This is a continuation of my article entitled “Jesus Christ Existed Before Abraham“.
Mr. Tumbok alleges that the wisdom referred to in the book of Proverbs 8:22 is not Christ. He cited 1 Corinthians 1:30 and hastily concluded that Christ is the wisdom for salvation and redemption only, and not the Wisdom instrumental in the creation of every existing thing. Here are his allegations:
“But to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God… But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God— and righteousness and sanctification and redemption.” (Ibid.)
Apostle Paul clearly states that Christ is the power and wisdom of God for us to be sanctified and be redeemed from sin, or God unto salvation. Hence, He is not the wisdom referred to in the Book of Proverbs, which our Lord God used in creating all things.
It was the apostle Paul who personified the wisdom of God as Jesus Christ.
(1 Corinthians 2:6-8) “Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to naught: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.”
A careful look at the above cited verses will reveal to us the following facts.
1. Wisdom of God in a mystery
2. The hidden Wisdom ordained by God before the world
3. Which was not known by the princes of this world
Due to these, they crucified the Lord of Glory.
The Wisdom of God being mentioned by Paul here is the Wisdom in a mystery, the hidden Wisdom, which is the Lord of Glory. Remember that this Wisdom was ordained by God before the World.
Who is the Lord of Glory? James 2:1 says:
“My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.”
It is crystal clear, therefore, that the Wisdom mentioned by Paul who existed and was ordained by God before the world is the Lord Jesus Christ — The Lord of Glory.
It this the same Wisdom being mentioned in the book of Proverbs?
(1 Corinthians 1:24) “But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”
The apostle Paul said, “The Wisdom of God”. A little knowledge of grammar will make us know that there is no other Wisdom because he used the definite article ‘the’. However, Christ is the Wisdom of God to those which are called. No wonder, Tumbok will not understand because he was not called. God calls people into the Church of God and not in any church founded by man.
(1 Corinthians 1:1-2) “Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours…”
It is in the Church of God that God calls people which He considers worthy of serving Him. If there are those who do not consider Christ as ‘the’ Wisdom of God, they are the enemies of Christ.
(1 Corinthians 1:23-24) “But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”
Christ is not the Wisdom of God for those who were not called into the Church of God, but a ‘stumbling block’ and foolishness. Certainly, He is the same Wisdom being mentioned in Proverbs 8:22.
(Proverbs 8:22) “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.”
The word ‘possessed’ being used by the Wisdom (referring to Christ) is very much apparent in the declaration of John.
(John 1:18) “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
The Wisdom was possessed by the Father in the beginning of His ways, before His works of old. The succeeding verses 23 and 24 prove that He was begotten before anything was made.
(Proverbs 8:23-24) “I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water.”
No other being in the universe was brought forth or begotten of the Father other than the only begotten Son, which was in the beginning, the Wisdom in the bosom of the Father.
(Hebrews 1:5) “For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?”
He is also the Son mentioned in the book of Proverbs, which was with the Father in the creation of everything.
(Proverbs 30:4) “Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?”
He is the person to whom God was speaking to, in the creation of man.
(Genesis 1:26) “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”
Others conclude (which were always erroneous) that God is speaking to angels; but this is not so. God speaks to someone who has the same image as Him, and there is no other person in the universe or beyond it, that has the exact image of God other than the Son.
(Hebrews 1:1-3) “God who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high…”
Note that by the Son he made the worlds. The Son is the express image of His person. These reasonings of Saint Paul jive with the preaching of John in his gospel.
(John 1:1-3) “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
To sum up, that really Jesus Christ is the Wisdom of God being mentioned in the book of Proverbs, let us look at the verses the second time.
(Proverbs 8:22-30) “The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep: When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him…”
I have highlighted in red words and phrases that speak of the time element proving that the Wisdom, which was the Son, pre-existed before He was born of Mary in the form of a man. There is no other Wisdom of God being mentioned in the Bible, other than the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ; the Lord of Glory, the wisdom which God used in the creation of everything that exist.
(Colossians 2:2-3) “That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.”
