Perfect Justice in God’s Perfect Time
July 27, 2007 by Bro. Eli
Dear Bro. Eli,
Please help me. I don’t know what to feel anymore. It seems like something is attacking my belief in God.
It all started when I read an article about children and women, lots of them, being sold as prostitutes all over the world. Most of the children don’t even know what sex is yet. These women and children are constantly raped, until they won’t pass as a virgin anymore, according to the article I’ve read. And when the children grow up, they don’t know anything but to sell sex so they have no choice but to do it to survive. The numbers of the victims are plenty, Bro. Eli. They are innocent children but they have been dragged into this kind of business. I believe you’ve also heard of this kind of thing, sex trafficking which is a big business done by many countries, especially in the third world.
Photo from: adsoftheworld.com
My problem is that, I don’t know what to think anymore. Something is lingering in my mind, telling me not to believe in God anymore, although I’m really, really trying hard to disregard this thought inside my mind but whenever I think of what’s happening to these innocent children and poor women, it really makes me sad. Why does God allow this to happen to many innocent Children? It makes me wonder also if God exists (although I really try hard to fight this thought) because of things like this that happen. I’m sorry if it seemed I’m questioning God’s authority, but I don’t really know what to do and think anymore. I’m sorry. I’m so sorry for being so weak at this time but I really need your help in this.
What should I do? Please help me Bro. Eli.
Marcus
Dear Marcus,
Evil is everywhere. The whole world now “lieth in wickedness”.
(1 John 5:9) “And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.”
The root cause of all evil is the rebellious satan, that now deceive the world.
(Revelation 12:7-9) “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
There are religions or faith which does not believe in the existence of the devil. One good example is one of the false Christs prophesied by the Bible in the person of Jose Luis Miranda, which was interviewed by NBC, and said in international television that the devil or satan does not exist.
Some of the teachings of Jose Luis De Jesus Miranda, leader of Growing in Grace
…Sin no longer exist
…There’s no such thing as “the devil”
…Prayer is a waste of time
…All religious leaders are liars
The Bible never speaks of vain things or things unreal.
(James 4:5) “Do ye think that the Scripture saith in vain…”
Every word of God conveys truth and wisdom.
(Psalms 119:160) “Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth forever.”
(Proverbs 8: 
“All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.”
The word of God speaks of the devil and demons. They are realities, although not seen by the human eyes. Their works and devices are manifested among human beings.
(Revelation 16:14) “For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.”
The devil is not only concerned about the leaders of the world, but also to judges, magistrates, and religious leaders. Their victims are the innocent, the ignorant, and the poor.
(Job 9:24) “The earth is given into the hand of the wicked: he covereth the faces of the judges thereof; if not, where, and who is he?”
(2 Corinthians 11:13-15) “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”
Some of their victims are the unsuspecting.
(Romans 16:17-1 “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them that are causing the divisions and occasions of stumbling, contrary to the doctrine which ye learned: and turn away from them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Christ, but their own belly; and by their smooth and fair speech they beguile the hearts of the innocent.”ASV
They even show miracles to deceive people.
(Matthew 24:24) “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.”
These are some of the tangible realities proving the existence of the devil and demons in this world. Anybody who will say that the devil and demons do not exist is showing their utter ignorance of God’s word and realities.
The evil that you are mentioning about children and women being exploited as sex slaves of the opportunistic, abusive, rich, and powerful people in society are works of the devil.
(James 3:15-16) “This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.”
The evil that you see and hear makes you doubt of the existence of God. I am sorry to hear this from you. This is the common thinking of people who spend a little effort — or non at all, in searching for realities in life. They say that if God exist and is real, why does He allow these things to happen? But this thinking is neither logical nor scientific.
Scientifically, chaos is opposed to order. Mutation is opposed to the regular characteristics of a gene or a chromosome. It is an alteration of the normal process.
Do you believe that we have things, traits, and characteristics of every existing thing in this world which we may consider normal? I believe you do. Normally, a parent cares for his or her child. Normally, a hen cares for its chicks. Normally, a dove feed its young. Normal people have in them the feeling of love, care, compassion, and respect for others. This is reality. But there are those who murder and rape their own children. There are those who have no pity towards others. These are things abnormal. All these things are caused by the influence of a reality that exists: the devil.
