Mr. Tumbok’s allegations posted on the eDebate with the topic, “Is Jesus Christ Man or God”:
“Now to Abraham and his Seeds were the promises made. He does not say, ‘And no seeds’, as of many, but as of one, ‘And to your Seed’, who is Christ.” (Gal.3:16, Ibid.)
Christ is the seed of Abraham, which is why it is wrong to assert that He existed before Abraham did. It is also worthy to note that nowhere in the aforecited pronouncement of Christ, which they use as proof of His alleged pre-existence and deity, did He say, “before Abraham was, I am God.” Why then did our Lord Jesus Christ say, “Before Abraham was, I AM”? Does this mean that He had pre-existence or that He had already existed even before Abraham was born? Apostle Peter enlightens us on this regard, thus:
“Foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, He has been manifested in the last times for your sakes” (I Peter 1:20, Douay- Rheims Version)
Even before the creation of the world, our Lord Jesus Christ was already foreknown by God. Hence, what was in the beginning with God was not Christ but God’s foreknowledge of Him. Apostle Peter proves this further through His testimony:
“Him [Christ], being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God…” (Acts 2:23, NKJV)
In other words, even before God created the world, He had already planned that there would be a Messiah or Christ. But there was no Christ yet in existence in the beginning, contrary to what the proponents of the Christ-is-God doctrine would like us to believe, for He came to exist only when He was born of His mother, Apostle Paul testified:
“But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law.” (Gal. 4:4, Ibid.)
I have highlighted the allegations of Mr. Tumbok to make them easily noticeable because they are the points that we are going to clarify from the Bible. The first allegation is:
“Christ is the seed of Abraham, which is why it is wrong to assert that He existed before Abraham did.”
According to Mr. Tumbok, it is wrong to assert that Christ existed before Abraham because He is a seed of the latter. Let us clarify this.
In what aspect does the Bible consider the Lord Jesus Christ as the seed of Abraham?
(Romans 1:3) “Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh…”
Note the descriptive term being used by the apostle Paul, “seed according to the flesh”. Such term is used in the Bible to describe the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ, implying that before He was born in the flesh, He already existed in the spirit world. Remember, He was the One teaching the prophets of old by His spirit, which was in them.
(1 Peter 1:10-11) “Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.”
“Which was in them” denotes His preexistence.
Notice the following verses:
(Acts 2:30) “Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne…”
(Romans 9:4-5) “Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.”
It is easily noticeable that concerning the flesh, and according to the flesh, Christ came from the Israelites in the lineage of David, who are descendants of Abraham. So, He is the seed of Abraham, according to the flesh; and concerning the flesh, but He was before Abraham, concerning the spirit. Thus, His quotation, “Before Abraham was, I am”.
Mr. Tumbok alleges that:
“Hence, what was in the beginning with God was not Christ but God’s foreknowledge of Him.”
This is the thinking of all people mislead by Manalo, and the proponents of Christ is man- belief. Let us examine this in the light of what is really written in the scriptures.
Consistency in thought and senses is very much needed in understanding the ‘whole truth’ in the Bible. Anybody who will extract a verse out of the consistent thought of any given topic, is taking it out of context, and therefore, misleading.
From what topic of discussion the pronouncement of the Lord Jesus, “Before Abraham was, I am” was taken? Let us examine the topic.
(John 8:38-43) “I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.”
(John 8:53-58) “Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? Jesus answered, If I honor myself, my honor is nothing: it is my Father that honoreth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”
These discussions between the Lord Jesus Christ and the Jews are about the roots of the Jews and that of Christ. The Jews are claiming that they are children of Abraham; the Lord Jesus Christ telling them that He came from God the Father. If we are going to look closely on the aforementioned verses, Christ is disproving the allegation of these Jews that they are descendants of Abraham, and children of God. If they were of God, they should love Jesus because He came from God; if they are descendants of Abraham, then, they would do the works of Abraham. “Abraham rejoiced to see my day”, but the Jews sought to kill Him because they were not children of Abraham but, of their father — the devil.
(John 8:44) “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
What the Jews wanted to do to the Lord Jesus was not what Abraham felt when he saw His day.
(John 8:40) “But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.”
Abraham rejoiced upon seeing the day of the Lord Jesus, unlike the Jews trying to kill Him.
When Jesus said that, “Abraham rejoiced to see my day”, the Jews said, “Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?”, the Lord Jesus Christ exclaimed, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” The rule of logic and consistency of thought dictates that what our Lord Jesus Christ meant is that He existed before Abraham was — note the verb ‘was’.
In fact, in the New Living Translation (NLT), it says:
(John 8:58) “Jesus answered, “The truth is, I existed before Abraham was even born!” NLT
And again in the Living New Testamen (LNT), it states:
(John 8:56-58) “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day. He knew I was coming and was glad. The Jewish leaders: You aren’t even 50 years old-sure, you’ve seen Abraham! The absolute truth is that I was in existence before Abraham was ever born!”
Notice the following:
“I speak that which I have seen with my Father”
“I proceeded forth and came from God”
“Abraham rejoiced to see my day”
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am”
The consistent thought being expressed in the preceding pronouncements of the Lord Jesus Christ proves His pre-existence before Abraham was born. It is not just a ‘foreknowledge’ of God as Mr. Tumbok claims. Lets us investigate his erroneous conclusion in the translation he used —the DOUAY-RHEIMS VERSION:
(1 Peter 1:18-20) “Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, as gold or silver, from your vain conversation of the tradition of your fathers: But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb unspotted and undefiled, foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but manifested in the last times for you…”
In these verses, what was foreknown by God is not the being of Christ but, the redemptive power of the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb unspotted and undefiled. Of course, the blood of Christ does not yet exist before the foundation of the world because He was not yet born in the flesh, but existing in spirit. Likewise, the apostle Peter is speaking of the same foreknowledge of God.
(Acts 2:23) “Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death…”
Note the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God speaks of the redemption that will be accomplished by the blood and death of Christ in the flesh.
Mr. Tumbok alleges that Christ only existed when He was born of His mother. This is what he said:
“…for He came to exist only when He was born of His mother, Apostle Paul testified:
“But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law.” (Gal. 4:4, Ibid.)
This claim of Mr. Tumbok is neither Biblical nor scientific. Biblically and scientifically speaking, the existence of a man starts in the loins of his father.
(Hebrews 7:5) “And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham…”
Let us examine what the apostle said in Galatians 4:4.
“But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law.”
The verse did not say that our Lord Jesus Christ only existed when He was born of His mother as Mr. Tumbok claims. But a striking truth can be noticed by an open mind.
God sent forth His Son! He was sent because He came from God. He was sent because He came from heaven. When He came, a body was prepared for Him; which was born of the woman under the law.
(John 1:18) “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
(John 6:38) “For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”
(Hebrews 10:5) “Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me…”
These verses all denote the pre-existence of Christ before He came to earth.
To be continued…
EFS
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I hope NATUMBOK NA ni mr tumbok na si Cristo ay DIOS even it is only on its 1st installment… those verses which bro Eli use is clear, and even if i’m not a member and just spectator, i won’t believe that Jesus is a Man.
To GOD be the Glory…
Thanks be to God for someone like Bro Eli. 😀
To believe that Christ is just man is being foolish. You really do not know Christ just like those religious leaders who crucified him because of unbelief that he is not man, but God.
1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Thanks be to God for revealing this wisdom to us through the only sensible preacher in our time.
To God be the glory forever!
Amen to that…
solid punches! knocked down! the belief that Christ existed only when He was born of Mary is misleading, The proofs in science and most specially the verses after verses that Bro Eli gave cannot be disputed even by Manalo himself ! go ahead tumbok, throw more punches and the hits will smash your own belief ! poor guy ! you better leave that church of Manalo or you’ll be joining him in hell !
May God enlighten more souls through these blogs of Bro Eli ! Thanks be to God for the wisdom that God continues to give Bro Eli …. To GOD be the Glory !!!!!
We shouldn’t be surprised of Mr. Tumbok’s belief that Christ is not God because that’s what had been taught to them by their false preacher.
I once was a member of their church, indoctrinated twice (6 months each) because I failed the first one. The reason – when I was asked in the interview of who is the last messenger of God, I answered “Felix Manalo”, but the correct answer is ” Ang Sugong Kapatid na si Felix Manalo”.
Thanks God, He took me out from them. Thanks to Him for using Bro. Eli in spreading out His words.
Praise be to God !!!
To: Vincent_Reyes2005, Mr. Tumbok, and all INC Members
Jesus Christ is not GOD?
Brothers, There are so many verses of biblical writings that you are you using of; but still there is only one verse in biblical writings stated that cannot be broken.
And this is:
Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one.
Jn:10:31: Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Jn:10:32: Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Jn:10:33: The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
” Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?” (John 10:34)
“If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the SCRIPTURE CANNOT BE BROKEN;” (John 10:35)
But sad to say now that it is broken, because of you don’t believe it because of the reasons of maybe being an idiot, fools, hypocrit, corrupt, stupid, immoral and other evil disgusting words.
And naturally you are protesting it.
Let start in this way as what Jesus Christ said:
“O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.” (Matthew 12:34)
” A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.” *(Matthew:12:35)
What’s the intention?
The intention is that since you are not believing or doubtful that “ye are gods unto whom the word of God came” then you are not god.
And naturally you are protesting it as what the jews done to our Lord Jesus Christ.
What is god which mention in John 10:35?
Lets hear from the spy or enemy:
“For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:5)
Brother is it mean that being god is to know good and evil?
I remember my previous writings on this blog that I say:
Commandments leads to hatred but LOVE covenant leads to conscience.
and conscience is the sense of what is right and wrong that governs somebody’s thoughts and actions, urging him or her to do right rather than wrong.
and conscience is the product of love.
Brothers, I know that you will not believe it because if you don’t believe in John 10:35 how much more in Genesis 3:5
But using on that argument:
1.) Is it the reason brother that because you don’t have conscience so you are fabricating false accusations againts our preacher without fearing to GOD?
2.) Is it the reason brother that because you don’t have conscience so your group are influencing the philippine government to eject our preacher from his homeland?
3.) Is it the reason brother that because you don’t have conscience so your group are claiming that you are the only church who will save and others are damned?
So for the questions that Jesus Christ is not GOD because in John 10:35 are not true gods?
my answer:
To be god is to be love.
as what Jesus Christ said:
“As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.” (John:15:9)
remember:
There is only one GOD who created heaven and earth and that is our GOD the FATHER in heaven.
and:
“The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.” (John 3:35)
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” (John:3:36)
So brother do you believe now the LOVE(GOD) JESUS CHRIST?
If yes, then let me show your MERCY!
EYES
to mr.tumbok,
There’s a saying, “if you can’t beat them, join them”.
The best way to do for you is to use this verses against your ministers and right there “tumbukin mo sila”…ssD
cenon…
but what if i say that there are sons of God which is not GOd. like in IJohn 3:1? also for wroedel, what if i say those gods isnt true gods
Gayon man nang panahong yaon, sa hindi ninyo pagkakilala sa Dios, kayo’y nasa pagkaalipin ng sa katutubo ay hindi mga dios:
Mga Taga-Galacia 4:8
you ridiculously interpret that verse.
first, let me tell you that in that verse, Paul was talking to gentiles which were in galatia. those gods mentioned in Dan 2:47, Psalm 136:2, Deut. 10:17 isnt gentiles.
next, while it is a fact that they are indeed gentiles, they were in pagkaalipin/service of those “untrue gods”. now the point is, ungbang mga gods na nasa Dan 2:47, Psalm 136:2, Deut. 10:17 ay inaalipin ang mga taga galasya na mga gentil? no, so these untrue gods mentioned in galatia are the gods of gentiles not of the israelites.
Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
Galatians 4:8
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now explain this
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
I Timothy 2:5
if you are going to notice, even in their old pasugo and the pasugo i read last 2005(most probably), the punctuation mark they used after the word “Christ Jesus” is period while it was not so. the real punctuation mark is—
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
I Timothy 2:5
this is to deceive the members and ignore the following verse. anyway, i will just answer the issue in the verse “For there is one God…”, why does this verse say that there is one God while we believe that Christ is also God? well… umm… pardon me cause i thought of this much but i really cant express it in english so please bear with me if i’ll explain in tagalog
kaya sinabing “For there is one God,” kasi karugtong naman ung isa pang principle, “and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” … bakit ganun? kasi may isang Dios(hindi dalawa) na kailangan ng mediator. si Cristo ay Dios pero hindi naman Niya kailangan ng mediator e. parang ganito, there is one man and an animal need first aid in the roof top. does it follow na isa lang ang tao sa mundo? of course not. kaya lang, in that case/sentence, may ISAng tao na nangangailangan ng first aid but it doesnt follow na iisa lang ang tao sa mundo. the same in the verse, “There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” ung Godna si Christ hindi nun kailangan ng mediator bettween Him and tao kasi Siya na ang mediator. ang nangangailangan ng mediator sa tao ay yung “isang Dios”… i hope got u my point. regarding the following verse, saka na, patutulin muna natin si vincent.
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Try to translate in Tagalog: “water BECME ice” or “Jesus was MADE Lord.” Do you translate it in Tagalog as “tubig ay NAGKATAWANG yelo” or “si Jesus ay NAGKATAWANG Panginoon.” Nagkatawang in English is reincarnated, a term not in the Bible.
you must understand that before water become ice, there will be a process that will first take place, the “solidification” or the act of turning of liquid to solid. now if the “Word” will become flesh, will there be a process that will take place? yes? but how can a Word turn into flesh?
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Philippians 2:6-7
you know, if im to use the good news bible, you lose
He always had the nature of God, but he did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God.
