Jesus Christ Existed Even Before Abraham
July 7, 2007 by Bro. Eli
Mr. Tumbok’s allegations posted on the eDebate with the topic, “Is Jesus Christ Man or God”:
“Now to Abraham and his Seeds were the promises made. He does not say, ‘And no seeds’, as of many, but as of one, ‘And to your Seed’, who is Christ.” (Gal.3:16, Ibid.)
Christ is the seed of Abraham, which is why it is wrong to assert that He existed before Abraham did. It is also worthy to note that nowhere in the aforecited pronouncement of Christ, which they use as proof of His alleged pre-existence and deity, did He say, “before Abraham was, I am God.” Why then did our Lord Jesus Christ say, “Before Abraham was, I AM”? Does this mean that He had pre-existence or that He had already existed even before Abraham was born? Apostle Peter enlightens us on this regard, thus:
“Foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, He has been manifested in the last times for your sakes” (I Peter 1:20, Douay- Rheims Version)
Even before the creation of the world, our Lord Jesus Christ was already foreknown by God. Hence, what was in the beginning with God was not Christ but God’s foreknowledge of Him. Apostle Peter proves this further through His testimony:
“Him [Christ], being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God…” (Acts 2:23, NKJV)
In other words, even before God created the world, He had already planned that there would be a Messiah or Christ. But there was no Christ yet in existence in the beginning, contrary to what the proponents of the Christ-is-God doctrine would like us to believe, for He came to exist only when He was born of His mother, Apostle Paul testified:
“But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law.” (Gal. 4:4, Ibid.)
I have highlighted the allegations of Mr. Tumbok to make them easily noticeable because they are the points that we are going to clarify from the Bible. The first allegation is:
“Christ is the seed of Abraham, which is why it is wrong to assert that He existed before Abraham did.”
According to Mr. Tumbok, it is wrong to assert that Christ existed before Abraham because He is a seed of the latter. Let us clarify this.
In what aspect does the Bible consider the Lord Jesus Christ as the seed of Abraham?
(Romans 1:3) “Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh…”
Note the descriptive term being used by the apostle Paul, “seed according to the flesh”. Such term is used in the Bible to describe the birth of the Lord Jesus Christ, implying that before He was born in the flesh, He already existed in the spirit world. Remember, He was the One teaching the prophets of old by His spirit, which was in them.
(1 Peter 1:10-11) “Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.”
“Which was in them” denotes His preexistence.
Notice the following verses:
(Acts 2:30) “Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne…”
(Romans 9:4-5) “Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen.”
It is easily noticeable that concerning the flesh, and according to the flesh, Christ came from the Israelites in the lineage of David, who are descendants of Abraham. So, He is the seed of Abraham, according to the flesh; and concerning the flesh, but He was before Abraham, concerning the spirit. Thus, His quotation, “Before Abraham was, I am”.
Mr. Tumbok alleges that:
“Hence, what was in the beginning with God was not Christ but God’s foreknowledge of Him.”
This is the thinking of all people mislead by Manalo, and the proponents of Christ is man- belief. Let us examine this in the light of what is really written in the scriptures.
Consistency in thought and senses is very much needed in understanding the ‘whole truth’ in the Bible. Anybody who will extract a verse out of the consistent thought of any given topic, is taking it out of context, and therefore, misleading.
From what topic of discussion the pronouncement of the Lord Jesus, “Before Abraham was, I am” was taken? Let us examine the topic.
(John 8:38-43) “I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father. They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham’s children, ye would do the works of Abraham. But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham. Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.”
(John 8:53-5 
“Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself? Jesus answered, If I honor myself, my honor is nothing: it is my Father that honoreth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”
These discussions between the Lord Jesus Christ and the Jews are about the roots of the Jews and that of Christ. The Jews are claiming that they are children of Abraham; the Lord Jesus Christ telling them that He came from God the Father. If we are going to look closely on the aforementioned verses, Christ is disproving the allegation of these Jews that they are descendants of Abraham, and children of God. If they were of God, they should love Jesus because He came from God; if they are descendants of Abraham, then, they would do the works of Abraham. “Abraham rejoiced to see my day”, but the Jews sought to kill Him because they were not children of Abraham but, of their father — the devil.
(John 8:44) “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
What the Jews wanted to do to the Lord Jesus was not what Abraham felt when he saw His day.
(John 8:40) “But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth, which I have heard of God: this did not Abraham.”
Abraham rejoiced upon seeing the day of the Lord Jesus, unlike the Jews trying to kill Him.
When Jesus said that, “Abraham rejoiced to see my day”, the Jews said, “Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?”, the Lord Jesus Christ exclaimed, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” The rule of logic and consistency of thought dictates that what our Lord Jesus Christ meant is that He existed before Abraham was — note the verb ‘was’.
In fact, in the New Living Translation (NLT), it says:
(John 8:5 “Jesus answered, “The truth is, I existed before Abraham was even born!” NLT
And again in the Living New Testamen (LNT), it states:
(John 8:56-5 “Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day. He knew I was coming and was glad. The Jewish leaders: You aren’t even 50 years old-sure, you’ve seen Abraham! The absolute truth is that I was in existence before Abraham was ever born!”
Notice the following:
“I speak that which I have seen with my Father”
“I proceeded forth and came from God”
“Abraham rejoiced to see my day”
“Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am”
The consistent thought being expressed in the preceding pronouncements of the Lord Jesus Christ proves His pre-existence before Abraham was born. It is not just a ‘foreknowledge’ of God as Mr. Tumbok claims. Lets us investigate his erroneous conclusion in the translation he used —the DOUAY-RHEIMS VERSION:
(1 Peter 1:18-20) “Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, as gold or silver, from your vain conversation of the tradition of your fathers: But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb unspotted and undefiled, foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but manifested in the last times for you…”
In these verses, what was foreknown by God is not the being of Christ but, the redemptive power of the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb unspotted and undefiled. Of course, the blood of Christ does not yet exist before the foundation of the world because He was not yet born in the flesh, but existing in spirit. Likewise, the apostle Peter is speaking of the same foreknowledge of God.
(Acts 2:23) “Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death…”
Note the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God speaks of the redemption that will be accomplished by the blood and death of Christ in the flesh.
Mr. Tumbok alleges that Christ only existed when He was born of His mother. This is what he said:
“…for He came to exist only when He was born of His mother, Apostle Paul testified:
“But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law.” (Gal. 4:4, Ibid.)
This claim of Mr. Tumbok is neither Biblical nor scientific. Biblically and scientifically speaking, the existence of a man starts in the loins of his father.
(Hebrews 7:5) “And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham…”
Let us examine what the apostle said in Galatians 4:4.
“But when the fullness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law.”
The verse did not say that our Lord Jesus Christ only existed when He was born of His mother as Mr. Tumbok claims. But a striking truth can be noticed by an open mind.
God sent forth His Son! He was sent because He came from God. He was sent because He came from heaven. When He came, a body was prepared for Him; which was born of the woman under the law.
(John 1:1 “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
(John 6:3 “For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”
(Hebrews 10:5) “Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me…”
These verses all denote the pre-existence of Christ before He came to earth.
To be continued…
EFS
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I hope NATUMBOK NA ni mr tumbok na si Cristo ay DIOS even it is only on its 1st installment… those verses which bro Eli use is clear, and even if i’m not a member and just spectator, i won’t believe that Jesus is a Man.
To GOD be the Glory…
Thanks be to God for someone like Bro Eli.
To believe that Christ is just man is being foolish. You really do not know Christ just like those religious leaders who crucified him because of unbelief that he is not man, but God.
1Co 2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Thanks be to God for revealing this wisdom to us through the only sensible preacher in our time.
To God be the glory forever!
Amen to that…
solid punches! knocked down! the belief that Christ existed only when He was born of Mary is misleading, The proofs in science and most specially the verses after verses that Bro Eli gave cannot be disputed even by Manalo himself ! go ahead tumbok, throw more punches and the hits will smash your own belief ! poor guy ! you better leave that church of Manalo or you’ll be joining him in hell !
May God enlighten more souls through these blogs of Bro Eli ! Thanks be to God for the wisdom that God continues to give Bro Eli …. To GOD be the Glory !!!!!
We shouldn’t be surprised of Mr. Tumbok’s belief that Christ is not God because that’s what had been taught to them by their false preacher.
I once was a member of their church, indoctrinated twice (6 months each) because I failed the first one. The reason - when I was asked in the interview of who is the last messenger of God, I answered “Felix Manalo”, but the correct answer is ” Ang Sugong Kapatid na si Felix Manalo”.
Thanks God, He took me out from them. Thanks to Him for using Bro. Eli in spreading out His words.
Praise be to God !!!
To: Vincent_Reyes2005, Mr. Tumbok, and all INC Members
Jesus Christ is not GOD?