The existence of the devil proves the existence of God. God hates evil. He does not want evil to happen to anyone; but there is another reality to consider. He has given His creatures the power to choose between good and evil. He made us with the power to decide for ourselves, to choose, to dislike — making us better than a robot. I will — and perhaps you, also — not want to be a robot. The greatest gift of God in our being is the power to decide for ourselves. He wants us to obey Him at will and not by force.
(Isaiah 1:19) “If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land…”
The cause of evil is the improper use of our free will. But we must not doubt God’s justice. Victims of evil will be rewarded justice in God’s perfect time. The question with some of us is we only consider what is ‘now’ and what is ‘seen’. God is eternal; and there is eternity that comes ahead. Surely, every evil act will be punished and every victim will be comforted.
(Isaiah 13:11) “And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.”
He is not slow or slack about His promise, but is long-suffering for He waits for sinners to repent and realize their mistakes; and do not want anybody to perish.
(2 Peter 3:9) “The Lord is not slow about his promise as some count slowness, but is forbearing toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.” RSV
This is being abused by many, but it will satisfy God’s justice for them when they are punished with eternal damnation.
(Ecclesiastes 8:11) “Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.”
(2 Thessalonians 2:11-12) “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
God is a God of perfect justice. Hope in your heart that there is a time — a perfect time for God’s intervention… and it is coming soon!
May God enlighten you.
God Bless you.
EFS
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It is a very enlightening advice, Bro. Eli!
Some people really doubt the existence of God everytime they see cruelties and injustices. This may due to the insufficient knowledge they have about the Words of God.
God knows everything what happening in this world. Indeed, He will certainly execute a perfect justice in a perfect time and when this come, no one could question Him but to say amen.
Come what may, I know a thing which is true..
“Rom 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.” I thank God coz I am now learned about the Words of God through the teachings of Bro. Eli.
Thanks be to GOD.
huhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh (deep sigh) God is the most perfect judge we can ever see! As what the Bible says, God is a God of perfect justice!
“…Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.” Rev 7:12
Marcus,
Please, take heed to Bro. Eli’s advice and start to meditate the Word of God in the Bible from time to time. This makes you understand God’s love for you and relieve you of remorse and blunders in your heart and mind. After all,a victim of satan can be a victor if one really clings to God through the guide of Bro. Eli.
start listening to God’s doctrine and you will realize the existence of GOD.
we should treasure/love our children, they are a gift from above. well said…
The existence of the devil proves the existence of God.
The cause of evil is the improper use of our free will.-brd eli
Amen….!
Amen to that!!!
we are proud to have you bro.Eli
TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!!
(DO NOT JUST BELIEVE BUT consider the following)
1. Sin no longer exist & there’s no such thing as “the devil”.
“BAD AS HE IS, THE DEVIL may be abused, Be falsely charged, and causelessly accused, When men unwilling to be blamed alone shift off those crimes on HIM which are their own” (DEFOE, 1726)
if God is the supreme Lord, it means that He is ultimately responsible for everything for that happens in His creation… If He is within everything and is the primal doer within all things,
then He must also be the creator of satan —- misery, suffering, and all the rest. If He is not then He is not supreme! Because God is sovereignly in control, accident are just incidents in God’s plan. , if “EVIL” IS NOT UNDER GODS CONTROL, THEN WHO IS IN CONTROL?. THE PROBLEM IS
INTELLECTUALLY INTRACTABLE, FOR IF GOD IS THE SUPREME POWER AND CREATOR. HE MUST HAVE CREATED SATAN TOO, OR, TAKING THE SITUATION AS IT IS NOW, IF GOD IS ENTIRELY OPPOSSED TO THE ACTIVITIES OF SATAN, WHY SHOULD HE PERMIT HIS CONTINUED EXISTENCE? Is there an “evil” in the highest perspective (in the absolute truth) or there is none ? Is the perception of that we called “Evil” just a by-product of ignorance due to our limited understanding of that “Absolute Reality” in this relative reality or not?
What is it that we call Evil? Well, what ever it is, it appears quite real to us. The answer is that anything which we do not like is evil to us. This is of course, the narrow and egoistical
viewpoint. And it is just this ego that plays all the mischief in our thinking. But it is the common way of looking at things.