Instead of this, of his own free will he gave up all he had, and took the nature of a servant. He became like a human being and appeared in human likeness.
Philippians 2:6-7
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(7) Bro. Eli Soriano: If Jesus is Father’s “co-creators” of all things, why God said he was “ALONE” and “BY MYSELF” as creator of all things in Isaiah 44:24?
indeed the Father really created all things “alone” but remember God used something or someone to create these things
“For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Colossians 1:16
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i will continue this God willing, i just ranout of time
Salamat po sa Dios, Bro. Eli. We MISSED you!!!!!!!!
TO: VINCENT, TUMBOK, INC MEMBERS
INC PRESIDING MINISTER (daw) MANALO
Read: Philippians 2:20 – For I have NO MAN LIKEMINDED, who will naturally care for your state.
Filipos 2:20 -Sapagka’t WALANG TAONG KATULAD KO ANG PAG-IISIP na magmamalasakit na totoo sa inyong kalagayan.
How’s your MAN CHRIST NOW????
Esep-esep!!!!
Hello, My name is Paul Frazier, and I have been studing the Bible for 10 years. How well do you know the old testament? I would like to show you what I know. If you are interested. Did you know that Naoh died 2006 years after God created Adam, and that Abraham was 58 when Noah died ?
To: VINCENT Post#207
You’re getting funnier everytime you answer… He he! Gotcha! Re my question to you:
Son of Man? Man!
Son of God_________________?
and your answer was… MAN! He he! Gotcha again!
Then let’s ask God Himself and not Vincent bec. of his unreliable and unbelievable answers. Nakakatawa talaga!
God, what are your sons?
Vincent, read!
Psalm 82:6 – I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Now, I ask you again… (Huwag matigas ang ulo) what is the son of God?
Answer _____________! (Sana di ka na magkamali)
Me clue ka na nga ang Panginoong Hesukristo in John 10:34 sa mga kaibigan niong HUDYO who doesn’t believe, LIKE YOU that Jesus Christ is God!
Vincent, READ again, don’t explain!
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
GISING, JEWS OF DILIMAN, QUEZON CITY… GISING!!!!
what if i say that still bro eli haven’t yet sucessfully objected the term “my day” in John 8:56 which is according to what i posted is the day of judgement and that same day was what abraham saw.
yet i must be waiting because as it is said… to be continued.
btw, i am not the one “alleging” those things, it was from pasugo as i posted
49 cenonbibejrtumbok
…btw, that very long article that i posted was from god’s message novermber 2005 volume 57 number 11 ISSN 0116-1636
wow. talagang humahagikgik ako sa tuwa kasi nandito ako sa internet shop.nakakahiya pagtumawa kka ng malakas hehehe. what Bro Eli answered is really good. indeed i cannot see a hole myself especially this
Lets us investigate his erroneous conclusion in the translation he used —the DOUAY-RHEIMS VERSION:
(1 Peter 1:18-20) “Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, as gold or silver, from your vain conversation of the tradition of your fathers: But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb unspotted and undefiled, foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but manifested in the last times for you…”
In these verses, what was foreknown by God is not the being of Christ but, the redemptive power of the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb unspotted and undefiled. Of course, the blood of Christ does not yet exist before the foundation of the world because He was not yet born in the flesh, but existing in spirit. Likewise, the apostle Peter is speaking of the same foreknowledge of God.
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now im imagining manalo hearing this, what will happen i wonder?
Mr. Tumbok,
Bro. Eli has proven clearly his faith thru the different verses of the Holy Bible that: “Jesus Christ Existed Even Before Abraham”.
May I request, You, Mr. Tumbok and company, to show verse(s) of the Bible that will prove that Jesus Christ Never Existed Before Abraham, because in all verses that you used, THERE IS NOT EVEN A SINGLE WORD TO PROVE YOUR FAITH. or better, why not convince Manalo to answer or be the one to show and prove what he had taught you!
I agree with eyes about his comment #6 above. I chose conscience, a sense of right and wrong, than hatred.
Amen!
I think mr. tumbok should be able to realize now that what he believes in is wrong according to the bible–that Christ is NOT man.
but then again, after all those “hits” which i think, are enough for anyone who is intelligent to understand, and still mr. tumbok cannot grasp the truth, just you wait!
as bro.eli said, “to be continued…”
to God be the glory!
The consistent thought being expressed in the preceding pronouncements of the Lord Jesus Christ proves His pre-existence before Abraham was born. It is not just a ‘foreknowledge’ of God as Mr. Tumbok claims. Lets us investigate his erroneous conclusion in the translation he used —the DOUAY-RHEIMS VERSION:
(1 Peter 1:18-20) “Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, as gold or silver, from your vain conversation of the tradition of your fathers: But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb unspotted and undefiled, foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but manifested in the last times for you…”
In these verses, what was foreknown by God is not the being of Christ but, the redemptive power of the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb unspotted and undefiled. Of course, the blood of Christ does not yet exist before the foundation of the world because He was not yet born in the flesh, but existing in spirit. Likewise, the apostle Peter is speaking of the same foreknowledge of God.
(Acts 2:23) “Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death…”
Note the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God speaks of the redemption that will be accomplished by the blood and death of Christ in the flesh.
wow, hahaha, using your adversary’s own version of bible to disprove their claim is truly a salt in the injury.
That was clearly stated by Bro Eli!.. no man in his rightful mind can contest that…
There are just blind people who cannot see the truth being explained and read to them..
hope time comes that these blind people like “tumbok” realize what Bro Eli explains..
I Thanks God for His Great Love to us, for sending us a real messenger, a real man of God that could easily untangle any misleading doctrines being propagated by these false messenger especially these diabolic race of Manalos!!!
JUNIOR,
You said, “wow, hahaha, using your adversary’s own version of bible to disprove their claim is truly a salt in the injury.”
YOUR INJURY, YES!
Imagine giving you a dose of your own poison? Bro. Eli was just using it to SHOW YOU his erroneous conclusion in the translation he used.He was just showing what TUMBOK aka SABLAY did not see, because he was blinded by your father.
AND YOU, HAVING NOT UNDERSTOOD THE INTENTION, THAT MAKES YOU, TANGA!
HAHAHA! FUNNY JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC. FOUNDED BY FELIX MANALO according to their registration – ANG ANGHEL NA MABAHO ANG TUMBONG, SUMASAMBA SA TAO. 🙂
JUNIOR,
CORRECTION – THEIRS!
SABLAY,
1. You said, “btw, i am not the one “alleging” those things, it was from pasugo as i posted”
🙂 Look who’s doing the mudslinging now! The fact that you used your pasugo, makes you allege the same thing, too. Are you now denying your pasugo? You should really do so.
2. Think of this.
Galatians 1:1 ¶Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
…not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ…
Jesus Christ is really not man after all.
TO TUMBOK
TUMBOK: what if i say that still bro eli haven’t yet sucessfully objected the term “my day” in John 8:56 which is according to what i posted is the day of judgement and that same day was what abraham saw.
yet i must be waiting because as it is said… to be continued.
DOM: What particular portion in Bro. Eli’s post that he was not successful re: the topic? It’s easy to say ‘not successful’. Madaling mag-claim…
TUMBOK: btw, i am not the one “alleging” those things, it was from pasugo as i posted
DOM: You POSTED it, coz. you BELIEVE in it. Now that you’re a member of that cult, you should cling to their belief if you’re totally convince. And if you are not a member yet of that group na ang SUGO e ANGHEL (INC’s WEIRDEST DOCTRINE)… nagpapagamit ka lang? Ano ba ang KAPALIT?
If it’s served me right… you’re a CATHOLIC belief DEFENDER before. Am I right?
A NEWSPAPERMAN should always makes his stand… on TRUTH especially.
Now with your last statement… it seems that you don’t like to take the full responsibilities to the LIES and GHOST that you have created and posted. Ngayon… NATATAKOT KA! Panindigan mo iyan!
Kawawa ka naman…
amen!
There is only one explanation why those so-called religious organization that preaches Jesus Christ is JUST a man is a liar and misleads people… it is clearly written in the ff verse:
Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried. But the wicked shall do wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.
“NONE OF THE WICKED SHALL UNDERSTAND”
“BUT THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND”
It is THE FATHER that testifies that Jesus Christ is God and it is clearly written in the ff verse:
Hebrews 1:8 (MKJV)
But to the Son He says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8 (ASV)
but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8 (LITV)
but as to the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom;
Hebrews 1:8 (Good News Bible, favorite of INC-M)
About the Son, however, God said: “Your kingdom, O God, will last forever and ever! You rule over your people with justice.
To God be the Glory!!!
More power to Bro. Eli and to his blog, I hope that more people can read/visit this blog so that more people will be enlightened.
more power to your BLOGI ingkong!
To all Brethren:
We can’t really do anything to let Mr. Tumbok accept the fact that Bro. Eli’s rebuttal on his piece posted here is biblically unassailable. Mr. Tumbok’s reactionary stance against Bro. Eli’s is understable. First, Mr. Tumbok, is being paid for all his works. Second, it appears that Mr. Tumbok is a “masiglang” kaanib ng INC ni Manalo, and by all means he has to defend the teachings and doctrines of their church (kuno), even if he knows by heart (if got one) that their’s are unbiblical and are mostly just the inventions of Mr. Manalo. And third, Mr. Tumbok’s mind is no doubt already shrouded with evil teachings and doctrines by showing his irreverent to our Lord Jesus Christ. Mr. Tumbok’s understanding of biblical verses pictures the kind of teaching of the “sugo” he venerates.
But in view of all the glaring truth from the verses of the Bible that Bro. Eli laid down in his rebuttal, Mr. Tumbok will not just take those negation sitting down. He have to make a stand, otherwise he will be labeled “tyope” just like his rejoinder. He has to keep on punching even if he’s hitting nothing but air just to show that he is still in a fighting mode. He-heh.
In another wise, it is understandly, Mr. Tumbok’s cannot keep his silence. Remember what Michael Sandoval has said a while ago – “SILENCE means YES!” And YES here means acceptance of defeat. So how could Mr. Tumbok break off his out-of-tune rejoinder. What else can we expect from him?
Let all therefore, thank GOD for having with us Bro. Eli who is ready and willing to defend the TRUTH and GOD’S WORDS from the abuses of false Bible scholars. SALAMAT SA DIOS.
Bro. Tricks
Thanks Mr. Tumbok we expect more from you…use the new edition of the Pasugo
If you still believe that Jesus Christ is a man, it is just a lesser truth. And the absolute truth is, Jesus Christ is God according to those verses of the Bible mentioned by Bro. Eli Soriano.
Mr. Tumbok seems can no longer find anything in their pasugo to rebut what Bro. Eli posted. Now clinging to his last straw by saying:
“what if i say that still bro eli haven’t yet sucessfully objected the term “my day” in John 8:56 which is according to what i posted is the day of judgement and that same day was what abraham saw.”
This is what we call “nagpapapalakas na lang ng loob!”
Anyway it seems that Mr. Tumbok is not reading the article very carefully. If he will just add some little thinking in his reading, I am very sure that he will find the answer the he is waiting for. It is all about context Mr. Tumbok!
Anyway, we cannot expect that much from you here Mr. Tumbok – if Erano find it hard to understand the bible – much more his disciples. It a pity that Erano can swallow the fact that his members are the one doing the duty that supposed to be his – that is defending your faith. Shame on him!
On other hand – I am very proud and very privilege to say that I am a member of the Church of God whose leaders are man enough to ALWAYS defend our faith.
TO VINCENT:
Heb 1:9 “therefore GOD, your GOD, has annointed you with the oil of gladness”
Take NOTE: It says the SON RECOGNIZED GOD (GOD, your GOD).
Is 45:5 GOD said: “There is NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME.” GOD does NOT RECOGNIZED “OTHER GOD BESIDES HIM”
DOM: Another manifestation of GRAND IGNORANCE of the Bible. Definitely, you misunderstood the verse…
Read this, Vincent (I don’t have to explain and there’s nothing to explain. All you have to do is read):
Psalm 82:1 & 6: God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
82:6 – I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High
Question again: Are there other gods beside God?
Nalulubog ka sa KAMANGMANGAN MO! Pa’no, ang SUGO MO… ANGHEL… Nakatatawa! (Not in the Bible) Di ka ba nahihiya? Di nio maipagmamalaki ang sugo nio! Kahit 10 mins sa TV o radio man lang, di makapangaral! Do you know why, Vincent (gising HOY!)? It’s not a mystery… SUGO MO, WALANG ALAM SA ARAL. And you inherited it! Tsk tsk! It shows in your posts!
TO VINCENT:
Heb 1:9 “therefore GOD, your GOD, has annointed you with the oil of gladness”
Take NOTE: It says the SON RECOGNIZED GOD (GOD, your GOD).
Is 45:5 GOD said: “There is NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME.” GOD does NOT RECOGNIZED “OTHER GOD BESIDES HIM”
DOM: Another manifestation of GRAND IGNORANCE of the Bible. Definitely, you misunderstood the verse…
Read this, Vincent (I don’t have to explain and there’s nothing to explain. All you have to do is read):
Psalm 82:1 & 6: God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
82:6 – I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High
Question again: Are there other gods beside God?
Nalulubog ka sa KAMANGMANGAN MO! Pa’no, ang SUGO MO… ANGHEL… Nakatatawa! (Not in the Bible) Di ka ba nahihiya?
VINCENT: Topic: Who’s the REAL JEWS in the Philippines? Iglesia ni Cristo or Iglesia ng Dios members?
DOM: Isn’t it you have the same belief, like the Jews, that Jesus Christ is man? Our belief is that Jesus Christ is God! Now who’s the Jews in the Philippines?
