Perfect Justice in God’s Perfect Time


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Dear Bro. Eli,

Please help me. I don’t know what to feel anymore. It seems like something is attacking my belief in God.

It all started when I read an article about children and women, lots of them, being sold as prostitutes all over the world. Most of the children don’t even know what sex is yet. These women and children are constantly raped, until they won’t pass as a virgin anymore, according to the article I’ve read. And when the children grow up, they don’t know anything but to sell sex so they have no choice but to do it to survive. The numbers of the victims are plenty, Bro. Eli. They are innocent children but they have been dragged into this kind of business. I believe you’ve also heard of this kind of thing, sex trafficking which is a big business done by many countries, especially in the third world.

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My problem is that, I don’t know what to think anymore. Something is lingering in my mind, telling me not to believe in God anymore, although I’m really, really trying hard to disregard this thought inside my mind but whenever I think of what’s happening to these innocent children and poor women, it really makes me sad. Why does God allow this to happen to many innocent Children? It makes me wonder also if God exists (although I really try hard to fight this thought) because of things like this that happen. I’m sorry if it seemed I’m questioning God’s authority, but I don’t really know what to do and think anymore. I’m sorry. I’m so sorry for being so weak at this time but I really need your help in this.

What should I do? Please help me Bro. Eli.

Marcus

 

Dear Marcus,

Evil is everywhere. The whole world now “lieth in wickedness”.

(1 John 5:9) “And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”

The root cause of all evil is the rebellious satan, that now deceive the world.

(Revelation 12:7-9) “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”

There are religions or faith which does not believe in the existence of the devil. One good example is one of the false Christs prophesied by the Bible in the person of Jose Luis Miranda, which was interviewed by NBC, and said in international television that the devil or satan does not exist.

Some of the teachings of Jose Luis De Jesus Miranda, leader of Growing in Grace

…Sin no longer exist

…There’s no such thing as “the devil”

…Prayer is a waste of time

…All religious leaders are liars

The Bible never speaks of vain things or things unreal.

(James 4:5) “Do ye think that the Scripture saith in vain…”

Every word of God conveys truth and wisdom.

(Psalms 119:160) “Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth forever.”

(Proverbs 8:8) “All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.”

The word of God speaks of the devil and demons. They are realities, although not seen by the human eyes. Their works and devices are manifested among human beings.

(Revelation 16:14) “For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.”

The devil is not only concerned about the leaders of the world, but also to judges, magistrates, and religious leaders. Their victims are the innocent, the ignorant, and the poor.

(Job 9:24) “The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?”

(2 Corinthians 11:13-15) “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”

Some of their victims are the unsuspecting.

(Romans 16:17-18) Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them that are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling, contrary to the doctrine which ye learned: and turn away from them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Christ, but their own belly; and by their smooth and fair speech they beguile the hearts of the innocent.”ASV

They even show miracles to deceive people.

(Matthew 24:24) “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”

These are some of the tangible realities proving the existence of the devil and demons in this world. Anybody who will say that the devil and demons do not exist is showing their utter ignorance of God’s word and realities.

The evil that you are mentioning about children and women being exploited as sex slaves of the opportunistic, abusive, rich, and powerful people in society are works of the devil.

(James 3:15-16) “This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.”

The evil that you see and hear makes you doubt of the existence of God. I am sorry to hear this from you. This is the common thinking of people who spend a little effort — or non at all, in searching for realities in life. They say that if God exist and is real, why does He allow these things to happen? But this thinking is neither logical nor scientific.

Scientifically, chaos is opposed to order. Mutation is opposed to the regular characteristics of a gene or a chromosome. It is an alteration of the normal process.

mother-and-child.jpgDo you believe that we have things, traits, and characteristics of every existing thing in this world which we may consider normal? I believe you do. Normally, a parent cares for his or her child. Normally, a hen cares for its chicks. Normally, a dove feed its young. Normal people have in them the feeling of love, care, compassion, and respect for others. This is reality. But there are those who murder and rape their own children. There are those who have no pity towards others. These are things abnormal. All these things are caused by the influence of a reality that exists: the devil.

The existence of the devil proves the existence of God. God hates evil. He does not want evil to happen to anyone; but there is another reality to consider. He has given His creatures the power to choose between good and evil. He made us with the power to decide for ourselves, to choose, to dislike — making us better than a robot. I will — and perhaps you, also — not want to be a robot. The greatest gift of God in our being is the power to decide for ourselves. He wants us to obey Him at will and not by force.

(Isaiah 1:19) “If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land…”

The cause of evil is the improper use of our free will. But we must not doubt God’s justice. Victims of evil will be rewarded justice in God’s perfect time. The question with some of us is we only consider what is ‘now’ and what is ‘seen’. God is eternal; and there is eternity that comes ahead. Surely, every evil act will be punished and every victim will be comforted.

(Isaiah 13:11) “And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.”

He is not slow or slack about His promise, but is long-suffering for He waits for sinners to repent and realize their mistakes; and do not want anybody to perish.

(2 Peter 3:9) “The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.” RSV

This is being abused by many, but it will satisfy God’s justice for them when they are punished with eternal damnation.

(Ecclesiastes 8:11) “Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.”

(2 Thessalonians 2:11-12) “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”

God is a God of perfect justice. Hope in your heart that there is a time — a perfect time for God’s intervention… and it is coming soon!

May God enlighten you.

 

God Bless you.

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100 Responses to Perfect Justice in God’s Perfect Time

  1. nurr25 says:

    It is a very enlightening advice, Bro. Eli!

    Some people really doubt the existence of God everytime they see cruelties and injustices. This may due to the insufficient knowledge they have about the Words of God.

    God knows everything what happening in this world. Indeed, He will certainly execute a perfect justice in a perfect time and when this come, no one could question Him but to say amen.

    Come what may, I know a thing which is true..
    “Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.” I thank God coz I am now learned about the Words of God through the teachings of Bro. Eli.

    Thanks be to GOD.

  2. Julius says:

    huhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (deep sigh) God is the most perfect judge we can ever see! As what the Bible says, God is a God of perfect justice!

    “…Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.” Rev 7:12

  3. nancy says:

    Marcus,

    Please, take heed to Bro. Eli’s advice and start to meditate the Word of God in the Bible from time to time. This makes you understand God’s love for you and relieve you of remorse and blunders in your heart and mind. After all,a victim of satan can be a victor if one really clings to God through the guide of Bro. Eli.

  4. ella says:

    start listening to God’s doctrine and you will realize the existence of GOD.

  5. we should treasure/love our children, they are a gift from above. well said…

  6. himno says:

    The existence of the devil proves the existence of God.
    The cause of evil is the improper use of our free will.-brd eli

    Amen….!

  7. michael santos says:

    Amen to that!!!

  8. antonio says:

    we are proud to have you bro.Eli

    TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!!

  9. Old_Path says:

    (DO NOT JUST BELIEVE BUT consider the following)

    1. Sin no longer exist & there’s no such thing as “the devil”.

    “BAD AS HE IS, THE DEVIL may be abused, Be falsely charged, and causelessly accused, When men unwilling to be blamed alone shift off those crimes on HIM which are their own” (DEFOE, 1726)

    if God is the supreme Lord, it means that He is ultimately responsible for everything for that happens in His creation… If He is within everything and is the primal doer within all things,
    then He must also be the creator of satan —- misery, suffering, and all the rest. If He is not then He is not supreme! Because God is sovereignly in control, accident are just incidents in God’s plan. , if “EVIL” IS NOT UNDER GODS CONTROL, THEN WHO IS IN CONTROL?. THE PROBLEM IS
    INTELLECTUALLY INTRACTABLE, FOR IF GOD IS THE SUPREME POWER AND CREATOR. HE MUST HAVE CREATED SATAN TOO, OR, TAKING THE SITUATION AS IT IS NOW, IF GOD IS ENTIRELY OPPOSSED TO THE ACTIVITIES OF SATAN, WHY SHOULD HE PERMIT HIS CONTINUED EXISTENCE? Is there an “evil” in the highest perspective (in the absolute truth) or there is none ? Is the perception of that we called “Evil” just a by-product of ignorance due to our limited understanding of that “Absolute Reality” in this relative reality or not?

    What is it that we call Evil? Well, what ever it is, it appears quite real to us. The answer is that anything which we do not like is evil to us. This is of course, the narrow and egoistical
    viewpoint. And it is just this ego that plays all the mischief in our thinking. But it is the common way of looking at things.

    Let me give you an examples:

    A little boy is called in from play to have his face washed. He doesnt like the procedure. To him, that is an evil. Its a displeasure, He disobyes his mother and has to be punished.
    to him, that is another evil. He sees nothing in it but evil. To him the whole world is a theater of evil simply bcoz it has so many “Dont’s in it.

    A man allows his passions to get the upper hand over him, and he commits crime. He has to go to prison. To him that prison is an evil. But socieity does not regard that prison as an evil.

    A man gets an appendicitis. He has to go to a hospital and undergo an operation. It may be difficult for him to decide which is the greater evil, the appendicitis or the operation.
    To him it is all bad enough. But socieity regards the hospital as a real blessings.

    A man who was cruel to his wife and five small children got accidentally killed. To that wife, his death was a terrible blow, for it left here with an intolerable burden on her hands. To
    her, his death was an evil, a calamity. But looked at from an impartial, higher viewpoint,his death was probabaly the best thing that could have happened, not only to society but to
    the family itself.

    YOu see, a thing becomes an evil only from the narrow egoistic viewpoint. To sum up, there is no such thing as evil per se. Evil as a reality is philosophically unthinkable, and there the matter must end so far as metaphysics is concerned. Evil is in the category of negation. It has no actual existence. It is a lesser light. When light is abundant, there is no shadow, and in absolute darkness, there is no shadow. So it is with evil. The assumption that evil is a reality has caused much confusion in philosophy and religion. It is of no use to deny the difficulty, we must assume that if evil exists, God is responsible for it. And such an assumption lands us in a maze of Philosophical difficulties from which there appears to be no escape.

    And driven to the wall by this fact, many thinkers have declared that there is no God. How can there be a God in charge of a whole world full of woe and sins? In a universe created by an all-wise God, whose fundamental essences goodness and love, there is no room for such thing as evil. It simply does not exist. But there are many degrees of good, of the light. IN its final aspects, in the highest perspective,there is nothing bad in the world, neither is there sin nor fault in anyone. But in our ignorance,believing the darkness to be something real, we grope about in the shadows. But is is only a negation. The man who never saw light or heard of it would not suspect that he was in darkness. To him that darkness would be normal. So it is with evil. It is only because we know of a greater good that we feel the pain of evil.

    Generally speaking, the perception of Evil is just due to our limited understanding of that “Absolute Reality”

    2. Prayer is a waste of time.

    Why?

    Because we do not know how to pray! Our intellect is limited, an individual does not know whether what he is asking for would, in the long run be for his good. We are entangled in bodily and sensual pleasures, our vision does not arise above them. If we were to receive all we ask for we would certainly be involved in more sensual pleasures. Our vision being limited cannot see beyond ourselves and our surroundings.

    Prayer of Thanksgiving is acceptable!

    “He knoweth what things ye have need of before ye ask HIM”

    Therefore Be IT DONE ACCORDING TO THY WILL is the best above all.

    3. All religious leaders are liars

    “Spirituality unites people, it is the sectarianism of religions that divides them”

    “Woe unto you religious leaders, hypocrites! for yes hut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for ye neither go (Meditate)in yourselves neither suffer ye them that are entering in”

    “Woe unto you religious leaders, for ye have taken away the key of knowledge Ye entered not in yourselves and them that were entering in ye hindered.”

    “Woe unto you religious leaders, for yeare as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them”

    “Woe to the religious leaders for they are like dog sleeping in the manger of oxen, for neither does he eat does he let the oxen eat.”

    • Jenn says:

      People say there is no good or evil because they do not understand. You said it yourself, it is intellectually intractable, perhaps from your point of view.