Let me give you an examples:
A little boy is called in from play to have his face washed. He doesnt like the procedure. To him, that is an evil. Its a displeasure, He disobyes his mother and has to be punished.
to him, that is another evil. He sees nothing in it but evil. To him the whole world is a theater of evil simply bcoz it has so many “Dont’s in it.
A man allows his passions to get the upper hand over him, and he commits crime. He has to go to prison. To him that prison is an evil. But socieity does not regard that prison as an evil.
A man gets an appendicitis. He has to go to a hospital and undergo an operation. It may be difficult for him to decide which is the greater evil, the appendicitis or the operation.
To him it is all bad enough. But socieity regards the hospital as a real blessings.
A man who was cruel to his wife and five small children got accidentally killed. To that wife, his death was a terrible blow, for it left here with an intolerable burden on her hands. To
her, his death was an evil, a calamity. But looked at from an impartial, higher viewpoint,his death was probabaly the best thing that could have happened, not only to society but to
the family itself.
YOu see, a thing becomes an evil only from the narrow egoistic viewpoint. To sum up, there is no such thing as evil per se. Evil as a reality is philosophically unthinkable, and there the matter must end so far as metaphysics is concerned. Evil is in the category of negation. It has no actual existence. It is a lesser light. When light is abundant, there is no shadow, and in absolute darkness, there is no shadow. So it is with evil. The assumption that evil is a reality has caused much confusion in philosophy and religion. It is of no use to deny the difficulty, we must assume that if evil exists, God is responsible for it. And such an assumption lands us in a maze of Philosophical difficulties from which there appears to be no escape.
And driven to the wall by this fact, many thinkers have declared that there is no God. How can there be a God in charge of a whole world full of woe and sins? In a universe created by an all-wise God, whose fundamental essences goodness and love, there is no room for such thing as evil. It simply does not exist. But there are many degrees of good, of the light. IN its final aspects, in the highest perspective,there is nothing bad in the world, neither is there sin nor fault in anyone. But in our ignorance,believing the darkness to be something real, we grope about in the shadows. But is is only a negation. The man who never saw light or heard of it would not suspect that he was in darkness. To him that darkness would be normal. So it is with evil. It is only because we know of a greater good that we feel the pain of evil.
Generally speaking, the perception of Evil is just due to our limited understanding of that “Absolute Reality”
2. Prayer is a waste of time.
Why?
Because we do not know how to pray! Our intellect is limited, an individual does not know whether what he is asking for would, in the long run be for his good. We are entangled in bodily and sensual pleasures, our vision does not arise above them. If we were to receive all we ask for we would certainly be involved in more sensual pleasures. Our vision being limited cannot see beyond ourselves and our surroundings.
Prayer of Thanksgiving is acceptable!
“He knoweth what things ye have need of before ye ask HIM”
Therefore Be IT DONE ACCORDING TO THY WILL is the best above all.
3. All religious leaders are liars
“Spirituality unites people, it is the sectarianism of religions that divides them”
“Woe unto you religious leaders, hypocrites! for yes hut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for ye neither go (Meditate)in yourselves neither suffer ye them that are entering in”
“Woe unto you religious leaders, for ye have taken away the key of knowledge Ye entered not in yourselves and them that were entering in ye hindered.”
“Woe unto you religious leaders, for yeare as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them”
“Woe to the religious leaders for they are like dog sleeping in the manger of oxen, for neither does he eat does he let the oxen eat.”
I also felt the same but never did I thought of blaming God for this. It just leaves a question in my mind. but now i know that there is what you call “God’s perfect time”. everything will be understood by then…
To Marcus
I have seen also the 4-hour movie “Human Trafficking” same with what you have read. But the cruelty of the devil is in plenty form and the biggest form is in deceiving billion of people to a false religion…wrong faith to God.
Please continue listening to Bro. Eli and you will undestand God’s justice deeper and you will not be afraid anymore.
Learning the Bible
Jun 17th, 2007 by elmantheman
Fools learned from fools and went everywhere to teach.
Almost all people have been collecting ideas from everywhere: from buddhism to catholicism, and even atheism and incorporate these to be the source of their belief and faith. What is obviously wrong with this is that they would even prefer calling themselves, Christians. They also use each ideas in reference to what they want to prove. Why are there confusions on what to believe in? It is because in one way or another, they formulate an answer from different facts coming from diverse cultures. A pure and undefiled religion becomes the opposite, and adulterated religion.