Nalilito ka na… he he!
VINCENT: (1) JEWS falsely accused Jesus of BLASPHEMY = “making himself God” BECAUSE Jesus said: “he is the SON OF GOD”
DOM: So, if the Jews FALSELY ACCUSED JESUS CHRIST OF BLASPHEMY…
Then… JESUS IS RIGHT WHEN HE TOLD THE JEWS THAT HE IS GOD COZ HE IS THE SON OF GOD, Di ba? Nahihilo ka na yata. Inom ka muna ng tubig!
Isn’t that the MAIN REASON why the JEWS are STONING Jesus Christ?
Hmm… it seems that you’re leaning to our doctrines little by little na, a!
VINCENT: Question to Mr. Eli Soriano: Bro. Eli Soriano, are you SON of GOD or SON of SATAN? Siyempre ang answer ni Bro. Eli: SON OF GOD.
Is Bro. Eli “blaspheming” = Making Himself God? No.
DOM: If it’s Bro. Eli… YES! If it’s Jesus Christ, NO! Nowhere you will find in our doctrine/s that Bro. Eli is “Making himself God”. It is only Jesus Christ who has to authority to say that, because He is the begotten Son of God and never we will question His declaration.
But if we believe in our God, and He wants to call his children gods… who are we to go against His will?
Vincent, read:
Psalm 82:6 – I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Agree ka ba with this verse or not?
We are hoping, that glorious day will come, and hear Our God the Father utters in the third heaven… “I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are my children…”
If you want to remain MAN… bahala ka! Ikaw na ang gumawa ng daan mo sa KAPAHAMAKAN!
Just a little sharing…
I’m a BREAD member and in our school we once had a Bible study, and it has been discussed that Jesus is a God and not a man. After the Bible study, my classmate who is a protestant, asked me what was my belief about Jesus.
Is he a 100% God or Man?
I told him that Jesus is a God, who was made flesh.
But his belief is that Jesus is a 100% God and a 100% man. Dun lang ako nakarinig ng ganung pananampalataya.
Jesus died, he said.
Yes, I told him, because he was made flesh, nagkatawang tao nga eh.
Actually, I cannot understand his belief. According to him, “there’s a mystery why Jesus is a God and also a man. Bakit nagkatawang tao pa si Cristo para mailigtas ang mga tao, kaya naman niyang magawa yon bilang Dios. There’s a mystery there.” …our conversation ended.
Eh bakit nman mas marunong pa siya sa Dios.
Sana tinanong nya yon nung nasa bible study pa, pra napaliwanag sa kanya ng speaker. He also believe in Holy Trinity, si Cristo siya rin daw ang Ama.
I feel that he don’t want to fully discuss and defend his faith during the Bible study or with the speaker. I am not good in speaking and in explaining, to help him realize his wrong beliefs. Much better, if he just let himself listen to Bro. Eli’s preaching and see this blog. They were misled by the teachings of their false preachers. There are really more souls to be enlightened…
ENTENG ASKED, “Topic: Who’s the REAL JEWS in the Philippines? Iglesia ni Cristo or Iglesia ng Dios members?”
ANSWER: IGLESIA NI KRISTONG TAO NI MANALONG ANGHEL NA MABAHO ANG TUMBONG aka JEWS PHILIPPINES INC.
BASES:
1. John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
The very same thing that JEWS PHILIPPINES INC believes in.
2. . John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
JEWS PHILIPPINES INC., stoned Bro. Eli in times past, esp. in Pampanga.
3. John 10:39 ¶Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
The same thing that they are doing to Bro. Eli.
4. John 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
JEWS PHILIPPINES INC. is also a proponent of simpleng-simple. Nanunubok pa.
5. John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
The very same thing that they are doing in their tv programs now – fabricating lies, cutting tapes, etc…
No wonder why, because they said that if their god wants to lie, he can lie. Truly their father is the devil.
6. Their god, who can lie had blinded them.
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
7. Acts 13:45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
JEWS PHILIPPINES INC are also INCecure. Seeing that the members of CGI have grown in multitudes, they spoke against Bro. Eli.
8. Acts 14:2 But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren.
Sinisiraan din ang kapatiran sa mga tao ngayon ng mga JEWS PHILIPPINES INC.
9. Acts 17:5 But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.
The very same thing JEWS PHILIPPINES INC is doing – hiring immoral people to speak against persecute members of MCGI.
10. Acts 25:7 And when he was come, the Jews which came down from Jerusalem stood round about, and laid many and grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove.
JEWS PHILIPPINES INC. filing cases here and there against MCGI esp Bro. Eli. But one thing is for sure, they could not prove it.
11. Acts 25:24 And Festus said, King Agrippa, and all men which are here present with us, ye see this man, about whom all the multitude of the Jews have dealt with me, both at Jerusalem, and also here, crying that he ought not to live any longer.
JEWS PHILIPPINES INC wants Bro. Eli dead, even recommending their fellow AMURAO to pick-up Bro. Eli from the airport.
12. Acts 25:9 But Festus, willing to do the Jews a pleasure, answered Paul, and said, Wilt thou go up to Jerusalem, and there be judged of these things before me?
Government officials nowadays are willing to do the JEWS PHILIPPINES INC. a pleasure also.
TO: Tumbok,allies and other denominations like the iglesia ni manalo that believe Christ is a man…
There is no question about ur idiotic philosophies, you are
just making things worsier in your side….and most of all, you
are the instrument of the fulfillment of the prophecy in the
Bible that time will come that…… the book shall be closed up
and sealed….NONE OF THE WICKED SHALL UNDERSTAND; BUT
THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND. I think this not difficult to
understand…….the WICKED are YOU PEOPLE so try to think
where you are standing!!!!!Repent….that God may forgive YOU for your ABOMONATIONS….
TO: “ADD members,”
TOPIC: Who/How many is/are the “ONLY TRUE GOD(s)” according to Jesus?
(1) Mr. Eli Soriano’s MCGI preached: “Polytheism” = belief of “many true gods” cite Ps 82:6 “I say, “You are gods (Hebrew “elohim”), sons fo the Most High, all of you:”
(2) Mr. Eli Soriano DID NOT KNOW “context” is very IMPORTANT because if you do not read the context of the chapter, there’s a verse that says: “There is NO GOD.”
(3) What is the CONTEXT of Ps 82:1-7? WHO are the “gods” mentioned (v.6)?
Ps 82:2, 5, 7 “How long will you JUDGE UNJUSTLY and show PARTIALITY to the wicked?
They have neither knowledge nor understanding, they walk about in DARKNESS..”
Nevertheless, you SHALL DIE like men, and fall like any prince.”
God is upbrading these “gods” because they were (v.2) unjust and showed partiality to God’s peole. They are (v. 5) sinners and are (v.7) mortals. They are “Human” Judges of Israel.
(4) Who are these “gods” and Why God called them “gods”? They are “human Judges” (Othaniel, Gideon, Samson, Samuel, etc. Exodus 21:6, 22:8-9, 28), they act as God’s “REPRESENTATIVE” in providing judgement to his people; and NOT because they are “True Gods.” Jewish and Christian Bible scholars “understood” they are “human judges.”
(5) What’s the PROOF these “gods” are NOT True Gods? I Tim 1:17 says “ONLY GOD” is “IMMORTAL” versus Ps 82:7 these “elohim” (gods) are “mortals”. Take Note: ADD members, I Tim 1:17 did not say Father is immortal rather “ONLY God” is immortal.
(6) Mr. Eli Soriano “preached”: “Father = is NOT the “ONLY TRUE GOD” because even Jesus, Satan, Moses and Human JUDGES of Israel are also “true gods.”
(7) WHO and HOW MANY is the “ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD” according to our Lord Jesuscrhist? Jesus preached: Jn17:1-3 “Father = is the “ONLY TRUE GOD.”
(8) Question to MCGI, who’s telling the truth? (a) Soriano: Father is NOT the Only True God (b) Jesus: “Father is the ONLY True God (John 17:1-3)”?
(9) What does it mean “Father = is the ONLY True God”?
(9a) Mr. Eli Soriano DID NOT KNOW the prhased “Only True God” was ONLY USED ONCE in the entire Bible by Jesus in John 17:1-3 “Father = is the “Only True God.”
(9b) “ONLY” in “ONLY True God”= means “ONE ALONE” = can NOT be 2, 3 or “isang barangay.” Key word is the word “ONLY” in “ONLY True God.”
(9c) Example: If you have ONLY one correct or TRUE ANSWER in your ENTIRE TEST PAPER = this means = “ALL OTHER ANSWERS are ALL FALSE or wrong answers.” This means “all other so-called gods: Jesus, Satan, Moses, Human Judges, Eli Soriano, MCGI followers are ALL NOT TRUE or FALSE GODS.”
(9d) Jesus preached: “FATHER = is the “ONLY GOD” (John 5:44) and “ONLY TRUE GOD” (John 17:1-3). Apostles preached: “FATHER = is the “ONE GOD” (I Tim 2:5), “ONLY ONE GOD” (I Cor 8:6). God declared: “There is NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME.” (Is 45:5), so HOW can ‘human Judges” of Israel be “True Gods”?
(10) I Tim 2:5 “For there is ONE GOD (Father) and there is One Mediator (Jesus, “different” from One God Father) betwen God and men, the MAN (greek=”anthros”=man as HUMAN BEING or “tao”) Christ Jesus,”
(10a) MAN Christ Jesus = is one mediator between ONE GOD FATHER and men.
(10b) Apostle Paul wrote/preached I Tim 2:5 circa 64 A.D. about after 30 years Jesus ASCENDED to Heaven.
(10c) MCGI followers of Soriano: When you pray “today,” who is your One Mediator in your prayer to GOD? MAN Christ Jesus I Tim 2:5.
(11) God declared:
Isaiah 45:5 “I am Yahweh, and THERE IS NO OTHER, BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD;”
Isaiah 46:5 “To whom will you liken me and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be alike?”
Isaiah 46:9 “Remember the former things of old; for I am GOD, and THERE IS NO OTHER; I AM GOD, and THERE IS NONE LIKE ME,”
Psalms 90:2 “ Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God” (ONLY GOD is ETERNAL (no beginning/no end) I Tim 1:17).
Vincent Reyes
Mr. Eli Soriano preached: “SATAN is a TRUE GOD” & Jesus is an “archangel.” You better star worshipping your TRUE GOD SATAN. He he he, very FUNNY!
To: “Mr. Eli Soriano & ADD members,”
TOPIC: Mr. Eli Soriano preached: “FORM OD GOD” in Phil 2:6 means “JESUS is GOD.” “nature of God” TEV & “nature God” NIV. (Greek “morphe” = form or shape).
(1) If Apostle Paul meant Jesus is God, Apostle Paul should have simply said in Phil 2:6: “Jesus is GOD” and not “in the form of God.”
(2) If this “wooden horse figurine” is in the “form of a horse” = it means = it’s not a horse. BECAUSE if it is a real horse, you don’t need to say “form of a horse.”
(3) Mr. Soriano INTERPRETED “form of God” as “literal.” “Form of God” is not literal, because literally speaking: God is Invisible ( Tim 1:17 vs. Jesus has flesh and bones Lk 24:39. “form” = denotes “character” not “literal state of being” kaya nga TEV and NIV says “nature” = meaning, “character” as in “nature of the beast” or “human nature.” Jesus is in the “form of God” not in state of being (spirit vs. flesh), power (Almighty vs. given power), eternal (no beginning vs. has beginning), creatorship (creator vs. created) (Jn 4:24, 1:14, Gen 17;1, Jn 14:28, Mat 28:18, Ps 90:2, Rev 3:14, Is 44:24, Lk 1:35, Col 1:15) but in holiness (character, nature) Eph 4:25, I Pet 2:22 because GOD “consecrated” him Jn 10:36.
Philippians 2:5-8 “Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though is he was in the FORM OF GOD, DID NOT count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the FORM OF A SERVANT, being “BORN” in the likeness of men. And being “FOUND” in human form he HUMBLED himself and became OBEDIENT unto death, even death on a cross.””—RSV “
(4) BORN = proof Jesus is a creature of God.
(5) There’s NO SUCH THING as Humbled God, Obedient God and Dead God. Obedient husbands marami. Meron ba namang MAPAGPAKUMBABANG Diyos, MASUNURING Diyos at Diyos na namatay/patay ng 3 araw?
(6) Phil 2:8 “Therefore, God has highly “exalted” him and “bestowed” him the name which is above every name,”
(6a) Why God “exalted” Jesus? BECAUSE he “humbled himself” and “obedient to death.”
(6b) “exalted” (Greek “elevated”/raised) = There is Someone who “elevated” / “raised” Jesus to his “position” = meaning he does not inherently possessed exalted position.
(7) No where in Phil 2:6-11 says “Jesus is God”
God commanded us to worshipped Jesus as “LORD” (not God) for the glory of the Father. God is “glorified” if we worshipped Jesus as Lord.
(8) Remember: Jesus said: Father = is the “ONLY God” and “ONLY True God” = therefore, Jesus can NOT be “GOD” or “TRUE GOD” because “ONLY” = means “ONE ALONE” = can NOT be 2, 3 or “isang barangay.”
(9) On Judgement Day: JESUS is a “MAN.”
Acts 17:31 “Because he (God) has fixed a day (Judgement Day) on which he (God) will judge the world in righteousness by a MAN (Christ) whom he (God) has appointed, and of this he (God) has given assurance to all men by raising him (Christ) from the dead.”
God appointed Christ, a MAN to judge the world.
Vincent Reyes
To: “Mr. Eli Soriano & ADD members,”
TOPIC: Mr. Eli Soriano preached ABRAHAM “saw” Christ (Christ’s state of being) in John 8:56 even BEFORE Christ was born.