All treasures of wisdom and knowledge are in Christ. The apostle Paul has known this so he writes:
(Colossians 1:15-17) “Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”
How can something that does not exist be made an instrument in the creation of everything that exists? That is impossible!
(John 1:1-3) “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”
The Son was there in the Creation of everything! Without Him was not anything made that was made!
All these verses prove the pre-existence of the Son before He was born of Mary to be called the Son of Man. He is the Son of God. Our next discussion will deal on the real being (others call it the nature of Christ); but I believe Christ is not part of nature. Who really is Christ?
To be continued…
God Bless.
EFS
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what the….!!! TUMBOK NA TUMBOK NA TOH A!!!!!!! i hope that in this article mr. tumbok will understand that christ really exist before Mary and before Abraham… TO GOD BE THE GLORY…!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
All these will end if your leader manalo will show up and face in one on one debate. poor member of church of christ of manalo his the one defending their faith while his leader is hiding to his temple in diliman!
Now, TUMBOK may be out of his mind already… the biblical verses that Bro. Eli have given really disproved his claims… I just have one question for TUMBOK… if the wisdom referred to in Prov. 8:22 is not Christ, then who is it? Is that wisdom a creator or not? if it is, will you consider it also as God?
Thanks be to God for someone like Bro. Eli…
*waves the white flag*
i have no reason to continue and head on in this debate, so sorry for those people waiting my next objection (especially wroedel). destroying the stand that “Christ only existed when mary beggoten Him” is a huge blow and will automatically destroy the belief that “christ is a man” because He existed before Abraham.
This is a great manifestation of God’s divine knowledge thru Bro. Eli to those who are called in the Church of God.
Glory be to God!
To: “Mr. Eli Soriano & ADD members,”
TOPIC: WHO SPEAKER in Proverbs 8:22-31? (a) Jesus (b) personified wisdom of God?
(1) Pro 8:22-31 “The Lord CREATED ME at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old.”
“kanah” = Hebrew word means “CREATED”–Septuagint, Revised Standard Version, New English Bible, New Jerusalem Bible, Today’s English Version)
(2) Pro 8:1-2 “Does not WISDOM call, does not UNDERSTANDING raise HER voice? On the heights beside the way, in the paths SHE takes HER stand; beside the gates in front of the portals SHE cries aloud.”
If Christ is the “literal personified Wisdom” then: Christ is a FEMALE (SHE, HER) who RAISE HER VOICE and CRIES ALOUD.”
(3) Pr 8:12 “I, WISDOM, SHARE HOUSE with PRUDENCE”
If Christ is the “literal personified Wisdom” then: Christ “SHARED HOUSE with another person named PRUDENCE.”
(4) PERSONIFICATION = figure of speech “abstract concepts” are endowed with human qualities or represented as possessing human form.
(5)Gen 4:10 “And the Lord said, “What have you done? The VOICE of your brother’s BLOOD is CRYING to me from the ground.”
“personified BLOOD” of Abel as VOICE CRYING to God is an example of PERSONIFICATION.
(6) HEBRREW Masoretic Text used Hebrew verb “kanah” = created
(7) Pr 3:19-20 “The Lord (Yahweh) by WISDOM founded the earth; by UNDERSTANDING he established the heavens; by his KNOWLEDGE the deeps broke forth, and the clouds drop down the dew.”
TRUE MEANING of God’s “WISDOM” in Prov 8:22-31 is “not literal Christ” but God’s own WISDOM = UNDERSTANDING = KNOWLEDGE when GOD CREATED HEAVENS & EARTH.”
