISTS! ANSWER!

  60. Norbit says:

    jet, if you dont mind , can I test your knowledge in the Bible?

    What is the nationality of St. Paul?

    Thank you and God bless!

  61. Norbit says:

    Jet, what is his origin? a jew? a greek? or what?

    so my questions are: what is his origin and what is his nationality?

    Thanks again!

  62. jet says:

    53 master bitter more gravy,

    1. You said, “Let us investigate: ( the first century drama )”

    Ha? What drama? This is just another INVENTION – just like your ‘puppet pulling strings’. :)

    2. You said, ““For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ”? ——————— to whom he address this passage…… I think this is for James, Cephas, and John. and why he can write it? I think there is a competition.”

    That is just what YOU and YOUR COHORTS THINK – not what these people whom you mentioned did.

    Galatians 2:9  And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

    Is this really competition – perceving the grace that was given to him, they GAVE to them the right hands of fellowship?

    3. You asked, “have ye not many fathers:” — who is the father

    a. Did he say, “have ye NO OTHER father, but me”? NO! Instead he said, ‘NOT MANY’. Does it not mean, ‘FEW’?

    b. Will you not accept that Abraham was also their father?

    Genesis 17:5  Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

    c. Are you also against the apostle James – like Peter, Ananias, among others – when he said:

    James 2:21  Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

    d. Just because of that, Paul became an antichrist already to you? NAPAKABINTANGERO NYO TALAGA, OO!

    c. How about OF THE SONS OF LEVI?

    Hebrews 7:5  And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

    …OUT OF THE LOINS OF ABRAHAM.

    TUTOL KA RIN?

    4. You asked, “for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel
    why begotten? who is the owner of the gospel?”

    Why not? There is nothing wrong with that because he said:

    Galatians 1:11  But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
    12  For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

    …not after man…neither of man…but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

    5. You also said, ““And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all good conscience before God until this day.”
    — what about next day?
    And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void of offence toward God, and toward men.
    why, is there is possibility that you don’t have always conscience?”

    Ha? You really do not understand. DO NOT OMIT the DESCRIPTIONS of the CONSCIENCE that Paul was saying.

    …GOOD BEFORE GOD.
    …VOID OF OFFENCE TOWARD GOD, AND TOWARD MEN.

    DOES EVERYONE HAVE THAT KIND OF CONSCIENCE?

    SAGOT MGA ADVENTISTA BINTANGERO! MERON BA KAYO NYAN? Eh toward men lang, BAGSAK na KAYO eh!

    This is what the aposle Peter has to say:

    1 Peter 3:16  ¶Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

    …GOOD CONSCIENCE – like Paul had.
    …FALSELY ACCUSE – TULAD NG GINAGAWA NYO!
    …BE ASHAMED – MAHIYA NAMAN KAYO!

    Are you blind? What is wrong with your eyes?

    2 Corinthians 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    BULAG!

    6. You said, “brother EYES said that conscience is an image of GOD in all human kind ”

    He just said that – MAYBE UNCONSCIOUSLY! Where is that written? In your unconscious mind?

    But according to the bible, is that really so? IMBENTO NA NAMAN ITO AS USUAL!

  63. jet says:

    57 KNIGHT,

    You said, “jet brother, I think your above statement is wrong, Are you implying indirectly that our blog is UNFAIR? We invited them here, are we indirectly throwing them out? NO no no!”

    Brother, thanks for your comment. I am sorry if I have offended you. Please forgive me. But I did not mean to say it like that.

    You see, these people have long been accusing the blog team of not posting their comments, even accusing me of the same thing, when I, myself, do not even know how to create my own blog. So how can I not post their comments.

    I said that just to give them another alternative, instead of them, using the names of others, including mine.

    But never did I imply that our blog is unfair. As a matter of fact, I also have other posts which were not posted, especially during the heated discussions with INC members, when my blood pressure really rose up. So, I think it is just FAIR.

    What I meant to say is that, if they have comments that were not posted, so do I. So, it is just fair, I think.