Bible: John 8:56 “Your father ABRAHAM rejoiced that he was to see “MY DAY”; he SAW “it” and was glad.”
Question #1 to Mr. Eli Soriano: Did Abraham see: (a) Christ’s state of being or, (b) the day of Christ (my day)? Answer: (b) “my day” (or “the Day of Christ”).
Question #2: Did Jesus said in John 8:56 Abraham: (a) saw ME (Christ), or (b) saw “it” (the Day of Christ) ? Answer: (b) verse says Abraham saw “it” (the Day of Christ).
(1) When and How did Abraham see “the Day of Christ”?
(2) Heb 11:13 Abraham had “SEEN it.”
(3) What did Abraham “saw,” what was the pronoun “it” refers to? Heb 11:16 Abraham “SAW” the “heavenly city” (Obviously thru VISION = the way apostle John SAW the “heavenly city” Rev 21:1-2)
(4) WHEN will people “inherit” the “heavenly city”? WHEN is Christ’s Day or ” the day of the Lord”? I Thes 4:15-17, II Peter 3:7-12. When Christ RETURNS or on “the day of the LORD.”
Vincent Reyes
To: “Jet, Mr. Eli Soriano & ADD members,”
TOPIC: WHO are the Present-Day JEWS in the Philippines who possessed JEWS MENTALITY in John 10:33? Iglesia ni Cristo or Iglesia ng Diyos International (daw)?
(1) Jet, you cited several verses that has NO CONNECTION whatsoever with John 10:33-36. Is that your “evation tactics”? NICE TRY.
(2) Jn 10:33 “The Jews answered him, It is not the good work that we stone you but for BLASPHEMY; BECAUSE you, being a man, MAKE YOURSELF GOD.”
Take NOTE: JEWS false accusation to Jesus: “Blasphemy=making himself GOD”
(3) HOW did Jesus ANSWER the JEWS?
John 10:36 “do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, “You are BLASPHEMING (making MYSELF GOD), “B-E-C-A-U-S-E” I said, “I am THE SON OF GOD?”
(4) Jesus asked the Jews: BECAUSE I said “I am THE SON OF GOD” = I’m BLASPHEMING or making myself “GOD”?
(5) BECAUSE Jesus said: He is “THE SON OF GOD” = JEWS “understood” this = Jesus meant he is “GOD” = this is BLASPHEMY = punishable by STONING TO DEATH.
(6) Did Jesus says: (a) He is GOD (b) He is GOD the SON, or (c) he is THE SON OF GOD?
Answer: “the SON OF GOD” = this is NOT blasphemy because Heavenly angels, Christians and ADAM are called SONS OF GOD.
(7) IF Jesus said: “HE is GOD” or “GOD the SON” = this is BLASPHEMING = he is claiming to be “GOD.”
(8) When Jesus said he is “the SON OF GOD” = Mr. Eli Soriano/followers & JEWS = understood this = “Jesus meant HE IS GOD.”
(9) WHO are the PRESENT-DAY JEWS in the Philippines? “The SON OF GOD = means “GOD”? ADD members, CONGRATULATIONS! You must built STATUES and THANKED the “JEWS” = for having the “SAME MENTALITY.”
Vincent Reyes
PS: It says in Luke 3:38 ‘ADAM, “THE” Son of God’ RSV, NIV, KJV, TEV, Phillips, etc.
(not “a” SON OF GOD)
To: “Mr. Eli Soriano & ADD members,”
TOPIC: What is WRITTEN in Hebrews 1:8(a) “O THEOS” or (b) “HO THEOS”?
(1) “ALL” Ancient Greek New Testament Manuscripts in Heb 1:8 says (Greek Interlinear);
“to but the son, the throne of you “the GOD” into the age of the age”
(2) Greek grammarian will translate this correctly & GRAMMATICALLY in English as: “GOD is your throne forever and ever” as translated by Goodspeed, Moffatt, Lamsa, NWT, even RSV “or”
(3) the MOST IMPORTANT THING that you MUST UNDERSTAND in “all” Ancient Greek New Testament Manuscripts in Heb 1:8
(3a) what is written: “ho theos” = “the GOD”
in “all” ancient Greek NT manuscripts.
(3b) “O theos” = “O GOD” = is NOT found in “all” ancient Greek New Testament Manuscripts.
(3c) Preposition “O” in “O GOD” is NOT FOUND in all Ancient Greek NT manuscripts.
(4) REASON why “manY” Modern Day Translations rendition of Heb 1:8
“Your throne, O GOD, is forever and ever.” is BECAUSE they followed KJV (not from Ancient Greek NT Manuscripts but from Vulgata Latina) due to “theological” reason. (what else?)
(5) If you FOLLOW Greek Interlinear/Ancient Greek NT Manuscripts in Heb 1:8
“Your throne, GOD, is forever and ever.”
= is the same as =
“God (Father) is your (Christ’s) throne forever and ever.”
(6) Gets nyo na or HINDI nyo pa rin ma-gets, or baka ayaw nyo lang ma-gets?
Vincent Reyes
I believe there is no more explanation greater to what Bro. ELI SORIANO had said…That is it already…Jesus Christ is not a mere man He is GOD!!! The begotten of the FATHER.
He was even brought forth before the dust of this world created.PROVERBS 8:22-30. So thats why Jesus Christ is not a man for He even existed before the components of man has being made the dust…How come He is a aman then?
Bro. Eli Soriano is really genius preacher…!!! Thanks God Because of Bro. Eli I have been enlighted and also many people had been aware of there faith. Through Bro. Eli Soriano…Believe me…You will never Get Wrong In Knowing and Understanding The Words of GOD.!!!
Bro. Eli Is One Of Kind!!!
John 3:24, Prov. 3:13,18
ENTENG,
I tried to answer your foolishness a lot of times now. After many hours of thinking, I thought to myself, maybe, God is saving me from committing any more sins by retaliating to your ignorance and blindess brought about by your father and his ministers.
There is no better correction, reproof, and rebuke from the bible than that of Bro. Eli. Certainly, I am no better than him. Not even an eighth or sixteenth. That should speak for itself.
God knows what kind of people are those who believes that the Lord Jesus Christ is just a mere man. According to Him, cursed are them.
But we wrestle not with flesh and blood, unlike you, JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC.
TO VINCENT: (1) If Apostle Paul meant Jesus is God, Apostle Paul should have simply said in Phil 2:6: “Jesus is GOD” and not “in the form of God.”
DOM: Let’s read the complete verse: Philippians 2:6-8: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Do you mean that St. Paul is wrong in saying that Jesus Christ “in the form of God”? Marunong ka pa ke Pablo? Why not write your own bible?
In verse 7: took upon him the FORM of a servant: Is Christ HERE IN THE FORM OF ASERVANT? DEFINITELY!
In verse 8: “was made in the likeness of Men”: If Jesus Christ is a Man… why was he still MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN?
In verse 8: “And being found in fashion as a man”: Are you not considering this verse? If He is already a man… why will He be found in fashion as a man? ESEP ESEP!
In verse 6 again: “in the form of God”: I ask you again… acc. to Paul: IS JESUS CHRIST IN FORM OF GOD OR IN FORM OF MAN? Marunog ka pa ke Pablo!
You are posting different explanations of various Bible scholars of different religions… di ba, it is clearly written in your PASUGO, kapag di na sa INC ang aral… SA DEMONYO NA? Hows that, now? Can I conclude now that what you are posting are the teachings of THE DEVIL? Kayo me sabi niyan!
KELAN MANGANGARAL SI MANALO SA TV o RADIO? KAYA BA NIYANG MAGPASURI O MATANONG MAN LANG UKOL SA ARAL! (Haggai 2:11)!
Our Bro. Eli is always in the forefront to answer queries of diff religions. KAYA BA NG SUGU-SUGUAN MO? Are you not wondering why you’re “ANGEL” can’t face this challenge? ARE YOU NOT WONDERING? ESEP ESEP, VINCENT!
GETS MO?
Kapag ito na ang ISSUE para patunayan ang KAKAYANAN ng isang SUGO… TAKOT NA KAYO! MULTO SA INYO ANG ISSUE NA ITO.
GETS MO?
To: Vincent_Reyes2005, Mr. Tumbok, and all INC Members
Brothers, yes you are true that there is only one original GOD
which is our FATHER in heavens but remember Jesus Christ said we have to imitate the original.
“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Matyhew 5:48)
What we are going to imitate? To be perfect
and what can make us perfect brothers?
Practice make perfect.
What we should practice?
“As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.” (John:15:9)
Therefore:
The original love the mediator and the mediator love us and we continue that love to our neighbor or fellow so that we are only one in spirit which is LOVE.
and GOD is a spirit .
and the truth is the product of the spirit.
So brother do you believe now the GOD(LOVE) JESUS CHRIST?
If yes, then Whosoever who wants and under GOD mercy shall live according to justice.
EYES
ENTENG,
1. You said, “(1) Jet, you cited several verses that has NO CONNECTION whatsoever with John 10:33-36. Is that your “evation tactics”? NICE TRY. ”
The other verses just shows how the ways of JEWS PHILIPPINES INC now with the JEWS in Jesus’ time are alike. They just prove that INCecure are really the JEWS PHILIPPINES INC.
Read it again. Kayong-kayo talaga yun!
a. The very same thing that they are doing in their tv programs now – fabricating lies, cutting tapes, etc…
b. JEWS PHILIPPINES INC are also INCecure. Seeing that the members of CGI have grown in multitudes, they spoke against Bro. Eli.
c. John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
JEWS PHILIPPINES INC., stoned Bro. Eli in times past, esp. in Pampanga.
d. Sinisiraan din ang kapatiran sa mga tao ngayon ng mga JEWS PHILIPPINES INC.
e. The very same thing JEWS PHILIPPINES INC is doing – hiring immoral people to speak against persecute members of MCGI.
f. JEWS PHILIPPINES INC. filing cases here and there against MCGI esp Bro. Eli. But one thing is for sure, they could not prove it.
g. JEWS PHILIPPINES INC wants Bro. Eli dead, even recommending their fellow AMURAO to pick-up Bro. Eli from the airport.
h. Government officials nowadays are willing to do the JEWS PHILIPPINES INC. a pleasure also.
2. You said, “Jn 10:33 “The Jews answered him, It is not the good work that we stone you but for BLASPHEMY; BECAUSE you, being a man, MAKE YOURSELF GOD.”
Take NOTE: JEWS false accusation to Jesus: “Blasphemy=making himself GOD””
Look at how crooked the understand of these JEWS PHILIPPINES INC really is.
a. MCGI is not saying that Jesus is a man. JEWS PHILIPPINES INC is saying Jesus is a man. JEWS during Jesus’ time said He is a man.
Who are the jews now then? tadadadantanan! JEWS PHILIPPINES INC.
b.MCGI believes Jesus is God. Jews in Jesus’ time believed that He is just making himself God. JEWS PHILIPPINES INC does not believe that Jesus is God either.
Who are the jews now then? tadadadantanan! JEWS PHILIPPINES INC.
Jesus did not need to make Himself God. Because He was really God.
BON VOYAGE! You just won for yourself TICKETS to HELL, courtesy of your father, the DEVIL. BADBYE! 🙂
ENTENG,
You said, “(6) Did Jesus says: (a) He is GOD (b) He is GOD the SON, or (c) he is THE SON OF GOD? Answer: “the SON OF GOD” = this is NOT blasphemy because Heavenly angels, Christians and ADAM are called SONS OF GOD. (7) IF Jesus said: “HE is GOD” or “GOD the SON” = this is BLASPHEMING = he is claiming to be “GOD.”
”
Di ka ba kinikilabutan sa pinagsasabi mo? HEAVENLY angels daw? How about MANALO – ANG SUGU-SUGUAN SA SARILI NA ANGHEL NA MABAHO ANG TUMBONG? HAHAHA! EARTHLY ANGEL YUN – SON OF THE DEVIL. DEVIL INDEED!
Well, heavenly angels, of course excluding manalo are really called sons of God. And also christians, etc… BUT:
a. Jesus Christ is THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD – THE – DEFINITE ARTICLE
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
BEGOTTEN
G3439
μονογενής
monogenēs
mon-og-en-ace
From G3441 and G1096; only born, that is, sole: – only (begotten, child).
b. BUT, the christians, etc… and them that believe on His name, were given power to become sons of God.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
See the difference? Well, your father who awarded you tickets to hell blinded you.
ENTENG,
2. You said, ” If you FOLLOW Greek Interlinear/Ancient Greek NT Manuscripts in Heb 1:8 “Your throne, GOD, is forever and ever.”
= is the same as =“God (Father) is your (Christ’s) throne forever and ever.”
Certainly I will NOT follow you. Look how wicked your misunderstanding is. WALA SA TAMANG KATINUAN. PALUSOT!
Imagine this, “”God (Father) is your (Christ’s) throne forever and ever.””
NONSENSE! Translate that in tagalog and you will find out how foolish you and your ministers are.
Do not forget, God the Father said this UNTO THE SON = SA ANAK = TUNGKOL SA ANAK. Following your IL-LOGIC:
***”BUT UNTO THE SON HE SAID, God (Father) is your (Christ’s) throne forever and ever.”***
FOOLISHNESS! Since when did the Father SAID TO His Son, FATHER is YOUR THRONE FOREVER AND EVER? ONLY WHEN MANALO OPENED HIS SMELLY MOUTH and ENTENG BREATHE THE BREATH OF THE DEVIL.
