Another idiotic claim of Atheists is that Jesus is imaginary. They even say they can prove it in less than five minutes. Many a times, I have encountered people who lie and deny the truth. But this man is a gross liar, reckless, and therefore, brainless. There are people named Santos (a Spanish word for saints), but in reality are evil. There are people whose name tells that they have brains, but they are brainless. When shall they ever grow brains? Maybe, not anymore.
This fool — not imaginary, but real, claims that he is educated and have college degrees in education. Pretending to believe in things scientific now denies the basis of his attacks towards God and the Bible.
Archeology is a branch of science. It was archeology which discovered a limestone with the name Pontius Pilate, a Roman official in the time of Tiberius Caesar who ordered the imposition of death on the Lord Jesus Christ. He was the same Pontius Pilate in the Romans History (Annals 15:44) recorded by the Roman historian Tacitus, and further confirmed by Josephus, a Jewish historian, in his book “Jewish Antiquities”, who ordered the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. How can a real person like Pilate, whose existence was proven scientifically and historically, order the death of imaginary person? Anybody who says that Jesus Christ is imaginary does not respect science: is a fool — an idiot!
(Psalms 53:1) “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.”
A normally functioning ‘BRAIN’, MUST, SHALL declare things consistently. It is abnormal for anybody to stand on a given principle and deny it afterwards. If your basis of principle is science, then, you must stand by it consistently until you have proven your cause.
(Romans 14:22) “Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.”
Physical, documentary, testimonial, analytical, and circumstantial evidences surrounding the existence of the Lord Jesus prove that He is not a myth. The discovery of Roman Coins proves the account on Matthew 22:17.
“Tell us therefore, what thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not? But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites? Show me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny. And he saith unto them, whose is this image and superscription? They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.”
The existence of ancient documents validated by science dating back to as early as 120 A.D. testifies to the works and the person of Jesus. The absence of ancient documents that disproves the existence of Jesus during those times proves that no enemy of Jesus (even the most bitter of them) did have the courage to write anything disproving His existence. In fact, what they have found are, allegedly, ancient documents like: “The Gospel of Judas”, reporting negative things about Jesus: claiming that Jesus married Mary Magdalene; have produced children by her, just to prove further that Jesus really have existed on earth. This, again, testifies to the authenticity of the Bible.
(Philippians 1:15-18) “It’s true that some preach about Christ because they are jealous. But others preach about Christ to help me in my work. The last group acts out of love. They know I have been put here to stand up for the good news. But the others preach about Christ only to get ahead. They are not honest and true. They think they can stir up trouble for me while I am being held by chains. But what does it matter? Here is the important thing. Whether for reasons that are right or wrong, Christ is being preached about. That makes me very glad. And I will continue to be glad.” NIRV
I am very much honored in believing the Lord Jesus Christ. Report that He is good, it is good! Report negative things about Him, it is good! Deny Him and His existence, it is good! Why? Because you are a fool if you deny somebody who did not exist at all.
Imagine, about thirty (30) ancient documents validated by science, written by a doctor, a lawyer, fishermen, and a tax collector of the Roman Empire — most of whom are eyewitnesses to the person, miracle, passion, death, and resurrection of Christ, being contested by a BRAINless man in our time. Tell your lies to the marines; not just to ordinary marines, but to the smartest of them — the American Marines; and I believe they will not believe you. Tell it to Dan Brown, and he will curse you: because he believes that Jesus married Mary Magdalene!
(Luke 1:1-3) “Inasmuch as many have taken in hand to set in order a narrative of those things which have been fulfilled among us, just as those who from the beginning were eyewitnesses and ministers of the word delivered them to us, it seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you an orderly account, most excellent Theophilus…”
God Bless,
EFS
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Truly magnificent!!! Fantastic!!! To God be the Glory forever and ever!!! My heart is overwhelmed by all this Biblical facts…Bro. Eli, wala kang katulad!!! Dati akong bulag, pero ngayon, nakakakita na ako…salamat sa Diyos sa isang katulad mo!!!
GOD is truly GREAT !!! To the unbelievers, search the truth before its too late ( 1 JOHN 4:1). THANKS BE TO GOD.
To use the bible as evidence thjat Jesus existed is similar to using “The Da Vinci Code” to prove that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married. The Bible, at best, is simply a compilation of stories with little–if none, at all—historical basis. The Bible was meant to function as a rulebook with an agenda, and not as a historical document. Remember that the Bible was written decades, if not centuries, after his supposed death and resurrection, and testimonial claims are not reliable, especially if it is not collaborated by someone with no agenda at all.
Instead of using the Bible as evidence, people should visit Wikipedia. It has a wealth of objective information, written by people that have no agenda whatsoever except the pursuit of truth.
OH-MY-GOD!!!!! PL-EASE!!!! Get and education! But first, READ the above statements! Archeologists (savvy?) found tablets, papyrus, etc, and uncovered that which was hidden by the hand of the deceivers. But then you come with this nonsense called Wackypedia, owned by deceitful jews, edited by mossad, and anyone, even myself, and claim THAT piece of NOTHING is reliable?? Please, Sekularista, the EX-masters of deceit are NO MORE, and will NEVER be again!
Actually, the fool says “the Bible account is just like ‘Winnie the Pooh, and Pink Unicorn’. Imagine bro. eli, they have imagined that the Bible stories is like ‘Winnie the Pooh’ (an imagined character – fable as usual) and the invisible pink unicorn. How fool are they. They decribed the unicorn as pink but they also decribe it as invisible. See how moronic these oxymoron-immuned individuals. Besides, they maliciously made fun of the talking ass in the Bible whereas letting their children amuse and be entertained of “Winnie the Pooh”. Poor people. They denied the truth what Aesop once imagined “…what if animals talk…? Well, the Bible perfectly explained why the animal (particularly the ass)was able to speak out human language!
A small point of logic. To prove that Pilate was real, and to have an (unverified) story that involves both Pilate and Jesus does not prove that Jesus was real. A silly analogy would be to say I have proof Walt Disney was real, I have many stories involving Walt Disney and Mickey Mouse, therefore Mickey Mouse was real. Doesn’t follow, does it?
Also confused as to how documents going back 120 years before Jesus’ (purported) birth could proof that he existed? We all agree he wasn’t around in 120AD so why would there be documents talking about him?
Your logic is clouded by your faith.
those athiest really dont use their brain it must be better for them to sell it in a surplus or throw it in a junkyard
To Jenny,
I am glad you read my blog. Thank you for your time. But I advice you not to be harsh in saying that what I say are unverified. Maybe you need a little research. The limestone bearing the name of Pontius Pilate who ordered the death of Jesus is a verified physical evidence. The fragment of the gospel of John was subjected to carbon dating, and believed by experts to be between 120 to 150 A.D. The last surviving apostle, who wrote the book of revelation and a witness to the existence of Jesus, lived until before the end of the first century. He was John. Ancient manuscripts of the Bible are all verified by science. The oxyrincus papyrus aged and dated back to the third century is real. These are verified documents attesting to the reality of the person of Jesus.
Your example about the many stories written about Mickey Mouse and Walt Disney is impertinent because no scientist, in his proper mind and senses, will subject the objects relating things about Mickey Mouse will to carbon dating; knowing by all areas of knowledge that Mickey Mouse is a myth. Do you not sound impertinent? A brotherly advice for you: Investigate more and learn a little of science and you will agree that Mickey Mouse of Walt Disney is not something worth of scientific investigation as the Bible and Jesus. I want you to note this, there are documents as early as 120 A.D. such as the fragment of the gospel of John that speaks of things about Jesus. I am sorry to say this, your disbelief clouds senses and understanding and what you are supposed to have learned in science
I guess the non-existence of Jesus would be a serious issue for you. For an atheist it makes no difference to anything and so can be looked at dispassionately. If Jesus of Nazareth ever did exist then he obviously wasn’t God because God doesn’t exist.