    Correct me if I am wrong, brother.

  64. jet says:

    60 – 61 Norbit,

    You said, “on 15 Aug 2007 at 2:07 am60 Norbit
    jet, if you dont mind , can I test your knowledge in the Bible?
    What is the nationality of St. Paul?
    Thank you and God bless!
    on 15 Aug 2007 at 2:13 am61 Norbit
    Jet, what is his origin? a jew? a greek? or what?
    so my questions are: what is his origin and what is his nationality?
    Thanks again!”

    Maybe, before I answer your question about Paul’s origin, etc…, I would like to know what this has to do with the current discussion?

    Hmm, why test my knowledge in the bible? I mean what is your point? – if I may know. Just to test my knowledge? To tell you frankly, I am nobody.

    Thanks also and you’re welcome.

  65. jet says:

    57 KNIGHT,

    And also, brother, in addition, I hope you won’t get me wrong. I am not complaining if my other comments were not posted.

    Maybe for reasons that I was already saying words which were not too nice, that was why. But I am not blame the moderator or anybody for that matter.

    I just thought to myself, that maybe, they are just trying to save me from commiting not so good things. And I should thank them for that.

    I hope I have made myself clear enough, brother. And again, please forgive if I have offended you.

  66. jet says:

    58 Rosenthal,

    All I can say for now is, thanks for your information and opinion. You are also entitled to it.

    But whatever MR ADVENTIST is, I just think that using someone else’s name is not right. I also just believe that accusing Paul of being the antichrist is also not right. And also, I just think that accusing someone like me, of things that they have not done is not right – most especially, if all of these was FALSELY ACCUSED!

  67. Rosenthal says:

    MR. JET,

    In my opinon, He will not accuse Apostle John, because St. John is one of their Pillar, the enemy of “Judaic Christians” is Paul.

    There are two friendly faction of “Judaic christians” in the 1st century.

    1. Judaic christians of James – the lord’s brother. James the brother of the Lord was a disciple of John the baptist.

    James is well-known for his humility. And He is probably the “teacher of righteousness” in the dead sea scrolls.

    2. Judaic christians of Peter or Petrine Branch.

    Peter is the leader and the pillars are those apostles of Jesus like st. JOhn. Peter is well known for being a conservative leader, faithful to the LAW.

    They have their OWN NEW TESTAMENT without any traces of Paul’ doctrines.

    Most of the Pillars of Judaic christians were illiterate

    VERSUS

    Pauline christians headed by St. Paul with his pillars like Timothy and others.

    St. Paul is well-known for his argumentative nature, He is a master of inner aspect of Pharisaism. A wise man, excelled in his early studies, beyond all his peers.

    At first “Judaic Christians” and Paul live in harmony but later Paul separated due to irreconcialable differences in dogmas and traditions such as the issue in circumcision, dietary laws, manner of worship and many others, then Paul started his own faction – the Pauline Christians.

    ** they were not automatically called as “christians” during those time but only later

  68. Norbit says:

    Your topic is st. Paul so I am eager to know more or discover many biblical truths about him including his personality, origin, nationality and many more, I want to know his life based on the sacred book. You were the first one I asked because I saw a lot of your citation focusing on him, but you refused to answer my questions, its OK Thanks anyway!

    TO: Mr/Ms. Rosenthal, Can you tell me the origin of St. Paul? his nationality? siblings? wife?

    TO: Mr. Adventist, Can you tell me the origin of St. Paul? his nationality? siblings? wife?

    TO: Master MOON RAVEN, Can you tell me the origin of St. Paul? his nationality? siblings? wife?

    TO: Knight, Can you tell me the origin of St. Paul? his nationality? siblings? wife?

    thanks!

  69. jet says:

    67 MS ROSENTHAL,

    1. You said, “In my opinon, He will not accuse Apostle John, because St. John is one of their Pillar, the enemy of “Judaic Christians” is Paul. ”

    Thanks again for your opinion. You are also entitled to it just like me, I believe.