2. Your favorite translations conforms with that of KJV, too. Are you now saying Douay-rheims version, et.al. are suspicious? Then why are you using it to prove your man-christ?
a. About the Son, however, God said:” Your kingdom, O God, will last forever and ever! You rule over your people with justice.
Hebrews 1:8
Good News Bible
b. But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
Douay-Rheims Version
c. Ngunit tungkol sa Anak ay sinabi niya,” Ang iyong trono, O Diyos, ay magpakailan pa man, Ikaw ay maghaharing may katarungan.
Mga Hebreo 1:8
Magandang Balita Biblia
PALUSOT NG JUDIO!
You know, the Manalists accepted that Satan is the god of the world. but Christ Jesus is a man????
ahahahahahahahahaha
It will follow in their belief that Satan has higher being than our Lord Saviour.
Bro Eli is right, the Manalism is the Church of the devil
😀
Catholic Manalism destroyer,
Ally of ADD
We have already seen Hebrews 1:8 in 3 translations – good news, magandang balita, and a JEWS PHILIPPINES INC., favorite, Douay-Rheims. Now, let us look it up in 17 other translations. I just can’t help but notice #1.
1. But God says about his Son, ” You are God, and you will rule as King forever! Your royal power brings about justice.
Hebrews 1:8
Contemporary English Version
2. But vnto the Sonne he saith, O God, thy throne is for euer and euer: the scepter of thy kingdome is a scepter of righteousnes.
Hebrews 1:8
Geneva Bible
3. But God said about his Son, ” Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter in your kingdom is a scepter for justice.
Hebrews 1:8
God’s Word
4. But of the Son he says,”Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
English Standard Version
5. But of the Son he says, Your seat of power, O God, is for ever and ever; and the rod of your kingdom is a rod of righteousness.
Hebrews 1:8
Bible in Basic English
6. but as to the Son, Thy throne, O God, is to the age of the age, and a sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
Darby Bible
7. and unto the Son: ‘ Thy throne, O God, is to the age of the age; a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy reign;
Hebrews 1:8
Young’s Literal Translation
8. but of the Son he says, ” Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; The scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
The World English Bible
9. But to the Son, he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
Noah Webster
10. But about the Son he says,”Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
New International Version
11. But to the Son He says, ” Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
Modern King James Version
12. but as to the Son, ” Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom;
Hebrews 1:8
Literal Translation
13. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
King James Version
14. but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
The American Standard Version
15. Nguni’t tungkol sa Anak ay sinasabi, Ang iyong luklukan, Oh Dios, ay magpakailan man; At ang setro ng katuwiran ay siyang setro ng iyong kaharian.
Mga Hebreo 1:8
Ang Dating Biblia
16. At sinasabi naman niya tungkol sa Anak: Magpakailanman ang iyong luklukan, O Diyos, at paghahari ng katarungan ang iyong paghahari.
Mga Hebreo 1:8
Sambayanang Pilipino
17. Ngunit, tungkol naman sa Anak ay sinasabi niya, ” Ang iyong trono, O Diyos, ay magpakailanman; at ang setro ng katuwiran ang siyang setro ng iyong kaharian.
Mga Hebreo 1:8
Ang Bagong Ang Biblia
TO: Vincent reyes and other INC members….
Y don’t U come out or persuade ur leader, manalo to come to terms and fight ur cause thru a debate with Bro. Eli Soriano….. so that U can also defend ur religion and avert as early as possible the continuing withdrawal of ur members especially ur ministers that had already come to realize and know the truth about the Gospel of God……..I think and I’m really sure that with ur COWARDIZE ATTITUDE as I can say…u r hinding under the cloak of anonymity, that is the works of the devil…the spirit of GOD DOES NOT TEACH US THE SPIRIT OF FEAR BUT OF POWER OF LOVE AND OF A SOUND MIND (2 Tim 1:7) It’s funny to know that the devil which is in U has no power to overcome the POWER OF GOD within us….IF GOD BE FOR US WHO CAN BE AGAINST US!!!!!!SHAME ON YOU…..
Mabuhay ang ADD Members,,,with Bro. Eli and Bro. Daniel….
ENTENG,
1. You said, “God is upbrading these “gods” because they were (v.2) unjust and showed partiality to God’s peole. They are (v. 5) sinners and are (v.7) mortals. They are “Human” Judges of Israel.”
If this is true, was Moses also unjust? He was also god, wasn’t he?
Exodus 7:1 ¶And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Yes, he was. Now, when the Lord made him a god to Pharaoh, was he true? Did God ever made something, which is not true?
2. You asked, “What does it mean “Father = is the ONLY True God”? ” – citing verses john 5:44 and john 17:1-3 among others.
It’s a good thing that you asked. You should also consider time element. WHEN did Jesus say this? Wasn’t it WHEN the WORD, who was God, with God, and was with God in the beginning – WAS MADE FLESH? Think again!
3. You said, “Mr. Eli Soriano DID NOT KNOW the prhased “Only True God” was ONLY USED ONCE in the entire Bible by Jesus in John 17:1-3 “Father = is the “Only True God.””
For sure, Bro. Eli knows this. How come he does not know this when he knows what HOLY KISS means? Ikaw naman oo. If there are people who does not know this, they would be those who say that HOLY KISS is BESO-BESO and HANDSHAKE. 🙂
4. You cited:
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
You just don’t get it like other verses you cited. Of course, There is only one God, the Father, OF WHOM ALL THINGS ARE.
But you should also consider that LORD Jesus Christ, BY WHOM ALL THINGS ARE, was:
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:1 ¶In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
5. You also cited:
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
You really don’t have an idea about THE MAN Christ Jesus, do you? Well, your father had blinded you, so I can understand why.
This MAN Christ Jesus is the mediator BETWEEN GOD AND MEN.
But what I have read is that, the LORD Jesus Christ is the mediator OF A BETTER COVENANT, THE NEW TESTAMENT, THE NEW COVENANT.
Hebrews 8:6 ¶But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Hmmm! Esep-esep! (Eph *.**)
6. You also cited:
Isaiah 45:5 ¶I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Well, again, you should also consider time element on this. WHEN did God say this? Wasn’t this WHEN the MYSTERY was hid from ages and from generations and kept secret since the world began?
Colossians 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
…TO HIS SAINTS. WHERE?
2 Corinthians 1:1 ¶Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:
…AHA! Unto the CHURCH OF GOD! Not JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC.
7. And hey, about you mentioning John 17:1-3, haven’t you read verse 5 of that very same chapter?
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Oh, Jesus already had the glory which He had with the Father, BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.
Is He man? It’s a NO NO, enteng.
ENTENG,
1. You said, “God is Invisible ( Tim 1:17 ”
God the Father, Yes.
2. You said, “Jesus has flesh and bones Lk 24:39.”
The body which was prepared for Him, Yes.
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
But the one that dwelt in that body has none.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
3. You said, “Jesus is in the “form of God” not in state of being (spirit vs. flesh), power (Almighty vs. given power), eternal (no beginning vs. has beginning), creatorship (creator vs. created) (Jn 4:24, 1:14, Gen 17;1, Jn 14:28, Mat 28:18, Ps 90:2, Rev 3:14, Is 44:24, Lk 1:35, Col 1:15) but in holiness (character, nature) Eph 4:25, I Pet 2:22 because GOD “consecrated” him Jn 10:36.”
Hey!hey!hey! Look at you now – comparing God and Jesus. Even using VS = VERSUS = OPPOSITION. Pinagaaway ang AMA at ANAK. HAHAH! Careless!. Anyway, let’s dissect these.
a. spirit vs flesh = John 4:24, John 1:14?
ENTENG, are you now pursuaded that the WORD who was made flesh in JOHN 1:14 is JESUS? You see, you are just denying it. But a fish is really caught through its mouth. HEHEH! And you are a small one. 🙂
b. power (Almighty vs. given power) = Gen 17:1, John 14:28, Mat 28:18?
ENTENG, you must understand that we are NOT saying that JESUS is also the FATHER. God the Father is indeed greater than all including Jesus Himself.
But you really cannot deny the WORD, who was GOD, with GOD, in the beginning. The WORD was also GOD. Not GOD’s – invoking ownership (aposthrope). With, meaning an accompany. Not GOD the Father Himself also.
In fact, you used JOHN 1:14 as your reference. 🙂
c. eternal (no beginning vs. has beginning) = Ps 90:2, Rev 3:14?
c.1. Has beginning? Well, when? The wisdom said:
Proverbs 8:22 ¶The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
…24-30
BEFORE His works of old, He said.
c.2. Who is this Wisdom then? Well, He said:
***Proverbs 8:35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.***
Whoso? Isn’t this speaking of/among men, who will FIND LIFE IF THEY FIND WISDOM?
c.3. Mind you again, what did John say of the Word?
John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
c.4. Oh, how about what did Jesus say?
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
He is the LIFE. And he that believe in Him shall LIVE.
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
All that beleive shall really have LIFE through His name.
I leave you with the conclusion.
d. creatorship (creator vs created) = Is 44:24, Lk 1:35, Col 1:15?
Well, have you read this:
Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?
He who did these things mentioned here, has a son. And mind you, this is in the old testament times. As I told you, consider time element also. This is one of those best times to do so.
The verse is asking, “what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?” Can you?
If you are still blinded by your father, you really can’t.
ENTENG,
1. You said, “BORN = proof Jesus is a creature of God. ” citing Phil 2:8.
Which was born in the likeness of men? Wasn’t it the BODY that was prepared for Him when He come to the world?
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
When He COME to the world, is He of this world? No! Is He man? No! The body was in the likeness of men.
2. You said, “There’s NO SUCH THING as Humbled God, Obedient God and Dead God. Obedient husbands marami. Meron ba namang MAPAGPAKUMBABANG Diyos, MASUNURING Diyos at Diyos na namatay/patay ng 3 araw?”
Meron! Si Kristo nga yun. Ano ka ba naman? Haven’t you read this verse?
2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
In tagalog:
At inyong ariin na ang pagpapahinuhod ng ating Panginoon ay pagliligtas; na gaya rin naman ni Pablo, na ating minamahal na kapatid, na ayon sa karunungang ibinigay sa kaniya, ay sinulatan kayo;
II Pedro 3:15
Ang Dating Biblia
LONGSUFFERING – PAGPAPAHINUHOD
Nagpapihinuhod ang Panginoon ng mga Kristyano. Pero ang dios ng JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC., PWEDE magsinungaling sabi ni PAULPAUL GUEVANA. Giba na talaga!
3. You said, ” No where in Phil 2:6-11 says “Jesus is God”
God commanded us to worshipped Jesus as “LORD” (not God) for the glory of the Father. God is “glorified” if we worshipped Jesus as Lord. ”
There is. You are just blinded by your father for you not to see.
Your SUGU-SUGUANG ANGHEL NA MABAHO ANG TUMBONG instructed you JEWS PHILIPPINES instructed you to WORSHIP JESUS, who is according to his hallucinations is a MAN.
The angel of God in the book of revelations told John to what? WORSHIP GOD!
God even said CURSED be the man who trusts in man (jer 17:5). And Paul admonished christians to let anyone preaching any other gospel than what they have preached to be ACCURSED (gal 1:8). That is you, JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC
4. Let me ask you then, where in Rev 7:2 can you read, “FELIX MANALO IS AN ANGEL”?
Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
In fact, these things are pertaining to the children of Israel in verse 4 onwards.
Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5. You said, “(9) On Judgement Day: JESUS is a “MAN.”
Acts 17:31 “Because he (God) has fixed a day (Judgement Day) on which he (God) will judge the world in righteousness by a MAN (Christ) whom he (God) has appointed, and of this he (God) has given assurance to all men by raising him (Christ) from the dead.”
You still really don’t have and idea about that MAN, do you?
Imagine this. You worship a christ who is a man and a creature according to you. Then, you are no different from your mother, the harlot who:
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
ENTENG,
You said, “TOPIC: Mr. Eli Soriano preached ABRAHAM “saw” Christ (Christ’s state of being) in John 8:56 even BEFORE Christ was born.”
Do not forget verse 58.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Just like what you did rev 7:2, you also forgot or you just ignored verse 4.
That is the trademark of JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC. as shown in cutting ADD’s tapes and fabricating lies.
TO VINCENT:
Ang tigas ng puso, grabe!!!!
Anyway… let’s continue this debate. Let’s say… we will simplify this issue just for you to understand.
I know you will avoid to answer this very very simple question. That’s the ways of INCs everytime that they are be cornered.
Kaya mo ba? Itutuloy ba natin? Then let’s get it on! (Huwag ka sanang matiyope!)
Vincent… can you tell me HOW YOU EXIST in this world?
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Thank you!
Now, can you tell me HOW DID JESUS CHRIST EXIST in this world?
Answer:_____________________________________
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Thank you again! Now ulit, can you tell me if YOU and JESUS CHRIST EXIST IN THIS WORLD THE SAME MANNER?
Answer:_____________________________________
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Hoping that the 3rd answers spaces will not remain blank… forever! And if you are not going to answer this VERY ELEMENTARY question…. NAIINTINDIHAN ka na namin! He he!
To VINCENT:
I believe CENON RAISED HIS WHITE FLAG already, if i’m not mistaken! He believed that Jesus Christ existed before Abraham based on Bro. Eli’s verses’ presented.
IYAN ANG TUNAY NA LALAKI!
How about you, VINCENT?????
TO VINCENT:
VINVCENT: (9b) “ONLY” in “ONLY True God”= means “ONE ALONE” = can NOT be 2, 3 or “isang barangay.” Key word is the word “ONLY” in “ONLY True God.”