      Point no. 1: Bro Eli’s blog had stated it in the most comprehensible manner: God is all powerful and in His love for us, He gave us the free will. Some chose good, others chose evil. But if you would only consult your heart, it is the good that is natural. As a child, I did not feel good disobeying my parents. Same thing, as an adult, I would not feel good committing crime. I don’t know about you but as a normal human being, that is what I feel at least. And looking back, I have never imagined that washing my face is evil even if I did feel hesitant then to do it. But it wasn’t evil for me, I knew it was for my good, but I was just lazy.

      If you would only be honest to yourself, there is no need to be confused between what’s good and evil. Good is inherent in human beings as creations of God.

      Point number 2: You said prayer is a waste of time because people do not know how to pray. To a sensible mind, ceasing to pray is not the solution to this but to learn how to pray. Just as a student wouldn’t stop attending classes just because he doesn’t know how to solve his algebras, so it is with praying. You wouldn’t stop praying, instead you would know how your prayers will be qualified.

      Point no. 3: Perhaps, from your point of view, all religious leaders are liars because you haven’t met Bro Eli Soriano.

  10. sweetchelly says:

    I also felt the same but never did I thought of blaming God for this. It just leaves a question in my mind. but now i know that there is what you call “God’s perfect time”. everything will be understood by then…

  11. Rowena says:

    To Marcus

    I have seen also the 4-hour movie “Human Trafficking” same with what you have read. But the cruelty of the devil is in plenty form and the biggest form is in deceiving billion of people to a false religion…wrong faith to God.

    Please continue listening to Bro. Eli and you will undestand God’s justice deeper and you will not be afraid anymore.

  12. elmantheman says:

    Learning the Bible
    Jun 17th, 2007 by elmantheman

    Fools learned from fools and went everywhere to teach.

    Almost all people have been collecting ideas from everywhere: from buddhism to catholicism, and even atheism and incorporate these to be the source of their belief and faith. What is obviously wrong with this is that they would even prefer calling themselves, Christians. They also use each ideas in reference to what they want to prove. Why are there confusions on what to believe in? It is because in one way or another, they formulate an answer from different facts coming from diverse cultures. A pure and undefiled religion becomes the opposite, and adulterated religion.

    Let me just inform you that when you want to learn about the Bible, and even God, you need to drop first all the things you learned about it, everything that was taught to you. Forget what everybody said about it.

    Now, that is the beginning of wisdom. Before you can build a structure, you need to start from the base or the foundation to make sure that it will stand the test of time. You cannot just build a pyramid using sticks or just plain wood.

    Matthew 7:

    22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

    23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

    25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

    26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

    27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

    28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:

    29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

    It is but high time to realize that almost all those who established their own church taught us not having the authority, but as scribes.

    They are hypocrites! They have all the money, the bed, the food. Even in the Philippines, bishops here wear a lot of jewelries and have their haciendas. But look at one of the Catholic churches in Quiapo, most of the beggars there are children.

    When you learn about God from these priests, no wonder why you will hate God.

    Romans 1:

    21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.But let me remind you, when there is a false teaching, there is also a true teaching. Help others find it. Let us not stop those people who cares to find the truth!

    Psalms 53:

    1The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.”

    For sure, they will ask: Who’s going to teach me about the bible? Who shall introduce me to the God of the Bible?

    No less than the author of this blog: esoriano.wordpress.com, Bro Eli Soriano. Ask him and the bible shall answer.

  13. Jacob Felon says:

    I do believe blacks and people of color do try to be more righteous and forgiving than God:

    http://www.americanpatriate.com/blacks_more_forgiving_than _god2.html

    “Are blacks more righteous than God?” The question is being posed by Jacobi Ali, son of firebrand minister and leader of the New Negro Sun Worship movement Yacub 7 Ali, as he embarks on a national tour to encourage blacks of all faiths to learn his father’s science of projecting ultraviolet light onto the skin whites to inflict them with skin cancers.

    “You don’t have to be a sun worshiper to use your the gift your skin color gives you. You can still be a Christian, Muslim or Atheist.

    “The sentence and directive handed down from the heavens against white people is clear: they are to be burned with sores and tumors that are to be seen on their cheeks, necks, earlobes and hands,” Ali said. “With the same vanity with which they once spent hours adoring themselves with before their mirrors, they must now look for sores, bumps, rashes and moles.”

    Jacobi, the second son of Yacub 7, spoke before an audience of nearly 3,000 at the group’s Atlanta compound.

    “Jacobi has been selected by his father to go forth on this tour,” Yacub 7 Ali national spokesman and Prime Minister Lucifer Nigaros said.

    “The Sun of God wants white people burned and has blessed black people with the natural ability to burn them. Yet, there are blacks who don’t want to burn them?” Ali asked. “I ask again: are blacks more righteous than the Sun of God?”

  14. joren says:

    to marcus: i’m glad that you have found the right person to ask about your confusions and beliefs.. preferably, there’s no other pastor that can answer like Bro.Eli does for the past years of his ministry. I hope this is not the last for you to search for more wisdom.

    “please do help Bro.Eli in this mass propagation. Promote to your friends, relatives, co-worker about this blog site of the Only Sensible preacher in our times. tc. “

  15. Tony Santos says:

    Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

    God will repay everyone accordingly, whether good or bad. Let us give way for God’s justice and it’s coming very soon.

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  17. scripture616 a.k.a. J.PIZARRO says:

    Dear Bro. Marcus,

    May you find enlightenment in what bro Eli has shared with us.

    True, you are not the only one who has this conflict in thier minds about certain doubts about God and His existence.
    Even proffessing christians know and feel this, some are just plain hypocrites to admit it. Some, really did succumbed to the fantasies in thier psyche, have adopted demented philosophies that there is no God. They have put to action and reality what the Devil has imputed in their minds.

    But unlike you, you acknowledge this quandary and seek advice from the preacher of God on how to overcome this.
    That in itself proves to me, though i know you not that you are a God fearing person.

    May God forbid that you will be one of them Bro Marcus . . . .

    Pls continue your search for His wisdom and truth . . . . . . . .

  18. Emmanuel says:

    there is no other preacher like Bro.Eli that could explain the whole truth…to God be the Glory!

  19. Old_path says:

    ELMANTHEMAN # 12

    Almost all people have been collecting ideas from everywhere: from buddhism to catholicism, and even atheism and incorporate these to be the source of their belief and faith. What is obviously wrong with this is that they would even prefer calling themselves, Christians

    reply:

    Elmantheman, have you been informed that even the word Christian and Christianity were simply borrowed by the later christians from the TEMPLE TERMINOLOGY of the PAGANS? The early church knew this to be a fact, for it is openly admitted by no less an authority than Justine Martyr, one of the foremost Christian writers of the second century. Yes by Justine Martyr himself!

    Have you been informed that the term christian and christianity
    were already well known to writers like Herodotus and Aeschylus fully 5 centuries before the “christian era”?

    So Mr. Elmantheman, in short there is nothing unique in today’s Christianity. There is not a single dogma, ritual nor ceremony in the Christian Church that has not been taken from the so called “Pagan” religions. Therefore so long as pagan schools existed, the Church could not without contradiction represent herself as the sole repository of knowledge. And your Mother church tried to destroy all the evidences by wiping out the pagan schools, the pagan records, even the pagan philosophers themselves.

  20. rafic says:

    dear marcus,

    i hope you will continue asking bro.Eli…he will surely enlighten you..

    Also this is another unsolicited advice…

    before you get confused if there is really a GOD…try also to look around you..look at the natural things you are seeing in a day or a night…if you know something about science..then learn from it as well…why does plants needs what we exhale??..and why does we need what plants exhale??..why are our earth is hanging in the air??..why are there so many planets and galaxies in our universe??..

    Dont u realize marcus that there is ONE powerful and Almighty being that created all of these??..

    marvel marcus..use your eyes and senses..look around you..or just maybe think of your being..do you realize how perfect our human body was created??..

    continue searching for the truth marcus…

    continue reading articles here…

  21. Adeniba Adepoyigi says:

    Dear Marcus:

    The real cause of all the evils you see around the world today, including the ones you mentioned, is religion, in particular, the ‘Abrahamic’ religions. These religions, for over two thousand years, have spurned a big lie, for their own selfish need to control others, that there is a personal, all powerful God up there in the sky who controls the affairs of humans and watches every move an individual makes. The worst of the three ‘Abrahamic’ religions, in this regard, is perhaps Christianity. The effect of this lie is that it removed the responsibility for controlling and managing our own human affairs from our hands and placed it in the hands of this God. We are taught to be good people in order to gain the approval of this God and escape His punishment. Further, we are taught that this God will judge every individual after death and mete out the appropriate reward and punishment.

    But its all a big lie. It is an old ploy which the priesthood of the religions used for the only purpose of gaining the submissiveness of the people and their total control by claiming the power of intercession through their special relationship with this God. That’s all there is to it.

    This false doctrine of ‘a God in total control and management of human affairs’ is in direct contrast with the earlier ‘spirituality’ developed in most indigenous societies. The core of this spirituality is that it is for an individual good and interest to be good to others in society. In other words, the responsibility for being good rests with the individual which means that society will demand a price (payback or sacrifice) when a person infringes on the social order. This spirituality places firmly in our hands the responsibility for controlling and managing our own human affairs.

    You may want to consider other ways of understanding your relationship with God and free yourself from this big lie which has been etched in our consciousness through years of indoctrination and plain fear mongering. But you must be prepared to do a lot of reading.

    Adeniba Adepoyigi
    Australia

  22. mini me says:

    Is anyone there wants to respond to old_path (post #9) ?

  23. antonio says:

    for you LIAR, A CHEATER WHO ADDRESSED THE NAME OLD PATH:

    You are a LIAR, A CHEATER

    ACTS13:10″and said, O full of all guile and all villany, thou son of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?(ASV)

    GAL.1:8″But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.(ASV)

    JOHN 7:17 “If any man willeth to do his will, he shall know of the teaching, whether it is of God, or whether I speak from myself.”(ASV)

  24. antonio says:

    TO LIAR WHO USED THE NAME OLD_PATH:

    YOU CHEATER!!! YOU INTENTIONALLY USED THE NAME OLD_PATH TO CONFUSED THE SOUL OF THE INNOCENT.

    BUT YOUR LINE OF REASONING SHOWS THAT YOU ARE NOT OF GOD.

    2COR. 2:11″ that no advantage may be gained over us by Satan: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

  25. antonio says:

    to LIAR WHO USED THE NAME OLD_PATH:

    COME OUT YOUR SHELL!!!

    I KNOW THAT YOU ARE A BELIEVER OF “ABSOLUTE REALITY”

    “ABSOLUTE LIES”

  26. NiCKoGeNe says:

    WOW! i was crying when i’ve read this article.. i do believe in what Bro.Eli said.. its really TRUE as the BIBLE said.. that was on my mind too when i’m in darkness, when i’m not yet receiving the WORD f GOD, i do BELIEVE in GOD but there are some questions in my mind but finally.. i really understand by listening to the WORD of GOD with the help of BRo.Eli.. we really be THANKFUL to GOD..

  27. cool blue says:

    marcus,

    I know there are lots of questions that are still in your mind…. Just keep asking bro.eli, for he is the only preacher at this time who can give the answers that you need to hear. There is God above…. every time you wake up in the morning, you will see and realize that there is one powerful God who gave you that another day and who gave you a new life! Keep asking bro. Eli!!!!

  28. who says:

    PERFECT!

  29. elmantheman says:

    About post #19.

    I do not want to refer you as the Old Path as you are a path that leads to more confusion and deceit – and you know who you are.

    Regardless of what you say, you can never change how the Christianity is defined in the Scriptures. A man’s words can change, even his interpretation, but God does not.

    Matthew 24:
    35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

    Let your pagans define Christianity, and we will define ours based on the bible. Hear from us, and you will never be disappointed as Bro Elis Soriano read to you who we are: as servants of God, and as part of the body of Jesus Christ.

    Yeah, there is nothing unique to Christianity right now, that one that even you are trying to adulterate,

    except that Christianity that Jesus Christ commands us to be.