    But I think, they have a bias against Paul. They accuse him of being the antichrist because they say that he was the father or wanting the brethrens to call him father when he called timothy HIS OWN SON, when relatively, John himself, called the early christians, as HIS LITTLE CHILDREN.

    Was he also intending the brethrens to call him father? I believe not. Because the former, like the latter, knew the prohibition of Jesus Christ – unlike what they falsely accuse of the former.

    2. You mentioned the first faction: Judaic christians of James – the lord’s brother. James the brother of the Lord was a disciple of John the baptist.

    You see, James in his writings, mentioned this thing:

    James 2:21  Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

    So, granting for a while, without accepting, that Paul was transgressing the prohibition of Jesus Christ, are they also against Abraham who were also the father of the brethrens, whom James was writing to?

    I have not heard them of them spoke against Abraham. So, aren’t they just bias against Paul?

    3. You also mentioned about the second faction: Judaic christians of Peter or Petrine Branch. Peter is the leader and the pillars are those apostles of Jesus like st. JOhn. Peter is well known for being a conservative leader, faithful to the LAW. They have their OWN NEW TESTAMENT without any traces of Paul’ doctrines.

    You see, Peter mentioned about Paul in his writings – even calling him beloved brother.

    2 Peter 3:15  And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
    16  As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    But they are denying this thing, saying that this was just added by people whom they coined as Pauline(which is again another invention).

    Paul in one of his writings also mentioned about Peter – which was among the three who seemed to be pillars (including James, and John):

    Galatians 2:9  And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

    4. You said, “Most of the Pillars of Judaic christians were illiterate VERSUS Pauline christians headed by St. Paul with his pillars like Timothy and others.”

    You know, these people are just creating a feud against Paul, Peter, etc… When in reality, there was really none. In tagalog, one may term it as, ‘PINAG-SABONG’ (sabong-cockfight).

    They just misunderstood the incident in the book of Galations (2:11 onwards), when Paul withstood Peter to the face. For a brother with a good conscience, there was nothing wrong about that. He was just correcting his brothers when they walked not uprightly.

    These people complain, ”but why before many?” I ask, why not? Do they prefer ‘TALIKURAN’ or murmuring to some while others have turned their back already?; when not everyone can hear you?. I say, HOW CAN ‘CHRISTIANS SALUTE ONE ANOTHER WITH A HOLY KISS’, if they do ‘TALIKURAN’?

    I saw it in another way – love for a brother. When you see one commits mistakes, correct him – if one should really ought to be a brother also, why not?

    Did Peter ever complained about what Paul did? I have not read of any. If you have, please tell me – as a brotherly love for me also.

    Instead Peter called him beloved brother. And for me, that is enough – unlike these people who MALICIOUSLY and FALSELY ACCUSE maybe just about everyone – just like me.

    5. You said, “St. Paul is well-known for his argumentative nature, He is a master of inner aspect of Pharisaism. A wise man, excelled in his early studies, beyond all his peers.
    At first “Judaic Christians” and Paul live in harmony but later Paul separated due to irreconcialable differences in dogmas and traditions such as the issue in circumcision, dietary laws, manner of worship and many others, then Paul started his own faction – the Pauline Christians.
    ** they were not automatically called as “christians” during those time but only later”

    a. Argumentative nature? How about the martyr Stephen (Acts 7)? Wasn’t he also disputing people which were in the synagogue to the point of him being stoned to death? Are they also against him?

    b. Irreconcilable differences? Maybe only to these people who do not understand (2 Pet 3:15-16).

    c. Started his own faction? Was the Paul the one who coined it as Pauline Christians? Or only these people invented it? As far as I know, it was God who called the brethrens.

    1 Corinthians 1:9  God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Luke was with him. Was he also against Peter?

    d. Only later? When is that later?

    Acts 11:26  And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

    Examining the verse, wasn’t it after these people assembled and were taught? I do not see anything wrong about that, because:

    Romans 10:17  So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

    You see, this thing really separates the CHRISTIANS IN THE BIBLE, from these self-professed BORN – AGAIN CHRISTIANS nowadays, wherein they will just raise their hands up, and say that they accept the Lord Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and saviour – and at the same time, wearing gold earrings, bracelets, make-ups, etc…

    In the bible, before you are even baptized, you must undergo certain things first. And I just do not see anything wrong with that.