(9c) Example: If you have ONLY one correct or TRUE ANSWER in your ENTIRE TEST PAPER = this means = “ALL OTHER ANSWERS are ALL FALSE or wrong answers.” This means “all other so-called gods: Jesus, Satan, Moses, Human Judges, Eli Soriano, MCGI followers are ALL NOT TRUE or FALSE GODS.”
DOM: Lets read the verse again:
Psalm 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
Posters’, let me introduce to you the NEW BIBLE WRITER by name of VINCENT. and read his new version of the verses
Psalm 82:1 FALSE GOD standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the FALSE GODS.
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Version naman ng naggagalinggalingaang writer na ang pangalan ay VINCENT:
Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are FALSE GODS; and all of you are children of the most High.
Vincent, I ask you, based on your conclusion from the verses that the gods mentioned are… false gods?:
Can you accept that the children of the Most High are FALSE GODS? Masyado kang PAKIALAMERO! Magsisi ka na while there is still time. Are you better than what God had said?
The verses are clear. Pinadidilim lang ng sarili mong paliwanag. Taga-Diliman kasing aral!
As I told you, write your own Bible. Change everything you want to change especially the Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ.
NASAAN NA ANG MANALO MO? WALAAAAAA!!!!
BY Vincent Reyes
TO: “ADD members,”
4) Who are these “gods” and Why God called them “gods”? They are “human Judges” (Othaniel, Gideon, Samson, Samuel, etc. Exodus 21:6, 22:8-9, 28), they act as God’s “REPRESENTATIVE” in providing judgement to his people; and NOT because they are “True Gods.” Jewish and Christian Bible scholars “understood” they are “human judges.”
QUESTION:Are these Jewish and Christian Bible Scholars are all INC members, which most of your teaching came from them?
A big NO. Then what is the belief of your SUGO about them that are not members of your church – they are of the devil and already sentenced to lake of fire (hell).
You can confirm it to your PASUGO magazine.
Now it is very safe to conclude that your teachings were from the devil.
Only show that your SUGO is the number one “mamumulot”. And what is funny, sa kaaway pa namulot. Naku naman, tigas talaga ng ulo.
i hope this one will be posted although a little off topic please please please
For sure, Bro. Eli knows this. How come he does not know this when he knows what HOLY KISS means? Ikaw naman oo. If there are people who does not know this, they would be those who say that HOLY KISS is BESO-BESO and HANDSHAKE. 🙂
i have debated to an INC member in youtube.com personal message (i think that guy, kristan27, was vincent reyes, but im not 100 % sure) and this was what he sent to me regarding holy kiss (i really laughed out loud because of his idiocy), i will not post what i replied to him since i dont remember it completely. just a thing to look/read at. (note: he even used the “!!” in one of his paragraphs indicating that he is proud of their “holy kiss” hahaha)
from kristan27 of youtube.com
1st message) Oo tama ka! hindi nilulunok ang plema, pero ang sinasabi ko ay kaayosan lang! O ikaw kaya mo ba na dumura kahit sa naka live sa TV or halimbawa sa coference room or sa makinis na sahig?.. kahit grade1 pa ay hindi ginagawa ang pagdura sa kahit saan at alam mo yan.
ikaw tanongin kita ano ang banal na halik?
pero para mas madali sagutin ko nlang po ang banal na halik, ay halik na pagpapasalamatan at mabuting pagbati Tama po ang sabi ng Ministro sa INC na ang banal na halik ay BESOBESO!, hindi PAGNANASA NA HALIK.. at ang banal na halik ay marami po itong kahulugan kagaya sa pagpapasalamat,pagbati, at besobeso na halik!!
The holy kiss is a traditional Christian greeting.
Different Protestant, Reformed and Restorationist churches have readopted the holy kiss either metaphorically (in that members extend a pure, warm welcome that is referred to as a holy kiss) or literally (in that members kiss one another). This practice is particularly important among Mennonites
2nd message) Cheek kissing is a ritual or social gesture to indicate friendship, perform a greeting, to confer congratulations, to comfort someone, or to show respect. It does not necessarily indicate sexual or romantic interest. (i really dont know, and he didnt told me where he got this “explanation”, just ask him >.>)
3rd message) Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet. (Luke 7:45)
And in Jesus’s parable of the prodigal son, the father greeted the son with a kiss:
And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck and kissed him. (Luke 15:20)
And we know that Paul was greeted with a kiss by those in the early church:
“And they wept sore, and fell on Paul’s neck and kissed him.” (Acts 20:37)
well, i will post the 4th message separately since it was somewhat vulgar personal and irrelevant allegations to the members of church of God and to brother Eli… i dont know if they will not allow the 4th message due to some inappropriate allegations
clieanjay
kristan27 of youtube.com’s 4th message regarding our holy kiss informal debate “TARANTADO” “GAGO” “ULOL” with each other. It was a sweet word for ADD members to greet each other that way, it was Ang Dating Daan of Eli Soriano’s version of holy kisses.
that’s it, i think he lost some bullets to fire that’s why he did a little personal attack to brother Eli and to us. exactly what INCM ministers are doing all this years, divert attack, and mislead people and issues
On https://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/09/christ-the-wisdom-of-god/ cenon said…
5 cenon
*waves the white flag*
i have no reason to continue and head on in this debate, so sorry for those people waiting my next objection (especially wroedel). destroying the stand that “Christ only existed when mary beggoten Him” is a huge blow and will automatically destroy the belief that “christ is a man” because He existed before Abraham.
check it yourselves
ENTENG,
You must have run out of bullets. Go to your ministers of satan for more.
Just because you have read a MAN in the bible, you readily took it to be so without even considering other facts within.
EAT THIS!
Psalms 22:6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
Is He man? Oh NO, enteng!
TO KRISTAN of youtube,
You said, “1st message) Oo tama ka! hindi nilulunok ang plema, pero ang sinasabi ko ay kaayosan lang! O ikaw kaya mo ba na dumura kahit sa naka live sa TV or halimbawa sa coference room or sa makinis na sahig?.. kahit grade1 pa ay hindi ginagawa ang pagdura sa kahit saan at alam mo yan.”
What now then? Just because Bro. Eli is like this, Jesus is a mere man already?
1. The prophet Moses was slow of speech.
Exodus 4:10 ¶And Moses said unto the LORD, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.
He even slew an egyptian.
Exodus 2:12 And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that there was no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.
2. The apostle Paul had a thorn in the flesh.
2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
3. Elisha was bald.
2 Kings 2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
***Hey, these are men of God. And they all had their shortcomings. So what’s wrong with that?
The thing is that, the words of God are committed to faithful men.
2 Timothy 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
The fact that Bro. Eli understands all these things that he understood, makes all these allegations of the JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC. null and void in the sight of God.
Bro. Eli must be faithful and wise for him to understand these things.
Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
And there is no man who is very much like him, who will naturally care for our states nowadays, like Paul in his time.
Philippians 2:20 For I have no man likeminded, who will naturally care for your state.
To God be the Glory forever and ever! Amen!
I wonder where ENTENG is. His ministers must have scolded him when he spread satan’s doctrine. He must have hid in his cave like his ANGEL-MANALO NA MABAHO ANG TUMBONG hid in his palace.
I remember what ALMEDA and his cohorts always say. CAST OUT! HEHEHE! COME OUT MANALO! COME OUT ENTENG! 🙂
What you said to us, flips back to you!
to Jet
if you want kristan to read your reply then email him to youtube.com, just search kristan27 or just go to the video “Dios ng Israel”, he sah his message there that’s why i emailed him. then he replied that first message. he might not read that message you posted because there might be a possibility that he is not loging in this blogsite.
anyway, i do remember i said to him that holy kiss can be sent to a letter, yet he didnt and he wasnt able to oppose it. i also told him that i put that 2nd message in a bible search engine and said “no words or phrase found, wala sa bible yang sinasabi mo” if you are going to notice, he mistakenly said that the kiss that was kissed in the neck of Paul was a greeting. he also said (i highlighted in bold letters) that “And we know that Paul was greeted with a kiss by those in the early church:”
i think it wass either derived from the “ang tamang daan” or from pasugo. but if you are going to notice, he stated another protestant and other beliefs to support his “holy kiss”:
The holy kiss is a traditional Christian greeting.
Different Protestant, Reformed and Restorationist churches have readopted the holy kiss either metaphorically (in that members extend a pure, warm welcome that is referred to as a holy kiss) or literally (in that members kiss one another). This practice is particularly important among Mennonites
ibig sabihin, inadopt din ng INCM ang holy kiss based sa pag adopt ng mga protestant groups na “litterary”
after i replied to him for the 3rd time, he then sent me the 4th message, and i concluded that he cant penetrate either of his church’s claim.
To: “ADD members,”
Reply to Lyn #41
(1) Jesus preached he is a MAN Jn 8:40, apostles preached Jesus is a Man I Tim 2:5,
Mr. Eli Soriano preached he is a NOT a Man.
Who’s anti-Christ then? Who’s Anti-Apostles?
(2) Who will you believed? (a) Mr. Eli Soriano: Jesus is NOT a man (b) Jesus & Apostles: Jesus is a Man Jn 8:40, I Tim 2:5
(3) Speaker in Prov 8:22-30 is NOT Jesus but God’s personified “wisdom” read Ps 82:1-2, 12. If Jesus is the literal personified wisdom, then Jesus must share a house with a person named Prudence. What is WRITTEN is personified Wisdom in Ps 8:1-2, not Jesus Christ.
(4) Jesus never preached: “He is God.” Bible never said: “Jesus is God.”
Vincent Reyes
To: Mr. Eli Soriano, Dominik & ADD members,
Reply to Dominik’s #43
(Dominik said: In verse 6 again: “in the form of God”: I ask you again… acc. to Paul: IS JESUS CHRIST IN FORM OF GOD OR IN FORM OF MAN? Marunong ka pa ke Pablo!)
Vincent’s reply:
Paul said Jesus is in the “form of God” not “God.” Dominik’s interpretation: “form of God” = means “God.” If Paul meant Jesus is “God,” Paul should have simply says “Jesus is God” not “in the form of God.” BECAUSE if Jesus is God, there is “NO NEED” for Paul to say Jesus is in the “form of God.” WHERE in the Bible says: Father is the “form of God”? Father is NOT in the “form of God” because Father = is “God.” Mr. Eli Soriano didn’t even know “form” (Greek “morphe”) denotes character not state of being since God is invisible I Tim 1:17 versus Post-Resurrected Jesus is flesh Luke 24:49, a human Gen 6:3. Take note: I Tim 1:17 did not say Father is invisible, rather “God” is invisible. Dominik, ikaw ang mas PANTAS pa kay Apostol Pablo because Paul “did not say Jesus is God” contrariwise, your personal interpretation: “form of God” = means “God.” Paul will NEVER CONTRADICT himself, he said Jesus = is one mediator MAN (Greek “anthros” = man as Human Being or “tao”).
(Dominik: “In verse 7: took upon him the FORM of a servant: Is Christ HERE IN THE FORM OF ASERVANT? DEFINITELY!”In verse 8: “was made in the likeness of Men”: If Jesus Christ is a Man… why was he still MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN?)
Vincent’s reply: Phil 2:7 “taking the FORM OF A SERVANT (in Greek “slave”). Jesus “took” the “form of a SLAVE” (slave from the bondage of sin) again FORM is “figurative” because Jesus paid for our sin. Verse 8 “being BORN in the likeness of men.” “Born” = means
“created” = meaning Jesus was created like men = a Human Being (John 1:14 “flesh”, John 8:40 Greek “anthros”=human being or “tao”). Dominik used “made,” this means “created”, therefore, Jesus is a “creature”, isn’t it? “God” is “uncreated,” Ps 90:2 did not say Father but “God is uncreated” since to you Jesus is God, Is Jesus “uncreated or “born/made/created”? Jesus was born, made/created.
(Dominik: You are posting different explanations of various Bible scholars of different religions… di ba, it is clearly written in your PASUGO, kapag di na sa INC ang aral… SA DEMONYO NA? Hows that, now? Can I conclude now that what you are posting are the teachings of THE DEVIL? Kayo me sabi niyan!)
Vincent’s reply: Mr. Eli Soriano always quote Pasugo “out-of-context.” These Cathlolic/Protestant/Trinarian Christian scholars “agree” with God’s words, not “contradicting God’s words.” Only their doctrines that are against the words of God \are “doctrines of the Devil” and not their “unbiased, bible-based commentaries” that agreed with the Bible. Don’t you have “enough common sense” to figure this out? Esep, esep. Didn’t you know Catholics/Protestants also preached to: “Love your neighbors (not spread black propaganda/bad mouth others who belong to different faith), adultery, fornications, etc. = are these “doctrines” against the will of God? I know this preacher who accused INC as murderers. Ever wondered who murdered Romy Espanol after writing a letter to Bro. Erano that INC is the true church? Esep, esep.
(Dominik said: MANGANGARAL SI MANALO SA TV o RADIO? KAYA BA NIYANG MAGPASURI O MATANONG MAN LANG UKOL SA ARAL! (Haggai 2:11)! Our Bro. Eli is always in the forefront to answer queries of diff religions. KAYA BA NG SUGU-SUGUAN MO? Are you not wondering why you’re “ANGEL” can’t face this challenge? ARE YOU NOT WONDERING? ESEP ESEP, VINCENT!
GETS MO? Kapag ito na ang ISSUE para patunayan ang KAKAYANAN ng isang SUGO… TAKOT NA KAYO! MULTO SA INYO ANG ISSUE NA ITO.GETS MO?)