    We are members of the Church of God and we are fortunate to become one. As Christians,

    Gal 3:

    13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”

    14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

    23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.

    24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.

    25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.

    Truly:

    Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein – Jeremiah 6:16

    If you are talking about Catholicism as the mother church, we are totally different from her.

    It is unfortunate that you are embracing paganism motivated by the heartache that what is due to your Pagan belief was destroyed by Catholicism.

    Indeed, she may have destroyed what you are insinuating about paganism but in a deceitful way, if it’s true. Why? It is because she has obviously incorporated Paganism as part of her teachings. Just observe her rituals during her mass. The idols, the mother and child, etc.

  30. Julius says:

    It seems like OPEN-MINDED and OLD_PATH are relatives. They have the same kind of thinking and reasoning. Really great inventors, pretending to know the “PARABLES OF CHRIST”, consequently leading to the creation of their own improvised parables to deceit people. BEWARE OF THEM!!!

  31. Julius says:

    OBSERVE THIS GUYS:

    THIS IS FROM OPEN-MINDED(daw!!!):

    Are you free to choose in the HIGHEST PERSPECTIVE?

    Ignorant says: Yes!
    Open-minded says: NO!

    THIS IS FROM OLD_PATH:

    Is there an “evil” in the HIGHEST PERSPECTIVE(in the absolute truth) or there is none ? Is the perception of that we called “Evil” just a by-product of ignorance due to our limited understanding of that “Absolute Reality” in this relative reality or not?

    This tricky questions which they say are analysis in the HIGHEST PERSPECTIVE, they will then follow it with their own set of PARABLES to deceit people.

    BE WISE GUYS, AND WATCH OUT!!! WE HAVE THE BIBLE, AND THATS OUR BASIS OF THE TRUTH. INGAT PO TAYO!!!

  32. Old_Path says:

    To shouting Antonio:

    Is the word OLD PATH a personal property of Church of God International?

    The right path is the OLD PATH!

    or in tagalog:

    “Ang tamang daan ay ang DATING DAAN”

    The OLD PATH is the ancient way back to God, or in other words, it is the ancient Path leading back to the Source. Is it not?

    The ageless wisdom comes from the OLD PATH. Without the OLD PATH there is no liberation, therefore it is indeed true that the right path is the OLD PATH.

    ———————————————————————

    #29 To Elmantheman

    Brother, do not segregate yourselves as completely different from HER, you are probably just a finer form coming from HER, but still within HER “fold”.

    In essence you are not part of the OLD PATH, but belong to a new path which is absolutely different from the OLD.

    If you are following the new path as you claimed (in Galatian), How can you be part of the OLD PATH?

  33. EYES says:

    TO: Old_Path

    you wrote: What is it that we call Evil? Well, what ever it is, it appears quite real to us. The answer is that anything which we do not like is evil to us. This is of course, the narrow and egoistical

    yuo wrote: YOu see, a thing becomes an evil only from the narrow egoistic viewpoint. To sum up, there is no such thing as evil per se.

    you wrote: is there an “evil” in the highest perspective (in the absolute truth) or there is none ? Is the perception of that we called “Evil” just a by-product of ignorance due to our limited understanding of that “Absolute Reality” in this relative reality or not?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Since you are discussing about the “absolute reality” or
    “relativity theory” of an evil then we will discuss first in the old, old, old days of the old days in earth.

    “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:……………….”

    what this image?

    ans. The image of righteousness

    what is the whole matter of this righteousness?

    ans. it’s CONSCIENCE (believe it or not)

    why?

    let’s hear what the devil say.

    I think there is a conflict here?

    we know in this theory that the image of GOD in us is our conscience.

    conscience – the sense of what is right and wrong that governs somebody’s thoughts and actions, urging him or her to do right rather than wrong.

    but the statement of the devil tells that we don’t have conscience in the beginning unless Adam and Eve eat that forbidden fruits.

    but is the devil statement is true or liar?

    lets investigate:

    ” But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. ”

    That law above signify that GOD is exercising our conscience through his basic law not to eat the forbidden fruits.

    Therefore: the devil is liar!

    but what happen after the forbidden fruit was eaten by Adam and Eve?

    what kind of manipulation?

    Adam said:

    Therefore the manipulation is:

    CONSCI ENCE
    CONSCI OUS

    believe it or not?

    Therefore:

    do you believe that the root of the devil in an “absolute reality” is being conscious.

    what’s the antidote?

    to be continued…………………it is in another topic………..

    EYES

  34. EYES says:

    TO: Old_Path

    you wrote: What is it that we call Evil? Well, what ever it is, it appears quite real to us. The answer is that anything which we do not like is evil to us. This is of course, the narrow and egoistical

    yuo wrote: YOu see, a thing becomes an evil only from the narrow egoistic viewpoint. To sum up, there is no such thing as evil per se.

    you wrote: is there an “evil” in the highest perspective (in the absolute truth) or there is none ? Is the perception of that we called “Evil” just a by-product of ignorance due to our limited understanding of that “Absolute Reality” in this relative reality or not?

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Since you are discussing about the “absolute reality” or
    “relativity theory” of an evil then we will discuss first in the old, old, old days of the old days in earth.

    “And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:……………….”

    what this image?

    ans. The image of righteousness

    what is the whole matter of this righteousness?

    ans. it’s CONSCIENCE (believe it or not)

    why?

    let’s hear what the devil say.

    > For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. <

    I think there is a conflict here?

    we know in this theory that the image of GOD in us is our conscience.

    conscience – the sense of what is right and wrong that governs somebody’s thoughts and actions, urging him or her to do right rather than wrong.

    but the statement of the devil tells that we don’t have conscience in the beginning unless Adam and Eve eat that forbidden fruits.

    but is the devil statement is true or liar?

    lets investigate:

    ” But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. ”

    That law above signify that GOD is exercising our conscience through his basic law not to eat the forbidden fruits.

    Therefore: the devil is liar!

    but what happen after the forbidden fruit was eaten by Adam and Eve?

    what kind of manipulation?

    Adam said:

    Therefore the manipulation is:

    CONSCI ENCE
    CONSCI OUS

    believe it or not?

    Therefore:

    do you believe that the root of the devil in an “absolute reality” is being conscious.

    what’s the antidote?

    to be continued…………………it is in another topic………..

    EYES

  35. jet says:

    9 OLD_PATH,

    A. Sin exists and there such thing as the devil – ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE.

    1. Yes, it is true that God created also the angels, including, lucifer, who is satan. In fact:

    Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

    But never did He intend for any of His creation to rebel against Him. Instead, His will is for them to fear Him and follow His commandments, just like for man, who is a fellowservant of angels.

    Revelation 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
    9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

    Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.

    But, even if satan and his angels rebelled against God, that did not make God lesser than being Almighty. It has no effect.

    Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

    2. The thing is, sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily.

    Ecclesiastes 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.

    3. But an everlasting fire has already been prepared for them.

    Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

    4. You know, in the bible, there were many things that happened, which God did not plan, nor even came into His mind. To cite one:

    Jeremiah 19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:

    So, was God in control of this? If not, who was?

    2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    4. On the other hand, there are things (which seem to be bad for most people) that He allows/permits to happen for certain reasons. To cite one:

    Isaiah 57:1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

    5. Think of this for an answer to your question, “IF GOD IS ENTIRELY OPPOSSED TO THE ACTIVITIES OF SATAN, WHY SHOULD HE PERMIT HIS CONTINUED EXISTENCE?”

    If you will agree with me, God is just, right? If God would have done that, He would also had done it to man, also, right? But the thing is, God loves man. If God was to discontinue satan’s existence because he did something wrong, God would also had to end Adam and Eve when they committed a mistake, right? But because God loves man, He did not. After all:

    Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

    6. You said, “The answer is that anything which we do not like is evil to us. This is of course, the narrow and egoistical viewpoint.”

    But for christians in the bible:

    Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
    4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
    5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

    7. As to your examples:

    a. Having one’s face washed is not the evil. Disobeying his mother when she intends something good for him is the bad thing.

    b. Prison is not the evil. But the crime that he did.

    c. In the bible, if you believe in it, there is nothing wrong with that because:

    Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
    d. This is a little complicated. But for christians in the bible, they were told to love even their enemy.

    8. Before you conclude that there is no such thing as evil or sin, you should have considered that:

    1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

    BUT IF WE BASE OUR DISCUSSION NOT ON THE BIBLE, I CAN TELL EVERYONE BASELESS STORIES MORE ABSURD THAN YOURS.

  36. jet says:

    B. Prayer is not a waste of time – ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE

    1. You said, “Because we do not know how to pray!”

    Why? Because you do not base your beliefs in the bible. If you only you have read and followed what God commanded His people in the bible, you would have learned how to pray yourself. Like the christians in the bible who were told how:

    a. Philippians 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
    7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

    b. Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
    6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
    7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

    See? Well, if your are already blinded, you won’t.

    2. You said, “Our intellect is limited, an individual does not know whether what he is asking for would, in the long run be for his good.”

    I should say instead, that, the fact that our being is limited, should make us all the more to pray to God Who created us. This is the reason why we should ask for guidance from Him in prayer.

    3. You said, “Our vision being limited cannot see beyond ourselves and our surroundings.”

    Just because of that, praying becomes a waste of time already? A BIG NO! Why? The Lord Jesus Christ told the early christians::

    Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
    8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
    9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
    10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
    11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?

    How? BY PRAYER AND SUPPLICATION WITH THANKSGIVING!

    Philippians 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.

    I’M TELLING YOU AGAIN, IF WE BASE OUR DISCUSSION NOT ON THE BIBLE, I CAN TELL EVERYONE BASELESS STORIES MORE ABSURD THAN YOURS.

  37. jet says:

    C. Not All Religious Leaders are Liars – ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE.

    If it is true that ALL religious leaders are liars, then your COHORT, LUIS MIRANDA is a LIAR. He really is, because his father, the devil, is a liar like him, and the father of lies.

    John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    Most of religious leaders maybe liars, but in the bible, the words of God are committed to faithful men who are able to teach others.

    2 Timothy 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.

    You want some?

    Colossians 1:7 As ye also learned of Epaphras our dear fellowservant, who is for you a faithful minister of Christ;

    Colossians 4:7 All my state shall Tychicus declare unto you, who is a beloved brother, and a faithful minister and fellowservant in the Lord:

    Do you think that God would abandon His people among religious leaders nowadays who are mostly LIARS? No! If in the past there were faithful men, the same thing now because God requires that which is past.

    Ecclesiastes 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

    Maybe, you just haven’t found any of them because your father, the devil blinded the likes of LUIS MIRANDA, QUIBOLOY, etc… May you be not one of them for the rest of your life..

    2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    AND AGAIN, IF WE BASE OUR DISCUSSION NOT ON THE BIBLE, I CAN TELL EVERYONE BASELESS STORIES MORE ABSURD THAN YOURS.

  38. nancy says:

    What Bro. Eli said is a perfect mind of GOD, so don’t waste even a single word of it. You will never find anybody else like Him.
    Act now, read the bible and listen to Him always.

  39. jet says:

    9 OLD_PATH,

    Also, if for you, sin no longer exists, then you are A BIG DECEIVER! Why?

    1 John 1:8  ¶If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

    If you are able to deceive yourself, how can you not deceive others as well? The likes of MIRANDA AND QUIBOLOY does not only deceive their members, but also themselves.

    “Truly, a child of the devil”, quiboloy said -TO HIMSELF! :)

  40. jet says:

    9 OLD_PATH,

    Also, if for you, sin no longer exists, then you are A BIG DECEIVER! Why?

    1 John 1:8 ¶If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

    If you are able to deceive yourself, how can you not deceive others as well? The likes of MIRANDA AND QUIBOLOY does not only deceive their members, but also themselves.

    “Truly, a child of the devil”, quiboloy said -TO HIMSELF! :)

  41. sweet_ella17 says:

    Jet: Jeremiah 19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:

    So, was God in control of this? If not, who was?

    %%%%

    Of course jet, God is absolutely in control! So taking Jeremiah as it is will really put God in an unfavorable condition. Im sorry to say but your literal interpretation is absolutely wrong Why?