  70. Rosenthal says:

    Mr, jet, thank your for the appreciation! Truly, we are all entitled to our opinions, One thing I admire with brother eli is
    his effort to look at things in an ecclectic scenario using logic, history, science and the Bible in order to solve many issues
    concerning our salvation. In other words, He approach things broadmindedly.

    I think everyone including you and me wants to imbibe the character of brother eli. I agree with Mr. knight when he said that Brother eli is humble than st. paul. in character, Mr. knight’ statement of faith is not malicious nor baseless. I THINK EVERYONE ALSO IS ENTITLED TO SHOW HIS STATEMENT OF FAITH LIKE WHAT MR. KNIGHT DID! it is an error on our part to prohibit him in exhibiting his love for his minister.

    True, using other names is a serpentine effort, particularly if the sole purpose is to hide his identiy while decieving people but if his intention is PURE, nor he is just oblige to use other
    names then it is another thing, the purity of that intention superceded the serpentine effort, well, who am I to say something about it? let our lord decide for that matter.

    Mr. Jet, f Mr. 777 is a deceiver,then he is of good quality in the domain of deception, because He deceived you on his own true identity being not part of SDAC. The first time I saw him protecting the LAW, standing on his ground up to the end prove that he belong to the very first “christian” in history, those “christians” who are faithful to the LAW.- JUDAIC CHRISTIANS.

    To Mr. 777 Am i right? speak for yourself! If you deny this truth then you are a liar! because ONLY Judaic christians
    are faithful to the law (and the JEWS-Judaism of course). Your belief in Jesus is a solid proof that you are not a JEW.

    The issue about Judaic christians and Pauline christians can be traced back in the bible, so it is true that the Bible is our final answer concerning all the malady in this world including the accusation of Mr. 777 from my research historically and biblically after Jesus death first century christianty begun to emerge through the leadership of Peter, John, james the apostle and others. St. Paul was entrusted to the gentile but Paul in Gal.1:1 and II cor. 3:1 stated that his apostleship came directly from Jesus christ, in other words, the apostle in Jerusalem has no order of authority towards him. The Jerusalem church wanted to resolve the crisis between James and Paul, James was unhappy about Paul’s theology that the gentile believers were not subject to the law (James 2:10 & Galatian 5:1) . And so the clashes between them started. In Galatian 2:6 St. Paul uttered the following statement “who “seemed to be something” James is included on those ” seeming to be important confered nothing to me”. In Romans 14:1 and Romans 14:21 Paul mention of “who is being weak in faith” “or is made weak” weaker brothers included James also , & the words of paul about “weak in faith” is offensive to James especially when Paul aligned his thought with Romans 4:19.

    When James made a judgment on the extent to which the non- Jewish believers were required to keep the law, SOME REQUIREMENTS are listed in ACTS 15:29

    While Paul in Galatian 2: 10 did not mention anything except “only they asked that we remember the poor”.

    Let us hear brother eli to give us the truth in this regards! thank you and God bless

  71. master MOON RAVEN says:

    jet,

    There is only one creator of heaven and earth and that is our FATHER in heaven.

    There is only one begotten son and that is our MASTER LORD Jesus CHrist.

    There is only father of many nation and that is ABRAHAM.

    you can be called children or sons but don’t call yourself as father.

    “yet have ye not many FATHERS”

    “for in Christ Jesus I have BEGOTTEN you through the gospel”

    MASTER LORD JESUS CHRIST called us children but never said that he begotten us or father.

    Abraham never called himself as father it’s GOD called him.

    John never callled himself that he begotten us or father.

    the word children there is a “young brother” or lamb.

    Try to filter the mixture of evil and good side of Paul of tarsus.

    Filter the evil side! because he mix it with good.