Vincent’s reply: Mr. Eli Soriano & his MICs did not show up on a pre-arranged debates in Batangas/Laguna & Tarlac. Mr. Soriano refused to debate ordinary ministers of INC in Davao and Cavite. Mr. Soriano refused to debate Bro. Bularan and Bro. Ventillacion. Any time, any where INC ministers are READY for Mr. Soriano and all his MICs; it is Mr. Eli Soriano that REFUSED to debate INC ministers, with palusot of “puno-sa-puno.” INC’s puno is Christ Jn 15:5, Col 1:18; Puno nyo si Mr. Soriano. He he he. Esep, esep.
Vincent Reyes
To: Eyes,
Reply to Eyes, #44
Vincent’s reply:
EYES, you must have a “kind heart” I hope someday you’ll BELIEVED the words of God in the Bible. Jesus preached: “FATHER = is the “ONLY TRUE GOD” (Jn 17:1-3) & Apostles AFTER Jesus ASCENDED to heaven preached: Father = is the “ONLY ONE GOD” not “ORIGINAL” God) I Cor 8:6.
Vincent Reyes (I’m just an orindary member of Iglesia ni Cristo and I never held any office/duty inside the INC. My intention is not to belittle/degrade your belief & religion; but to “share” little knowledge I learned from INC. I’m not preaching; since I’m not authorized to preached.)
To: “Mr. Soriano, Jet & ADD members,”
reply to Jet’s #45
WHO are the present-day JEWS who possessed the “SAME MENTALITY” as the JEWS that falsely accused Jesus of “blasphemy (or making himself “GOD”) in John 10:36?
Vincent’s reply:
(1) Question #1 to Jet: “Which church advertised the slogan: “Son of God” = is “God”? (a) Iglesia ni Cristo (b) Iglesia ng Diyos?
(2) Question #2: Which church has the “SAME MENTALITY of the JEWS” when Jesus said he’s “the SON OF GOD” = they understood it & preached Jesus meant “He is GOD”? (a) Iglesia ni Cristo (b) Iglesia ng Diyos?
(3) Question #3 When ACCUSED by the JEWS he is “making himself GOD;” did Jesus says he is (a) God? (b) God the Son? (c) Son of God?
(4) Question #4 Jet, if Ang Dating Daan preached “Son of God = is “GOD,” ADD members: Whose sons are you? (a) Son of Satan (b) Son of God?
(5) Question #5 Jet if you say you’re a Son of God; then does it mean you’re (a) blaspheming and making yourself “GOD” (b) you’re “God” (c) It means you’re God’s child but not God?
what’s your FINAL ANSWERS?
(6) In John 10:36 Jesus REPLIED to the “JEWS” & “MCGI”: “WHY are you accusing me of BLASPHEMY (making myself “GOD”) “BECAUSE” I said: “I’m the SON OF GOD?”
(7) Jesus meant he is NOT blaspheming or “making himself GOD” simply because he said he is the Son of God. If HE is GOD, Jesus should have replied: I’m NOT blaspheming because I am “GOD” or I’m “God the Son.”
(8) The term “the SON of GOD” and “GOD the SON” are completely different. “God the Son” is NOT in the Bible. Heavenly angels (Job 1:6), Christians (Rom 8:19) are called “THE SONS OF GOD.” Adam was called “THE SON OF GOD” Luke 3:38 (RSV). These are BIBLICAL PROOF: “the SON GOD” does not mean GOD.”
(9) Mr. Eli Soriano’s doctrine is BLASPHEMY! Mr. Eli Soraino COPIED the doctrines of Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnessess & Mr. Armstrong that them & their followers will be “TRUE GODS” (polytheism) too in the future.
(10) I Cor 8:6 “yet for unto “us” (True Christians), there is ONLY ONE GOD, the Father (not Jesus, Satan, Moses, human Judges of Israel, etc..), who is the creator of all things”
(11) I Cor 8:6 pronoun “us” refers to the “True Christians,” they believed: Father (along/singular, not: Father, Jesus, Satan, Moses, human Judges, etc..) = is the only (singular) one (singular) God (singular) who is (singular) the creator (singular) of all things.”
(12) Any preachers who do not preached: “Father = is the ONLY TRUE GOD, is creator of all things” are not False Preachers/not True Christians. Apostles preached I cor 8:6 long AFTER Jesus ascended to heaven.
Vincent Reyes
To: “Mr. Soriano, Jet & ADD members,”
Vincent’s (INC member) reply to Jet’s #46
[Jet, an ADD member, used Heb 1:5 & Jn 1:18 Jesus the “only Begotten Son” = therefore, “Jesus is God”:
(a) Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels he said at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
(b) John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Vincent’s (Iglesia ni Cristo member) reply:
(1) Both verses, Heb 1:5 & John 1:18, did not say because Jesus is the only begotten son of God = therefore, “Jesus is God.” This is what Jet and Mr. Eli Soriano “tried to project.”
(2) Jesus was “begotten” is a biblical proof Jesus is not God because God is “unbegotten” Ps 90:2. Begotten = means there was “a point in time that Jesus did not yet exist;” because “begotten” is past particle tense of “beget.” This contradicts the doctrine of Mr. Eli Soriano: Jesus “has No Beginning.”
(3) Since all of us were begotten by our parents, this means: (a) there was “a point in time we did not yet exist,” (b) and it means we did not co-exist at the SAME TIME with our parents. If “only begotten” means “no beginning” = where in the Bible says: Father was begotten?
(4) God said in Heb 1:5 “..he SHALL be to him a SON” is a Biblical proof Jesus is NOT God because this means: “there was a point in time, the Son did not yet exist,” because “SHALL be to me a Son” means he is NOT yet Son; therefore: Jesus is Not Eternal Son. Again, this contradicts the doctrine of Mr. Eli Soriano, Jesus “has No Beginning.”
(5) Mr. Eli Soriano preached “there was never a point in time that Jesus did not exist.” Was there “a point in time God begotten Jesus”? Yes, Heb 1:5 “…TODAY (point in time) I have begotten you.” (RSV) This contradicts Mr. Eli Soriano’s doctrine: Jesus has “No Beginning.”
(6) Heb 1:5 “God NEVER said to any angels: You are my Son..” Catholics Jerusalem Bible. This is a biblical proof: Jesus is “not one of God’s heavenly angels” (take Note: “God NEVER said to ANY ANGELS”) contrary to Mr. Eli Soriano’s doctrine: Jesus is “one of God’s angels; an archangel.” Mr. Eli Soriano did not know, Jewish Bible scholars knew Cherubim (like Satan) and Seraphim are “superior” to “archangels.” Book of Daniel said: Archangel Michael is “one of the archangels” = means Jesus has “peers” or “equals” if Jesus is an archangel. Mr. Eli Soriano copied Jehovah’s Witnessess doctrine that Jesus is an “archangel.”
(7) John 1:18 All Ancient Greek Manuscripts do not have the word “man”: “No ONE has ever seen God” RSV TEV NEB JB Phillips, etc. Mr. Eli Soriano used KJV & NIV translations to alleged “Jesus is NOT a Man.”
(8) God is Invisible I Tim 1:17 therefore, God per se can NOT be “literally SEEN.” The “context” is on the following clause: “the only begotten son who is in the bosom of the Father, he had MADE HIM KNOWN” (RSV). How did Jesus MADE KNOWN the Father? John 17:1-3 Father..eternal life to “KNOW” you the “ONLY TRUE GOD.” Since Father = is the “only True God” = this means = “all others can NOT be True Gods because Father (alone, singular) = is the “ONLY” TRUE God.” So, HOW can Jesus (and others like Satan, Moses, Human Judges, etc) be TRUE GODS?
(9) Mr. Eli Soriano interprets “in the bosom of the Father” = means Jesus “pre-existed” in Heaven, “IN GOD’S (literal) BOSOM.” Contrary to Mr. Eli Soriano’s doctrine: God has no literal bosom because God is Spirit John 4:24, Invisible I Tim 1:17. Greek grammarians understood this as “figurative,” a term of endermeant, meaning Jesus “is CLOSEST to the Father’s HEART” Protestant New English Bible/Catholics Jerusalem Bible.
(10) How is Christ the “ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD (Jn 1:18),” different from Christians as “adopted SONS OF GOD” (Gal 4:5-6)? Does it mean Jesus is God and has No Beginning?
Answer: Luke 1:35 “the Holy Spirit will COME UPON you (Mary), and the POWER (Holy Spirit) of the Most High (God) will OVERSHADOW you (Mary); therefore the child (human being) to be born (creature/created) will be called HOLY(because created by “HOLY” Spirit), THE SON OF GOD (not “GOD” nor “God the Son”).”
(11) How is Jesus as “only begotten son of God” different from Christians as “adopted sons of God”? UNLIKE all of us, God created Jesus thru the “HOLY SPIRIT” by “coming upon” and “overshadowing” Mary. This is CONTRARY to Trinitarians, Jehovah’s Witnessess &MCGI’s Mr. Eli Soriano’s doctrines: Spirit-Christ-God literally came down from heaven and went inside Mary’s womb and stayed there for 9 months before he was born. Ever wonder what the Spirit-Christ-God thinking while “inside” Mary’s womb for 9 months? But you might say if Jesus was “created” by the Holy Spirit = then, Jesus was “no created” by God? Holy Spirit is the “POWER of GOD” Luke 1:35. Your powerful right hand punch = is not another person equal with you.
Jet, gets mo na or hindi pa rin talaga ma-gets?
Vincent Reyes
ENTENG 69,
Unfortunately for you, we are not accusing Jesus of blasphemy. Because we really believe that He is God.
However, you JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC. also believes that He is just a mere man, like those jews in during His time.
1. Advertised? Look at how you choose your words. You are really well versed with your corporation. Did the Church of God sell it? The apostle Paul of the Church of God preached it.
Acts 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
2. That is not the understanding of the Jews. What they understand is that Jesus was just a man who was making Himself God.
John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
And that is exactly what JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC. believes in.
If only they understood the Lord of glory, they would not have crucified Him.
1 Corinthians 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
3. This is what Jesus answered.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
4. Jesus Christ is THE only begotten Son of God. ONLY – AND NOTHING MORE.
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
BUT, On the other hand, those who receive Him and believe in His name were GIVEN the power to become sons of God.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Is that so hard to understand?
5.6.7.8. There is only one BEGOTTEN Son of God (Heb 1:5).
But you cannot deny it that those whom the word of God came are called gods (John 10:35).
And they that receive Him and believe in His name are GIVEN the power to become sons of God (John 1:12).
Is that so hard to understand? You should also notice the capital letters from the small ones. 🙂
PAULIT-ULIT!
9. Ha? Who did came from other religious groups before FOUNDING (Read your registration. He founded it.) his church – IGLESIA NI KRISTONG TAO NI MANALO? Answer: FELIX MANALO – a.k.a. SUGU-SUGUANG ANGHEL NA MABAHO ANG TUMBONG NA NAPASUBO.
Never did Bro. Eli come from any other.
Jeremiah 30:21 And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the LORD.
10.11. 1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
…GOD THE FATHER – OF WHOM ALL THINGS ARE.
…JESUS CHRIST – BY WHOM ARE ALL THINGS.
How about the word?
John 1:1 ¶In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
🙂 BY WHOM ALL THINGS ARE – IN THE BEGINNING, WAS GOD, WITH GOD.
12 1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
MCGI confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (John 1:1-3, 14, 18; Heb 10:5; Rom 9:5).
Romans 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
…flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC. believes that Jesus is man. You are not of God. Yours is the spirit of antichrist. Even then, your fellow. And now, you come.
ENTENG 70,
1. Rev 7:2 did not say, ‘MANALO IS AN ANGEL’ also. 🙂 Do not forget verse 8:
Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
2.3. You are like a dog barking at its shadow on a wall. Be reminded that you are not talking to members of the born again movement, but the MCGI. Compose yourself.
We are not saying JESUS(who was begotten) is ALSO the FATHER(who was not begotten) for you to compare them.
Emphatically, Jesus who is the ONLY begotten Son of God is not God the Father.
But you cannot really deny this:
John 1:1 ¶In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
…The Word was God.
4. Ha? The Son did not exist? When? Mind you of this.
Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?
…What is His son’s name? The bible is asking. Can you tell?
5. You said, “Mr. Eli Soriano preached “there was never a point in time that Jesus did not exist.””
That is just your conclusion when we believe that Jesus is Word who was God and with God, in the beginning. Read again 2.3.
What Bro. Eli preaches is that:
Proverbs 8:22 ¶The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
6. You said, “Book of Daniel said: Archangel Michael is “one of the archangels” = means Jesus has “peers” or “equals” if Jesus is an archangel.”
Do you really know what ARCHANGEL mean? CHIEF ANGEL. cheif = head.
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
…THE archangel = definite article
Was there any archangel in the book or revelations who fought against the dragon?
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
…Angels, yes. But any other archangels? None!
7. Ha?
G3762
οὐδείς
oudeis
oo-dice’
Including the feminine οὐδεμία oudemia
oo-dem-ee’-ah and the neuter οὐδέν ouden oo-den’
From G3761 and G1520; not even one (man, woman or thing), that is, none, nobody, nothing: – any (man), aught, man, neither any (thing), never (man), no (man), none (+ of these things), not (any, at all, -thing), nought.
Who else are being referred there? DOGS? Like your ministers? SERPENT? Like your father?
8. Again, compose yourself. Read again 2.3.
You cited 17:1-3. Read verse 5.
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
…The glory which Jesus had with the Father BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.
JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC. preaches that Jesus only existed when mary delivered Him from birth. 🙂
9. Little did this JEWS know, even only a few days after an egg cell and sperm cells unites, a new being already exists. And not only when that being is delivered from birth.