Since the town of Nazareth didn’t exist in the “first” century (yes, I know it exists NOW) it is unlikely that anyone came from there then.
But then again, so what?
Regards,
HE
kingkong is real. The Empire state building still stands to this day.
to all atheists/infidels;
this world is flooded w/ books on how to’s….supposedly to teach a person to be better(if not the best)!…look around you….read the papers….where are we heading?..i have heard so many people exclaimed that the world is going nuts or to the dogs! the BIBLE has the best stories to teach us lessons how to be wise & have a sound mind….which no other book could do…
Sekulirista the frog says:
Instead of using the Bible as evidence, people should visit Wikipedia. It has a wealth of objective information, written by people that have no agenda whatsoever except the pursuit of truth.”
Good advice for an amputated mind.
here are some of the controversial news about the vulnerable wikipedia:
Fake professor in Wikipedia storm
Internet site Wikipedia has been hit by controversy after the disclosure that a prominent editor had assumed a false identity complete with fake PhD.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6423659.stm
Wikipedia falsely reports Sinbad’s death
By KELLI KENNEDY, Associated Press Writer Fri Mar 16, 2:11 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_en_ce/people_sinbad
Last night, Stephen Colbert devoted his popular Colbert Report segment “The Wørd” to everyone’s favorite site for questionable research, Wikipedia. The word for the day was “Wikiality”, citing that, due to the site’s format, any assertion can become fact if enough of the site’s users agreed with it.
http://www.tvsquad.com/2006/08/01/did-colbert-hack-wikipedia-video/
These are only few of the evidences…
Anyway, saying that wikipedia are written in pursuit of truth is vain and barney reasoning.
You know what, your internet connection is just a waste of the bandwidth of the world. Try disconnecting it and get more sleep. 8 hours with no vices will clear your arteries and pump more blood in your brain. eat plenty of sugar, the brain needs it.
Fool atheists…
to all atheists/infidels;
this world is flooded w/ books on how to’s…supposedly how to teach a person to become better(if not the best)!….but look around you(if you have eyes that can see)!…read the papers(if you have the brains that can understand)!… Are we going there….to a better world?!!! i’ve heard many people exclaimed..that this world is going nuts..or to the dogs!…yes it is!…coz it’s written in the BIBLE!!!!! the BIBLE is full & has enough stories that would teach everyone who believes in it to be wise & have a sound mind……i don’t wonder why you have none of the above!!!!
PONDER WHILE YOU STILL HAVE TIME!
susan
Jenny says:
Also confused as to how documents going back 120 years before Jesus’ (purported) birth could proof that he existed? We all agree he wasn’t around in 120AD so why would there be documents talking about him?
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Jenny, I like the name Jenny because I am a fan of the Koreanovela Autumn in my Heart. She is a good person there and she is lovable. But seeing a Jenny here commenting foolishly here makes me sigh. If I would give name to a son, I would avoid the name Judas because of the notoriety Judas Iscariot portrayed in the Bible. So I advice you take care of your name by avoiding saying things as reckless as this…
As the Bible says…
Pro 22:1 A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold.
The documents found as the gospel of John dating about 120 AD is the earliest manuscript fragment of the new testament that has ever been seen. It is the earliest found.. there could be more earlier than these but not yet found. That doesn’t make it void. But if I would follow your muddy steps, then consider this evidences..
The earliest copies of Homer’s work was 400 BC, 400 years after it was written on 800 BC. that does make Homer unreal?
Plato’s earliest copies of his writings has a gap of 1300 years after it was written.
Tacitus’ Annals has a 1000 year gap when he wrote it at 100 AD. 20 copies of it was made on 1100 AD.
Ok, ill give a writing with the shortest gap of dissemination.
Galileo Galilei died on 1642. The first complete edition of his writings was published at Florence on 1842 to 1856.
Compute it.. you can use google, type 1842 – 1642.
what do you get? 200 years…
If the gospel of John, granting without accepting was only written at 120 AD? Does John becomes fallible?
But as I say before, it is the earliest found. If they found a manuscript of John dating 200 AD, it is the earliest, but they can still find a more earlier, as they have indeed. You know what, as I heard from Bro. Eli, acquiring knowledge requires time..Be patient.. don’t be reckless.
May God enlighten you…
to Happy Evolute…
Why did you say God doesn’t exist? do you prove your claim?
If God don’t exist, your existence will be questionable.
1) If I am to prove the existence of Dr. Jose Rizal (The Philippine’s National Hero) by using a book entitled "Life of Rizal" written by a Filipino historian, AM I DOING WRONG?
2) If I am to prove the existence of Jesus and Mary Magdalene‘s and also proving their marriage by using the book of "Da Vinci Code" written by novelist Dan Brown, considered as the 13th Best Selling Book of All-Time combining the mystery/detective, thriller and conspiracy fiction genres, AM I DOING RIGHT? (source: your beloved wikipedia)
3) WHAT ABOUT THE BIBLE?—being the #1 Best Selling Book of All-Time, collaboratively written by not less than 40 authors from diverse places and time gaps, speaking of a unified story about God Almighty, His Son, the Spirits, and the Humanity—Is it more logical to throw it quickly than to use it as a reference of proving Jesus Christ’s existence?
Example Questionable BIBLICAL FACTS and just giving my quick answers:
And if by these simple arguments, I successfully debunk your atheism proving the existence of GOD to be TRUE, it will just follow that His Son’s existence, Jesus Christ, is also TRUE. And same with the rest.
Happy Faith! 😀
in fairness to jenny i think name of a person doesn’t follow
his attitude, doings and thoughts, it make no sense at all
names of people around us don’t have biblical basis as of
yesterday they base their name for what they are…
And when speaking of religion to God it’s the vital one like
Church of God…this make sense..
I’ve known many people name jessie in nickname jesus full
name but they are not good people…but someday if God’s
calls them, path of their life will be change at all, like jenny,
but perhaps jenny lacking of research and
misunderstanding of what real account of deeper history
about Jesus Christ and she is surrounded with fantasies of
walt disney character etc. it well answer by bro. eli..
to comment no. 5 named Jenny….
Please read more..you have now started reading in this website…a little more patient will clear some of your thoughts…make more researches as what bro.eli adviced for you..i hope you take bro.eli adviced constructively…it is for your own good…you will realized it as you live day by day…read more of the topics here and you will learn more…
if you want to reply to my comments, this is my email address..
rafi_10sep2004@yahoo.com
@alvin,
Granted that Wikipedia makes a couple of errors, but the beauty of wikipedia is that it is self-correcting. If you check back on the stories you mentioned, it has already been corrected.
Can the Bible claim the same? Or is everyone convinced that the Bible is never wrong?
One example of a historical issue is the tale of the census. It seems that Luke’s and Matthew’s tale of the census does sync up with other historical records. The Bible says that the census was taken during Herod’s time. But historical records have shown that the tax census was taken at AD 6, ten years after the death of Herod.
And many believers are misinterpreting Jenny’s response. Her thinking is that if the author exists, it does not automatically mean that the characters of the author’s tale similarly existed. If that is the case, then Mickey Mouse physically existed as flesh and blood. Similarly, just because one character in the author’s tale is based on an actual character, it does not mean that ALL characters in the tale also existed.
So assuming that Eli is correct—that there is a historical figure named Pontius Pilate, that the manuscripts were written by a historical figure—it does not mean that all characters in the tale are historical figures.
If this is the line of thinking, then by the same thought process, you should believe that Mickey Mouse physically existed and that the “Da Vinci Code” is considered factual.