Brothers, There are so many verses of biblical writings that you are you using of; but still there is only one verse in biblical writings stated that cannot be broken.
And this is:
Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one.
Jn:10:31: Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
Jn:10:32: Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
Jn:10:33: The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
” Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?” (John 10:34)
“If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the SCRIPTURE CANNOT BE BROKEN;” (John 10:35)
But sad to say now that it is broken, because of you don’t believe it because of the reasons of maybe being an idiot, fools, hypocrit, corrupt, stupid, immoral and other evil disgusting words.
And naturally you are protesting it.
Let start in this way as what Jesus Christ said:
“O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.” (Matthew 12:34)
” A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.” *(Matthew:12:35)
What’s the intention?
The intention is that since you are not believing or doubtful that “ye are gods unto whom the word of God came” then you are not god.
And naturally you are protesting it as what the jews done to our Lord Jesus Christ.
What is god which mention in John 10:35?
Lets hear from the spy or enemy:
“For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.” (Genesis 3:5)
Brother is it mean that being god is to know good and evil?
I remember my previous writings on this blog that I say:
Commandments leads to hatred but LOVE covenant leads to conscience.
and conscience is the sense of what is right and wrong that governs somebody’s thoughts and actions, urging him or her to do right rather than wrong.
and conscience is the product of love.
Brothers, I know that you will not believe it because if you don’t believe in John 10:35 how much more in Genesis 3:5
But using on that argument:
1.) Is it the reason brother that because you don’t have conscience so you are fabricating false accusations againts our preacher without fearing to GOD?
2.) Is it the reason brother that because you don’t have conscience so your group are influencing the philippine government to eject our preacher from his homeland?
3.) Is it the reason brother that because you don’t have conscience so your group are claiming that you are the only church who will save and others are damned?
So for the questions that Jesus Christ is not GOD because in John 10:35 are not true gods?
my answer:
To be god is to be love.
as what Jesus Christ said:
“As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.” (John:15:9)
remember:
There is only one GOD who created heaven and earth and that is our GOD the FATHER in heaven.
and:
“The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.” (John 3:35)
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.” (John:3:36)
So brother do you believe now the LOVE(GOD) JESUS CHRIST?
If yes, then let me show your MERCY!
EYES
to mr.tumbok,
There’s a saying, “if you can’t beat them, join them”.
The best way to do for you is to use this verses against your ministers and right there “tumbukin mo sila”…ssD
cenon…
but what if i say that there are sons of God which is not GOd. like in IJohn 3:1? also for wroedel, what if i say those gods isnt true gods
Gayon man nang panahong yaon, sa hindi ninyo pagkakilala sa Dios, kayo’y nasa pagkaalipin ng sa katutubo ay hindi mga dios:
Mga Taga-Galacia 4:8
you ridiculously interpret that verse.
first, let me tell you that in that verse, Paul was talking to gentiles which were in galatia. those gods mentioned in Dan 2:47, Psalm 136:2, Deut. 10:17 isnt gentiles.
next, while it is a fact that they are indeed gentiles, they were in pagkaalipin/service of those “untrue gods”. now the point is, ungbang mga gods na nasa Dan 2:47, Psalm 136:2, Deut. 10:17 ay inaalipin ang mga taga galasya na mga gentil? no, so these untrue gods mentioned in galatia are the gods of gentiles not of the israelites.
Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
Galatians 4:8
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now explain this
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
I Timothy 2:5
if you are going to notice, even in their old pasugo and the pasugo i read last 2005(most probably), the punctuation mark they used after the word “Christ Jesus” is period while it was not so. the real punctuation mark is—
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
I Timothy 2:5
this is to deceive the members and ignore the following verse. anyway, i will just answer the issue in the verse “For there is one God…”, why does this verse say that there is one God while we believe that Christ is also God? well… umm… pardon me cause i thought of this much but i really cant express it in english so please bear with me if i’ll explain in tagalog
kaya sinabing “For there is one God,” kasi karugtong naman ung isa pang principle, “and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” … bakit ganun? kasi may isang Dios(hindi dalawa) na kailangan ng mediator. si Cristo ay Dios pero hindi naman Niya kailangan ng mediator e. parang ganito, there is one man and an animal need first aid in the roof top. does it follow na isa lang ang tao sa mundo? of course not. kaya lang, in that case/sentence, may ISAng tao na nangangailangan ng first aid but it doesnt follow na iisa lang ang tao sa mundo. the same in the verse, “There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;” ung Godna si Christ hindi nun kailangan ng mediator bettween Him and tao kasi Siya na ang mediator. ang nangangailangan ng mediator sa tao ay yung “isang Dios”… i hope got u my point. regarding the following verse, saka na, patutulin muna natin si vincent.
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Try to translate in Tagalog: “water BECME ice” or “Jesus was MADE Lord.” Do you translate it in Tagalog as “tubig ay NAGKATAWANG yelo” or “si Jesus ay NAGKATAWANG Panginoon.” Nagkatawang in English is reincarnated, a term not in the Bible.
you must understand that before water become ice, there will be a process that will first take place, the “solidification” or the act of turning of liquid to solid. now if the “Word” will become flesh, will there be a process that will take place? yes? but how can a Word turn into flesh?
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Philippians 2:6-7
you know, if im to use the good news bible, you lose
He always had the nature of God, but he did not think that by force he should try to remain equal with God.
Instead of this, of his own free will he gave up all he had, and took the nature of a servant. He became like a human being and appeared in human likeness.
Philippians 2:6-7
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(7) Bro. Eli Soriano: If Jesus is Father’s “co-creators” of all things, why God said he was “ALONE” and “BY MYSELF” as creator of all things in Isaiah 44:24?
indeed the Father really created all things “alone” but remember God used something or someone to create these things
“For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Colossians 1:16
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i will continue this God willing, i just ranout of time
Salamat po sa Dios, Bro. Eli. We MISSED you!!!!!!!!
TO: VINCENT, TUMBOK, INC MEMBERS
INC PRESIDING MINISTER (daw) MANALO
Read: Philippians 2:20 - For I have NO MAN LIKEMINDED, who will naturally care for your state.
Filipos 2:20 -Sapagka’t WALANG TAONG KATULAD KO ANG PAG-IISIP na magmamalasakit na totoo sa inyong kalagayan.
How’s your MAN CHRIST NOW????
Esep-esep!!!!
Hello, My name is Paul Frazier, and I have been studing the Bible for 10 years. How well do you know the old testament? I would like to show you what I know. If you are interested. Did you know that Naoh died 2006 years after God created Adam, and that Abraham was 58 when Noah died ?
To: VINCENT Post#207
You’re getting funnier everytime you answer… He he! Gotcha! Re my question to you:
Son of Man? Man!
Son of God_________________?
and your answer was… MAN! He he! Gotcha again!
Then let’s ask God Himself and not Vincent bec. of his unreliable and unbelievable answers. Nakakatawa talaga!
God, what are your sons?
Vincent, read!
Psalm 82:6 - I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Now, I ask you again… (Huwag matigas ang ulo) what is the son of God?
Answer _____________! (Sana di ka na magkamali)
Me clue ka na nga ang Panginoong Hesukristo in John 10:34 sa mga kaibigan niong HUDYO who doesn’t believe, LIKE YOU that Jesus Christ is God!
Vincent, READ again, don’t explain!
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
GISING, JEWS OF DILIMAN, QUEZON CITY… GISING!!!!
what if i say that still bro eli haven’t yet sucessfully objected the term “my day” in John 8:56 which is according to what i posted is the day of judgement and that same day was what abraham saw.
yet i must be waiting because as it is said… to be continued.
btw, i am not the one “alleging” those things, it was from pasugo as i posted
49 cenonbibejrtumbok
…btw, that very long article that i posted was from god’s message novermber 2005 volume 57 number 11 ISSN 0116-1636
wow. talagang humahagikgik ako sa tuwa kasi nandito ako sa internet shop.nakakahiya pagtumawa kka ng malakas hehehe. what Bro Eli answered is really good. indeed i cannot see a hole myself especially this
Lets us investigate his erroneous conclusion in the translation he used —the DOUAY-RHEIMS VERSION:
(1 Peter 1:18-20) “Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, as gold or silver, from your vain conversation of the tradition of your fathers: But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb unspotted and undefiled, foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but manifested in the last times for you…”
In these verses, what was foreknown by God is not the being of Christ but, the redemptive power of the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb unspotted and undefiled. Of course, the blood of Christ does not yet exist before the foundation of the world because He was not yet born in the flesh, but existing in spirit. Likewise, the apostle Peter is speaking of the same foreknowledge of God.
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now im imagining manalo hearing this, what will happen i wonder?