    To completely knockdown Paul of tarsus, here is the prophecy

    of the situation of church of christ in seven period of time.

    “I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them which are evil: and thou hast tried them which say they are APOSTLES, and ARE NOT, and hast found them LIARS:”

    “Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.” by Paul of Tarsus

    Paul why you are talking about LIE? did you lie?

    MASTER LORD Jesus Christ did not talk about “LIE” but rather “BELIEVE”

    and regarding to your statement below:

    “He just said that – MAYBE UNCONSCIOUSLY! Where is that written? In your unconscious mind?”

    You don’t undertand brother EYES as a whole , what his point
    that if you are the fulfillment of love you don’t need a bible anymore;

    because you are a walking bible already.

    “A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things:”

    “For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.:”

    and if you did not believe what he write, then no problem.

    remember, he did not mention on his writing that he did not lie but rather do you believe in this?

    Believest thou this? — by our MASTER LORD Jesus Christ

    I hope you’ve got the point my dearest brother.

    master MOON RAVEN

  72. jet says:

    71 master bitter more gravy,

    1. You said, “the word children there is a “young brother” or lamb.”

    Actually:

    G5040
    τεκνίον
    teknion
    tek-nee’-on
    Diminutive of G5043; an infant, that is, (plural figurative) darlings (Christian converts): – little children.

    G5043
    τέκνον
    teknon
    tek’-non
    From the base of G5098; a child (as produced): – child, daughter, son.

    …infant, darlings, child, daughter, SON. See?

    2. You said, “Paul why you are talking about LIE? did you lie?
    MASTER LORD Jesus Christ did not talk about “LIE” but rather “BELIEVE”

    a. Paul said:

    Romans 3:4  God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

    Wasn’t Paul, man? How about the other disciples like James, Peter (you should know what he once had done), etc…?

    b. But according to Peter about the Lord Jesus Christ:

    1 Peter 2:22  Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

    Is Jesus, just a mere man?

    c. BUT, about which things did Paul not lie BEFORE GOD – take not of that in BOLD?

    Galatians 1:20  Now the things which I write unto you, behold, before God, I lie not.

    …THE THINGS WHICH HE WROTE UNTO THE BRETHENS.

    I do not see anything wrong with that.

    3. You said, “You don’t undertand brother EYES as a whole , what his point that if you are the fulfillment of love you don’t need a bible anymore; because you are a walking bible already.”

    Ha? Where is that in the bible? This must be the reason why you are against Paul, because he said:

    1 Corinthians 4:6  And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

    …not above that which is written.

    1 Corinthians 14:37  If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

    …acknowledge the things that he wrote.

    b. John wrote:

    Revelation 1:3  ¶Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

    Aren’t you going to need the bible if we ought to keep the things therein?

    c. Isaiah said:

    Isaiah 34:16  Seek ye out of the book of the LORD, and read: no one of these shall fail, none shall want her mate: for my mouth it hath commanded, and his spirit it hath gathered them.

    Do you mean that all those who seek out of the book of the Lord and read are not the fulfillment of love? Because if one is the fulfillment of love, he no longer needs the bible?

    d. I thought you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ? He said:

    Matthew 24:35  Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

    Aren’t His words written in the bible? Are you not going to need the bible if indeed you are the fulfillment of love?

    e. According to the bible, he that is OF GOD, heareth God’s words.

    John 8:47  He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

    Aren’t God’s words in the bible? Aren’t you going to need the bible?

    f. Isn’t it that God is love, and love is of God?

    1 John 4:7  ¶Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
    8  He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

    If one really is the fulfillment of love, ONE WILL NEED THE BIBLE, because it contains God’s words, and His words shall not pass away.

    This is just another INVENTION! UNBIBLICAL!

    YABANG nalang siguro itong sayo!

  73. jet says:

    70 Ms. Rosenthal,

    1. You said, “St. Paul was entrusted to the gentile but Paul in Gal.1:1 and II cor. 3:1 stated that his apostleship came directly from Jesus christ, in other words, the apostle in Jerusalem has no order of authority towards him.”