    Because we, in “Assembly of God” -a born again christian group were informed that God knows everything and this assertion is supported by biblical facts:

    “Whatever cometh into being, the name thereof was given a long time ago, and it is FOREKNOWN what man is, neither can he contend with him that is mightier than he” ( Ecc. 6:10)

    “Thou understandest my thought afar off” (Psalms 139:2)

    “Doth he not see all my ways, and count all my steps” ( Job 31:4)

    “He sees all their going (Job 34:21)

    He exactly ponders man’s behaviour (Proverb 5:21).

    He even knows and arranges all contingencies to happen (I Kings 22:39)

    Therefore, God knows all future things, Yes, all those things to come.

  42. bradyuliyus says:

    to Old_Path
    don’t use the name old_path if you have any respect left for other and for you self. the “ang Dating daan”is very diiferent from the “Ang tamang daan” in ADD bro. Eli speaks only the truth unlike with ATD they just keep on attacking bro.Eli’s personality without proof. Woe on to you for you have to hide in others shadow!!! just like the Manalo clan of church of Manalo 1914.

    Sorry to the manangement of this blog if i have mentioned names I just can’t help my self but to answer that guy over there.. again my apologies. Thanks be to God for I’m enlightened!!!

  43. Beiruth says:

    God is a God of justice.

    Psalms 7:11 God is a righteous judge, yea, a God that hath indignation every day.

    Never doubt His judgments.
    God will never delay or postpone His promises.

    2Corinthians 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

  44. WOLVERINE! says:

    TO SWEET_ELLA,

    Miss, in fairness to jetty he did not take the verse in a literal manner, he was just extracting the substace of the verse just the way it is, no more no less.He was applying the rule of the bible to say it as it is, d mo bah alam yun.

    EXCUSE ME, ITS NOT BEING LITERAL BUT ITS WHAT WE CALL DISCIPLINE IN USING THE WORD OF GOD.

    frankly speaking, i think your reckless and you hve missed the whole point of the verse iha.

    come and analyze with me, jer.19:5″ they have also built the high places of baal to burn their sons with fire for burnt offering onto baal, “which I commanded NOT, nor spake it, “NEITHER CAME INTO MY MIND”

    here’s the LOGIC, “ITS VERY STUPID TO BELIEVE THAT GOD KNEW IT AND AT THE SAME TIME IT DIDN’T CAME INTO HIS MIND”

    Are you playiing DUMB with us dear?

    its like this, if i were to put it in a simple form:

    I KNOW YOUR DUMB BUT IT DID NOT CAME INTO MY MIND THAT YOUR DUMB?
    is that logic to dear? CAN YOU KNOW SOMETHIN THAT DIDNT CAME INTO YOUR MIND?

    CAN GOD KNOW SOMETHIN THAT DIDNT CAME INTO HIS MIND?
    what verse?what verse?what verse?

    NOW AM I BEING LITERAL TOO? OR DID I TAKE IT LOGICALLY?

    that’s the problem with you “BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS” you disregard LOGIC in ur belief. Like the term that you love so mmuch “born again christian”, WHY? IS THERE A CHRISTIAN NOT BORN AGAIN THAT YOU HAVE TO LABEL THE WORD CHRISTIAN “BORN AGAIN”?

    its like this in a simplier form:

    “COLD ICE CREAM”
    Why? is there an ice cream not cold that we have to label the word ice cream “COLD”?

    haaay naku, masmabuti panga yung mga literalist eh, atleast what their sayin is in the bible unlike your term “BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN” which not written down in the bible.

  45. peegee0130 says:

    Thanks for this website Bro. Eli, many people who had a confusion in their mind about the existence of God had enlightened in many aspects. Just continue encouraging people to read the bible so that many will understand the true teachings & doctrines of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    And for you OLD_PATH – jus give ur self a break, kun s tagalog nga e “nakikigulo ka ln” if u know the word “respect” you dont the guts to use the OLD_PATH – just to give confusion w/ many readers of this site.. If may I ask, is that the way ur preacher teaches u? misleading the people in the right doctrines?

  46. peegee0130 says:

    And for you OLD_PATH – jus give ur self a break, kun s tagalog nga e “nakikigulo ka ln” if u know the word “respect” you dont have the guts to use the OLD_PATH – just to give confusion w/ many readers of this site.. If may I ask, is that the way ur preacher teaches u? misleading the people in the right doctrines?

  47. jet says:

    41 sweet_ella17,

    Thanks for your time. BUT:

    1. You said, “Of course jet, God is absolutely in control! So taking Jeremiah as it is will really put God in an unfavorable condition. Im sorry to say but your literal interpretation is absolutely wrong Why? ”

    a. If I was absolutely wrong, then what is your take on that verse?

    Jeremiah 19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:

    When God did not command something? Was He in control?

    When He spake it not? Was He in control?

    WHEN IT NEITHER CAME INTO HIS MIND? WAS HE STILL IN CONTROL?

    b. Do you mean that God still has control over something that He does not will for man to do? Do you, for goodness sake, know who baal is? Are you out of your mind?

    Don’t you know when one served baal, he provoked to anger the Lord God of Israel?

    1 Kings 22:53 For he served Baal, and worshipped him, and provoked to anger the LORD God of Israel, according to all that his father had done.

    Are you blind? What is wrong with your eyes? Is God still in control of this?

    c. Those people who served baal, left all the commandments of the Lord their God.

    2 Kings 17:16 And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal.

    NOW, is God still in absolute control over this? If you say yes, I am also sorry to say then that your god is not the God in the bible.

    d. And like I said to someone on this blog before, in the bible really both literal things and not.

    2 Corinthians 4:18  While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

    And we look at literal things literally, and non-literal things not.

    2. You also said, “Because we, in “Assembly of God” -a born again christian group were informed that God knows everything and this assertion is supported by biblical facts: ”

    a. Well, I am also very sorry to say that your group is not in line with biblical facts. Maybe, they are just one of those:

    Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

    b. In the bible, the brethrens were called CHRISTIANS, not born again christians, which is another invention of your pastors.

    Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

    They glorified God on that behalf.

    1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

    See? Not born again christians! Don’t get fooled by your pastors again.

    c. The church that which is in the bible is called the Church of God, where Paul was an apostle.

    Corinthians 1:1 ¶Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

    3. I am also sorry to say that you were misinformed by your pastors that God knows everything; and that they misunderstood the biblical facts that they used to prove their assertions.

    a. You used Ecl 6:10. Which version is that? Because I have looked at other translations (such as AKJV, ASV, ESV, KJV, LT, MKJV, NIV, NW, WEB, RSV, YLT, DRV, DB, BBE, GNB, GW, GB, and CEV) and it does not say FOREKNOWN, like that which you wrote in BOLD. And nowhere there can you read that God knows EVERYTHING!

    b. In the books of Psalms, Job, and Proverbs, where you cited verses, you should also consider the being of the speaker and the one being referred to. And moreover, the verses did not mention that God knows EVERYTHING!

    c. You also cited:

    1 Kings 22:39  Now the rest of the acts of Ahab, and all that he did, and the ivory house which he made, and all the cities that he built, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel?

    Ha? It was also written in the book of Genesis that:

    Genesis 1:31  ¶And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

    But also in the book of Ecclesiastes that:

    Ecclesiastes 7:29  Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

    And where in that verse in the first book of Kings that you used, that gives even the slightest idea that God knows EVERYTHING?

    4. You concluded, “Therefore, God knows all future things, Yes, all those things to come.”

    Ha? Let me repeat my earlier questions about Jeremiah 19:5.

    When God did not command something, nor spake it, NEITHER CAME INTO HIS MIND? Does God know EVERYTHING?

  48. jet says:

    41 sweet_ella17,

    Let me say it again than I am sorry if I have been harsh, but, the truth really hurts sometimes.

    Hebrews 4:12  For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

    Of course, don’t take it literally. :)

    Let ask the bible as to who was in control that time. I cited:

    2 Corinthians 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    …the god of this world. This is really true. Why? Because:

    John 5:19 We know that we are from God and that the whole world lies under the control of the evil one. (ISV)

    …under the control of the evil one.

    John 5:19 We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. (ESV)

    …lies in the power of the evil one.

    And because:

    John 3:19  And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

    …they loved darkness rather than light.

    May you find the truth.

    Ask Bro. Eli. Watch Ang Dating Daan in UNTV37, http://www.truthcaster.com, http://www.untvweb.com, and http://theoldpath.tv.

  49. navill51 says:

    The differnce between the “Ang Dating Daan” and the “Ang Tamang daan”:

    Ang dating daan is a religious program of GOD’s goodness to man, while The “tamang daan” is an illusion of Manalista to put up on TV to disparage the “Ang Dating Daan”.

    But what has happened is a vise versa because it is the Manalista which is in SHAME because they are the once who are advertising their IGNORANCE in the Bible for their programs is only composed of lies, false comments and accusations against Bro. ELI. This is a clear proof that they have nothing in their heads but the devil because out of the abundance in their hearts they speak out.

    The “Ang Dating Daan” is telling nothing but the TRUTH of GOD.

  50. Nashty COsme says:

    ahm. well… of course in the world we live theres alot of wickedness happening.. it is because GO want to test and see for him the real people of GOD

  51. quiel says:

    OLD PATH I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. DO YOU BELIVE IN ANYTHING? IF YOUR ANSWER IS YES, WHY AND WHAT IS YOUR BASIS OF PROOF?

  52. Sweet_ella17 says:

    To Jetty and Wolvie

    wolvie: come and analyze with me, jer.19:5″ they have also built the high places of baal to burn their sons with fire for burnt offering onto baal, “which I commanded NOT, nor spake it, “NEITHER CAME INTO MY MIND”

    here’s the LOGIC, “ITS VERY STUPID TO BELIEVE THAT GOD KNEW IT AND AT THE SAME TIME IT DIDN’T CAME INTO HIS MIND”

    jetty: When God did not command something, nor spake it, NEITHER CAME INTO HIS MIND? Does God know EVERYTHING?

    %%%%

    Mga iho,

    Makinig naman kayo feeling nio lang marurunong kayo sa logic pero sa totoo lang hindi po! Sorry ha!

    B1: If God knows not everything then who knows?

    None?

    B1a: I dont think so! Reasoning dictates that there must be somebody who Knows everything, whoever he is, He is the Supreme ONE!

    B1 conclusion: If your God knows not everything then your God is only subordinate to B1a

    B2: If God is not present everywhere then who is present?

    None?

    B2a: I dont think so! Reasoning dictates that there must be somebody who is present everywhere, whoever he is, He is the Supreme ONE!

    B2 conclusion: IF your God is not present everywhere then your God is only subordinate to B2a

    The statement: “Neither came into my mind” is figurative, Its implication is directed to whom it may concern and not to God- Himself. It focuses on the unimaginable & unexpected things that they did despite God’s commandment on them.

    YOu cannot apply your logic here wolvie! do you know why? because your logic focuses on literalism which is beyond the extracted relevant message of Prophet Jeremiah.

    Please, do not redirect our discussion to something that is not part of the issue, Why are you talking ill of my congregation? I am not speaking ill of your sect despite the fact that I know… your way is not the right way!

    Again here are the biblical facts for you to consider!

    “Whatever cometh into being, the name thereof was given a long time ago, and it is FOREKNOWN what man is, neither can he contend with him that is mightier than he” ( Ecc. 6:10)

    “Thou understandest my thought afar off” (Psalms 139:2)

    “Doth he not see all my ways, and count all my steps” ( Job 31:4)

    “He sees all their going (Job 34:21)

    He exactly ponders man’s behaviour (Proverb 5:21).

    He even knows and arranges all contingencies to happen (I Kings 22:39)

    Therefore, God knows all future things, Yes, all those things to come.

    • Jenn says:

      I think that since we are given free will, we have the power to choose over things and there are decisions that we have control over. These decisions, God doesn’t know. Otherwise, we’re nothing more than robots.