Jennylaristas, keep spinning, you will end up dizzy. You haven’t said one iota of worthwhile or sensible comment. To you, the bull has to poke the farmer even if he has wings and flies. You have more turns than a corkscrew, and look a lot like one. Literally, that is. Jew corkscrews, that is.
If this is a web site about Jesus (Isu – the letter ‘J’ was invented by the Jews in the 16th C to hijack the Bible and the ME, to invade Arab land), why bother to allow these jews (and atheists) to post more than ONCE, the same stuff, and WASTE BANDWIDTH? They don’t understand or practice FAIRNESS, so why be any courteous or fair with them??
Bro eli – thank you for your couteous reply. I think you misunderstand me. I believe the evidence that Pilate was real: there is a great deal of it to corroborate the story that this man existent. But just because he existed is not proof that Jesus existed. They are separate people. One’s existence does not proove the existence of the other.
There is no non-biblical evidence of Jesus’ life. No independant witnesses at all.
It is strange that the Romans, who kept such accurate recors of so many things, did not keep any records relating to Jesus. This is not proof that he didn’t exist, just proof that he wasn’t important enough to them to make any particular record of his life.
There were many travelling prophets, wise men and healers at that time – almost all of which were certainly frauds. Jesus’ cult survive, and we can be glad of that because most of his teachings have on balance made the world a better place. This does not make him divine.
Please can I apologise about my confusion with dates in my earlier post – I was muddling BC with AD. Sorry.
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Matthew 24:35
What our Lord Jesus Christ telling are very true. Imagine up to this time the Bible is the number 1 selling book of all times. There is really a supernatural force that maintain the Bible to exist and make multitude of copies.
Believe the Bible!~
to post # 20
you believe in evidence of pontius pilate is real? but how
could you not believe Jesus was existed? are you serious?
they are different people u mean, but the evidence that
Jesus existed is flooded in writings of the prophets and
apostles or man of God in the bible, refer to bro. eli quoted,
simple logic in court of men if you have one independent
witness do you think the court will favor you? but if you
have many witnesses that inclining to one truth and even
not exactly the same as epistles of apostles you can
understand the message that they are speaking of the real
truth..even in the bible there is a verse in 2 or 3 witnesses…
And u said one existence doesn’t prove existence of the
other, simple example your mother existence prove the
existence of your grandfather and your existence prove
your mother existence, but if we are talking about long gap
of time we can trace back the time by means of remains like
writings etc. but still if u don’t believe it,
Tell your lies to the marines..who do you believe anyway?
mickey mouse or yourself?
Jesus cult survive, you know what cult means they are
practicing rituals and mostly against the bible, so how come
we get teaching of better things if you consider it cult..It’s
seem your getting good things out of things that you
disagree…I hope you keep on listening to bro. eli so you
will enlighten most..thanks..
To Jenny,
If you cannot trust the credibility and the authenticity of the Bible (which is proven to be the most accurate and more advance than recent scientific discoveries) about the existence of Jesus Christ and among other concerns, what materials are there for you to believe with? Children’s books? Specifically Disney’s publishing?
Do existence of Jesus Christ can be found in Economics book? or in Philosophy books? Are history books should be concerning faith of readers?
How about you? How can we prove that you really exist and not imaginary? For a person to be proven existing does that mean one needed to be written in historical accounts?
And what are the bases of your beliefs anyway? Own opinions? Hearsays? Walt Disney characters? Duh!
“There is no non-biblical evidence of Jesus’ life. No independant witnesses at all” – How sure are you about this? Have you done enough research?
Who do you expect we’re going to believe? You? You, who cannot differentiate the real person to a cartoon? You’ve got to be kidding!
It is safer to believe in the Bible, than to believe in you and the rest of your atheists gang who cannot seem to differentiate the reality to delusion.
Do your research more… but it will take you forever to have your delusions be in reality.
Time indeed has a lot more to say against imaginary fools and pure perverters of Perverts Religion of doom and destroyed of their foolies which they claim as their hope in this uneasy times of gazillion of information of toxic!
If someone give details of a formula and that it is a nerve wracking earth shaking truth against those who claim they are of GOD in CHRIST, but the truth about that formula reveals the thing what the Bible say WHERE SATAN CITY IS!
We who believes in the Bible are not that simple as compared to those who mocks it and the truth that is in it.
Time you do not have, to prove that things in The Bible and GOD, CHRIST are imaginary insteads with your loussie claims are against you, all who pervert the good that is in the Bible.
Formula:
1. have yourself a mirror
2. use algebra expression
3. use the sign which their right hand do
Now,you perverts try these as you claim GOD, CHRIST and all that are in the Bible are imaginary and take this as a challlenge to your imagination as these I.Q. strongly needs your thinking!
good luck!
Oh, please take all the time you can get
More Power to you brother Eli
GOD Bless in CHRIST
For reason right or wrong, Jesus Christ is being preached about?
If we keep the sayings, quotations, and works of the famous people then how much more for the works of our salvation.
If ye don’t believe then keep it like as a quotations of the famous people.
Since to keep is to admire then why we don’t admire the words of wisdom.
“And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.” (John 12:47)
EYES
for me in my heart i believe Jesus existed. I don’t know why, for a fact i didn’t see him but all my christian life even before i was not belong to the true Church of God i was trying to know him. Thanks be to God he led me to his servant bro. Eli. Now i even trying to be like him. I am thinking, Why many believed in Santa Clause they even have celebrated it in christmas holidays this one character greater than jesus, and some removed “Christ”in christmas and put “x”mas. people even trying to be Santa Clause by impersonating it and teach the little children of the world to be something like real, making children to wish for something not real for we know that this is imaginary person only. Why? as for me, i rather believe Jesus than it because i believe the god of this world is at work to everyone that doesn’t believe.ssD
I believe that Jesus exists because of the reasons that were mentioned by believers in the previous comments.
But for me, the more striking evidence that proves that He is real and He is supernatural is His pronouncements. All His pronouncements that has meant to have come to pass…HAVE come to pass.
For example:
The things He said regarding to what’ll happen before His’ coming and the end of the world: (Mat 24:4-7)
We see these things happening in the world today. So if Jesus is a made up character by some writer, how can the writers from Jesus’ ‘cult’ predict accurately what’s happening today back in their time which is almost 2000 years ago (oxyrincus papyrus) when the Earth’s resources wasn’t as close to depletion as it is now, and technology wasn’t as advanced as it is now???
And another one, Jesus gave this testimony:
Luk 21:13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
Luk 21:14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
Luk 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
I have been watching brother Eli’s programs for around 10 years before becoming a member of the Church of God almost 2 years ago.
I have seen how he answers every question asked to him instantly without pausing for a moment to think.
I have seen religious leaders debate with Brother Eli, all of them not being able to go against the gospel that he carries with him. He hasn’t lost a debate…ever.
And for someone (Bro. Eli) who hasn’t even graduated high school go up against all this educated religious leaders and beat them is something out of the ordinary.
Brother Eli is a living proof that Jesus exists!!! He is one of the fulfilments of His testimony in Luke.
So you want to prove God and Jesus doesn’t exist? Get the smartest most intelligent atheist in the world (or even yourself) heck get the whole non-believing crew behind you and disprove the existence of an all powerful God in a debate against brother Eli.
The moment I see brother Eli speechless and can’t contest a statement from your side…I WILL BECOME AN ATHEIST MYSELF!!!
Let’s just see if your belief doesn’t crumble before your very eyes.
TO GOD BE THE GLORY!
@R,
Your logic is flawed. Allow me to point it out.
“1) If I am to prove the existence of Dr. Jose Rizal (The Philippine’s National Hero) by using a book entitled “Life of Rizal” written by a Filipino historian, AM I DOING WRONG?”