    Actually I do not see anything wrong with it because:

    Acts 9:15  But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

    2. You said, “The Jerusalem church wanted to resolve the crisis between James and Paul, James was unhappy about Paul’s theology that the gentile believers were not subject to the law (James 2:10 & Galatian 5:1) . And so the clashes between them started.”

    a. I also do not see anything wrong with it. You mentioned James 2:10. If you will continue reading, you will find that:

    James 2:12  So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

    And also in the earlier chapter you will find that:

    James 1:25  But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

    b. Paul said the same thing. You cited Gal 5:1. If you will again continue reading, you will find that:

    Galatians 5:13  ¶For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

    c. Peter said the same thing.

    1 Peter 2:16  As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

    See? They were talking of the same thing – the law of liberty. Because:

    2 Corinthians 3:17  Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

  74. master MOON RAVEN says:

    JET,

    TOPIC: The examination of conscience of Paul of Tarsus.

    “And Paul, earnestly beholding the council, said, Men and brethren, I have lived in all GOOD CONSCIENCE BEFORE GOD UNTIL THIS DAY.”

    same also on this:

    “Now the things which I write unto you, behold, BEFORE GOD , I LIE NOT.”

    jet answer:

    DO NOT OMIT the DESCRIPTIONS of the CONSCIENCE that Paul was saying.

    …GOOD BEFORE GOD.
    …VOID OF OFFENCE TOWARD GOD, AND TOWARD MEN.

    master MOON answer: (Adventist777 already reveal this one)

    GOOD BEFORE GOD.?

    our MASTER LORD Jesus Christ said that

    “But I say unto you, SWEAR not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne:”

    “But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of EVIL.”

    why Paul of tarsus needs to swear? is there is a doubt of his surrounding? or he has something crime to be accomplish of?

    to be continued……………….

    master MOON RAVEN

  75. Knight says:

    TO: Knight, Can you tell me the origin of St. Paul? his nationality? siblings? wife?

    ***

    ” … born in Tarsus, a city of Cilicia” ( Acts 22: 3)

    Place of Birth: born in TARSUS

    “Circumcised the eight day of the stock of Israel of the TRIBE of BENJAMIN, a hebrew of the hebrew; as touching the law, a Pharisee” ( Phil. 3:5)

    Origin: Benjamin tribe.

    “Are they hebrews? so am I, ARe they Israelites? So am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? So am I ” ( II Cor. 11:22)

    He is a Hebrew, A Jew

    ” Is it lawful for you to scourge a man that is a Roman and uncondemned?.. take heed what thou doest ; for this man is a Roman” … Tell me, art thou a Roman? he said, Yeah. and the Chief captain answered , With great sum obtained I this freedom and Paul said, but I was freedom… and that He knew that he was a Roman” ( Acts 22: 25-29)

    Nationality: Roman citizen.

    “And when Paul sister’ son heard of their lying in wait, he went and entered into the castle and told Paul” ( Acts 23:16)

    Sibling : Sister
    1 Nephew

    There is no indication that Paul was ever married to a woman. He was bound to Christ the lord.

  76. anton says:

    if ever said against bro eli my only statement is the verse written in JOHN 9:25 He said in answer, I have no knowledge
    if he is a sinner or not, but one thing I am certain about; I was blind, and now I see.
    thanks be to God to giving us the oppurtunity to heard bro. eli teaching the pure words of God in the Bible

  77. Rosenthal says:

    Hi there,

    I am waiting for my post………….it was sent yesterday!
    In my screen it says: “waiting for moderation”

    perhaps you just missed it due to the fact that there are many posters in this blog , I understand!

    Hope to see it soon God bless!

    thank you!

  78. Knight says:

    Brother jet,

    We both understand that if one of your brother is wrong, we must correct him out of brotherly love just like what St. paul did in correcting st. Peter.

    you said: ” I saw it in another way – love for a brother. When you see one commits mistakes, correct him ”

    If you find out any wrong in my post , you are free also to correct me, and I will be glad because I know you action only shows your brotherly love towards me.