  53. erika says:

    i have a sister in flesh who is a member of the inc or should i say a fanatic of manalo.as far as i could see at this point,the diffrence about me and her is when i wasnt in the Church of God yet and was continually commiting sins,i wasnt active nor a believer in the slightest way of any religion that existed because i was always being honest to myself that with the way of my living,GOD would not even wanna lay eyes on me.though,i had times where i wanted to serve him but didnt know how to or where.i tried to attend there church once or twice i think but didnt persuade me in the slightest bit cause i coudnt see anything good out of her being involved in manalos church nor did i pick up anything good after i attended there or even understand whatever there pastors were talking about.all im saying is that the problem with some of these people who are in these churches wants to cleanse theyre conciense and pretend that they love GOD by staying in these churches but dont want to change theyre ways or should i say still want to live earthly while some of them are doing it out of pride,cause i think that being a real christian is being diffrent with the rest of the world. for example its really hard to say that drinking strong alcoholic drinks is being rebelious cause if you open youre eyes,people who arent drinking it are the ones that are extremly small in number.well with all honesty im really nobody and i have nothing to boast about me personally but one thing do i know that the words that comes out of BRO.ELI are the words that gave me hope and is continously refraining me from being who i used to be but instead,making me try and try to follow GOD’S will day by day and that even theyre are times where i see myself stumbling i keep on standing up again ofcourse all these i believe is because of GOD’S help and mercy through continously listening to Bro.Eli’s preachings.Cause i wanna be where Bro.Eli will be after his life in the flesh on earth.

  54. sherra says:

    Before you doubt in the existence of God, you first have to study you’re very existence on who made you and causes you to live.Before doubting on God’s love to humans, try to realize your everyday survival , who gives you food to eat and who saves you from accidents everywhere. And before we have seen and being hurt in these worldwide crimes , I t is God who have experienced pains to see these cruelties. Jer. 7:30-31,ISa. 1:14-15.

  55. nancy says:

    Believe in the Bible which is Bro. Eli is preaching because he preaches it exactly as what the GOD of Heavens wants.

    Even if I want to add about His teachings, I could not, because His teachings is perfect because GOD is with Him. All I can say is listen to Bro. Eli because He is Only one among us.

  56. jet says:

    52 Sweaty,

    Iha,

    1. You said, “Makinig naman kayo feeling nio lang marurunong kayo sa logic pero sa totoo lang hindi po! Sorry ha! ”

    Don’t be sorry. Your pastors should be sorry, to have misinformed you. We may not hear you, but I can surely read what you write. I don’t feel that I am logically wise. It is not for me to say so.

    2. You asked, “B1: If God knows not everything then who knows? None? ”

    I say, surely, not me! Do you? But let us examine the verse again.

    Jeremiah 19:5  They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:

    Notice the verb used: BUILT. This is in past tense, right? Notice also the other verb used: CAME. This is also past tense, right? Well, my teacher back in primary taught me so.

    Now, are you telling me that BEFORE these people committed the act that they did, God knew it already? You should consider that this thing NEITHER CAME IT INTO HIS MIND.

    When did speak about this? Wasn’t it only AFTER or when the act had already been done? Think of it again.

    2. You said, “B1a: I dont think so! Reasoning dictates that there must be somebody who Knows everything, whoever he is, He is the Supreme ONE! B1 conclusion: If your God knows not everything then your God is only subordinate to B1a”

    You know, that is just your REASONING/CONCLUSION. But I am sorry to say, IT’S NOT BIBLICAL. Let me quote what Bro. Eli said in:

    http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/28/god-is-not-everywhere/

    “We are not allowed by any authority in the Bible to ascribe anything to God, whether it seems like adding honor and glory to Him! Why? God does not change. He is infinitely the same from everlasting to everlasting.

    (James 1:17) “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.”

    We can not add to His glory by our belief; nor diminish it by our unbelief.

    (Romans 3:3-4) “For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.””

    3. You asked, “B2: If God is not present everywhere then who is present? None? ”

    I say again, surely, not me! Are you? It is nowhere to be found in the bible that God is everywhere. Instead, in the bible, there are places where He is not there. So how can be OMNIPRESENT – present in any place AT ONCE? This is just an invention of your pastors. It is not biblical.

    4. You said, “B2a: I dont think so! Reasoning dictates that there must be somebody who is present everywhere, whoever he is, He is the Supreme ONE! B2 conclusion: IF your God is not present everywhere then your God is only subordinate to B2a”

    Again, read #2.

    5. You said, “The statement: “Neither came into my mind” is figurative, Its implication is directed to whom it may concern and not to God- Himself. It focuses on the unimaginable & unexpected things that they did despite God’s commandment on them. ”

    This is again just your CONCLUSION. And it is not biblical. Examine the phrase again. Do you know what a pronoun is? Do you know that ‘my’ is a pronoun? Do you who ‘my’ is refering to? Let us read from verse 3 of the same chapter.

    Jeremiah 19:3  And say, Hear ye the word of the LORD, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle.

    …THE LORD OF HOSTS.

    But you said, “is figurative, Its implication is directed to whom it may concern and not to God- Himself”.

    Are you really out of your mind? This I am really sad to say. But do you happen to know who the Lord of Hosts is?

    2 Samuel 7:26  And let thy name be magnified for ever, saying, The LORD of hosts is the God over Israel: and let the house of thy servant David be established before thee.
    2 Samuel 7:27  For thou, O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, hast revealed to thy servant, saying, I will build thee an house: therefore hath thy servant found in his heart to pray this prayer unto thee.

    …THE GOD OF ISRAEL.

    The God of Israel said in Jeremiah 19:5 about something that NEITHER IT CAME INTO HIS MIND. Now, does He know everything?

    Think again!

    6. You said, “Please, do not redirect our discussion to something that is not part of the issue, Why are you talking ill of my congregation? I am not speaking ill of your sect despite the fact that I know… your way is not the right way!”

    Why not? Are you hurt? Well, the truth really hurts sometimes. Say whatever you wanna say. Just prove it biblically.

    Our way is not the right way? Then what is the right way? Giving tithes to your pastors when he teaches you that no works is needed to be saved? Is giving tithes a good work then?

    It is nowhere in the bible that christians were told to give tithes. What you use as basis is this very popular verse among hungry BORN-AGAIN dogs:

    Malachi 3:10  Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

    But, to whom was this commanded? The giving of tithes was commanded for ALL ISRAEL.

    Malachi 4:4  ¶Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.

    Who exactly among Israel had a commandment to take tithes?

    Hebrews 7:5  And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

    …THE SONS OF LEVI. NOT YOUR GREEDY BORN-AGAIN KUNO PASTORS!

    The priesthood had already been changed, so is the law.

    Hebrews 7:12  For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

    For christians, the law is this:

    2 Corinthians 9:7  Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

    …ACCORDING AS ONE PURPOSETH IN HIS HEART – NOT TEN PERCENT!

    7. You again cited verses:

    Read again point #3 of my post #47.

    I just want to highlight that the version you used for Ecl 6:10 has the word, FOREKNOWN in it. But when I looked up other translations, it is nowhere to be found. I just wonder where you got that.

  57. master MOON RAVEN says:

    JET,

    Don’t be literal using Church of God name as a basis of a “true church”, it just only a conjunction and description.

    The “real church” has a spiritual “BLANKS” in the fulfillment of the truth.

    and the “BLANKS” are:

    > a sharing of common interests, goals, experiences, or views

    > companionship or friendly association

    > membership in a group, or the sharing of characteristics with others

    > a group of people who share common interests, goals, experiences, or views

    by: master MOON

  58. WOLVERINE! says:

    TO SWEET ELLA,

    U SAID: I am not speaking ill your sect despite the FACT that i know……..your way is not the right way!

    MY ANSWER: Well, i must say you reallly are DUMB AND BLIND to consider something a “FACT” and yet not proven.

    Our way as not the right way u say? U consider this a FACT already Ms. Ella? WOW! a fact without a concrete proof, as if your so called reverend pastors and my pastor have clashed in a debate and defeated my pastor.
    WELL, I MUST SAY THIS U REALLY ARE VERY CONSISTENT FOR BEING ILOGICAL MY DEAR ELLA.IMAGINE A FACT WITHOUT PROOF,heheheh….

    You know what is the FACT?

    Our pastor has challenged all the pastors in the world to come out and defend their belief in a DEBATE and that includes you pastors my dear but nobody from your camp went out to defend your belief including Quiboloy.NOW THATS A FACT!!!NOW THAT REALLY A FACT!!!can you prove this wrong miss ella, did some one from your camp dared to face BRO. ELI?

    NOW STOP DREAMING AND FACE THIS FACT! you bunch of CHICKENS! qwak, qwak, qwak,qwak…….

  59. WOLVERINE! says:

    TO SWEET ELLLA,

    U SAID: neither came into my mind is figurative, its implication is directed to whom it may concern and not to GOD-HIMSELF..

    MY ANSWER: well, u just burried yourself deeper in the mud my dear. the implication of “neither came into my mind” was
    not to GOD but to someone? Are you really that desperate to direct that statement to someone and not to GOD?hehehehh….no where in the verse, no matter how u squeeze it, there’s just no one else aside from GOD the statement was directed to.PLLSSSS…. STOP TWISTING THE VERSE DEAR, I AM NOT THAT IGNORANT TO BELIEVE YOUR CHEAP OUT OF THE VERSE INTERPRETATION.Figurative or not the statement was directed to GOD and not to someone else!if its someone else then tell me to whom it was directed?

    Tell me, what is the non-literal meaning of the statement” NEITHER IT CAME INTO MY MIND”? and because u said that it was not directed to GOD ,then tell me to whom it was directed in a figurative form? pls answer me in a detailed form, pls dnt use “to whom it may concern” statemnts, ok? though i can foresee the funny twisting of the verse, i’ll stil give you the floor to expound more for i find it ammusing toturing your errounous belief.

    AND SINCE WE ARE ALREADY IN A COMBATIVE MODE OF CONVERSATION, I STRONGLY INVITE YOU TO EDEBATE FORUM, THE TOPIC IS “IS EVRYTHING POSSIBLE TO GOD” maybe you could bring your cohorts along with you to reason with us.

  60. Sweet_ella17 says:

    Kuya Jet and Kuya wolverine,

    Yes, I am still young but I am not dumb, I KNOW HOW TO THINK AND ANALYZE , my logic tells me that God’s knowledge is infinite, He is the FATHER of KNOWLEDGE and WISDOM then how come He lacked KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM by not knowing something.

    And by the way it is also biblical that His knowledge is infinite and to educate you a a little read the ff:

    let us once again post the verse in trial

    “they have also built the high places of baal to burn their sons with fire for burnt offering onto baal, “which I commanded NOT, nor spake it, “NEITHER CAME INTO MY MIND” (Jer. 19:5)

    Taking the narration above as it is or simply in literal sense will put us in a situation that is not acceptable to our very own logic and reasoning. And put God in a situation that is not ACCEPTABLE to HIM.

    Again, How can this God who is the Supreme One, who is the fountain of Knowledge and Wisdom know not everything?

    It is clearly written and both our mind can agree that “Great is our Lord , and of great power, His understanding is INFINITE (Psalm 147:5)

    If God did not know everything, He is indeed mutable in HIS knowledge. He could be termed as a changeable God graduating from relative ignorance to relative intelligibility. So by being mutable HE IS NOT INFINITE and therefore He is NOT to be considered as SUPREME POWERFUL GOD WHO IS ABOVE ALL.

  61. marvy says:

    hay naku naman mulat nga mga eyes at isip nyo,n khit ano p ang sbhin nyo eh talagang wala kayo ng mga kaalaman n ipinagkaloob sa mangagaral n c bro.Eli…..GISING KAYO!!! bago pa mahuli ang lahat at d n kayo mailigtas pa ng mga maling paniniwala ninyo sa kumukulong APOOOY! SA IMPIERNO!!!!! hanggang ngayon eh nag bubulagbulagan p rin kayo kelan kayo maniniwala…..kapag napapaso n kayo sa impierno..wag nawang mangyari un.