Mr. Tumbok,
Bro. Eli has proven clearly his faith thru the different verses of the Holy Bible that: “Jesus Christ Existed Even Before Abraham”.
May I request, You, Mr. Tumbok and company, to show verse(s) of the Bible that will prove that Jesus Christ Never Existed Before Abraham, because in all verses that you used, THERE IS NOT EVEN A SINGLE WORD TO PROVE YOUR FAITH. or better, why not convince Manalo to answer or be the one to show and prove what he had taught you!
I agree with eyes about his comment #6 above. I chose conscience, a sense of right and wrong, than hatred.
Amen!
I think mr. tumbok should be able to realize now that what he believes in is wrong according to the bible–that Christ is NOT man.
but then again, after all those “hits” which i think, are enough for anyone who is intelligent to understand, and still mr. tumbok cannot grasp the truth, just you wait!
as bro.eli said, “to be continued…”
to God be the glory!
The consistent thought being expressed in the preceding pronouncements of the Lord Jesus Christ proves His pre-existence before Abraham was born. It is not just a ‘foreknowledge’ of God as Mr. Tumbok claims. Lets us investigate his erroneous conclusion in the translation he used —the DOUAY-RHEIMS VERSION:
(1 Peter 1:18-20) “Knowing that you were not redeemed with corruptible things, as gold or silver, from your vain conversation of the tradition of your fathers: But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb unspotted and undefiled, foreknown indeed before the foundation of the world, but manifested in the last times for you…”
In these verses, what was foreknown by God is not the being of Christ but, the redemptive power of the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb unspotted and undefiled. Of course, the blood of Christ does not yet exist before the foundation of the world because He was not yet born in the flesh, but existing in spirit. Likewise, the apostle Peter is speaking of the same foreknowledge of God.
(Acts 2:23) “Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death…”
Note the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God speaks of the redemption that will be accomplished by the blood and death of Christ in the flesh.
wow, hahaha, using your adversary’s own version of bible to disprove their claim is truly a salt in the injury.
That was clearly stated by Bro Eli!.. no man in his rightful mind can contest that…
There are just blind people who cannot see the truth being explained and read to them..
hope time comes that these blind people like “tumbok” realize what Bro Eli explains..
I Thanks God for His Great Love to us, for sending us a real messenger, a real man of God that could easily untangle any misleading doctrines being propagated by these false messenger especially these diabolic race of Manalos!!!
JUNIOR,
You said, “wow, hahaha, using your adversary’s own version of bible to disprove their claim is truly a salt in the injury.”
YOUR INJURY, YES!
Imagine giving you a dose of your own poison? Bro. Eli was just using it to SHOW YOU his erroneous conclusion in the translation he used.He was just showing what TUMBOK aka SABLAY did not see, because he was blinded by your father.
AND YOU, HAVING NOT UNDERSTOOD THE INTENTION, THAT MAKES YOU, TANGA!
HAHAHA! FUNNY JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC. FOUNDED BY FELIX MANALO according to their registration - ANG ANGHEL NA MABAHO ANG TUMBONG, SUMASAMBA SA TAO.
JUNIOR,
CORRECTION - THEIRS!
SABLAY,
1. You said, “btw, i am not the one “alleging” those things, it was from pasugo as i posted”
Look who’s doing the mudslinging now! The fact that you used your pasugo, makes you allege the same thing, too. Are you now denying your pasugo? You should really do so.
2. Think of this.
Galatians 1:1 ¶Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
…not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ…
Jesus Christ is really not man after all.
TO TUMBOK
TUMBOK: what if i say that still bro eli haven’t yet sucessfully objected the term “my day” in John 8:56 which is according to what i posted is the day of judgement and that same day was what abraham saw.
yet i must be waiting because as it is said… to be continued.
DOM: What particular portion in Bro. Eli’s post that he was not successful re: the topic? It’s easy to say ‘not successful’. Madaling mag-claim…
TUMBOK: btw, i am not the one “alleging” those things, it was from pasugo as i posted
DOM: You POSTED it, coz. you BELIEVE in it. Now that you’re a member of that cult, you should cling to their belief if you’re totally convince. And if you are not a member yet of that group na ang SUGO e ANGHEL (INC’s WEIRDEST DOCTRINE)… nagpapagamit ka lang? Ano ba ang KAPALIT?
If it’s served me right… you’re a CATHOLIC belief DEFENDER before. Am I right?
A NEWSPAPERMAN should always makes his stand… on TRUTH especially.
Now with your last statement… it seems that you don’t like to take the full responsibilities to the LIES and GHOST that you have created and posted. Ngayon… NATATAKOT KA! Panindigan mo iyan!
Kawawa ka naman…
amen!
There is only one explanation why those so-called religious organization that preaches Jesus Christ is JUST a man is a liar and misleads people… it is clearly written in the ff verse:
Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried. But the wicked shall do wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.
“NONE OF THE WICKED SHALL UNDERSTAND”
“BUT THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND”
It is THE FATHER that testifies that Jesus Christ is God and it is clearly written in the ff verse:
Hebrews 1:8 (MKJV)
But to the Son He says, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8 (ASV)
but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8 (LITV)
but as to the Son, “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom;
Hebrews 1:8 (Good News Bible, favorite of INC-M)
About the Son, however, God said: “Your kingdom, O God, will last forever and ever! You rule over your people with justice.
To God be the Glory!!!
More power to Bro. Eli and to his blog, I hope that more people can read/visit this blog so that more people will be enlightened.
more power to your BLOGI ingkong!
To all Brethren:
We can’t really do anything to let Mr. Tumbok accept the fact that Bro. Eli’s rebuttal on his piece posted here is biblically unassailable. Mr. Tumbok’s reactionary stance against Bro. Eli’s is understable. First, Mr. Tumbok, is being paid for all his works. Second, it appears that Mr. Tumbok is a “masiglang” kaanib ng INC ni Manalo, and by all means he has to defend the teachings and doctrines of their church (kuno), even if he knows by heart (if got one) that their’s are unbiblical and are mostly just the inventions of Mr. Manalo. And third, Mr. Tumbok’s mind is no doubt already shrouded with evil teachings and doctrines by showing his irreverent to our Lord Jesus Christ. Mr. Tumbok’s understanding of biblical verses pictures the kind of teaching of the “sugo” he venerates.
But in view of all the glaring truth from the verses of the Bible that Bro. Eli laid down in his rebuttal, Mr. Tumbok will not just take those negation sitting down. He have to make a stand, otherwise he will be labeled “tyope” just like his rejoinder. He has to keep on punching even if he’s hitting nothing but air just to show that he is still in a fighting mode. He-heh.
In another wise, it is understandly, Mr. Tumbok’s cannot keep his silence. Remember what Michael Sandoval has said a while ago - “SILENCE means YES!” And YES here means acceptance of defeat. So how could Mr. Tumbok break off his out-of-tune rejoinder. What else can we expect from him?
Let all therefore, thank GOD for having with us Bro. Eli who is ready and willing to defend the TRUTH and GOD’S WORDS from the abuses of false Bible scholars. SALAMAT SA DIOS.
Bro. Tricks
Thanks Mr. Tumbok we expect more from you…use the new edition of the Pasugo
If you still believe that Jesus Christ is a man, it is just a lesser truth. And the absolute truth is, Jesus Christ is God according to those verses of the Bible mentioned by Bro. Eli Soriano.
Mr. Tumbok seems can no longer find anything in their pasugo to rebut what Bro. Eli posted. Now clinging to his last straw by saying:
“what if i say that still bro eli haven’t yet sucessfully objected the term “my day” in John 8:56 which is according to what i posted is the day of judgement and that same day was what abraham saw.”
This is what we call “nagpapapalakas na lang ng loob!”
Anyway it seems that Mr. Tumbok is not reading the article very carefully. If he will just add some little thinking in his reading, I am very sure that he will find the answer the he is waiting for. It is all about context Mr. Tumbok!
Anyway, we cannot expect that much from you here Mr. Tumbok - if Erano find it hard to understand the bible - much more his disciples. It a pity that Erano can swallow the fact that his members are the one doing the duty that supposed to be his - that is defending your faith. Shame on him!
On other hand - I am very proud and very privilege to say that I am a member of the Church of God whose leaders are man enough to ALWAYS defend our faith.
TO VINCENT:
Heb 1:9 “therefore GOD, your GOD, has annointed you with the oil of gladness”
Take NOTE: It says the SON RECOGNIZED GOD (GOD, your GOD).
Is 45:5 GOD said: “There is NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME.” GOD does NOT RECOGNIZED “OTHER GOD BESIDES HIM”
DOM: Another manifestation of GRAND IGNORANCE of the Bible. Definitely, you misunderstood the verse…
Read this, Vincent (I don’t have to explain and there’s nothing to explain. All you have to do is read):
Psalm 82:1 & 6: God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
82:6 - I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High
Question again: Are there other gods beside God?