Could be. It depends on who the historian is and what is his objective in publishing such a book. Anyone can claim to be a historian. Publishing a book does not mean the book is accurate. What are his references? Does he cite physical manuscripts like letters of Rizal and writings?
“2) If I am to prove the existence of Jesus and Mary Magdalene’s and also proving their marriage by using the book of “Da Vinci Code” written by novelist Dan Brown, considered as the 13th Best Selling Book of All-Time combining the mystery/detective, thriller and conspiracy fiction genres, AM I DOING RIGHT? (source: your beloved wikipedia)”
If you are going to use the “Da Vinci Code” as the sole evidence in proving your hypothesis, then you are doing something WRONG. Also, if you employ the same steps I mentioned above, you will see that Dan Brown is not a historian and that the book’s publishers have claimed that the work is fiction. But I will point you also to the book that spawned DVC, which is the book “Holy Blood, Holy Grail,” written by historians as well, and it is in this book that presents the hypothesis that Jesus did marry Mary Magdalene. If you are using this book as one of your evidences to prove your hypothesis, then you are doing something RIGHT.
“3) WHAT ABOUT THE BIBLE?—being the #1 Best Selling Book of All-Time, collaboratively written by not less than 40 authors from diverse places and time gaps, speaking of a unified story about God Almighty, His Son, the Spirits, and the Humanity—Is it more logical to throw it quickly than to use it as a reference of proving Jesus Christ’s existence?”
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the story is not exactly unified. Check the gospels on his genealogy and you will see that it doesn’t match. Also the nativity story is missing in some books. There are also some mismatch on the crucifixion scene.
But yes you are right that it can be used as a reference of proving Jesus’ existence, but there are other historical documents that seem to contradict the historicity of the Bible.
And finally….
“Q: Does GOD really exists? A Supreme Being, and the Creator of everything?
A: (People got this concept from the Bible, so it’s ok to use the Bible as reference. But since you seem to reject it, I’ll just give you a quick answer.)
Yes! GOD exists, the Supreme Being and Creator of everything. Here’s my simple logic:
If you accept that everything was CREATED, it’s inevitable that there is a CREATOR.”
No debate that there is a point where the universe was created. That has been pretty much proven by science. But is such a “creator” sentient? Is there evidence to show that such a creator is omniscient, omnipotent, and omni-benevolent? Is such a creator worthy of wosrhip? I maintain that the answer is NO. There is evidence all over to show chaos and imperfection. As George Carlin mentioned: “Why is in that everything that God created dies?” In a couple of million years, our sun will engulf our planet, ending all life here. I wonder if prayer will save us then….
A lot of people maintain that atheists and non-believers are closed-minded. On the contrary, I am quite open-minded to read all documents, even those that go against my beliefs. I can be persuaded to change, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Show me a flying crucifix in the Oort cloud. Or the ten commandements etched in an asteroid. Or that the Bible can predict the value of pi at the millioneth decimal point.
To All Atheists,
It seems that for you people, to see is to believe. I notice you always say, “show me this and that”. Let me ask you a few questions then:
1. Do you believe that you have a mind?
If no, you must not be human being.
2. Can you see it?
If yes, you must not really be human being.
3. Do you believe in it?
If no, what are you then?
I know you believe that you have a mind, which you cannot see. You believe because most of the time, if not everytime, that is where your decisions and thoughts come from.
The same thing with God, the Creator. We may not see Him, but the invisible things of Him, are clearly seen from the creation of the world.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
You might say, the universe was created because of the big bang theory. Remember, it is still a theory up to now. A THEORY is very much different from a FACT, which you want us to base our beliefs from, and not on the bible, which you do not believe.
And granting without accepting for a while that the big bang is true, let me ask you some more questions then:
1. Where did all these elements that make up the universe now come from?
2. Does science already have an answer for that?
3. Can man create any of these particles out of nothing? Don’t tell me aliens did it.
You see, if there are things that man, which is the highest life from according to science, cannot do or create, there must be a higher entity who created them.
It is still wiser to believe in God, the Creator more or rather than any creation like man.
Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
to Jenny,
Please read more of the Roman history and you will find out that they have written the existence of Jesus of nazareth…
as we have told you, keep on researching..for that will lead you to the truth…just like what you believed and learned when you are at the grade school….
if you learned that 1 plus 1 is equal to 2, you believed on it because you have a basis…keep on researching…and when you do it…be sure to be honest to yourself… because that will lead you to the truth…
as ive said keep on visiting this website..and we will learn more…
@SEKULARISTA,
Oh really? Tickle me. (hehehe)
O common, just be honest. Why still say it in uncertainty when Philippine History itself and all other later accounts of historians who published books about Jose Rizal NEVER questioned his "existence"? Although those historians did not lived the same time as Rizal, their accounts are factual. Ferdinand Blummentritt, a close friend of Rizal even wrote in his letter a bold analogy of the number of languages that Rizal knew and the number of women he had in his life. What I want you to see is not the account that Rizal is a womanizer, but the FACT that RIZAL EXISTED. And he is not a fictional character.
If you want to really scrutinize the Life of Rizal, go and read those books. Published historical books has ISBN on it, and the creadibility (even anyone can doubt if he’s really a historian) of the author is manifested in the facts and strong evidences he used.
You really don’t seem to follow. (tsk … tsk) You did not see my basic point that I don’t actually believe the claims of Dan Brown, most especially because his book is categorized as genre of 1) Mystery/Detective; 2) Thriller; and 3) Conspiracy Fiction (as provided by your favorite online reference, the wikipedia.)
The story is not exactly unified, huh? So impliedly, you accept that it’s unified, right?… although you qualified it as "not exactly"?
I don’t even did claim that what you can read in the Bible is flawless. Especially that those are originally written in manuscripts and was translated many many times. If even modern publications can have typographical errors and discrepancies in opinions, why do you single-out the Bible to be rejected? If you have more issues you want to ask about seemingly contradictions in the Bible, why not present your question here clearly and ask a Christian preacher, like Bro. Eli Soriano than mere rejection inside your brains?
"But yes you are right…" >> Thanks that you finally admit it that I’m right.
And that’s a nice way of admitting your mistake indirectly by saying —
OK. We both agree the everything is CREATED and there’s someone who created it but you just don’t know who is that CREATOR, right?
The TRUTH is ….. He is "GOD".
Just take that for a while as a SUGGESTION, because your an atheist right?
But the answer to your questions are ALL AVAILABLE in the Bible.
I’m sorry that you really just can’t find satisfaction in your querries from Wikipedia, because that’s a wrong reference for these kind of doubts you had.
If you maintain the answer "NO" without even reading and finding answers from The Bible, that’s pathetic!
Search first The Scriptures thoroughly before your bias contention! And avoid this silly mistake again which commonly happens to people who wants to know if really there’s a GOLD while searching it in a POT OF CRAP, or inside the fruit of a COCONUT TREE.
And by the way, who the heck is George Carlin? Is he your father of atheism? Ok, let me tell him that his question “Why is in that everything that God created dies?” …. is absurd! Here are my grounds for saying that are obviously : 1) How well did he know about EVERYTHING CREATED?; 2) If he can’t even identify or give me a decent list of those EVERYTHING CREATED that he questions supporting his conclusion that IT ALL DIES, don’t even bother to think of another silly question of that kind. 3) WE CHRISTIANS, who believe in GOD, know for a FACT that Carlin’s claim is NOT TRUE, therefore irrelevant. GOD also created THE HEAVENS and the EARTH. And WE also know that this heaven that we know, and these earth that we know is going to corruption. Another NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH awaits US. And I know that those BIBLICAL FACTS are too much for you to accept right now. So let me just give you an easy one.