    Here is the fault in your understanding:

    James 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

    b. Paul said the same thing. You cited Gal 5:1. If you will again continue reading, you will find that:

    Galatians 5:13 ¶For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.

    >> They did not say the same thing brother jet, Pardon me but it’s true. I read it 5 times and I found out the real thing! Free to check it also brother!

    “Stand fast therefore in the liberty with which Christ made us free and do not again be held with the yoke of bondage” (Gal. 5:1)

    ….for beloved Paul the Law of Moses is a yoke of bondage

    “for whoever shall keep the whole law and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all for he who said” do not commit adultery” also said ” do not commit murder” but if you do not commit adultery , yet if you murder , you have become the transgressor of the law, So speak and do as those who shall be judge by the LAW of LIBERTY. ( James 2:10-12)

    ……for beloved James, the LAW of MOSES is the LAW of LIberty , a liberty experienced in submission.

    Thank you and God bless!

  79. EYES says:

    TO: brother anton,

    if ever said against bro eli my only statement is the verse written in JOHN 9:25 He said in answer, I have no knowledge

    if he is a sinner or not, but one thing I am certain about; I was blind, and now I see.

    >>>>>>>>>>

    me too.

    Ako ay nakakinig at ako ay namangha.
    Ako ay nagpadoktrina at nakita ko mabuti.
    At ako ay nagpabautismo dahil ako ay sumampalataya.

    TO: brother Jet

    You said, “You don’t undertand brother EYES as a whole , what his point that if you are the fulfillment of love you don’t need a bible anymore; because you are a walking bible already.”

    Ha? Where is that in the bible? This must be the reason why you are against Paul, because he said:

    >>>>>>>>>>>>

    as what our brother Eli sing in a certain bible exposition.

    ” I memorized every line……………”
    ” I kissed the pen that you signed…………..”
    “……………………………………………………….”
    ” Love letters straight from your heart………..”

    EYES

  80. Norbit says:

    To Knight,

    Thanks for the effor! but I dont think he’s a jew, He’s a Gentile!

    …………..that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the GENTILES that WE might recieve the promise of the spirit through faith ( Gal. 3:13-14)

    So by classifying himself with the gentiles (using the first person plural) his true identity is a gentile not a jew. He revealed his true identity.

    I am not your brother in faith like jet , but is it ok to correct you? If not, what can I do?

  81. Rosenthal says:

    To Master Moon Raven,

    Master MOON RAVEN, let me make this things very clear, I am not looking for any debate but I am open for discussion, most especially if the goal of sharing is fruitful & for the benifit of my soul, My observation tells me that You and Mr. William have comformities in “ideas”.
    *
    There is only one creator of heaven and earth and that is our FATHER in heaven.

    There is only one begotten son and that is our MASTER LORD Jesus CHrist.

    …… I did not found any words in my research of any Judaic Christian’ pillars who wanted to be called “Father” in faith by their “little children”.

    MASTER LORD JESUS CHRIST called us children but never said that he begotten us or father.

    ……in order to become the children of God , the Judaic christians believe in God who begets his children or born anew (John 3:3) while the Pauline christians believe in adoption (Gal 4:4-6; Roman 8:15; Eph. 1:5)

    the word children there is a “young brother” or lamb.

    …….followers of Judaic christians were called “children of light”, “children of God”, the “little ones”. I think same with the Pauline christians.

    Mr. Jet, I noticed something on your post, you said: You see, Peter mentioned about Paul in his writings – even calling him beloved brother” well, I say , yes that’s probably true but that is before the “tension” between them, paul was accepted, he became the authority to the gentiles but later difference in doctrines were noted and so irreconcialable problem arises between Paul and James, Peter and others, and they separated dividing the “christians” into two: Gentile Church or Pauline christianity and Judaic -christians.

    you said: I saw it in another way – love for a brother. When you see one commits mistakes, correct him – if one should really ought to be a brother also, why not?” but in the Bible , I am continously looking for those seemed to be pillars to correct one another but until now, honestly I found none! meaning those seemed to be pillars understand each other. The Judaic christians pillars are one in deeds and teachings. you said: “How about the martyr Stephen (Acts 7)? Wasn’t he also disputing people which were in the synagogue to the point of him being stoned to death? Are they also against him”, I think like the case of John they will not accuse STEPHEN because Apostle stephen is one of brethen, just like what I said their only rival is Paul and his disciples.