Nalulubog ka sa KAMANGMANGAN MO! Pa’no, ang SUGO MO… ANGHEL… Nakatatawa! (Not in the Bible) Di ka ba nahihiya? Di nio maipagmamalaki ang sugo nio! Kahit 10 mins sa TV o radio man lang, di makapangaral! Do you know why, Vincent (gising HOY!)? It’s not a mystery… SUGO MO, WALANG ALAM SA ARAL. And you inherited it! Tsk tsk! It shows in your posts!
TO VINCENT:
Heb 1:9 “therefore GOD, your GOD, has annointed you with the oil of gladness”
Take NOTE: It says the SON RECOGNIZED GOD (GOD, your GOD).
Is 45:5 GOD said: “There is NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME.” GOD does NOT RECOGNIZED “OTHER GOD BESIDES HIM”
DOM: Another manifestation of GRAND IGNORANCE of the Bible. Definitely, you misunderstood the verse…
Read this, Vincent (I don’t have to explain and there’s nothing to explain. All you have to do is read):
Psalm 82:1 & 6: God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
82:6 - I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High
Question again: Are there other gods beside God?
Nalulubog ka sa KAMANGMANGAN MO! Pa’no, ang SUGO MO… ANGHEL… Nakatatawa! (Not in the Bible) Di ka ba nahihiya?
VINCENT: Topic: Who’s the REAL JEWS in the Philippines? Iglesia ni Cristo or Iglesia ng Dios members?
DOM: Isn’t it you have the same belief, like the Jews, that Jesus Christ is man? Our belief is that Jesus Christ is God! Now who’s the Jews in the Philippines?
Nalilito ka na… he he!
VINCENT: (1) JEWS falsely accused Jesus of BLASPHEMY = “making himself God” BECAUSE Jesus said: “he is the SON OF GOD”
DOM: So, if the Jews FALSELY ACCUSED JESUS CHRIST OF BLASPHEMY…
Then… JESUS IS RIGHT WHEN HE TOLD THE JEWS THAT HE IS GOD COZ HE IS THE SON OF GOD, Di ba? Nahihilo ka na yata. Inom ka muna ng tubig!
Isn’t that the MAIN REASON why the JEWS are STONING Jesus Christ?
Hmm… it seems that you’re leaning to our doctrines little by little na, a!
VINCENT: Question to Mr. Eli Soriano: Bro. Eli Soriano, are you SON of GOD or SON of SATAN? Siyempre ang answer ni Bro. Eli: SON OF GOD.
Is Bro. Eli “blaspheming” = Making Himself God? No.
DOM: If it’s Bro. Eli… YES! If it’s Jesus Christ, NO! Nowhere you will find in our doctrine/s that Bro. Eli is “Making himself God”. It is only Jesus Christ who has to authority to say that, because He is the begotten Son of God and never we will question His declaration.
But if we believe in our God, and He wants to call his children gods… who are we to go against His will?
Vincent, read:
Psalm 82:6 - I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Agree ka ba with this verse or not?
We are hoping, that glorious day will come, and hear Our God the Father utters in the third heaven… “I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are my children…”
If you want to remain MAN… bahala ka! Ikaw na ang gumawa ng daan mo sa KAPAHAMAKAN!
Just a little sharing…
I’m a BREAD member and in our school we once had a Bible study, and it has been discussed that Jesus is a God and not a man. After the Bible study, my classmate who is a protestant, asked me what was my belief about Jesus.
Is he a 100% God or Man?
I told him that Jesus is a God, who was made flesh.
But his belief is that Jesus is a 100% God and a 100% man. Dun lang ako nakarinig ng ganung pananampalataya.
Jesus died, he said.
Yes, I told him, because he was made flesh, nagkatawang tao nga eh.
Actually, I cannot understand his belief. According to him, “there’s a mystery why Jesus is a God and also a man. Bakit nagkatawang tao pa si Cristo para mailigtas ang mga tao, kaya naman niyang magawa yon bilang Dios. There’s a mystery there.” …our conversation ended.
Eh bakit nman mas marunong pa siya sa Dios.
Sana tinanong nya yon nung nasa bible study pa, pra napaliwanag sa kanya ng speaker. He also believe in Holy Trinity, si Cristo siya rin daw ang Ama.
I feel that he don’t want to fully discuss and defend his faith during the Bible study or with the speaker. I am not good in speaking and in explaining, to help him realize his wrong beliefs. Much better, if he just let himself listen to Bro. Eli’s preaching and see this blog. They were misled by the teachings of their false preachers. There are really more souls to be enlightened…
ENTENG ASKED, “Topic: Who’s the REAL JEWS in the Philippines? Iglesia ni Cristo or Iglesia ng Dios members?”
ANSWER: IGLESIA NI KRISTONG TAO NI MANALONG ANGHEL NA MABAHO ANG TUMBONG aka JEWS PHILIPPINES INC.
BASES:
1. John 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.
The very same thing that JEWS PHILIPPINES INC believes in.
2. . John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
JEWS PHILIPPINES INC., stoned Bro. Eli in times past, esp. in Pampanga.
3. John 10:39 ¶Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,
The same thing that they are doing to Bro. Eli.
4. John 10:24 Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
JEWS PHILIPPINES INC. is also a proponent of simpleng-simple. Nanunubok pa.
5. John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
The very same thing that they are doing in their tv programs now - fabricating lies, cutting tapes, etc…
No wonder why, because they said that if their god wants to lie, he can lie. Truly their father is the devil.
6. Their god, who can lie had blinded them.
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
7. Acts 13:45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
JEWS PHILIPPINES INC are also INCecure. Seeing that the members of CGI have grown in multitudes, they spoke against Bro. Eli.
8. Acts 14:2 But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren.
Sinisiraan din ang kapatiran sa mga tao ngayon ng mga JEWS PHILIPPINES INC.
9. Acts 17:5 But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.
The very same thing JEWS PHILIPPINES INC is doing - hiring immoral people to speak against persecute members of MCGI.
10. Acts 25:7 And when he was come, the Jews which came down from Jerusalem stood round about, and laid many and grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove.
JEWS PHILIPPINES INC. filing cases here and there against MCGI esp Bro. Eli. But one thing is for sure, they could not prove it.
11. Acts 25:24 And Festus said, King Agrippa, and all men which are here present with us, ye see this man, about whom all the multitude of the Jews have dealt with me, both at Jerusalem, and also here, crying that he ought not to live any longer.
JEWS PHILIPPINES INC wants Bro. Eli dead, even recommending their fellow AMURAO to pick-up Bro. Eli from the airport.
12. Acts 25:9 But Festus, willing to do the Jews a pleasure, answered Paul, and said, Wilt thou go up to Jerusalem, and there be judged of these things before me?
Government officials nowadays are willing to do the JEWS PHILIPPINES INC. a pleasure also.
TO: Tumbok,allies and other denominations like the iglesia ni manalo that believe Christ is a man…
There is no question about ur idiotic philosophies, you are
just making things worsier in your side….and most of all, you
are the instrument of the fulfillment of the prophecy in the
Bible that time will come that…… the book shall be closed up
and sealed….NONE OF THE WICKED SHALL UNDERSTAND; BUT
THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND. I think this not difficult to
understand…….the WICKED are YOU PEOPLE so try to think
where you are standing!!!!!Repent….that God may forgive YOU for your ABOMONATIONS….
TO: “ADD members,”
TOPIC: Who/How many is/are the “ONLY TRUE GOD(s)” according to Jesus?
(1) Mr. Eli Soriano’s MCGI preached: “Polytheism” = belief of “many true gods” cite Ps 82:6 “I say, “You are gods (Hebrew “elohim”), sons fo the Most High, all of you:”
(2) Mr. Eli Soriano DID NOT KNOW “context” is very IMPORTANT because if you do not read the context of the chapter, there’s a verse that says: “There is NO GOD.”
(3) What is the CONTEXT of Ps 82:1-7? WHO are the “gods” mentioned (v.6)?
Ps 82:2, 5, 7 “How long will you JUDGE UNJUSTLY and show PARTIALITY to the wicked?
They have neither knowledge nor understanding, they walk about in DARKNESS..”
Nevertheless, you SHALL DIE like men, and fall like any prince.”
God is upbrading these “gods” because they were (v.2) unjust and showed partiality to God’s peole. They are (v. 5) sinners and are (v.7) mortals. They are “Human” Judges of Israel.
(4) Who are these “gods” and Why God called them “gods”? They are “human Judges” (Othaniel, Gideon, Samson, Samuel, etc. Exodus 21:6, 22:8-9, 28), they act as God’s “REPRESENTATIVE” in providing judgement to his people; and NOT because they are “True Gods.” Jewish and Christian Bible scholars “understood” they are “human judges.”