Vincent Reyes
I just hope the readers may enlighten their hearts through this blog esp. the “Manalista members”. The verses that Bro.Eli wrote here is like a bright light in a dark night. THANKS BE TO GOD, TO GOD BE THE GLORY!
yeheyyyyy, another striking one to those who claim that they know the bible and that they preach the “FULL GOSPEL”, as they say.
qanah – does it really mean “CREATED” let’s read the definition:
a primitive root; to erect, i.e. create; by extension, to procure, especially by purchase (causatively, sell); by implication to own:–attain, buy(-er), teach to keep cattle, get, provoke to jealousy, possess(-or), purchase, recover, redeem, X surely, X verily.
wow, seems that vincent reyes is looking for some translation that might support his claim. though “Created” is one of the meaning – can you tell me how manny bible translations used that word (created) as an equivalent of the original word qanah? granting without conceding that the wisdom is created – do you accept that it is Christ? if yes then it is proven that Christ existed before anything on this world was made. if your answer is no – then who is that wisdom or what is that wisdom created by God? baka naman alam mo. meron kasing tao na basta makatutol lang – not necessarily understanding what they are talking about.
secondly:
Wisdom in feminine gender? Ergo it cannot be Christ.
Try this:
Petra (rock) is a feminine gender as well but it is used to personify Jesus Christ.
How about that?
what else can i asked it’s all in there SOBRA NAKAKABUSOG its crystal clear, why to some its blurred… maybe its LAPAT to them they’re not CALLED. HEY Brod Tumbok do you want some help just knock… time is not yet over
TO GOD BE THE GLORY
mr. vincent reyes! ask mr. manalo to debate bro. eli in live broadcast! finish!
Tumbok:
This is the right verse for you ahehehe!!!
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
II John 1:7
King James Version
May God enlightenen you soon
Volunteer Catholic Manalism destroyer for ADD members,
Ally of ADD
FOR VINCENT REYES AND MR. TUMBOK,
Don’t make the words of GOD a contradiction just to prove your MISINTERPRETATION and own understanding on the Holy Scriptures… your ideas are to weird! Where in the world did you get that!?
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
5 cenon
*waves the white flag*
i have no reason to continue and head on in this debate, so sorry for those people waiting my next objection (especially wroedel). destroying the stand that “Christ only existed when mary beggoten Him” is a huge blow and will automatically destroy the belief that “christ is a man” because He existed before Abraham.
Is this true? Cenon waving the white flag? Is this surrender? Remember, we did not aim a gun on you, for we wrestle not in flesh and blood, unlike these JEWS PHILIPPINES INC.
I think what you should do now is watch and follow Bro. Eli’s program in UNTV 37 regulary. If the information is right that you are a catholic defender, well, I was once a catholic, too. You better get rid of all your idols now.
And stop defending JEWS PHILIPPINES INC.’s corporate agenda.
To Mr. Mike C:
Mr. Vincent Reyes have all the qualities of being a great deciever! He used to give a false definition to a certain term in order to fit it in his false argument. Just for example in some of his posts he says that the term “NAGKATAWANG TAO” means “REINCARNATE” in english which is not. He have all the qualities of being a true manalistas, the great deceiver! Thanks be to God that He sent Bro. Eli! TO GOD BE THE GLORY!
TO:VINCENT
AGAIN….THIS Q.
WHO is this WORD OF GOD?mentioned in rev.19:13-16
13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
IS THIS THE LOGOS YOU ARE SAYING?IF YOU CANNOT ANSWER DIRECTLY…….LET YOUR KA ERDI EXPLAIN IT….ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE…
AND DONT PUT YOUR SUGONG SUMUNOD SA HULING SUGO? TO SHAME…..YOUR KA ERDI MUST COME FORWARD AND BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN THIS VERSES…..WHO IS THIS….WORD OF GOD??????????AND ONE MORE THING…..ARE YOU IN PLACE OF KA ERDI NOW?????????CANT KA ERDI JUSTIFY YOUR OWN FOUNDED CHURCH’S LYING WONDERS?
DONT EVADE THIS Q…..DONT COW DOWN…VINCENT’
TO:VINCENT
I POSTED YOUR LAST POST BELOW.
on 10 Jul 2007 at 12:46 pm7 Vincent Reyes
To: “Mr. Eli Soriano & ADD members,”
TOPIC: WHO SPEAKER in Proverbs 8:22-31? (a) Jesus (b) personified wisdom of God?
and my{gerj} statements below.