    From the Bible we can see the exchanges of words between St. Paul and St. James.

    St. Paul: “Since it is one God who will justify circumcision by faith and uncircumcision through faith ” ( Romans 3:30)

    reply by St. James: “You believe that there is ONe God? You do well, EVEN THE DEMONS believe and tremble but will you know oh VAIN MAN, that faith without work is dead? ” ( James 2:19)

    St. Paul: “What then shall we say that our father ABraham has found, according to flesh? For if Abraham was justified by works, hea has a boast but not before God” For what does the Scripture says? “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him for righteousness” (Roman 4:1-3)

    reply by St. James: ” Was not Abraham our Father Justified by works when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? do you see how FAITH WORKED WITH HIS WORKS,AND FROM THE WORK FAITH WAS MADE COMPLETE? And the scriptures was fulfilled which says: “Abraham believed God, and it was imputed to him for righteosness, and he was called teh freind of God.” YOU SEE THEN HOW A MAN IS JUSTIFIED BY WORKS, AND NOT BY FAITH ONLY? ( James 2: 21-24)

    Brother you said: They just misunderstood the incident in the book of Galations (2:11 onwards), when Paul withstood Peter to the face. For a brother with a good conscience, there was nothing wrong about that. He was just correcting his brothers when they walked not uprightly.

    …… Even myself cannot fully understand those incident in JERUSALEM CONFERENCE written in ACTS chapter 15, I guess st. Paul discussed it also in GAL. chapter 2 . Can you fully explain the incident in the book of Galatian chapter 2 onwards? Is the incident in ACTS chapter 15 coincided with Gal. chapter 2? Thanks!

  82. EYES says:

    Rosenthal,

    Sister let me answer.

    This is what our lord Jesus Christ want that we should share our views.

    The way I looked at it sister in the whole narration of Gal. 2 and Acts 15 this fall in this certain verse;

    St. Paul: “Since it is one God who will justify circumcision by faith and uncircumcision through faith ” ( Romans 3:30)

    I found on it sister that the key words is “circumcision” and “uncircumcision”.

    and the way I look at it, it falls on what our lord Jesus Christ said:

    “But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.”

    This is what master MOON RAVEN emphasize that St. Paul is commit a crimes.

    and that crimes is he is againts baptisms and the essence of baptisms.

    EYES

  83. Mr.Mc Beef says:

    lol want beef i dont even know this guy why in the hell am i posting anything i just looked up any random site and got a picture of this chinese and mexican looking person WTF!?!?

  84. Rhina says:

    WE GLORIFY YOU AND PRAISE YOU ALMIGHTY GOD. All your explanation Bro Eli is simple, logical and very biblical. Thank GOD that HE has gifted you with the knowledge and understanding of the TRUTH and the WORDS OF GOD. We do not claim to be wise, but maybe, because of the seed of faith that you Bro Eli and Bro Daniel has planted in our hearts, we have no difficulty understanding the scientific way of discovering the biblical truth. I can not blame some of our brethrens if they can not control themselves engaging some of this bloggers, who even resort to using others identity, trying to descredit Paul and introduce their own versions and interpretations of the bible. I wish i could debate with them in person, but I would rather spend my time with simple people who might not be wise, but yet pure in heart and filled with hunger for GOD’S WORDS and the TRUTH. Everything, including all the verses has been laid out by Bro Eli, yet these few ‘wise’ [as what they want to project themselves] detractors are blind to see. We can only pray for them, thats it. There is no need for Bro Eli to answer them again and again. Please go on Bro Eli, tackle some more issues that will help convert unbelievers and others earlier misled by fake church leaders.

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