You believe in the existence of the vast universe, right? Containing all those planets of the solar system, contained in Milky Way galaxy, and all other neighboring galaxies and clusters of stars separated each by light years away, and even the recent discovered galaxy via HubbleSpace Telescope …. 13 billion light years away ….
Can you still follow? Ok, here’s an easy question for you to ponder, WILL IT ALL DIE? (Support your answer with all your references from wikipedia and all resources that you share with your fellow atheists.)
You said that, "A lot of people maintain that atheists and non-believers are closed-minded. On the contrary, I am quite open-minded….", so you’re saying that YOU ARE AN ATHEIST AND A NON-BELIEVER WHO IS AN OPEN-MINDED, right? In my honest opinion, THAT’S STUPID! Why?
Because an ATHEIST BELIEVES THERE IS NO GOD. Therefore believing such idea makes AN ATHEIST ALSO A BELIEVER. A non-believer is someone who DO NOT BELIEVE IN ANYTHING or someone who DO NOT HAVE ANY BELIEFS AT ALL.
Sorry to say again, but your ‘open-mindedness’ is still a matter of argument.
I have enough reasons to question your atheistic claims. First, because I am a Christian who knows the God that you do not know. Second, it is said in the Bible long before you were born and until you started to believe in your atheism, that it’s FOOLISH to think that way. (my biblical reference: PSALMS 14:1)
You also said, "I can be persuaded to change". Then I say,
WE BOTH HAVE OPPOSING CLAIMS. AND YOU’VE JUST ADMITTED ONCE THAT I’M RIGHT. AND INDIRECTLY SHOWS THAT YOU’RE WRONG. ALTHOUGH, THE TRUTH DOES NOT END THERE.
I REPEAT THAT "GOD IS ONLY POWERFUL, INVISIBLE, & INCOMPREHENSIBLE"
A) THE FACT THAT YOU MAN HAS LIMITED POWER, THAT HE CAN’T EVEN MEASURE THE HEIGHT OR DISTANCE OF THE HEAVENS FROM THE GROUND, THE POSSIBILITY THAT "SOMEONE" IS GREATER THAN US IS 100%.
B) REALITY IS NOT CONFINED WITHIN THE PHYSICAL LIMITATION OF MAN. THE EXISTENCE OF SPIRITS IS A PART OF THIS REALITY.
C) I MAY NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO EXPLAIN "WHO IS GOD", BECAUSE —
"HE" IS POWERFUL AND I AM NOT
"HE" IS INVISIBLE, THAT’S WHY EVEN IF YOU INSIST THAT YOU’LL ONLY CHANGE TO BELIEVE IN HIS EXISTENCE IF YOU SEE HIM IS IMPERTINENT
"HE" IS INCOMPREHENSIBLE.
YOU STILL CAN’T UNDERSTAND, HUH?
YOUR INABILITY TO COMPREHEND WHO IS GOD, ADDS TO VARIOUS PROOFS THAT "HE" REALLY EXISTS.
PROPERLY DO YOUR ASSIGNMENTS FIRST, BEFORE YOU QUICKLY JUMP TO YOUR ASSERTIONS. DON’T MESS YOUR MIND WITH "UNPROVEN CLAIMS" ANDTHINGS THAT YOU JUST DON’T KNOW.
SEARCH & READ THE BIBLE FROM PAGE 1 TO LAST, OK.
Hi, i just surfed in searching for interesting blogs on Spirituality, you have a cool blog. Do keep up the good work. I’ll be back even though i live far from where you live. its nice to be able to see what people from across the world thinks.
Warm Regards from the Other Side of the Moon.
On a related note perhaps you might find the following link interesting. Its propossing a theory and i’ll like to hear your take on the subject via comments. See ya…
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@R,
You still fail to see the logic. Neither is your thought-process consistent.
Let me outline it for you.
Do you believe that if a real person wrote a book about a charcter, does it automatically make the character factual? I take it that the answer is NO. And I base this on your second point—you believe that the “Da Vinci Code” is fiction despite the fact that a real person wrote it. Your basis for determining that the book is fiction is because it is categorized as fiction, and not because of the author.
Do you believe that if the characters in the book are real, then all characters are real and all events are real? I take it that the answer also is NO.
By that thought-process. Bro Eli’s logic is flawed. Just because the author historically existed, and just because a couple of characters existed in the Bible, doesn’t automatically make the Bible a historical document.
By the way, not exactly unified is means just that. Not exactly unified. There are some stories that sync up, but there are also stories that don’t. I also noticed that you didn’t offer any counterpoint to the examples I mentioned.
And, using the Bible to prove that the Bible is accurate is a tautological fallacy.
And if you are calling the point of creation as “God,” then we are just arguing words. I could also call that point as “singularity.” Or “chapter one in the history of the universe.” But just because such a point exists does not automatically mean that we have to worship it.
Now, instead of arguing that George Carlin is wrong, why don’t you name me one item that will never cease to exist. I can name you several that eventually dies. A number of physicists claim that our universe may eventually be swallowed by a black hole. Even the earth we live on will eventually die. And please don’t say “heaven” because there is no proof that such a place even exists!
Also, please reread my post before you assume that I am closed-minded. When I say believer and non-believer, I am saying that in the context of god and religion. I believe in the scientific process. As I mentioned, I can be persuaded to believe in a god. Just show me the evidence. But as I mentioned, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I find your statement “WE BOTH HAVE OPPOSING CLAIMS. AND YOU’VE JUST ADMITTED ONCE THAT I’M RIGHT. AND INDIRECTLY SHOWS THAT YOU’RE WRONG” utterly hilarious. We may be in opposing camps but there are items that we can agree on. It does not mean that one is right and the other is wrong.
@R part 2,
BTW, all your claims about the spiritual world not being part of this reality requires some evidence as well. What makes you believe that the spirit world exists?
And on your C point, maybe the reason you can’t explain “Who is God” is because God doesn’t exist at all.
@R part 1,
Let me outline it for you. And please keep an open-mind. No need to be too defensive.
1) If the author of a book existed, does that automatically mean that the characters of his book also existed? I believe that you and I would agree that the answer is NO. I base this on your answer on the “Da Vinci Code”—even if a real person wrote the book, then it could still mean that it is fiction.
2) If the characters of the book are all factual, does it automatically mean that ALL characters in the book and ALL then events are factual? Again, the answer should be NO. Otherwise, by that logic, you would automatically consider that “Da Vinci Code” also as factual because you believe that Jesus is a historical character.
This is my point why Bro Eli’s thought-process is flawed.
As I said, yes we can agree that the Bible can be used as a historical reference, but it has to be used in conjuction with other references as well. If there is a mismatch, then one has to employ critical thinking to determine which is correct.
Yes we can be in opposing camps, but just because one is right doesn’t automatically mean the other is wrong summa total. All it says is that there is something we can agree on, and once we establish that point, then we can proceed with an intelligent discussion sans ad hominem.
hi to you,sekularista!
let me just post what you posted last june 25.
sekularista;Yes we can be in opposing camps, but just because one is right doesn’t automatically mean the other is wrong summa total. All it says is that there is something we can agree on, and once we establish that point, then we can proceed with an intelligent discussion sans ad hominem
gerj;now.here’s a q. what can BE that SOMETHING that we can agree on?
i believe that THERE should be a common basis…but since you dont accept the bible as GOD INSPIRED…..then what could that SOMETHING BE?
but the bible cannot be questionable since it is backed up by centuries of facts of being authentic…and since GOD HAD IT WRITTEN….NO MAN WITHOUT GOD’S SPIRIT WILL BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND GOD’S THINGS….GOD’S DEEP THINGS…for those things are of GOD.BUT the q IS……DO U HAVE THE SPIRIT FROM GOD TO KNOW GOD’S DEEP THINGS?