LET’S ASK THE BIBLE FOR THE REPLY…SO YOU CANNOT BE TOTALLY LOST AS YOU ARE RIGHT NOW
1 cor 1:24 -king james version
But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God
1 cor 1:24-revised standard version
24but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God
1 cor 1:24-tagalog
24Sa mga tinawag, Judio at Griyego, siya ay Cristo na siyang kapangyarihan ng Diyos at karunungan ng Diyos.
vincent, if you are not blind…..YOU WILL DEFINITELY SEE AND UNDERSTAND THIS VERSE.
NOW….WHO IS THE CHRIST?
AS STATED IN THE VERSE…..IT IS NO OTHER THAN LORD JESUS CHRIST…..AND THE LORD JESUS CHRIST IS THE WISDOM OF GOD……..NOT PERSONIFIED WISDOM AS YOU INVENTED
I HOPE IT GETS TO YOUR DIAMOND HEART.
DONT ATTEMPT TO EXPLAIN…………..ALL YOU NEED IS TO READ…..OKAY?
DONT PUT UP YOUR OWN GARBAGE REASONING.
1 COR 3;19-20
1 COR 3;19-20
19For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
20And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain
Vincent Reyes: TRUE MEANING of God’s “WISDOM” in Prov 8:22-31 is “not literal Christ” but God’s own WISDOM = UNDERSTANDING = KNOWLEDGE when GOD CREATED HEAVENS & EARTH.”
ITONG DIOS NG MGA MANALISTA E SIRA ANG ULO. KALAIN MONG NAKIKIPAG USAP SA SARILI NIYANG WISDOM=UNDERSTANDING=KNOWLEDGE
HAHAHA GRABE NA ITONG NAITURO NI ERDY!!!! GRABE!!!!
KUNG IYAN ANG DIOS NYO TO HELL WITH YOUR FALSE GOD!!!
SALAMAT SA DIOS AT MAY TAGAPAGTURO NA SUGO NG DIOS!!!
vincent reyes,
your face is really thick!
How much they are paying you? Members of the Church of God workers / servants don’t have salary but with God’s help they will receive soon the priceless gift above all things.
so why don’t you give up? before it’s too late,make up your mind and stop your senseless argument and complicated post, because you stick the letters and verses.
but it so obvious that you are deceiving the readers of this forum especially non members of Church of God, but we the members we know already your style, style nyo “BULOK” for all this verses that bro. eli posted just keep in mind God is watching and you are always adding to your insult…Make up your senselessmind to be worth it enemy-friend!
to cenon tumbok,
we hope that you really understand that Jesus Christ existed before Abraham, and you are not fooling yourself…but you can continue writing to Pasugo even the bitter write-ups against bro. eli and for sure many INC will soon be baptize again to Church of God International….Thnks anyway for staying in this blog..
on 10 Jul 2007 at 12:46 pm7 Vincent Reyes
To: “Mr. Eli Soriano & ADD members,”
TOPIC: WHO SPEAKER in Proverbs 8:22-31? (a) Jesus (b) personified wisdom of God?
AND MY REPLY……HAVE YOU READ THE 1 COR 1:24 VERSE?DO YOU SEE HOW DUMB YOUR QUESTION IS…..VINCENT?
BUT STILL YOU ARE WELCOME TO SHED YOUR STUPIDITY.
COME OUT OF THIS FALSE CHRIST MAN’S CHURCH. AND BE ENLIGHTENED.YOUR PRIDE WILL JUST LEAD YOU TO WHERE YOU DONT WANT TO BE.
FANATISM IS STUPIDITY…….
To all fanatic INC members:
If you really dont want to join the MCGI because you thought it’s also a false religion, you may either join other religious groups or stay as a Freelancer still believing and following God’s commandment like Dr. Jose Rizal, God might have mercy on you.
just go away to that AntiChrist and AntiGod religion or else you’ll spent eternity in hellfire.
but I think the better advice is stay as a Biblical Freelancer like I’m doing right now.