(5) What’s the PROOF these “gods” are NOT True Gods? I Tim 1:17 says “ONLY GOD” is “IMMORTAL” versus Ps 82:7 these “elohim” (gods) are “mortals”. Take Note: ADD members, I Tim 1:17 did not say Father is immortal rather “ONLY God” is immortal.
(6) Mr. Eli Soriano “preached”: “Father = is NOT the “ONLY TRUE GOD” because even Jesus, Satan, Moses and Human JUDGES of Israel are also “true gods.”
(7) WHO and HOW MANY is the “ONE and ONLY TRUE GOD” according to our Lord Jesuscrhist? Jesus preached: Jn17:1-3 “Father = is the “ONLY TRUE GOD.”
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Question to MCGI, who’s telling the truth? (a) Soriano: Father is NOT the Only True God (b) Jesus: “Father is the ONLY True God (John 17:1-3)”?
(9) What does it mean “Father = is the ONLY True God”?
(9a) Mr. Eli Soriano DID NOT KNOW the prhased “Only True God” was ONLY USED ONCE in the entire Bible by Jesus in John 17:1-3 “Father = is the “Only True God.”
(9b) “ONLY” in “ONLY True God”= means “ONE ALONE” = can NOT be 2, 3 or “isang barangay.” Key word is the word “ONLY” in “ONLY True God.”
(9c) Example: If you have ONLY one correct or TRUE ANSWER in your ENTIRE TEST PAPER = this means = “ALL OTHER ANSWERS are ALL FALSE or wrong answers.” This means “all other so-called gods: Jesus, Satan, Moses, Human Judges, Eli Soriano, MCGI followers are ALL NOT TRUE or FALSE GODS.”
(9d) Jesus preached: “FATHER = is the “ONLY GOD” (John 5:44) and “ONLY TRUE GOD” (John 17:1-3). Apostles preached: “FATHER = is the “ONE GOD” (I Tim 2:5), “ONLY ONE GOD” (I Cor 8:6). God declared: “There is NO OTHER GOD BESIDES ME.” (Is 45:5), so HOW can ‘human Judges” of Israel be “True Gods”?
(10) I Tim 2:5 “For there is ONE GOD (Father) and there is One Mediator (Jesus, “different” from One God Father) betwen God and men, the MAN (greek=”anthros”=man as HUMAN BEING or “tao”
Christ Jesus,”
(10a) MAN Christ Jesus = is one mediator between ONE GOD FATHER and men.
(10b) Apostle Paul wrote/preached I Tim 2:5 circa 64 A.D. about after 30 years Jesus ASCENDED to Heaven.
(10c) MCGI followers of Soriano: When you pray “today,” who is your One Mediator in your prayer to GOD? MAN Christ Jesus I Tim 2:5.
(11) God declared:
Isaiah 45:5 “I am Yahweh, and THERE IS NO OTHER, BESIDES ME THERE IS NO GOD;”
Isaiah 46:5 “To whom will you liken me and make me equal, and compare me, that we may be alike?”
Isaiah 46:9 “Remember the former things of old; for I am GOD, and THERE IS NO OTHER; I AM GOD, and THERE IS NONE LIKE ME,”
Psalms 90:2 “ Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God” (ONLY GOD is ETERNAL (no beginning/no end) I Tim 1:17).
Vincent Reyes
Mr. Eli Soriano preached: “SATAN is a TRUE GOD” & Jesus is an “archangel.” You better star worshipping your TRUE GOD SATAN. He he he, very FUNNY!
To: “Mr. Eli Soriano & ADD members,”
TOPIC: Mr. Eli Soriano preached: “FORM OD GOD” in Phil 2:6 means “JESUS is GOD.” “nature of God” TEV & “nature God” NIV. (Greek “morphe” = form or shape).
(1) If Apostle Paul meant Jesus is God, Apostle Paul should have simply said in Phil 2:6: “Jesus is GOD” and not “in the form of God.”
(2) If this “wooden horse figurine” is in the “form of a horse” = it means = it’s not a horse. BECAUSE if it is a real horse, you don’t need to say “form of a horse.”
(3) Mr. Soriano INTERPRETED “form of God” as “literal.” “Form of God” is not literal, because literally speaking: God is Invisible ( Tim 1:17 vs. Jesus has flesh and bones Lk 24:39. “form” = denotes “character” not “literal state of being” kaya nga TEV and NIV says “nature” = meaning, “character” as in “nature of the beast” or “human nature.” Jesus is in the “form of God” not in state of being (spirit vs. flesh), power (Almighty vs. given power), eternal (no beginning vs. has beginning), creatorship (creator vs. created) (Jn 4:24, 1:14, Gen 17;1, Jn 14:28, Mat 28:18, Ps 90:2, Rev 3:14, Is 44:24, Lk 1:35, Col 1:15) but in holiness (character, nature) Eph 4:25, I Pet 2:22 because GOD “consecrated” him Jn 10:36.
Philippians 2:5-8 “Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though is he was in the FORM OF GOD, DID NOT count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the FORM OF A SERVANT, being “BORN” in the likeness of men. And being “FOUND” in human form he HUMBLED himself and became OBEDIENT unto death, even death on a cross.””—RSV “
(4) BORN = proof Jesus is a creature of God.
(5) There’s NO SUCH THING as Humbled God, Obedient God and Dead God. Obedient husbands marami. Meron ba namang MAPAGPAKUMBABANG Diyos, MASUNURING Diyos at Diyos na namatay/patay ng 3 araw?
(6) Phil 2:8 “Therefore, God has highly “exalted” him and “bestowed” him the name which is above every name,”
(6a) Why God “exalted” Jesus? BECAUSE he “humbled himself” and “obedient to death.”
(6b) “exalted” (Greek “elevated”/raised) = There is Someone who “elevated” / “raised” Jesus to his “position” = meaning he does not inherently possessed exalted position.
(7) No where in Phil 2:6-11 says “Jesus is God”
God commanded us to worshipped Jesus as “LORD” (not God) for the glory of the Father. God is “glorified” if we worshipped Jesus as Lord.
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Remember: Jesus said: Father = is the “ONLY God” and “ONLY True God” = therefore, Jesus can NOT be “GOD” or “TRUE GOD” because “ONLY” = means “ONE ALONE” = can NOT be 2, 3 or “isang barangay.”
(9) On Judgement Day: JESUS is a “MAN.”
Acts 17:31 “Because he (God) has fixed a day (Judgement Day) on which he (God) will judge the world in righteousness by a MAN (Christ) whom he (God) has appointed, and of this he (God) has given assurance to all men by raising him (Christ) from the dead.”
God appointed Christ, a MAN to judge the world.
Vincent Reyes
To: “Mr. Eli Soriano & ADD members,”
TOPIC: Mr. Eli Soriano preached ABRAHAM “saw” Christ (Christ’s state of being) in John 8:56 even BEFORE Christ was born.
Bible: John 8:56 “Your father ABRAHAM rejoiced that he was to see “MY DAY”; he SAW “it” and was glad.”
Question #1 to Mr. Eli Soriano: Did Abraham see: (a) Christ’s state of being or, (b) the day of Christ (my day)? Answer: (b) “my day” (or “the Day of Christ”).
Question #2: Did Jesus said in John 8:56 Abraham: (a) saw ME (Christ), or (b) saw “it” (the Day of Christ) ? Answer: (b) verse says Abraham saw “it” (the Day of Christ).
(1) When and How did Abraham see “the Day of Christ”?
(2) Heb 11:13 Abraham had “SEEN it.”
(3) What did Abraham “saw,” what was the pronoun “it” refers to? Heb 11:16 Abraham “SAW” the “heavenly city” (Obviously thru VISION = the way apostle John SAW the “heavenly city” Rev 21:1-2)
(4) WHEN will people “inherit” the “heavenly city”? WHEN is Christ’s Day or ” the day of the Lord”? I Thes 4:15-17, II Peter 3:7-12. When Christ RETURNS or on “the day of the LORD.”
Vincent Reyes
To: “Jet, Mr. Eli Soriano & ADD members,”
TOPIC: WHO are the Present-Day JEWS in the Philippines who possessed JEWS MENTALITY in John 10:33? Iglesia ni Cristo or Iglesia ng Diyos International (daw)?
(1) Jet, you cited several verses that has NO CONNECTION whatsoever with John 10:33-36. Is that your “evation tactics”? NICE TRY.
(2) Jn 10:33 “The Jews answered him, It is not the good work that we stone you but for BLASPHEMY; BECAUSE you, being a man, MAKE YOURSELF GOD.”
Take NOTE: JEWS false accusation to Jesus: “Blasphemy=making himself GOD”
(3) HOW did Jesus ANSWER the JEWS?