  62. jet says:

    57 SUNTOK SA BUWAN,

    You seem to be no different from ADVENTIST777, WILLIAM, GWEN, and your other COHORTS.

    And again, that is just another baseless invention that you are saying – story telling.

    1. You said, “Don’t be literal using Church of God name as a basis of a “true church”, it just only a conjunction and description.”

    Ha? The bible says it so. Are you against it?

    a. God’s people are called by His name.

    Daniel 9:19  O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.

    b. When Jesus said in:

    Matthew 16:18  And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

    …which church is this? Let’s ask the Lord Jesus Christ.

    John 12:49  For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

    According to Him, He has not spoken of Himself but the Father. So is it wrong to use the CHURCH of GOD name as a basis of a ‘true church?

    c. I am not going to use the writings of the apostle Paul because I know you do not believe in him.

    Again, the fact that you do not understand what the Lord Jesus Christ said (whom you say you believe – though I doubt it), makes no wonder why you do not understand what the apostle Paul wrote (whom you do not believe).

    d. Instead, I suggest that you answer my questions in post #127 in this page:

    http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/05/the-faulty-covenant-of-the-seventh-day-adventist-church/

    …especially point #4.

  63. jet says:

    60 ATE SWEATY,

    Unfortunately, you still haven’t answered my question about which translation you got Ecl 6:10 from, which has the word FOREKNOWN in it, because I have looked at other versions, and I can’t find any with that.

    Anyways,

    1. You said, “Taking the narration above as it is or simply in literal sense will put us in a situation that is not acceptable to our very own logic and reasoning. And put God in a situation that is not ACCEPTABLE to HIM.”

    a. When these things NEITHER CAME (PAST TENSE) INTO HIS MIND, did (PAST TENSE) God know it BEFOREHAND?

    My take on this narration is that there were things that God did not know. He does not know everything.

    How about you then? What is your take on this narration? That when this thing NEITHER CAME TO HIS MIND, He knew it beforehand? When He did not command nor spake it?

    b. We are not the ones putting God in a situation not acceptable to Him, but those who say that their god is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, etc…

    It is the Lord of Hosts, the God of Israel Himself, who said of these things that NEITHER CAME INTO HIS MIND? And now you people are saying that your god knows EVERYTHING. These are all inventions and are just OUTBURSTS OF IGNORANCE.

    I am sorry to say that your god is not the God in the bible.

    2. You asked, “Again, How can this God who is the Supreme One, who is the fountain of Knowledge and Wisdom know not everything? ”

    …fountain of which knowledge? which wisdom? All?

    Including that of men’s doctrines?

    Ecclesiastes 7:29  Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

    Matthew 15:9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    No!

    In fact, God will destroy it and bring to nothing.

    1 Corinthians 1:19  For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

    How about that of the devils’ doctrines?

    1 Timothy 4:1  ¶Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

    Certainly, Not!

    Let me ask you, did God know that satan would rebel against Him?

    If yes is your answer, then truly I can say that your god is not that which is in the bible.

    Because, why would God who is the Supreme One, as you said, create something (like satan – if God knows) who will turn against Him, and lead/snares man whom He created with His own image and love to wickedness?

    3. You said, “If God did not know everything, He is indeed mutable in HIS knowledge. He could be termed as a changeable God graduating from relative ignorance to relative intelligibility. So by being mutable HE IS NOT INFINITE and therefore He is NOT to be considered as SUPREME POWERFUL GOD WHO IS ABOVE ALL.”

    Again, this is just your conclusion, and this is not biblical. This is wrong according to the bible.

    James 1:17  Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

    …with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

  64. master MOON RAVEN says:

    JET “the fighter plane”,

    YOUR BEING A LITERALISM WILL PUT YOU IN A CRASH.

    you have a computer then try to search in the web CHURCH OF GOD and you will find the truth that there are so many people in the world like you whose being a literal including the INC.

    it is written:

    “It is the ESSENCE that quickeneth; the LETTER profiteth nothing:”

    Do you understand? or else anti-aircraft is ready!

    by: master MOON

  65. Sweet_ella17 says:

    Kuya jet suggested:
    d. Instead, I suggest that you answer my questions in post #127 in this page:

    http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/05/the-faulty-covenant-of-the-seventh-day-adventist-church/

    …especially point #4.

    my response:

    Hey, kuya jet it’s already answered long time ago, Look # 22 @ http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/paul-labored-more-abundantly-than-the-other-apostles/

  66. Merkava says:

    #57
    Don’t be literal using Church of God name as a basis of a “true church”, it just only a conjunction and description.

    …………..

    Exactly! it is truly just a conjunction and description! Yeah they are too literal most of the time!

    I am following their thread between Mr. Jet and cohorts-the legions of corrupted light versus William and his legions of light like adventist777 and Open-minded etc.

  67. rowena says:

    To Mr. OLD_PATH for your post # 32

    Prophet Jeremiah said:

    “Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said,
    We will not walk therein. (Jer. 6:16)”

    What is that old path? Is it the path of Moses- the 10 commandments? or it pertains to the new path of faith in the new testament?

  68. Sweet_ella17 says:

    Kuya jet: Jeremiah 19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:

    Notice the verb used: BUILT. This is in past tense, right? Notice also the other verb used: CAME. This is also past tense, right? Well, my teacher back in primary taught me so.

    Now, are you telling me that BEFORE these people committed the act that they did, God knew it already? You should consider that this thing NEITHER CAME IT INTO HIS MIND.

    When did speak about this? Wasn’t it only AFTER or when the act had already been done? Think of it again.

    reply: Kuya jet, the entire narration should be interpreted figuratively, not literally dissected. The thought of the narration signify that those things that they did is UNIMAGINABLE and UNACCEPTABLE, the writers ascribed “NEITHER CAME IT INTO MY MIND” as spoken by God to expose their UNIMAGINABLE wrongdoings in the HIGHEST Possible way of CONDEMNATION. In our understanding it is simply to portray them as a TRAITOR, or a backfighter who unexpectedly commited something that should not be done in that circumstances wherein they were commanded not to do so.

    Hope na gets mo na po kuya para di ko na e-explain uli! Hirap mo turuan heheheehehe!

  69. master MOON RAVEN says:

    WOLVERINE,

    Our pastor has challenged all the pastors in the world to come out and defend their belief in a DEBATE.

    ————————-

    what’s your group (X-MEN) belief guys?

    did you approach already to master MOON RAVEN?

  70. WOLVERINE! says:

    TO SWEET ELLA,

    am kinda waiting what’s for your answer to my question dear, my question was, if that statement” neither came into my mind” did not refer to GOD then to WHO?

    it seems your disregarding my valid question dear and now here you are again with another reckless interpretation of PSALMS 147:5. i can see that you are really fond of evading the issues being raised my dear.

    u said:”HIS knowledge is infinite” and u used psalms 147:5″ HIS understanding is infinte”

    my answer: i kinda observed that your are nnot a careful reader of the scriptures my dear, i think there’s so much for you learn about the word “DISCIPLINE”, reckless ka masyado when it comes to using the verses.Psalms 147:5 says GOD’S UNDERSTSANDING IS INFINITE. For your information, KNOWLEDEGE IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM UNDERSTANDING, these two are not synonymous, okey?
    KNOWLEDGE is to aquire something by knowing while UNDERSTANDING requires wisdom to comprehend something.

    U see dear, i know how you feel of having the thought that its kinda degrading that GOD doesnt know something bec HE’S to you HE has to know absolutely evrything bec GOD is all powerful and yet there are still things HE doesnt know. But to me i nver considred GOD as incomplete or lacking when HE doenst know something or GOD can’t do something because HE is GOD that has discpline and logic, not that HE is bound by logic or anything, but for me, its HIS NATURE to limit HIMSELF bec. imagine how disorgnize would it be or how chaotic would if GOD would allow no limitation to himself.why?

    =imagine, if GOD knew people from the beginning like judas who’ll be destined in hell. Do you think that will JUSTICE if GOD will just make people exist just to be damned in hell.IF GOD forsees in the end that you will just go in hell then why will GOD bother to make u exist?did GOD really just made ssome people jsut see them burn in hell? GOD FORBID! if GOD really just made you to exist just to be burned in hell, THEN WHATS THE REASOND FOR GIVING THE FREEWILL TO CHOOSE BETWEEN HEAVEN AND HELL if no matter how hard you try to choose HEAVEN you still end up going to hell bec. its what GOD sees in you from the beginging.

    IN SUMMATION, there will NO JUSTICE if GOD will FOREKNOW what will be the end of your journey, if you are bound to hell or heaven.

  71. Sweet_ella17 says:

    To kuya wolverine

    am kinda waiting what’s for your answer to my question dear, my question was, if that statement” neither came into my mind” did not refer to GOD then to WHO?

    >>> kuya read # 68 po thanks!

    For your information, KNOWLEDEGE IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM UNDERSTANDING, these two are not synonymous, okey?
    KNOWLEDGE is to aquire something by knowing while UNDERSTANDING requires wisdom to comprehend something.

    >>> yes, from our viewpoint it is completely different but not in God’s viewpoint God’s “Knowledge” & God’s “Understanding” is quite the same? Why? God is ONE in EVERYTHINg, before creation there is no duality ….even duality of definition, To tell you honestly God’s “KnowleDge or “Understanding” is conceivable by our mind! Do you agree? If not then ponder on this thought: HOW CAN A CREATED MIND UNDERSTAND THE UNCREATED?

    KUYA WOLVERINE, i AM NOT UP TO Heaven and Hell, those rewards and punishment is only suited for the spiritually immature individual. I LOVE GOD FOR THE SAKE OF LOVE ALONE I SERVE HIM BECAUSE I SERVE HIM, not because of the reward of heaven nor the fear of hell.

    The problem with you kuya & kuya jet is you are both spiritually immature.

    By the way KUya wolverine, Have you asked yourself this question: how can this absolute evil existed in the domain of God who is ABSOLUTE LOVE and GOODNESS? I think it is your ignorance of the significance of that thing we call Evil that made you confused and concluded there is really an ABSOLUTE EVIL in God’s Domain.

    IF God is the FATHER , the source of AGAPE LOVE, then how come you indeed believe in a theological nightmare like ETERNAL HELL? It is not possible to have an agape love MERCIFUL VERY COMPASSIONATE kind of FATHER God and the existence of ETERNAL DAMNATION……….I think it is safe to assert in REFORMATORY PUNISHMENT FOR THE BENeFIT OF THE SOUL rather than believing in the ETERNAL HELL………RIGHT?

    hehehehe very immature k pa po!

  72. WOLVERINE! says:

    to MASTER MOON,

    my grp is THE X-MEN. and u must be the hard headed Juggernaut.Well, your jsut a nobody whos just trying bug me, so shew away!YOU WANNA FACE BRO.ELI IN A DEBATE? is that a suicide?,hehheheh…..you wish! for all we know your just an airhead whos just trying to make a scene.

  73. errol says:

    dear marcus,

    Brother Eli and the Bible are correct, “at this perilous times, evil is everywhere… and the whole world lies in wickedness”…so let’s wait for God’s justice to come for those wicked people who don’t want to repent.

    as for the those innocent victims …. let us allow God’s mercy and justice work upon them…

    but as for you…continue searching for the truth and I believe you are just a step away closer to it….continue listening/reading bother Eli’s article and you will find answers to every questions in your mind

    hope that you are enlightened by his detailed response.

  74. jet says:

    65 ATE SWEATY,

    1. You said, “Hey, kuya jet it’s already answered long time ago, Look # 22 @ http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/paul-labored-more-abundantly-than-the-other-apostles/

    I am very sad to say that ALL my questions were not answered in that post. And amazingly, that post is no different from the DECEIVER here.

    Everyone, look at post # 129 of http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/05/the-faulty-covenant-of-the-seventh-day-adventist-church/#comment-6067.

    Look how similar it is to post#22 of http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/31/paul-labored-more-abundantly-than-the-other-apostles/.

    And look who is deceiving many now? Those who accuse of Paul as a deceiver are the ones deceiving now.