Ally of ADD
manalo’s fiends and relatives are fooling thier self to believe that Christ is true man……
manalist think twice…….think of your eternity…..
hey vincent,if the wisdom of god is in feminine gender and its not christ,who is then the wisdom ‘HER’of god?? sagot..sagot..
yap, fanaticism will lead you to hell! we’re not fanatics, the right term is “pantas”!
from your statement,
TRUE MEANING of God’s “WISDOM” in Prov 8:22-31 is “not literal Christ” but God’s own WISDOM = UNDERSTANDING = KNOWLEDGE when GOD CREATED HEAVENS & EARTH.”
Why do you say “not literal Christ”? are you trying to imply that there is a spiritual Christ? And who is that Spiritual Christ? SUMAGOT KA SA TANONG!! Because first of all, if your belief that Christ is a man, then you don’t have to say “literal Christ” but Christ only, period. You’re just waving your foolishness in picking up words from your statements!
You must support your belief by another verse, WHERE IS THE VERSE??? That the true meaning of Gods wisdom is not literal Christ but God’s own wisdom?
I”LL HELP YOU, YOU CAN USE 1CORINTHIANS 1:24!
1 Corinthians 1:24) “But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”
Then, it will all end up that Christ was the wisdom of God in Proverbs :22-31. HAHAHA! I’ll understand why you don’t cite a verse, it will prove your stupidity!! And I might say, WE CAN USE ALL THE VERSES WITHOUT CONTRADICTING OUR BELIEF…
Poor poor manalistas… TSK TSK, mainit sa impyerno kala nyo ba..
oh i forgot to post, my statement is dedicated to mr. Vincent Reyes.
THIS DOCTRINES ARE TRUE!!!!
Section 1
We believe in the Almighty God, the Father, the Creator of the universe, in Christ Jesus, the Father’s begotten son, a true and Mighty God, the only savior of mankind and the only way to the Kingdom of God in heaven ( Acts 14:15; I Cor. 8:5-7; John 14:6; 14:1 ).
Section 2
We believe that only the Bible or the Holy Scriptures, composed of 66 inspired books, teaches the full wisdom of God for the salvation of man and that no other books should be used as basis for serving God and Christ Jesus ( Romans 1:16-17; 2:16; Gal. 1:8-9; II Thes. 1:1-9; John 20:31; Isa. 34:16; John 5:39 ).
Section 3
We believe that the God the Father sent His son Jesus Christ, instrumental in the establishment of the CHURCH OF GOD INTERNATIONAL, INC., the congregation of the Apostles, Prophets, Teachers, etc; first planted in the city of Jerusalem, and later on scattered and preached by the Apostles in different places of Asia Minor ( Matt. 16:18; Acts 8:1; Gal. 1:22; I Thes.2:14 ).
Section 4
We believe that the Gentile nations including the Philippines, are partakers of the promise, the ETERNAL LIFE, through belief in Christ Jesus and the Gospel and are not authorized by God TO ESTABLISH THEIR OWN CHURCH, but are mere members associated with the same body or Church written in the Gospel by accepting and executing the doctrines written by the Apostles ( Ephe. 3:6; Col. 1:18; I John 2:25; 1:3-4; I Cor. 12:27; Psalm 127:1; I Tim. 3:15 ).
Section 5
We believe that God is calling His people with determination to serve Him, bringing them in His fold, teaching them righteousness after baptism for their sins to be covered by the priceless blood of Christ poured in Mount Calvary, for the redemption of sin, to make them qualify for life eternal in heaven ( I Cor. 1: 9,2; Ephe. 4:1,10,14; Acts 2:38; Phil. 1:27; I Pet. 1:15-16; Ephe. 2:10; I Thes. 1:1 ).
Section 6
We believe that Christ descended on earth from the bosom of Father, suffered for the redemption of sin, died in the cross, resurrected after three days, ascended in heaven and sit on the right side of God.
Section 7
We believe that all Christian believers should always attend the divine service executed by the administrator of the members of the church or of the congregation every first day of the week, wherein they should sing hymns, hear sermons, offer prayers and alms which is always voluntary according to his faith ( Heb. 10:25; Acts 20:7; I Cor. 14:28: Acts 1:14; I Cor. 16:3; II Cor. 9:7-8, 12-13 ).