John 10:36 “do you say of him whom the Father consecrated and sent into the world, “You are BLASPHEMING (making MYSELF GOD), “B-E-C-A-U-S-E” I said, “I am THE SON OF GOD?”
(4) Jesus asked the Jews: BECAUSE I said “I am THE SON OF GOD” = I’m BLASPHEMING or making myself “GOD”?
(5) BECAUSE Jesus said: He is “THE SON OF GOD” = JEWS “understood” this = Jesus meant he is “GOD” = this is BLASPHEMY = punishable by STONING TO DEATH.
(6) Did Jesus says: (a) He is GOD (b) He is GOD the SON, or (c) he is THE SON OF GOD?
Answer: “the SON OF GOD” = this is NOT blasphemy because Heavenly angels, Christians and ADAM are called SONS OF GOD.
(7) IF Jesus said: “HE is GOD” or “GOD the SON” = this is BLASPHEMING = he is claiming to be “GOD.”
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When Jesus said he is “the SON OF GOD” = Mr. Eli Soriano/followers & JEWS = understood this = “Jesus meant HE IS GOD.”
(9) WHO are the PRESENT-DAY JEWS in the Philippines? “The SON OF GOD = means “GOD”? ADD members, CONGRATULATIONS! You must built STATUES and THANKED the “JEWS” = for having the “SAME MENTALITY.”
Vincent Reyes
PS: It says in Luke 3:38 ‘ADAM, “THE” Son of God’ RSV, NIV, KJV, TEV, Phillips, etc.
(not “a” SON OF GOD)
To: “Mr. Eli Soriano & ADD members,”
TOPIC: What is WRITTEN in Hebrews 1:8(a) “O THEOS” or (b) “HO THEOS”?
(1) “ALL” Ancient Greek New Testament Manuscripts in Heb 1:8 says (Greek Interlinear);
“to but the son, the throne of you “the GOD” into the age of the age”
(2) Greek grammarian will translate this correctly & GRAMMATICALLY in English as: “GOD is your throne forever and ever” as translated by Goodspeed, Moffatt, Lamsa, NWT, even RSV “or”
(3) the MOST IMPORTANT THING that you MUST UNDERSTAND in “all” Ancient Greek New Testament Manuscripts in Heb 1:8
(3a) what is written: “ho theos” = “the GOD”
in “all” ancient Greek NT manuscripts.
(3b) “O theos” = “O GOD” = is NOT found in “all” ancient Greek New Testament Manuscripts.
(3c) Preposition “O” in “O GOD” is NOT FOUND in all Ancient Greek NT manuscripts.
(4) REASON why “manY” Modern Day Translations rendition of Heb 1:8
“Your throne, O GOD, is forever and ever.” is BECAUSE they followed KJV (not from Ancient Greek NT Manuscripts but from Vulgata Latina) due to “theological” reason. (what else?)
(5) If you FOLLOW Greek Interlinear/Ancient Greek NT Manuscripts in Heb 1:8
“Your throne, GOD, is forever and ever.”
= is the same as =
“God (Father) is your (Christ’s) throne forever and ever.”
(6) Gets nyo na or HINDI nyo pa rin ma-gets, or baka ayaw nyo lang ma-gets?
Vincent Reyes
I believe there is no more explanation greater to what Bro. ELI SORIANO had said…That is it already…Jesus Christ is not a mere man He is GOD!!! The begotten of the FATHER.
He was even brought forth before the dust of this world created.PROVERBS 8:22-30. So thats why Jesus Christ is not a man for He even existed before the components of man has being made the dust…How come He is a aman then?
Bro. Eli Soriano is really genius preacher…!!! Thanks God Because of Bro. Eli I have been enlighted and also many people had been aware of there faith. Through Bro. Eli Soriano…Believe me…You will never Get Wrong In Knowing and Understanding The Words of GOD.!!!
Bro. Eli Is One Of Kind!!!
John 3:24, Prov. 3:13,18
ENTENG,
I tried to answer your foolishness a lot of times now. After many hours of thinking, I thought to myself, maybe, God is saving me from committing any more sins by retaliating to your ignorance and blindess brought about by your father and his ministers.
There is no better correction, reproof, and rebuke from the bible than that of Bro. Eli. Certainly, I am no better than him. Not even an eighth or sixteenth. That should speak for itself.
God knows what kind of people are those who believes that the Lord Jesus Christ is just a mere man. According to Him, cursed are them.
But we wrestle not with flesh and blood, unlike you, JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC.
TO VINCENT: (1) If Apostle Paul meant Jesus is God, Apostle Paul should have simply said in Phil 2:6: “Jesus is GOD” and not “in the form of God.”
DOM: Let’s read the complete verse: Philippians 2:6-8: 6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Do you mean that St. Paul is wrong in saying that Jesus Christ “in the form of God”? Marunong ka pa ke Pablo? Why not write your own bible?
In verse 7: took upon him the FORM of a servant: Is Christ HERE IN THE FORM OF ASERVANT? DEFINITELY!
In verse 8: “was made in the likeness of Men”: If Jesus Christ is a Man… why was he still MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN?
In verse 8: “And being found in fashion as a man”: Are you not considering this verse? If He is already a man… why will He be found in fashion as a man? ESEP ESEP!
In verse 6 again: “in the form of God”: I ask you again… acc. to Paul: IS JESUS CHRIST IN FORM OF GOD OR IN FORM OF MAN? Marunog ka pa ke Pablo!
You are posting different explanations of various Bible scholars of different religions… di ba, it is clearly written in your PASUGO, kapag di na sa INC ang aral… SA DEMONYO NA? Hows that, now? Can I conclude now that what you are posting are the teachings of THE DEVIL? Kayo me sabi niyan!
KELAN MANGANGARAL SI MANALO SA TV o RADIO? KAYA BA NIYANG MAGPASURI O MATANONG MAN LANG UKOL SA ARAL! (Haggai 2:11)!
Our Bro. Eli is always in the forefront to answer queries of diff religions. KAYA BA NG SUGU-SUGUAN MO? Are you not wondering why you’re “ANGEL” can’t face this challenge? ARE YOU NOT WONDERING? ESEP ESEP, VINCENT!
GETS MO?
Kapag ito na ang ISSUE para patunayan ang KAKAYANAN ng isang SUGO… TAKOT NA KAYO! MULTO SA INYO ANG ISSUE NA ITO.
GETS MO?
To: Vincent_Reyes2005, Mr. Tumbok, and all INC Members
Brothers, yes you are true that there is only one original GOD
which is our FATHER in heavens but remember Jesus Christ said we have to imitate the original.
“Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. (Matyhew 5:4
What we are going to imitate? To be perfect
and what can make us perfect brothers?
Practice make perfect.
What we should practice?
“As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.” (John:15:9)
Therefore:
The original love the mediator and the mediator love us and we continue that love to our neighbor or fellow so that we are only one in spirit which is LOVE.
and GOD is a spirit .
and the truth is the product of the spirit.
So brother do you believe now the GOD(LOVE) JESUS CHRIST?
If yes, then Whosoever who wants and under GOD mercy shall live according to justice.
EYES
ENTENG,
1. You said, “(1) Jet, you cited several verses that has NO CONNECTION whatsoever with John 10:33-36. Is that your “evation tactics”? NICE TRY. ”
The other verses just shows how the ways of JEWS PHILIPPINES INC now with the JEWS in Jesus’ time are alike. They just prove that INCecure are really the JEWS PHILIPPINES INC.
Read it again. Kayong-kayo talaga yun!
a. The very same thing that they are doing in their tv programs now - fabricating lies, cutting tapes, etc…
b. JEWS PHILIPPINES INC are also INCecure. Seeing that the members of CGI have grown in multitudes, they spoke against Bro. Eli.
c. John 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
JEWS PHILIPPINES INC., stoned Bro. Eli in times past, esp. in Pampanga.
d. Sinisiraan din ang kapatiran sa mga tao ngayon ng mga JEWS PHILIPPINES INC.
e. The very same thing JEWS PHILIPPINES INC is doing - hiring immoral people to speak against persecute members of MCGI.
f. JEWS PHILIPPINES INC. filing cases here and there against MCGI esp Bro. Eli. But one thing is for sure, they could not prove it.
g. JEWS PHILIPPINES INC wants Bro. Eli dead, even recommending their fellow AMURAO to pick-up Bro. Eli from the airport.
h. Government officials nowadays are willing to do the JEWS PHILIPPINES INC. a pleasure also.
2. You said, “Jn 10:33 “The Jews answered him, It is not the good work that we stone you but for BLASPHEMY; BECAUSE you, being a man, MAKE YOURSELF GOD.”