AND LOOK HOW TRUE THE BIBLE IS…….BEFORE THESE ATHEISTS PROCLAIMED….THERES NO GOD????…………….
.GOD ALREADY HAD THEIR PROCLAMATION WRITTEN.
Psalm 14
1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.
IF some people dont believe in spirituality…what makes one believe there’s spirit of alcohol?denatured spirits…ETC..thats just literally speaking.
but think about this….i hope you do…
what makes one man overwhelmed by something?
what makes a man kill?
what is that thing?…..that makes a man feel sorry….for things he knew he did is wrong?
why is it wrong?
who said it is wrong?
why does one feel guilty about his ill deeds?
where does that feeling come from?
why does one feel the guilt?
why does the conscience bother a man?
the big q. is….WHERE DOES CONSCIENCE COME FROM?
DO U HAVE A BOOK TO EXPLAIN THESE THINGS?
CAN ANY ATHEIST PROVE THESE THINGS?DO U HAVE PROOFS?
LETS just single out this CONSCIENCE thing.
ANY SCIENTIFIC EXPLANATION ABOUT IT?
Conscience
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François Chifflart (1825-1901), La Conscience (d’après Victor Hugo)Conscience is an ability or faculty or sense that leads to feelings of remorse when we do things that go against our moral values, or which informs our moral judgment before performing such an action. Such feelings are not intellectually reached, though they may cause us to ‘examine our conscience’ and review those moral precepts, or perhaps resolve to avoid repeating the behavior
THE ABOVE INFO FROM WIKIPEDIA IS BASED UPON THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF A CONSCIENCE THING.
SEKULARISTA…..MY Q.AGAIN TO YOU AND ALL ATHEISTS……WHERE DOES CONSCIENCE COME FROM?
Iwill wait for your reply.
but if you cannot find the answer to this q…….then ASK!
ASK THAT PROPHECY BE REALIZED!
ASK THE READER.!…THAT THE WORD BE READ UPON YOU AND THE LISTENERS!
HAG.2:11 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ask now the priests concerning the law
REV.1:3Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
AND ANOTHER Q…..DO U KNOW WHO THE READER…IS?do you know anyone else except BROTHER ELI SORIANO…..THAT CAN GIVE ANSWERS to people’s qs?if you have your own leader in your atheist group…let him come forward and answer this CONSCIENCE THING……
AGAIN….Q.WHERE DOES CONSCIENCE COME FROM?
All I can say: there are disciples of satanic folks cybernetically spreading confusion here like Happy Evolute.
Just a quote @ happy evolute
“If Jesus of Nazareth ever did exist then he obviously wasn’t God because God doesn’t exist.”
See, you concluded already. Therefore, you are an agnostic atheist. Atheist is one who possesses no belief in any god. By implication from your quote: then you have a god.
Certainly Happy Evolute has his own lexicon.
Nazareth or Nazaret, a place in Palestine ( http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/strongs.cgi?file=greeklexicon&isindex=nazareth )
Today, Nazareth is the capital of the North District of Israel, as well as the largest Arab Israeli city in Israel. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazareth#_note-14 )
Are you Happy if I say that your website is a complete evolute of this http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/nazareth.html . And wait, it says: “Enlighten a friend e-mail this page”. Come on what light will it give but a complete darkness only.
Just like what your website offers:”Are you interested in learning how God works?”
You and that website author make me always laughing. So continue spreading and I continue laughing. Hehehehe.
SEKULARISTA…..MY Q.AGAIN TO YOU AND ALL ATHEISTS……WHERE DOES CONSCIENCE COME FROM?
Iwill wait for your reply.
thanks!
it has been a week and our atheist guests and their leader has not found any reply about this conscience thing.
indeed,they acknowledge in their silence that there’s a great thing they cannot deny…..
there’s a great thing they dont want to acknowledge….but their silence is acceptance of that GREAT GREAT FORCE….THAT THEY DONT WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE ……….
POOR ATHEIST BELIEF……..POOR INDEED……..
THE POOREST OF ALL BELIEF…….
VAIN…..SUCH VAIN BELIEF…..
BELIEF IN THEMSELVES WHICH THEY CANNOT JUSTIFY….
Please do not delete. Be a good sport.
I’m not at all surprised when people above, call each other idiots and brainless when they differ in beliefs. At least it is only verbal fight. Worse, this difference in beliefs led to violence, historically and presently. Remember the Inquisition, Crusade, the Catholic vs. Protestant in Ireland, Muslims vs. Jewish vs. Christians, Sunni vs. Shiites, Christians vs. Catholics? Take away religion and the people of this world will have one less reason to fight or kill each other.
For me, as long as I do not do or think anything bad to my fellowman, I’m doing fine. My take is simple – if I have to believe that God exists, I should also believe there is Santa Claus and Tooth Fairy, to be consistent. I tend to believe that Jesus existed, only for the fact, that our calendar system is based roughly on his birthdate. You know, BC and AD.
I really think the idea of having God in our midst is excellent. Some God that will guide our lives, prevent disasters, heal sicknesses. Isn’t that wonderful? Problem is, we have not witnessed in modern times any repetition of the event mentioned in the Bible. You know, like Noah’s ark, parting of the sea, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc. Also, the Bible’s main settings of big events were always somewhere in the Middle East East. Is it a coincidence that this is the more troubled spot in this planet? For a place where Jesus and Mohammed came from, they could have done better.
I can easily explain why many people do not believe in God but I find it very difficult to find an answer why many people do. And there are millions of them. For what? What had God done as mentioned in the Bible that is worth worshipping “it”? It mentioned that God caused the death of all men, women , children and fetuses in the Noah’s ark saga and Sodom and Gomorrah. You will say God created the entire universe. Amazingly intelligent design! Why did he create only one habitable planet with imperfections? Earthquake here, volcanic eruption there, floods here and drought there.
If you cannot find anything good that God did to the people as mentioned in the Bible, perhaps you can answer – what did God do in your life or what do you expect God will do to you in the future? You worship God because . . . . .
no.40 EDU wrote;
Please do not delete. Be a good sport.
I’m not at all surprised when people above, call each other idiots and brainless when they differ in beliefs. At least it is only verbal fight. Worse, this difference in beliefs led to violence, historically and presently. Remember the Inquisition, Crusade, the Catholic vs. Protestant in Ireland, Muslims vs. Jewish vs. Christians, Sunni vs. Shiites, Christians vs. Catholics? Take away religion and the people of this world will have one less reason to fight or kill each other
MY REPLY ;
THERE shouldnt have been any difference in beliefs………ONLY IF PEOPLE SCRUTINIZED WHAT GOD WROTE FOR THE WHOLE MANKINDthru HIS penmen….but people were given free will and they…most people made their own gods instead.,..invented lies after lies…..
.REMEMBER THE OLDEST BOOKS………..OF THE BIBLE…….THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT BOOKS…..IT BELIES ALL OTHER BELIEFS. HOW?BECAUSE NO OTHER BELIEF COULD STAND AGAINST WHAT GOD HAD WRITTEN….THRU THE PROPHETS…AND APOSTLES AND THE OTHER PENMEN OF THE BIBLE.
THE WAR IS CLEARLY STATED IN GENESIS 3;15….GOD DECLARED IT AGAINST EVIL…
THE POINT IS…..DO YOU SEE HOW TRUE THE BIBLE IS?HOW AUTHENTIC GOD’S WORD IS???????
THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE OF THIS BIBLE COMPARED TO OTHER BOOKS. THE WORD SPOKEN BY GOD COMES TO REALITY……THE PROOF??????????????/THE REALITIES OF THOSE WORD of GOD ARE ALL BEFORE OUR EYES
CAN WE DENY THERE IS EVIL?????????????ONLY A FOOL WOULD DENY IT……NOW…IF ONE WOULD DENY…..ISNT HE A FOOL?…..