Section 8
We believe that the most important duty and obligation of the members of the Church of God International, INC. is to propagate the Gospel of Christ on earth until the consummation of the ages, for only the church can teach the wisdom of God for the salvation of mankind (Luke 8:1-3; Ephe. 3:10; II Tim 3:14-17 ).
Hey Vincent,
How much knowledge inside the Bible you can contain,not even a dot of wit,cowARD.open your mind if you got it men.
Tumbok,
If you are wise, you will surely heed to Bro. Eli’s view, after all it comes from God but if you want to resist Him,you resisted God, thus you wanted to be damned just for for the folly of your false pastor.
May I advice you as a sister to study the Holy Bible through Bro.Eli. and you’ll find rest to your misdirected mind.
vincent said
If Christ is the “literal personified Wisdom” then: Christ is a FEMALE (SHE, HER) who RAISE HER VOICE and CRIES ALOUD.”
you fool. you will just use the greek and hebrew translations if it connives to your misinterpretations. if you will look at the greek translation of that “wisdom”, it was “sophia” (o diba feminine ang dating?) that’s why it was translated as wisdom then used “her” as the pronoun because sophia(according to general rule) pag ang name ay ending sa “a” feminine pag “o” masculine.
on 15 Jul 2007 at 4:13 am25 Ally of ADD
To all fanatic INC members:
If you really dont want to join the MCGI because you thought it’s also a false religion, you may either join other religious groups or stay as a Freelancer still believing and following God’s commandment like Dr. Jose Rizal, God might have mercy on you.
just go away to that AntiChrist and AntiGod religion or else you’ll spent eternity in hellfire.
but I think the better advice is stay as a Biblical Freelancer like I’m doing right now.
To whom it may concern(ally of ADD),…#25
I don’t really think you’ve given us a BETTER advised as you said…you know why?????????????
How can you follow the commandments of God when you are a FREELANCER?..don’t you know that ONE of the commandment of God is to join His CHURCH?…….James 2:10 says,you should obey all God’s commandment….. being a freelancer is dis-obeying God’s commandment in ROMANS 12:9..
Maybe you should start looking for the GOOD ONE as the BIBLE says and must JOIN THEM…
Why don’t you ask Bro. Eli Soriano regarding on that matters…..as the saying goes…ITANONG MO KAY SORIANO…BIBLIA ANG SASAGOT!!!!!!
GLORY TO GOD THE ALMIGHTY.`If you are an ordinary member, and not a minister in your inc-ni-manalo, you must have been reading the bible on your own, without the permssion of your church. Anyway, just to remind you again vincent, many of your talented former ministers are already happy members of the true church,the CHURCH OF GOD International where members are encouraged and guided to read and understand the bible without any addition, subtraction, nor deviations. Should you want to read more, see to it that you dont make you own interpretations like what your inc- ni-manalo ministers are doing. Get guidance from Bro Eli, Bro Daniel or any of our ministers or workers who will help you read completely the following lines or verses so that you will understand the WORDS even if spoken in parables. Be a part of the former ministers and members of your false church, who have been blessed with finally knowing the TRUTH, GOD THE FATHER, and HIS BEGOTTEN SON JESUS CHRIST, HIS POWER AND WISDOM.
from Bro Eli,Bro Daniel or any of our mnisters or workers who will help you by reading the following or preceeding lines and verses, not like the inc ministers who avoid or stop reading when it is apparent that it will substantiate the TRUTH, and that JESUS CHRIST IS the POWER and WISDOM and is GOD, being the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF THE FATHER. Instead of wasting whatever talent is in you, use them correctly and biblically. Look at the former inc ni manalo ministers and members who found the TRUTH, GOD THE FATHER, and GOD JESUS CHRIST.
Col 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
Col 2:3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.
To vincent:
May be i’m late but your heaven is in the second heaven only.
And your kaalaman is just cent only compare to the kaalaman of MCGI.
grabe kayo mga manalista tigas ng puso nyong umintindi.
Thanks to to GOD he sent bro.Eli.
To GOD be the glory!