Take NOTE: JEWS false accusation to Jesus: “Blasphemy=making himself GOD””
Look at how crooked the understand of these JEWS PHILIPPINES INC really is.
a. MCGI is not saying that Jesus is a man. JEWS PHILIPPINES INC is saying Jesus is a man. JEWS during Jesus’ time said He is a man.
Who are the jews now then? tadadadantanan! JEWS PHILIPPINES INC.
b.MCGI believes Jesus is God. Jews in Jesus’ time believed that He is just making himself God. JEWS PHILIPPINES INC does not believe that Jesus is God either.
Who are the jews now then? tadadadantanan! JEWS PHILIPPINES INC.
Jesus did not need to make Himself God. Because He was really God.
BON VOYAGE! You just won for yourself TICKETS to HELL, courtesy of your father, the DEVIL. BADBYE!
ENTENG,
You said, “(6) Did Jesus says: (a) He is GOD (b) He is GOD the SON, or (c) he is THE SON OF GOD? Answer: “the SON OF GOD” = this is NOT blasphemy because Heavenly angels, Christians and ADAM are called SONS OF GOD. (7) IF Jesus said: “HE is GOD” or “GOD the SON” = this is BLASPHEMING = he is claiming to be “GOD.”
”
Di ka ba kinikilabutan sa pinagsasabi mo? HEAVENLY angels daw? How about MANALO - ANG SUGU-SUGUAN SA SARILI NA ANGHEL NA MABAHO ANG TUMBONG? HAHAHA! EARTHLY ANGEL YUN - SON OF THE DEVIL. DEVIL INDEED!
Well, heavenly angels, of course excluding manalo are really called sons of God. And also christians, etc… BUT:
a. Jesus Christ is THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD - THE - DEFINITE ARTICLE
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
BEGOTTEN
G3439
μονογενής
monogenēs
mon-og-en-ace
From G3441 and G1096; only born, that is, sole: - only (begotten, child).
b. BUT, the christians, etc… and them that believe on His name, were given power to become sons of God.
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
See the difference? Well, your father who awarded you tickets to hell blinded you.
ENTENG,
2. You said, ” If you FOLLOW Greek Interlinear/Ancient Greek NT Manuscripts in Heb 1:8 “Your throne, GOD, is forever and ever.”
= is the same as =“God (Father) is your (Christ’s) throne forever and ever.”
Certainly I will NOT follow you. Look how wicked your misunderstanding is. WALA SA TAMANG KATINUAN. PALUSOT!
Imagine this, “”God (Father) is your (Christ’s) throne forever and ever.””
NONSENSE! Translate that in tagalog and you will find out how foolish you and your ministers are.
Do not forget, God the Father said this UNTO THE SON = SA ANAK = TUNGKOL SA ANAK. Following your IL-LOGIC:
***”BUT UNTO THE SON HE SAID, God (Father) is your (Christ’s) throne forever and ever.”***
FOOLISHNESS! Since when did the Father SAID TO His Son, FATHER is YOUR THRONE FOREVER AND EVER? ONLY WHEN MANALO OPENED HIS SMELLY MOUTH and ENTENG BREATHE THE BREATH OF THE DEVIL.
2. Your favorite translations conforms with that of KJV, too. Are you now saying Douay-rheims version, et.al. are suspicious? Then why are you using it to prove your man-christ?
a. About the Son, however, God said:” Your kingdom, O God, will last forever and ever! You rule over your people with justice.
Hebrews 1:8
Good News Bible
b. But to the Son: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of justice is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
Douay-Rheims Version
c. Ngunit tungkol sa Anak ay sinabi niya,” Ang iyong trono, O Diyos, ay magpakailan pa man, Ikaw ay maghaharing may katarungan.
Mga Hebreo 1:8
Magandang Balita Biblia
PALUSOT NG JUDIO!
You know, the Manalists accepted that Satan is the god of the world. but Christ Jesus is a man????
ahahahahahahahahaha
It will follow in their belief that Satan has higher being than our Lord Saviour.
Bro Eli is right, the Manalism is the Church of the devil
Catholic Manalism destroyer,
Ally of ADD
We have already seen Hebrews 1:8 in 3 translations - good news, magandang balita, and a JEWS PHILIPPINES INC., favorite, Douay-Rheims. Now, let us look it up in 17 other translations. I just can’t help but notice #1.
1. But God says about his Son, ” You are God, and you will rule as King forever! Your royal power brings about justice.
Hebrews 1:8
Contemporary English Version
2. But vnto the Sonne he saith, O God, thy throne is for euer and euer: the scepter of thy kingdome is a scepter of righteousnes.
Hebrews 1:8
Geneva Bible
3. But God said about his Son, ” Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. The scepter in your kingdom is a scepter for justice.
Hebrews 1:8
God’s Word
4. But of the Son he says,”Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, the scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
English Standard Version
5. But of the Son he says, Your seat of power, O God, is for ever and ever; and the rod of your kingdom is a rod of righteousness.
Hebrews 1:8
Bible in Basic English
6. but as to the Son, Thy throne, O God, is to the age of the age, and a sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
Darby Bible
7. and unto the Son: ‘ Thy throne, O God, is to the age of the age; a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy reign;
Hebrews 1:8
Young’s Literal Translation
8. but of the Son he says, ” Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; The scepter of uprightness is the scepter of your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
The World English Bible
9. But to the Son, he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
Noah Webster
10. But about the Son he says,”Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
New International Version
11. But to the Son He says, ” Your throne, O God, is forever and ever. A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
Modern King James Version
12. but as to the Son, ” Your throne, O God, is forever and ever, A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom;
Hebrews 1:8
Literal Translation
13. But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
King James Version
14. but of the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever; And the sceptre of uprightness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Hebrews 1:8
The American Standard Version
15. Nguni’t tungkol sa Anak ay sinasabi, Ang iyong luklukan, Oh Dios, ay magpakailan man; At ang setro ng katuwiran ay siyang setro ng iyong kaharian.
Mga Hebreo 1:8
Ang Dating Biblia
16. At sinasabi naman niya tungkol sa Anak: Magpakailanman ang iyong luklukan, O Diyos, at paghahari ng katarungan ang iyong paghahari.
Mga Hebreo 1:8
Sambayanang Pilipino
17. Ngunit, tungkol naman sa Anak ay sinasabi niya, ” Ang iyong trono, O Diyos, ay magpakailanman; at ang setro ng katuwiran ang siyang setro ng iyong kaharian.
Mga Hebreo 1:8
Ang Bagong Ang Biblia
TO: Vincent reyes and other INC members….
Y don’t U come out or persuade ur leader, manalo to come to terms and fight ur cause thru a debate with Bro. Eli Soriano….. so that U can also defend ur religion and avert as early as possible the continuing withdrawal of ur members especially ur ministers that had already come to realize and know the truth about the Gospel of God……..I think and I’m really sure that with ur COWARDIZE ATTITUDE as I can say…u r hinding under the cloak of anonymity, that is the works of the devil…the spirit of GOD DOES NOT TEACH US THE SPIRIT OF FEAR BUT OF POWER OF LOVE AND OF A SOUND MIND (2 Tim 1:7) It’s funny to know that the devil which is in U has no power to overcome the POWER OF GOD within us….IF GOD BE FOR US WHO CAN BE AGAINST US!!!!!!SHAME ON YOU…..
Mabuhay ang ADD Members,,,with Bro. Eli and Bro. Daniel….
ENTENG,
1. You said, “God is upbrading these “gods” because they were (v.2) unjust and showed partiality to God’s peole. They are (v. 5) sinners and are (v.7) mortals. They are “Human” Judges of Israel.”
If this is true, was Moses also unjust? He was also god, wasn’t he?
Exodus 7:1 ¶And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Yes, he was. Now, when the Lord made him a god to Pharaoh, was he true? Did God ever made something, which is not true?
2. You asked, “What does it mean “Father = is the ONLY True God”? ” - citing verses john 5:44 and john 17:1-3 among others.
It’s a good thing that you asked. You should also consider time element. WHEN did Jesus say this? Wasn’t it WHEN the WORD, who was God, with God, and was with God in the beginning - WAS MADE FLESH? Think again!
3. You said, “Mr. Eli Soriano DID NOT KNOW the prhased “Only True God” was ONLY USED ONCE in the entire Bible by Jesus in John 17:1-3 “Father = is the “Only True God.””
For sure, Bro. Eli knows this. How come he does not know this when he knows what HOLY KISS means? Ikaw naman oo. If there are people who does not know this, they would be those who say that HOLY KISS is BESO-BESO and HANDSHAKE.
4. You cited:
1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
You just don’t get it like other verses you cited. Of course, There is only one God, the Father, OF WHOM ALL THINGS ARE.