NOW….IS THERE TRULY A FOOL?
SURELY …YOU WILL KNOW THE ANSWER FROM WITHIN YOURSELF….
NOW…..IF WE FEEL NUDGED BY THAT TRUTH…AND WE DONT WANT TO ACCEPT IT…..ISNT THAT HYPOCRISY??????
TRYING TO BE KIND OR PLEASING IN THE SIGHT OF MEN…..IS THAT WHAT TRUE RELIGION IS???????????/TRUE RELIGION…IS BASED ON TRUTH…………….AND TRUTH IS SPEAKING OUT WHAT IS TRUE AND NEVER DENYING……
NOW…IF ONE BELIEVES IN THE TRUTH……………HE SHOULD ACCEPT THERE IS EVIL…..AND THAT EVIL IS ABOUT DENYING GOD’S WISDOM…
EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO TAKE A STAND………….HAS TO CHOOSE BETWEEN EVIL AND GOOD….
WHICH SIDE ARE YOU IN??
IF ONE IS STANDING ON HIS OWN FAITH…..HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO BELIE OTHER FAITHS…FOR HIS FAITH TO BE TRUE….OTHERWISE……ONE’S FAITH IS IN VAIN AND UNTRUE.
THATS WHAT BRO ELI IS PROVING IN THIS BLOG.TO BELIE ALL FALSE BELIEFS THRU GOD’S WORD IN THE BIBLE.ALL INVENTED RELIGIONS AND WISDOM OF MEN ARE ALL BELIED BY THE WISDOM OF GOD.
BESIDES………….DID YOU FIND TIME TO REALLY STUDY WHAT CHRISTIANITY IS?DO U BELIEVE ALL THESE SO CALLED CHRISTIAN GROUPS ARE TRUE CHRISTIAN GROUPS?????????
HOW THEN CAN WE SUM UP EVERYTHING…..WHEN TRUE CHRISTIAN DOCTRINES IS UNKNOWN TO HIM WHO PROFESSES HIS OWN FAITH?
ISNT THAT STUPIDITY?
…….FOR ONE TO JUDGE OVER THINGS ….UNKNOWN TO HIM? IF ONE HASNT KNOWN TRUTH……HOW THEN CAN HE SAY THINGS WHICH ARE EVIL?
OF COURSE….HE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN TRUTH……TO KNOW LIES….ISNT THIS FAIR?
IS IT EVIL TO SPEAK A THING IS STUPID?
COME TO THINK AROUND US….
ARE THERE THINGS STUPID?
IF WE DONT ACCEPT THAT FACT…..THEN WE ARE JUST TRYING TO PLEASE THE SIGHT OF MEN….
ISNT THAT ANOTHER VAIN THING?………
AND PLEASE ANSWER THIS MR EDU….THANKS!
MR EDU WROTE:
For me, as long as I do not do or think anything bad to my fellowman, I’m doing fine. My take is simple – if I have to believe that God exists, I should also believe there is Santa Claus and Tooth Fairy, to be consistent. I tend to believe that Jesus existed, only for the fact, that our calendar system is based roughly on his birthdate. You know, BC and AD
MY REPLY;
IF YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT GOD EXISTS…..YOU SAID YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE THAT THERES SANTA CLAUS ALSO AND TOOTH FAIRY….TO BE CONSISTENT????????????????
HOW CAN THAT BE CONSISTENT……?
ARE YOU SAYING GOD IS JUST LIKE SANTA?A SANTA…..THAT PEOPLE INVENTED TO FOOL CHILDREN?A SANTA THAT IS JUST A PRODUCT OF MIND AND ILLUSION TO CATER THEIR WANTING MINDS?
DO U SEE THE SAME FOR GOD????????????/
DO U BELIEVE GOD IS JUST AN INVENTION OF MIND???????????
ECCLESIASTES 7: 29Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions
THEN…TRULY…..MEN CAN BE LOST ..IF THATS HOW HE LOOK AT THINGS…..
FOR HE NEVER LOOKED INTO THINGS DEEPLY……OR NEVER ASSESSED THINGS AROUND HIM….SURELY,IF ONE HAS NO SPIRIT OF GOD…HOW CAN HE UNDERSTAND THE THINGS OF GOD?
1 COR 2:10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
:11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God
IF ONLY THAT MAN SHALL INVESTIGATE HIS INNER SELF…..
AND TRY TO ASSESS……………….
FOR INSTANCE…..A MAN’S FEELING FOR HIS LOVED ONE….WHEN HE DOES SLAP HER AFTER AN ARGUMENT….WHEN HE CANT RESTRAIN HIMSELF AND SUDDENLY BURST INTO EMOTIONS………….BUT AFTERWARDS FEEL REMORSEFUL ABOUT WHAT HE HAS DONE…….
COME TO THINK OF IT……..WHY DOES HE FEEL THAT REMORSE?WHY DOES HE FEEL THE GUILT?
WHY DOES HE FEEL SORRY?…………
WHAT MAKES HIM FEEL SORRY?
WHY IS THERE SOMETHING INSIDE HIM THAT TELLS HIM…..WHAT HE DID IS WRONG???????????/
AND WHY IS IT WRONG????????
WHO TOLD HIM IT WAS WRONG?……….
WHERE DOES THAT GUILTY FEELING COME FROM?
IF YOU CAN TELL WHERE THAT GUILTY CONSCIENCE COME FROM…….THEN LET’S DISCUSS IT….
LET’S SEE…..IF TRULY WHAT A MAN SAYS IS TRULY TRUE……OR JUST PRODUCT OF HIS MIND….YOU CAN PROVE YOUR STAND IN THIS FORUM,…..YOU ARE WELCOME….TO PROVE YOUR STAND …..THAT WE MAY ALL COME TO UNDERSTANDING……
WHICH IS TRUE?…………….YOURS OR WHAT WE HAVE FOUND?
THANKS!
MR EDU WROTE;
I can easily explain why many people do not believe in God but I find it very difficult to find an answer why many people do. And there are millions of them. For what?
MY REPLY…..
ONLY IF ONE WILL INVESTIGATE AND SEARCH FOR TRUTH…TRULY……ONLY THEN SHALL ONE KNOW THE ANSWER.
ONLY THEN…..WILL HIS ASSUMPTIONS AND SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND FALSE ACCUSATIONS SHALL END….
HAVE YOU TRIED TO SEARCH FOR TRUTH?…….IF TRULY YOU HAVE SEARCHED……………WHY HAVE YOU NOT FOUND IT?ONLY YOU CAN ANSWER THAT……CHECK YOURSELF……DID YOU REALLY SEARCH FOR GOD? IF YOU DID………….WHY HAVENT YOU FOUND GOD?ISNT THAT RIDICULOUS???SEARCHING AND NOT FINDING?
PROVERBS 2:4If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures;
5Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God
DID YOU TRY TO LOOK AT VERSE 5 ?
EVEN THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD….YOU SHALL FIND!
BUT TAKE A LOOK ALSO AT THIS VERSE AND SCRUTINIZE IT VERY CLOSELY….
MAL.3:16Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name
DID YOU SEE FOR WHOM THE BOOK WAS WRITTEN?
IS IT FOR EVERYONE?
ONE CAN ASSESS NOW FOR HIMSELF….WHY AT THIS STAGE ONE HAVENT FOUND GOD YET……
BUT EVERYONE CAN FIND GOD……IF…….ONE KNOWS HIS WHOLE DUTY…….
ECCLESIASTES 12:13
Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man
AGAIN AS MR EDU WROTE:
If you cannot find anything good that God did to the people as mentioned in the Bible, perhaps you can answer – what did God do in your life or what do you expect God will do to you in the future? You worship God because . . . . .