    Look:

    At the start he said:

    on 07 Aug 2007 at 10:47 am129 MCGI member Locale of UK
    Bro. Eli,

    Thank you for unselfishly sharing your knowledge in the Bible. Please continue to write so that we may learn more about God and find our way to eternal life!

    More Power and God Bless…

    May God continuously bless bro. eli for his work in the name of Jesus Christ!

    To God be the Glory!

    In the end he said:

    by: ADVENTIST777 using an ID of an ADD from UK (hirap eh di maka lusot masyadong unfair ang moderator ng forum na ito, di na ako maka pag post sympre pra lumabas na di ako makasagot pero alam ng Dios lahat yan at bahala na ang dios kay EFS)

    See? If you really believe you are saying the truth, you wouldn’t have done this. This is actually disgusting.

  75. jet says:

    65 SWEATY,

    Also look at how someone nicknamed, GWEN, in post #55 of:

    http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/03/the-rationale-why-god-created-woman/

    …accused me of not posting his articles.

    Is this how SDAC members act? Falsely accusing people of something that they have not done?

    No wonder he has done it to me. I am no more than the apostle Paul, whom they have accused falsely also.

    How can I not post his articles, when I do not even know how to make my own BLOG?

    Impertinent!

  76. jet says:

    64 SUNTOK SA BUWAN,

    1. You said, “YOUR BEING A LITERALISM WILL PUT YOU IN A CRASH.”

    Is this the reason why your cohort WILLIAM concluded that Jesus’ flesh profits nothing because Jesus said:

    John 6:63  It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

    ? Is that why you are telling me that now? Ha?!

    Your cohort WILLIAM even asked due to his ignorance, how come Paul said to the brethrens that they are crucified together with Jesus when there were only TWO beside Him when He was crucified. HAHAHA! How funny! :)

    Since you do not believe in apostle Paul, let me quote the same from the apsotle Peter:

    1 Peter 2:24  Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

    See?

  77. jet says:

    66 MERKAVA,

    You said, “Exactly! it is truly just a conjunction and description! Yeah they are too literal most of the time! I am following their thread between Mr. Jet and cohorts-the legions of corrupted light versus William and his legions of light like adventist777 and Open-minded etc.”

    I suggest that you read my post #62.

    Anyways, thanks for following the threads. I hope you are not ADVENTIST777 who uses other names deceiving peopel with his posts.

    Anyways, about your legion being that of light:

    2 Corinthians 11:14  And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

    HEHEH! What light are you saying? HEHEH!

    2 Corinthians 4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

    Is this the light that you are saying? KAYO NALANG JN!

  78. jet says:

    68 SWEATY,

    Ate, Unfortunately, you still have not answered my questions. Let me post them again for you:

    Notice the verb used: BUILT. This is in past tense, right? Notice also the other verb used: CAME. This is also past tense, right? Well, my teacher back in primary taught me so.

    Now, are you telling me that BEFORE these people committed the act that they did, God knew it already? You should consider that this thing NEITHER CAME IT INTO HIS MIND.

    When did speak about this? Wasn’t it only AFTER or when the act had already been done? Think of it again.

    Can you answer them one by one? If not, then I will rest my case. :)

    These words came for you, yourself:

    “The thought of the narration signify that those things that they did is UNIMAGINABLE and UNACCEPTABLE, the writers ascribed “NEITHER CAME IT INTO MY MIND” as spoken by God to expose their UNIMAGINABLE wrongdoings in the HIGHEST Possible way of CONDEMNATION. ”

    …UNIMAGINABLE!!! Do you know what that word means? For something to be UNIMAGINABLE, was it known beforehand? :)

    ANSWER, SWEATY!!!

  79. master MOON RAVEN says:

    JET “the fighter” plane

    how come Paul said to the brethrens that they are crucified together with Jesus when there were only TWO beside Him when He was crucified. HAHAHA! How funny!

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    because it is written:

    “Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.”

    >master MOON RAVEN<

  80. Sweet_ella17 says:

    To kuya jet ( na hard-headed)

    Notice the verb used: BUILT. This is in past tense, right? Notice also the other verb used: CAME. This is also past tense, right? Well, my teacher back in primary taught me so.

    Now, are you telling me that BEFORE these people committed the act that they did, God knew it already? You should consider that this thing NEITHER CAME IT INTO HIS MIND.

    When did speak about this? Wasn’t it only AFTER or when the act had already been done? Think of it again.

    …UNIMAGINABLE!!! Do you know what that word means? For something to be UNIMAGINABLE, was it known beforehand?

    ANSWER, SWEATY!!!

    ——————————-
    >>>>> Kuya, you are becoming too literal again, for the 3rd or 4th time i said: “Neither Came it into MY MIND” is figuratively done, it is figuratively spoken for us to understand that what they did is UNIMAGINABLE and UNACCEPTABLE, or in tagalog, DI KAISIP-ISIP (or maisip-isip) or DI katatanggap-tanggap na gagawin nila yon kseh di naman yon ang tinuro. And pls. DO NOT CUT ONE BY ONE the narraton because it is figuratively spoken.

    IN defense of Mr. ADVENTIST777, Can you blame him, If He is doing something like a “WHITE DECEPTION” (white lies) in order to convey the truth of his assertion!, Be considerate his 3 last messages for you in response to your queries were never posted. HE is keep on posting trying everything to no avail for your own sake in order for you to be awaken.

    In my opinon if there is somebody to be blamed it is the moderator of this blog. Can you still see any post by Mr. William, Adventist777 nor of Mr. OPen-minded or of Mr. OLD_ PATH? Why? they are already being watched, if the moderator noticed that their counter-arguments are too strong for them, or simply IPIT na IPIT ang mga defender ng ADD, they automatically put them in the trash can. Is it fair?

    So it’s up to the reader to decide who’s disgusting!

  81. jet says:

    80 SWEATY (NA MAASIM),

    1. You said, “…what they did is UNIMAGINABLE and UNACCEPTABLE, or in tagalog, DI KAISIP-ISIP (or maisip-isip) or DI katatanggap-tanggap na gagawin nila yon kseh di naman yon ang tinuro. ”

    If this is DI KAISIP-ISIP, did (past tense) God know it beforehand? HEHEH! :) SAGOT! Your sweat has long smelled foul.

    2. You said, “In my opinon if there is somebody to be blamed it is the moderator of this blog. Can you still see any post by Mr. William, Adventist777 nor of Mr. OPen-minded or of Mr. OLD_ PATH? Why?”

    Maybe, because, these nicknames belong to one person only. HEHEH!:)

    BUT, is this the way SDAC members really act? – blaming somebody for something they have not done? No wonder why you accused Paul of the same thing. :)

    You must be one with INC, the JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC.

    Acts 25:7  And when he was come, the Jews which came down from Jerusalem stood round about, and laid many and grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove.

    Remember who wrote the book of Acts? – LUKE! Don’t you believe in him also? HEHEHE! Kayo ang magising!

    3. You said, “they are already being watched, if the moderator noticed that their counter-arguments are too strong for them, or simply IPIT na IPIT ang mga defender ng ADD, they automatically put them in the trash can. Is it fair? ”

    If this is true, then your counter-arguments must be TOO WEAK for us, that is why your comment is being posted, right? Do you agree?! HEHEHEH! :) BALINTO NA TALAGA ang katuwiran este kabaluktutan ng mga SDAC members. :)

    If you agree, that will just prove how WEAK your counter-arguments are. :) ISIP-ISIPIN mo logic mo IHA!

  82. jet says:

    79 SUNTOK SA BUWAN,

    Your post was:

    how come Paul said to the brethrens that they are crucified together with Jesus when there were only TWO beside Him when He was crucified. HAHAHA! How funny!

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    because it is written:

    “Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.”

    ————————————————————————

    Do not cut my statement. Are you one with JEWS PHILIPPINES, INC. in cutting our tapes?

    What I wrote was:

    Your cohort WILLIAM even asked due to his ignorance, how come Paul said to the brethrens that they are crucified together with Jesus when there were only TWO beside Him
    when He was crucified. HAHAHA! How funny! :)

    My point is, when Paul said that, your cohort, WILLIAM, questioned him. Then I showed you Peter wrote about it. My question is, is he or are you now AGAINST Peter also when he said the same?

    1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

    See?

  83. WOLVERINE! says:

    TO SWEEET ELLA,

    u said in post# 52 : “neither came into my mind” is figurative, ITS IMPLICATION IS DIRECTED TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN AND NOT TO GOD HIMSELF.

    u said in post #68: the writers ascribed “neither came into my mind” AS SPOKEN BY GOD.

    my asnwer: my question was, TO WHOM ” NEITHER CAME INTO MY MIND” WAS DIRECTED? OR WHOSE THE SPEAKER OF THE STATEMENT” NEITHER CAME INTO MY MIND”

    YOU ARE NOT STILL ANSWERING MY QUESTION!!!!YOUR STILL NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTION!!!!!!!!

    you answered: “AS SPoken by God”, does this anwer the question to whom it is DIRECTED????

    “AS SPOKEN BY GOD ” also means “ITS NOT DIRECTED TO GODHIMSELF”, these two are means the same!!!PLS DEAR DNT BE TOO HARD ON YOURSELF, U MIGHT LOOSE UR SANITY by playing dumb!

    AGAIN!, since you said that satement was not directed to GOD implying that it was not really HIS words but it was rather to be put “AS SPOKEN BY GOD”.Therefore, it must be someone else who had spoken this statement bec. u asserted that it was directed to whom it may concern.

    =Now tell me, WHO SPOKE THE STATEMENT “NEITHER CAME INTO MY MIND”?????

    plsss.. NO DUMB TRICKS AGAIN, OKEY? AND ANSWER ME IN A DIRECT MANNER. And pls stop throwing arguments under the shadow of your FIGURATIVE STUPIDITY my dear, as i have observed, the FIGURATIVE INTERPRETTION of yours was just supported by your own lame out of the bible theory.IF its really figurative then tell me what verse so we could disect it thoroughly and pls no theory this time around.

  84. WOLVERINE! says:

    TO ELLA,

    heres another thing that you have to prove biblicaly, WHERE’S THE VERSE SUPPORTING YOUR CLAIM THAT KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING ARE SYNONYMOUS TO GOD.AS I HAVE SAID NO UNSUPPORTED THEORY THIS TIME,OKEY?

    AGAIN, WHERE’ THE VERSE THAT PROVES KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING ARE THE SAME IN EVRYWAY?

    iif cant answer my questions in a correct manner then i guess i have to call this GAME OVER FOR YOU SSWEETY!

  85. Sweet_ella17 says:

    to kuya jet,

    If this is true, then your counter-arguments must be TOO WEAK for us, that is why your comment is being posted, right? Do you agree?! HEHEHEH! BALINTO NA TALAGA ang katuwiran este kabaluktutan ng mga SDAC members.

    reply: I am not an SDAC, but YOU, you are blessed by god of this forum or by EFS kuya jet, you can post whatever you want even if it’s maliciously done. You can misrepresent other people while those people that you misrepresented cannot make their counter-arguments b’coz their lips were sealed. Is it fair?

    Based on my observation Mr. Adventist777 even Mr. Open-minded, William etc. are full of sensible arguments, if their counter-arguments are weak like mine as you said then why are they force to be silent?

    I know beforehand that my last arguments will put me in a unfavorable situation but I NEED TO DO IT to sacrifice my own reputation for a greater cause. I think bro. Eyes can see the necessity of this sacrifice

    To kuya Mr. wolverine,

    I have given you my answers, if still not convincing (because it is weak as you see it) then that’s OK.

    If you think that you are more convincing than me , then so be it!

  86. jet says:

    85 SWEET,

    Ate,

    1. You said, ” I am not an SDAC, but YOU, you are blessed by god of this forum or by EFS kuya jet, you can post whatever you want even if it’s maliciously done. You can misrepresent other people while those people that you misrepresented cannot make their counter-arguments b’coz their lips were sealed. Is it fair?”

    I know you are not an SDAC but a born-again christian (as you said – though it is not biblical.