But you should also consider that LORD Jesus Christ, BY WHOM ALL THINGS ARE, was:
John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
John 1:1 ¶In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
5. You also cited:
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
You really don’t have an idea about THE MAN Christ Jesus, do you? Well, your father had blinded you, so I can understand why.
This MAN Christ Jesus is the mediator BETWEEN GOD AND MEN.
But what I have read is that, the LORD Jesus Christ is the mediator OF A BETTER COVENANT, THE NEW TESTAMENT, THE NEW COVENANT.
Hebrews 8:6 ¶But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Hmmm! Esep-esep! (Eph *.**)
6. You also cited:
Isaiah 45:5 ¶I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
Well, again, you should also consider time element on this. WHEN did God say this? Wasn’t this WHEN the MYSTERY was hid from ages and from generations and kept secret since the world began?
Colossians 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
…TO HIS SAINTS. WHERE?
2 Corinthians 1:1 ¶Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:
…AHA! Unto the CHURCH OF GOD! Not JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC.
7. And hey, about you mentioning John 17:1-3, haven’t you read verse 5 of that very same chapter?
John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Oh, Jesus already had the glory which He had with the Father, BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.
Is He man? It’s a NO NO, enteng.
ENTENG,
1. You said, “God is Invisible ( Tim 1:17 ”
God the Father, Yes.
2. You said, “Jesus has flesh and bones Lk 24:39.”
The body which was prepared for Him, Yes.
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
But the one that dwelt in that body has none.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
3. You said, “Jesus is in the “form of God” not in state of being (spirit vs. flesh), power (Almighty vs. given power), eternal (no beginning vs. has beginning), creatorship (creator vs. created) (Jn 4:24, 1:14, Gen 17;1, Jn 14:28, Mat 28:18, Ps 90:2, Rev 3:14, Is 44:24, Lk 1:35, Col 1:15) but in holiness (character, nature) Eph 4:25, I Pet 2:22 because GOD “consecrated” him Jn 10:36.”
Hey!hey!hey! Look at you now - comparing God and Jesus. Even using VS = VERSUS = OPPOSITION. Pinagaaway ang AMA at ANAK. HAHAH! Careless!. Anyway, let’s dissect these.
a. spirit vs flesh = John 4:24, John 1:14?
ENTENG, are you now pursuaded that the WORD who was made flesh in JOHN 1:14 is JESUS? You see, you are just denying it. But a fish is really caught through its mouth. HEHEH! And you are a small one.
b. power (Almighty vs. given power) = Gen 17:1, John 14:28, Mat 28:18?
ENTENG, you must understand that we are NOT saying that JESUS is also the FATHER. God the Father is indeed greater than all including Jesus Himself.
But you really cannot deny the WORD, who was GOD, with GOD, in the beginning. The WORD was also GOD. Not GOD’s - invoking ownership (aposthrope). With, meaning an accompany. Not GOD the Father Himself also.
In fact, you used JOHN 1:14 as your reference.
c. eternal (no beginning vs. has beginning) = Ps 90:2, Rev 3:14?
c.1. Has beginning? Well, when? The wisdom said:
Proverbs 8:22 ¶The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
…24-30
BEFORE His works of old, He said.
c.2. Who is this Wisdom then? Well, He said:
***Proverbs 8:35 For whoso findeth me findeth life, and shall obtain favour of the LORD.***
Whoso? Isn’t this speaking of/among men, who will FIND LIFE IF THEY FIND WISDOM?
c.3. Mind you again, what did John say of the Word?
John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
c.4. Oh, how about what did Jesus say?
John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
He is the LIFE. And he that believe in Him shall LIVE.
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
All that beleive shall really have LIFE through His name.
I leave you with the conclusion.
d. creatorship (creator vs created) = Is 44:24, Lk 1:35, Col 1:15?
Well, have you read this:
Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?
He who did these things mentioned here, has a son. And mind you, this is in the old testament times. As I told you, consider time element also. This is one of those best times to do so.
The verse is asking, “what is his son’s name, if thou canst tell?” Can you?
If you are still blinded by your father, you really can’t.
ENTENG,
1. You said, “BORN = proof Jesus is a creature of God. ” citing Phil 2:8.
Which was born in the likeness of men? Wasn’t it the BODY that was prepared for Him when He come to the world?
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
When He COME to the world, is He of this world? No! Is He man? No! The body was in the likeness of men.
2. You said, “There’s NO SUCH THING as Humbled God, Obedient God and Dead God. Obedient husbands marami. Meron ba namang MAPAGPAKUMBABANG Diyos, MASUNURING Diyos at Diyos na namatay/patay ng 3 araw?”
Meron! Si Kristo nga yun. Ano ka ba naman? Haven’t you read this verse?
2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
In tagalog:
At inyong ariin na ang pagpapahinuhod ng ating Panginoon ay pagliligtas; na gaya rin naman ni Pablo, na ating minamahal na kapatid, na ayon sa karunungang ibinigay sa kaniya, ay sinulatan kayo;
II Pedro 3:15
Ang Dating Biblia
LONGSUFFERING - PAGPAPAHINUHOD
Nagpapihinuhod ang Panginoon ng mga Kristyano. Pero ang dios ng JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC., PWEDE magsinungaling sabi ni PAULPAUL GUEVANA. Giba na talaga!
3. You said, ” No where in Phil 2:6-11 says “Jesus is God”
God commanded us to worshipped Jesus as “LORD” (not God) for the glory of the Father. God is “glorified” if we worshipped Jesus as Lord. ”
There is. You are just blinded by your father for you not to see.
Your SUGU-SUGUANG ANGHEL NA MABAHO ANG TUMBONG instructed you JEWS PHILIPPINES instructed you to WORSHIP JESUS, who is according to his hallucinations is a MAN.
The angel of God in the book of revelations told John to what? WORSHIP GOD!
God even said CURSED be the man who trusts in man (jer 17:5). And Paul admonished christians to let anyone preaching any other gospel than what they have preached to be ACCURSED (gal 1:8). That is you, JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC
4. Let me ask you then, where in Rev 7:2 can you read, “FELIX MANALO IS AN ANGEL”?
Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
In fact, these things are pertaining to the children of Israel in verse 4 onwards.
Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
5. You said, “(9) On Judgement Day: JESUS is a “MAN.”
Acts 17:31 “Because he (God) has fixed a day (Judgement Day) on which he (God) will judge the world in righteousness by a MAN (Christ) whom he (God) has appointed, and of this he (God) has given assurance to all men by raising him (Christ) from the dead.”
You still really don’t have and idea about that MAN, do you?
Imagine this. You worship a christ who is a man and a creature according to you. Then, you are no different from your mother, the harlot who:
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
ENTENG,
You said, “TOPIC: Mr. Eli Soriano preached ABRAHAM “saw” Christ (Christ’s state of being) in John 8:56 even BEFORE Christ was born.”
Do not forget verse 58.
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Just like what you did rev 7:2, you also forgot or you just ignored verse 4.
That is the trademark of JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC. as shown in cutting ADD’s tapes and fabricating lies.
TO VINCENT:
Ang tigas ng puso, grabe!!!!
Anyway… let’s continue this debate. Let’s say… we will simplify this issue just for you to understand.
I know you will avoid to answer this very very simple question. That’s the ways of INCs everytime that they are be cornered.
Kaya mo ba? Itutuloy ba natin? Then let’s get it on! (Huwag ka sanang matiyope!)
Vincent… can you tell me HOW YOU EXIST in this world?
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Thank you!
Now, can you tell me HOW DID JESUS CHRIST EXIST in this world?
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Thank you again! Now ulit, can you tell me if YOU and JESUS CHRIST EXIST IN THIS WORLD THE SAME MANNER?
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Hoping that the 3rd answers spaces will not remain blank… forever! And if you are not going to answer this VERY ELEMENTARY question…. NAIINTINDIHAN ka na namin! He he!
To VINCENT:
I believe CENON RAISED HIS WHITE FLAG already, if i’m not mistaken! He believed that Jesus Christ existed before Abraham based on Bro. Eli’s verses’ presented.
IYAN ANG TUNAY NA LALAKI!
How about you, VINCENT?????
TO VINCENT:
VINVCENT: (9b) “ONLY” in “ONLY True God”= means “ONE ALONE” = can NOT be 2, 3 or “isang barangay.” Key word is the word “ONLY” in “ONLY True God.”
(9c) Example: If you have ONLY one correct or TRUE ANSWER in your ENTIRE TEST PAPER = this means = “ALL OTHER ANSWERS are ALL FALSE or wrong answers.” This means “all other so-called gods: Jesus, Satan, Moses, Human Judges, Eli Soriano, MCGI followers are ALL NOT TRUE or FALSE GODS.”
DOM: Lets read the verse again:
Psalm 82:1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
Posters’, let me introduce to you the NEW BIBLE WRITER by name of VINCENT. and read his new vers