MY REPLY:
SO MANY BEAUTIFUL THINGS ……GREAT, GREAT THINGS…THINGS BEYOND WHAT MOST EDUCATED PEOPLE KNOW….NOT EVEN ALL THE PRESIDENTS AND THE RICHEST MEN KNOWS…..
AND ONE OF THOSE GREAT GREAT THINGS….IS UNDERSTANDING GOD’S WORD……IF THAT ISNT GREAT TO YOU….THEN TRY TO EXPLAIN THIS THING TO US….
PROVERBS 23:23
23Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding
Q.WITH WHAT …..SHALL ONE BUY THE TRUTH?……HOW CAN ONE BUY IT …..IF HE HASNT KNOWN WHAT NEEDS TO BE BOUGHT?………DOES EVERYONE KNOWS THIS?……DO ATHEISTS IN ALL THEIR WISDOM….GIVE THE ANSWER TO THIS WORD OF GOD?
IF THEY CANNOT…..WHAT MAKES THEIR WISDOM BELIEVABLE?
to EDU #40
I really don’t blame you if you don,t believe in God,
as the bible say,in this world there are only two types of people,…one are those who beleive in God,the other
are the UNBELEIVERS…
To you EDU & CO……time will come that you will be force to beleive that there is really GOD,the ALMIGTHY ONE,the creator of HEAVENS AND EARTH,;;;;;;;when HE(God) punish the UNBELEIVERS,(revelation 21:8).
….when that time comes,you will remember Bro. ELI SORIANO…..beleive me!!!!!!!!!!!!
I almost got carried by emotion and my very strong belief in GOD, JESUS CHRIST, and the bible I wanted to challenge edu, jenny sekularista and their gang into any debeta or fight. After a short prayer, I pitied these guys that after coming into existence and growing up to be able to push the keys of a computer, they are still in the dark, either by their own ignorance of the holy scriptures, or thru the manipulation by the anti-Christ that has been prophesied long before these generations. The perverted logic and reasoning that you formed in not believing in GOD, JESUS CHRIST, and the bible, is perhaps through your own experiences and informations derived from the fake Christians that you encountered. We also abhor them and their inaccurate and malicious interpretation of the Holy Scripture. In fact Bro Eli’s life is at risk for exposing their evil use of religion for their own interest. Let us not waste our time in a useless debate, take your time, listen more to Bro Eli’s words and am sure that like me, you will change your mind and join the CHURCH OF GOD, believing in the bible and JESUS CHRIST. If after sometime hearing Bro Eli you still doubt, then we can debate and fight [not in flesh and blood] anywhere, anytime that you like, civilly over these issues that I may be able to help. GALATIANS 6:10-As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men….I pray that after hearing more of Bro Eli, you guys will be one with us in fulfilling this verse. Listen and believe in Bro Eli. GOD IS GLORIOUS, HOLY AND ALMIGHTY.
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Detractors of the Bible is another Satan’s devices to mislead innocent people.
And said, O full of all subtlety and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
The Acts 13:10
King James Version
Dear Bro Eli,
In my works in different countries abroad, I met a lot of peoples of different nationalities and religious beliefs but most of them fall short of the understanding of God how much more for the existence of our Lord Jesus Christ? I met also English atheists who are work experts holding high Company positions as Consultants along the way.Thinking that they can explain better the Bible verses written in English being their mother tongue, I requested one of them to read and explain to me the Bible verse as simple as can be. To my surprise the English did not explain but rather got angry with what he read telling that the verses written by James are completely lies but cannot explain why when I asked.
The other one I encountered in Kuwait recently telling me that he doesn’t believe in the existence of God and I asked him to prove and refute the idea of God’s existence as writted by an independent minded man having a doctorate degree (PhD) in Physics as I can remember taken from the Internet, he just replied that he has nothing to prove nor refute but he knew and claimed for fact that most if not all of the advancements in science and technology are in the hands of the Christians or the “Believers”. I can only say that the minds of the atheists whoever they are and how intelligent and knowledgeable they maybe are limited and ignorant of the Bible as written. There are really peoples despite of facts proven by science and archeological findings of God’s existence are deprived of the knowledge, wisdom and understanding of God and the Bible because the wisdom is only for those who believe and obey God. We can only pray for them for God’s mercy and grace to give them the wisdom.
i think jesus factual existence is undetermined up to this day.
I know this is a bit off-topic but I have noticed that in every religious forum, usually the believers tend to be foul-mouthed and combative. Is it because of the violent history of religion? To be sure, religion-related violence is also in the current news. There’s nothing new.
Or you guys are just emulating the biblical god’s evil deeds? I read only a few pages of the bible but it already gave me the impression that the actual villain of the story is god and not satan. Do you want to take the challenge and compare what the atrocities god and satan did as mentioned in the bible? Remember we will reference your bible, no more no less. Or you will just cower and curse me?
God’s laws are as natural as natural laws. We only call the results supernatural because we can’t explain it in our present level of consciousness. Like natural laws, violation of these produces reactions God is bound not to break. My point is, many people died in the OT account not because of the big Guy’s caprice but a result of disobedience to His statutes. The devil inspires men not to follow the Living God so in retrospect,
the devil’s influence plus men being influenced is the real killer.
When you know something which is very important, you tend to be very strong on it. It’s up to you to weigh the message. If it’s important, then never mind the bearing of the speaker for truth can stand for itself and is not based from men’s character and personal persuasions.
To the atheist out there,
why won’t all of you believe in the bible?
To many unbelievers, it is a book of impertinece and fallacy, but if you would research for more fact. you will find out how authentic the bible is.
In the old days, Archeologist used to consider bible as a book of fairy tales because they believed that the the race of men such as the hittites, assyrians and phoenicians didn’t exist at all. However, recent archeological evidence showed the existence of these race. This proves that bible is more factual than science itself.
There are still many examples by which bible surpass the credibility of science, another example would be the laws governing crcumcision. In the book of Deuteronomy, it is said that a child should be circumcised on the 9th day. recently, science discovered that the clotting capability of the blood is at its fullest on the 9th day.
Many doubt the existence of Christ just because there are no records that would prove of his existence like the birth certificate that we have now, but let me remind you that during that dark ages. many of the documents of rome where burned believing that is was the work of the devil. Now kind to think of it, i think that no written record about the existence of jesus ill ever appear, and duplication of the document is quite impossible in his case since jesus is considered as a Criminal, unlike Pilate who had his name written in a stone.
I am appalled that Jesus was and continues by some to be considered a Criminal. Pilate was the Criminal for persecuting and killing an innocent man, Jesus.
To Jenny, I feel that you are a good person.I believe that you will be enlightened sooner.
– about you doubting the existence of OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, here’s my humble opinion.
It is better to believe in him than anyone else.I mean if not Jesus who then do you suggest that we should believe? Budda?The Illuminatis? Confuscious? Naaah! Never will I believe in them.
I prefer Jesus Christ because with his teachings we have the biggest possibility of living in PEACE! Ater all you mentioned that you thank him because this world became a better place,something like that.
So, with these healthy discussion that we had,I pray that all of the unbelievers will start to pay homage to his creator.
To Sekularista, Do you know why the DA VINCI CODE book of Dan Brown became famous?
It is because he used someone,a character of timeless importance,a man vehemently being questioned by all and a controversial messenger of GOD as his POINT OF MOCKERY.
IT SAYS ALL! I mean, It just shows how unfathomable JESUS’ popularity and magnificence transcends all generation. If Dan Brown used a not so famous name, hmm, I doubt if he san sell a hundered copies.
He just rode to Jesus Christ’s popularity.
I pity him.
Thank you all for reading.