So, when you ask a WOMAN-member of JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC. the age of the child in her womb, she will answer, oh no not yet, I’ll tell you when he/she comes out. HAHAH! 😉
The other thing is, Jesus was not formed through the unity of a sperm cell and an egg cell like men. So is He man then? 😉
And one more, JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC. preaches that Jesus was in the MIND of the Father? Where can you read that from the bible? NOWHERE! Only in MANALO’S BLINDED MIND!
10. Literally? Ha? You said, “Ever wonder what the Spirit-Christ-God thinking while “inside” Mary’s womb for 9 months?”
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
I do not wonder. I don’t think highly than what I should think. Unlike you JEWS.
Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
Why? You? Have you ever wondered what you were thinking when you were mother’s womb? When you could not do that, how can you do Jesus’?
But you cannot deny this:
Romans 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
…THE FLESH CHRIST CAME, WHO IS OVER ALL, GOD BLESSED FOR EVER. AMEN.
Yes, I already got the point that the IGLESIA NI KRISTONG TAONG-TAO NI MANALO NA SUGU-SUGUANG ANGHEL NA MABAHO ANG TUMBONG NA NAPASUBO is really the JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC.
JAY,
Thanks. Anyways, that goes out not only to kristan. But also to his fellows like ENTENG, who might visit this site.
ENTENG 68,
1. Cited 17:1-3 again.
Read 17:5 again.
2. Cited 1 cor 8:6 again.
Read John 1:1-3 again.
3. You said, “My intention is not to belittle/degrade your belief & religion; but to “share” little knowledge I learned from INC. I’m not preaching; since I’m not authorized to preached”
…not to belittle/degrade our belief & religion? Isn’t that exactly what you are doing? Well, I remember, our PERSON also! HAHAH! 😉 That is the foolishness that you learned from your ministers.
a. One of your ministers did the DIRTY FINGER in one of our expositions.
b. He denied being a minister of JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC. “Miyembro lang daw”, sabi nya. SINUNGALING talaga! Like your father, the devil (John 8:44).
c. One of your ministers, who did not enlist himself as one of those who will ask Bro. Eli in one of our expositions, stole the turn of a muslim who was about to ask Bro. Eli. Your minister’s name was not even called. And he went on his way stirring up the crowd and speaking lies against Bro. Eli in front of them.
Acts 13:45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
Acts 13:50 But the Jews stirred up the devout and
honourable women, and the chief men of the city, and raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts.
You are really the JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC.
ENTENG 666,
1. You said, “Jesus preached he is a MAN Jn 8:40, apostles preached Jesus is a Man I Tim 2:5,”
a. The one speaking in John 8:40 is indeed man. Because, that is what your forefathers, the JEWS, seek to kill.
John 8:40 But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.
Remember:
John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
b. It does not say A MAN in 1 Tim 2:5, like what you wrote. Careless! What it says is:
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
…THE MAN. The man Christ Jesus is the mediator between God and men. But mind you this:
Hebrews 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
…MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT.
Esep-esep!
c. You asked, “Mr. Eli Soriano preached he is a NOT a Man.
Who’s anti-Christ then? Who’s Anti-Apostles?”
You, JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC.
1 John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
We confess He come in the flesh. If he come, is He from this world? Is He man? No! The flesh was man. But the one that dwelt in it was not.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
You say He is man.
2. Read 1 again.
3. Personified? Invention!
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Be afraid!
4. Bible never said, “MANALO IS ANGEL”. Not even a son of angel. Well, your father, the devil is. Still, not that of God. But, SON OF THE DEVIL, YES!
ENTENG 76,
1. . You said, “Born” = means
“created” = meaning Jesus was created like men = a Human Being (John 1:14 “flesh”, John 8:40 Greek “anthros”=human being or “tao”). ”
I think, you are really persuaded now that the one who was made flesh in JOHN 1:14 is JESUS CHRIST! HAHAH! Without you even noticing it – really blinded by the god of this world (2 cor 4:4).
JESUS daw was created like men = a HUMAN BEING (JOHN 1:14″flesh”…
HAHAHAH! 😉
Have you already forgotten that WORD, who was made flesh, IN BEGINNING, WAS GOD, and WITH GOD?
John 1:1 ¶In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Layasan mo na yang relihiyon mo!
2. You said, “Vincent’s reply: Mr. Eli Soriano & his MICs did not show up on a pre-arranged debates in Batangas/Laguna & Tarlac. Mr. Soriano refused to debate ordinary ministers of INC in Davao and Cavite. Mr. Soriano refused to debate Bro. Bularan and Bro. Ventillacion. Any time, any where INC ministers are READY for Mr. Soriano and all his MICs; it is Mr. Eli Soriano that REFUSED to debate INC ministers, with palusot of “puno-sa-puno.” INC’s puno is Christ Jn 15:5, Col 1:18; Puno nyo si Mr. Soriano. He he he. Esep, esep.”
HAHAHA! Sagot ng duwag! Your puno is not Christ. Read your registration. You are founded by FELIX MANALO – a.k.a. ANG SUGU-SUGUAN ANGHEL NA MABAHO ANG TUMBONG NA MABAHO ANG TUMBONG.
Read ours and see who founded us.
Visit these sites:
…and watch how really the challenges went.
To: “ADD members,”
reply to Jet’s #47
(1) Protestant’s King James Version (KJV) & Catholics’ Douy-Rheim version both from Vulgata Latina; not based from Ancient NT Greek Manuscripts. Whereas, Today’s major Modern Day Translations are based from Ancient Greek New Testamant Manuscripts like: RSV, NEB, TEV, NAB, JB, Goodspeed, Moffatt, Lamsa, NWT, NIV, etc. Revised Standard Version (RSV) = has a reputation of closest to Ancient Greek NT Manuscripts.
(2) Most translations in Heb 1:8 Jet quoted are “para-phrased” translations. Translators of of today’s all Bible translations are Trinitarians or Binitarians.
(3) The following EXCERPTS from Bible scholars about King James Version: “Yet the KJV has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the KJV was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation. The KJV…was marred by mistakes, containing the accumulated errors of fourteen centuries of manuscripts copying.” Some of KJV’s DEFECTIVE verses are: I Tim 3:16, I John 5:7, Heb 1:8, etc.
(4) Which rendition of Heb 1:8 is CORRECT?
All Ancient New Testament Manuscripts in Heb 1:8 says “ho theos” (the God) never “o theos” (O God). “God is your throne is forever and ever” Goodspeed, Moffatt, Lamsa, NWT, RSV/NEB “or.”
Vincent Reyes
ENTENG 77,
Translate ALL these things that you have mentioned IN TAGALOG.
1. POST#40
(1) “ALL” Ancient Greek New Testament Manuscripts in Heb 1:8 says (Greek Interlinear);
“to but the son, the throne of you “the GOD” into the age of the age”
2. POST#40
(2) Greek grammarian will translate this correctly & GRAMMATICALLY in English as:
“GOD is your throne forever and ever” as translated by Goodspeed, Moffatt, Lamsa, NWT, even RSV “or”
3. POST#40
(5) If you FOLLOW Greek Interlinear/Ancient Greek NT Manuscripts in Heb 1:8
“Your throne, GOD, is forever and ever.”
= is the same as = “God (Father) is your (Christ’s) throne forever and ever.”
4. POST#77
All Ancient New Testament Manuscripts in Heb 1:8 says “ho theos” (the God) never “o theos” (O God). “God is your throne is forever and ever” Goodspeed, Moffatt, Lamsa, NWT, RSV/NEB “or.”
One thing, LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCES everyone. I am sure, all intelligent and wise people will notice.
So for the sake of clarity to everyone, TRANSLATE ALL THESE IN TAGALOG. Let us if these all make SENSE after all.
Let us see which is really which!
to jet,
i enjoyed watching the sites regarding the debate challenge to INCM..
Just want to know how to download them for me to send them to my relative thru the net…ssD po…
To: “ADD Members”
Correction (typo) to #69
12) Any preachers who do not preached: “Father = is the ONLY TRUE GOD, is creator of all things” are not False Preachers/not True Christians. Apostles preached I cor 8:6 long AFTER Jesus ascended to heaven.
should be:
(12) Any preachers who do not preached: “Father = is the ONLY ONE GOD, is creator of all things” are not True Christians but False Preachers. Apostles preached I Cor 8:6 long AFTER Jesus ascended to heaven.
Vincent Reyes
hey vincent,you said that there is no such thing as humbled God? are you crazy?read the bible first and not the pasugo before saying that recklessly..in PSALMS 113:5-6 says that God humbleth himself..
ENTENG 80,
1. You see, JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC. are really used to using the word TRUE to put emphasis in everything that they want to say. This is an evidence that they themselves have doubts within themselves.
Just think of this. God made Moses god unto pharaoh (Exo 7:1). Then this JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC. will ask, “was Moses a TRUE God? But come to think of it. Since when did God the Creator made something, which is not TRUE? Even if it is not written that Moses was made by God a true god unto pharaoh, if you really understand the bible and believe in the God in the bible, you will know that Moses was a true god unto pharaoh.
What these JEWS here in the philippines do not notice is that Moses was made god UNTO PHARAOH. Instead, they give strong signifance on wheter Moses was TRUE god or not.
Then these JEWS will say, ‘there is only one God’. Moses is not a true God.
2. You know, there is really only one God, the Father, OF whom are all things.
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
But you cannot ignore the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ, BY whom are all things, is also God.
John 1:1 ¶In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
(Remember ENTENG, you used John 1:14 as reference to Jesus who is flesh. In post #67 you said, ““Born” = means “created” = meaning Jesus was created like men = a Human Being (John 1:14 “flesh”,…”
(ENTENG, remember that the Word that was made flesh, was God, not GOD’S, in John 1:1.)
3. However, not that Jesus is also the Father but the Former is His Son. Because the Son said:
John 14:28 ¶Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
…The Father is greater than Him.
4. What is wrong if the Lord Jesus Christ is also God? Just because God said there is none else beside Him?
Isaiah 45:21 Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
Notice the phrases – from ancient time, from that time. And notice also this verse.
Colossians 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
…unto His saints. Where?
2 Corinthians 1:1 ¶Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:
…CHURCH OF GOD. Not JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC.
5. This is the reason why Angel-Manalo did not understand that.
Daniel 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
5. Even the angels were told to worship Him.
Hebrews 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
6. How about us men?
Philippians 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
7. This is why the angel in the book of revelations told John to worship God.
Revelation 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
8. Ironically, your ANGEL-MANALO told you to worship jesus-MAN, right?
But the bible said:
Jeremiah 17:5 ¶Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.
9. But, if you are going to ask how many gods are there in the bible, oh, there are many. Here is one:
Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)
10. See? Example. Ministers of JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC. – “Who is the eldest? Eh si Cain. Who is the youngest? Eh si Abel. Eeeh, ikaw naman, eeeh, simpleng-simple!” HEHEH! 😉
May you be enlightened, ENTENG.
Sis Melody,
You can visit this site and watch various videos on how to download them off youtube.
SSD din po!
Sis Melody,
I found this one easier.
SSD po.
To B. Jet,
Thanks po bro!…
Keep posting…more power to Bro. Eli and this blog…
Thanks be to GOD
TO: Vincent Reyes reply to post #68
Brother, I already believed what you said that there is only one true GOD which is our FATHER in heavens as what Jesus Christ said
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” (John17:3)
But do you believed also that:
Jesus Christ is a son of GOD
Jesus Christ is a son of Man
And by the theory of rationality:
Therefore:
Jesus Christ is a man by flesh but GOD in spirit.
and remember:
“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63)
and maybe brother you will ask that the conclusion is in contrary to John 17:3.
Don’t be bothered on that brother, do you forget the mystery of numbering system.
Number 1 can stand alone. (GOD the Father)
Number 2 can’t be a number 2 unless there is number 1. (Jesus Chist )
Number 3 can’t be a number 3 unless there is number 2 and number 1. ( This is WE ARE )
In short brother we are just only a domino effect product of number 1 no matter if your number is 1 trillion.
What we are trying to achieve now brother is how to imitate the number 1 as what Jesus christ said:
“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Matthew 5:48)
and you want to be perfect brother as what Jesus Christ said:
“Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.” (Matthew 19:21)
I already elaborate that verse (Matthew 19:21) in my previous wrote in this blog brother in fact I give a certain sample.
and thank you brother for your intention to share your little knowledge about your church belief and religion.
me too I also an ordinary member of MCGI in fact I’m just four months old in this congregation.
But the different between us is I’m not sharing my little knowledge here but rather expressing my little emotions.
EYES
I hope that this vincent is only a member of the inc ni manalo, in the same way that one of their minister who is a ‘dirty finger’ expert also claimed when he ‘gate-crashed’ into one of our expositions. I have a relative who was a former inc ni manalo and for so long, they were never allowed to read the bible unless they become minister. The way vincent presented his perverted belief that JESUS CHRIST is a man will show that he must be a minister of his false church and not just an ordinary. He is a fanatic who would not listen to reason and logic that the BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD IS GOD, who from the very beginning was with GOD as the WORD. HE came down from heaven because HE WAS GOD AND WAS with his FATHER in heaven before HE descended to save mankind, adapting a physical form of man. Short, simple biblical explanations of Bro Eli will not suffice for person like vincent who has been blinded by the bible perverted interpretations of the inc ni manalo, to suite their own ends of holding on to a dwindling membership that have found out the TRUTH as preached by Bro Eli. Come vincent and join many of your former ministers and members now enjoying the TRUE gospel of CHRIST in the true church, the CHURCH OF GOD International. You still have time to listen to Bro Eli, Bro Daniel, our ministers, workers, and members who are constantly encouraged to read and understand the bible [unlike in the inc ni manalo where members are forbidden to read the bible]. WE WORSHIP YOU AND GLORIFY YOU LORD GOD FOREVER AND EVER.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.