    Actually for your information, I have other comments, which were not posted in here, too. I think it is you who is maliciously accusing US of that.

    I have never mispresented anyone. It is MR. ADVENTIST777 who misrepresented someone from UK in this page below:

    http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/08/08/the-faulty-covenant-of-the-seventh-day-adventist-church

    For you additional information, I have no control over this forum. I am just merely always trying to contribute to every discussion, which I know something of.

    If you do not think it’s fair, then I suggest therefore that you create your own blog and invite us there, right? That is your right, right? or left? :)

    2. You said, “Based on my observation Mr. Adventist777 even Mr. Open-minded, William etc. are full of sensible arguments, if their counter-arguments are weak like mine as you said then why are they force to be silent? ”

    Yah, sensible arguments from where? From their own, yes! It is you who said that their counter-arguments are strong, that is why their comments were not posted. If this is the basis of your accusations, imagine, yours were posted. Your statement makes your counter-arguments WEAK then.

    That surely is a big blow to you.

    And oh, are they forced to be silent? I could feel their smoking presence around this site. They are just changing names from one to another, deceiving other people, while accusing the apostle Paul of deceipt.

    Are you also one of the SDAC members in being AGAINST PAUL, for you to ally with them?

    Well, I can see that. Because the apostle Paul said:

    Hebrews 7:5  And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

    …Sons of Levi took tithes.

    Hebrews 7:12  For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

    …The law was changed.

    2 Corinthians 9:7  Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

    …Give as one purposeth in his heart.

    BUT YOU born-again christians kuno:

    Malachi 3:10  Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

    …YOUR GREEDY PASTORS TAKE TITHES – even frightening their members that they are robbing their god if they do not give tithes – when at the same time, telling their members that no good work is needed to be saved, but by FAITH ALONE. Where is that in the bible? In fact, what is in the bible is this:

    2 Peter 1:5  ¶And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
    6  And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
    7  And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
    8  For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    ADD! ADD! ADD! Do you know what ADD means? It does not mean subtract, multiply, or divide, nor ANG DATING DAAN at this time. ADD TO YOUR FAITH…! Tapos sasabihin ng mga pastor nyo FAITH ALONE SAVES? Gumising ka na ate! HAPON NA! Bangon na sa pagkalugmok! Do not be ashamed. It is more shameful to believe in something which is not biblical.

    3. You said, “I know beforehand that my last arguments will put me in a unfavorable situation but I NEED TO DO IT to sacrifice my own reputation for a greater cause. I think bro. Eyes can see the necessity of this sacrifice”

    Why sacrifice your reputation for a cause, which is a GREATER WRONG?

    Mark 7:7  Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

  87. Sweet_ella17 says:

    Kuya Jet,

    Even my younger brother understand that every minister, pastors, and priest, are looking for TITHES , one way or another , some of them changed their method as not to be biblically incorrect but the truth is they are up to the TITHES of all their members.

    Without the money, which is the moving factor in every congregation, no denomination including ADD will be standing today.

    do not be hypocrite in saying that ADD is better than the other, that’s is why , we in our congregation have a personal relation with Jesus alone and not to our pastor.

    _______________________________________________

    Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    reply: I remember Mr. Adventist talking about the lawless men, i think Mark 7:7 is for them.

    2 Peter 1:5 ¶And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;
    6 And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;
    7 And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity.
    8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    reply: I remember, Mr. Vladimir_sputnik questioning bro. eli about MUTILATING or CASTRATING , i think those men who accursed others are not following 2 Peter 1:5 because they have no patience. I think there is no love in them.

  88. jet says:

    87 SWEET,

    1. You said, “Even my younger brother understand that every minister, pastors, and priest, are looking for TITHES , one way or another , some of them changed their method as not to be biblically incorrect but the truth is they are up to the TITHES of all their members.”

    a. Surely, NOT PAUL!

    2 Corinthians 12:14  Behold, the third time I am ready to come to you; and I will not be burdensome to you: for I seek not yours, but you: for the children ought not to lay up for the parents, but the parents for the children.

    …he seeked NOT THEIRS, but THEM.

    Instead what Paul wrote was:

    2 Corinthians 9:7  Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

    …as one PURPOSETH IN HIS HEART.

    b. But these BORN-AGAIN PASTORS:

    MALACHI 3:10 all their lives, because:

    Philippians 3:19  Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

    …their god is their BELLY!

    c. The taking of tithes has already been changed.

    Heb 7:5, 12 – Read it again!

    2. You said, “Without the money, which is the moving factor in every congregation, no denomination including ADD will be standing today.”

    FTI, ADD is not a denomination. It is a TV program in UNTV 37. :) Yes collection for the saints was written in the bible:

    1 Corinthians 16:1  ¶Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
    2  Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

    But if we ought to really eb christians, we should follow what is written in the bible for christians – AND THAT IS NOT TITHING!

    GOD LOVETH A CHEERFUL GIVER – NOT A TITHER!

    3. You said, “do not be hypocrite in saying that ADD is better than the other, that’s is why , we in our congregation have a personal relation with Jesus alone and not to our pastor.”

    The witness of God is greater.

    1 John 5:9  If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

    PERSONAL relation to Jesus alone is nowhere written in the bible. That is just another INVENTION by your pastors. You may not be having a personal relation to your pastor, but he is deceiving you by taking your TITHES- when it is not commanded to christians, but unto all Israel (Mal 4:4), specifically, the sons of Levi (Heb 7:5) – and not to your greedy pastors (Isa 56:11).

  89. jet says:

    87 SWEET,

    1. You said, “reply: I remember Mr. Adventist talking about the lawless men, i think Mark 7:7 is for them.”

    LAWLESS? Oh are they? They have a law/commandment – BUT THAT WHICH IS OF MAN.

    Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    NAGPAPANIWALA KA KAY ADVENTIST eh SINUNGALING YAN! BASAHIN MO TALATA – MALIWANAG!

    2. You said, ” I remember, Mr. Vladimir_sputnik questioning bro. eli about MUTILATING or CASTRATING , i think those men who accursed others are not following 2 Peter 1:5 because they have no patience. I think there is no love in them.”

    Ha? Do you the slightest idea about what you are talking about?

    Do you who the apostle Peter was writing this to?

    2 Peter 1:1  ¶Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:

    …TO THEM THAT HAVE OBTAINED LIKE PRECIOUS FAITH.

    Why would he write these things to them? Are they also accursing others? Don’t they have love also?

    KABAHAN KA NAMAN NANG KONTE!

    Your pastors say, “FAITH ALONE SAVES!”. But the apostle Peter wrote: ADD TO YOUR FAITH…! When you say ADD, that that mean ALONE?

    In fact:

    2 Peter 1:8  For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    What if these things be NOT in you, because your pastors say FAITH ALONE, FAITH ALONE? – emphatically – BARREN OR UNFRUITFUL IN THE KNOWLEDGE OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST!

    Never did the Lord Jesus Christ told christians to give tithes. Only your pastors told you. Indeed:

    Mark 7:7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    BANGON NA ATE!

  90. WOLVERINE! says:

    to JET,

    haaayyy… nako pare! matigas talaga ang ulo nang ella nayan,
    after she failed to prove to her assertion that the statement “NEITHER CAME INTO MY MIND” was not directed to GOD HIMSELF but to other person.And when i asked her to whom it was directed since if its not of GOD’S then she was just always going around the bush and failed to substanciate it if to whom was it directed.YOU KNOW WHAT PARE NAGHAHANAP LANG YAN NANG DAMAY.IF I WERE YOU DONT MIND HER TOO MUCH, ANYWAY, NO MATTER HOW YOU TEACH THIS LADY SOME WISDOM SHE JUST CANT APPRECIATE IT.POOR GIRL….

  91. Henrito Jabonillo says:

    Both God and Satan existed, as every action there is a reaction, as North and South, as East and West. Amen!

  92. Rhina says:

    GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST. Peace be with you Bro Eli, all members of the CHURCH OF GOD International, and those into this blog. Marcus is right, human trafficking for sex and forced labor is rampant worldwide, including the Philippines. Many big time illegal recruiters and human traffickers who have connections with some Philippine law enforcers and government officials are ‘untouchables’. Few years ago a selected group of well meaning law enforcers led by a highly decorated former police officer and member of the CHURCH OF GOD International were tasked to combat the rising crimes of human trafficking and illegal recruitment in an attempt by gma to create an image of concern. The group did an excellent job of arresting more or less 400 big time human traffickers, illegal recruiters, and cybersex maintainers in a matter of less than a year, with a meager budget and resources, unsurpassed in the history of Philippine law enforcement. They stepped on the toes of the ‘untouchables’ so they were disbanded, maligned, and were maliciously charged with invented crimes [like what they did to Bro Eli]. Now, illegal recruitment, human trafficking and cyber sex, has all the more became rampant and bolder, victimizing poor and unsuspecting Pilipinos even in the provinces. In the meantime, the traffickers, recruiters and their protectors in the government are raking in millions of money almost everyday. We should not despair however. As Bro Eli said, there is ‘Perfect Justice in GOD’s Perfect time’ . God will not allow evil to prevail for so long, no matter what this blogger ‘old_path’ and cohorts will keep on babbling to sow descension and doubts among the bloggers and brethrens. There is no need for us to go down to their level and debate with them. Lets allow them to glorify in their own thoughts that just because they can write a few good sentences and cite few unsupported claims about Christianity, paganism, etc. they are already wise and acceptabble to us. Let us be reminded of JOB 20:5- THAT THE TRIUMPHING OF THE WICKED IS SHORT…GOD has HIS own, sometimes myterious, ways of despensing justice in HIS own time for these evil human traffickers, drug lords, corrupt government officials, criminals, and fake church leaders who would not stop enriching themselves thru religion, and go on with their hold and influence over society and government. As long as there are people like Bro Eli, Bro Daniel and members of the CHURCH OF GOD International who will not be cowed by the threats, persecutions and dirty tactics of the inc-ni-manalo and the other false churches, GOD’s intention to spread and propagate HIS TRUTH will continue. Thank you Bro Eli, we are praying for you and the brethrens. God bless.

  93. Em says:

    The way I think of it is not, “Why is God letting this evil happen?” but, “Why are we?”

  94. The realist says:

    Wow all of you need help, god is only part of your imagination, and only the weak minded believe in IT. If you want something to happen then do it your self. Em is right

    • Micah Abat says:

      @the realist

      Ooohh, I honestly have no idea how we can just simply use our “imagination” <– don't know where that came from, I mean it's not literal right? Don't atheist like yourself believe on literal things, tangible stuff that can be seen (on 2nd thought, not all that you believe can be seen, remember that homo habi–what's his name, none of you have any proof of him)? So why are you tellin' us that "god is only part of your imagination"? Oh wow…you're contradicting yourself (for an atheist, I'm really not so surprised). Those organisms your people made up were made with the use of imaginations to imagine the present species' common ancestor.

      How can nothing be something? What freakin' triggered that "explosion"? If someone woulda' asked you how did that table get there, I betcha woulda said "cuz someone put it there…duh!…what a stupid question" (btw I learned that analogy from my preachers).

      Just study the anatomy of the human body, how the brain works, the anatomy of the eye itself is already satisfying proof that someone incredibly intelligent created this (satisfying proof for someone with their right mind at least).

      *scoff* and you call yourself a "realist".

      "If you want something to happen then do it"
      -"The realist"

      you know what's funny about that? Once again you contradict atheist self. So w/ the use of that sentence of yours, I'm going to conclude that: for something to happen, someone's got to do it.

      here's one happening that just HAPPENED all by itself, according to your people… the big bang theory.

      So why are you saying that, when your religion's frigging theory says something that contradicts you.

      honestly, if you're so smart and we all "need help" according to you… then with the use of your "evidence" and our evidence, defend yours in front of our leader Bro. Eli Soriano. Ephesians 6:12

  95. vj lentejas, III says:

    leave it all up to God!

  96. greencinnamon says:

    Reblogged this on Greencinnamon’s Blog and commented:
    I love this article!!! :D

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