Let me just inform you that when you want to learn about the Bible, and even God, you need to drop first all the things you learned about it, everything that was taught to you. Forget what everybody said about it.
Now, that is the beginning of wisdom. Before you can build a structure, you need to start from the base or the foundation to make sure that it will stand the test of time. You cannot just build a pyramid using sticks or just plain wood.
Matthew 7:
22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
It is but high time to realize that almost all those who established their own church taught us not having the authority, but as scribes.
They are hypocrites! They have all the money, the bed, the food. Even in the Philippines, bishops here wear a lot of jewelries and have their haciendas. But look at one of the Catholic churches in Quiapo, most of the beggars there are children.
When you learn about God from these priests, no wonder why you will hate God.
Romans 1:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.But let me remind you, when there is a false teaching, there is also a true teaching. Help others find it. Let us not stop those people who cares to find the truth!
Psalms 53:
1The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.”
For sure, they will ask: Who’s going to teach me about the bible? Who shall introduce me to the God of the Bible?
No less than the author of this blog: esoriano.wordpress.com, Bro Eli Soriano. Ask him and the bible shall answer.
I do believe blacks and people of color do try to be more righteous and forgiving than God:
http://www.americanpatriate.com/blacks_more_forgiving_than _god2.html
“Are blacks more righteous than God?” The question is being posed by Jacobi Ali, son of firebrand minister and leader of the New Negro Sun Worship movement Yacub 7 Ali, as he embarks on a national tour to encourage blacks of all faiths to learn his father’s science of projecting ultraviolet light onto the skin whites to inflict them with skin cancers.
“You don’t have to be a sun worshiper to use your the gift your skin color gives you. You can still be a Christian, Muslim or Atheist.
“The sentence and directive handed down from the heavens against white people is clear: they are to be burned with sores and tumors that are to be seen on their cheeks, necks, earlobes and hands,” Ali said. “With the same vanity with which they once spent hours adoring themselves with before their mirrors, they must now look for sores, bumps, rashes and moles.”
Jacobi, the second son of Yacub 7, spoke before an audience of nearly 3,000 at the group’s Atlanta compound.
“Jacobi has been selected by his father to go forth on this tour,” Yacub 7 Ali national spokesman and Prime Minister Lucifer Nigaros said.
“The Sun of God wants white people burned and has blessed black people with the natural ability to burn them. Yet, there are blacks who don’t want to burn them?” Ali asked. “I ask again: are blacks more righteous than the Sun of God?”
to marcus: i’m glad that you have found the right person to ask about your confusions and beliefs.. preferably, there’s no other pastor that can answer like Bro.Eli does for the past years of his ministry. I hope this is not the last for you to search for more wisdom.
“please do help Bro.Eli in this mass propagation. Promote to your friends, relatives, co-worker about this blog site of the Only Sensible preacher in our times. tc. “
Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
God will repay everyone accordingly, whether good or bad. Let us give way for God’s justice and it’s coming very soon.
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Dear Bro. Marcus,
May you find enlightenment in what bro Eli has shared with us.
True, you are not the only one who has this conflict in thier minds about certain doubts about God and His existence.
Even proffessing christians know and feel this, some are just plain hypocrites to admit it. Some, really did succumbed to the fantasies in thier psyche, have adopted demented philosophies that there is no God. They have put to action and reality what the Devil has imputed in their minds.
But unlike you, you acknowledge this quandary and seek advice from the preacher of God on how to overcome this.
That in itself proves to me, though i know you not that you are a God fearing person.
May God forbid that you will be one of them Bro Marcus . . . .
Pls continue your search for His wisdom and truth . . . . . . . .
there is no other preacher like Bro.Eli that could explain the whole truth…to God be the Glory!
ELMANTHEMAN # 12
Almost all people have been collecting ideas from everywhere: from buddhism to catholicism, and even atheism and incorporate these to be the source of their belief and faith. What is obviously wrong with this is that they would even prefer calling themselves, Christians
reply:
Elmantheman, have you been informed that even the word Christian and Christianity were simply borrowed by the later christians from the TEMPLE TERMINOLOGY of the PAGANS? The early church knew this to be a fact, for it is openly admitted by no less an authority than Justine Martyr, one of the foremost Christian writers of the second century. Yes by Justine Martyr himself!
Have you been informed that the term christian and christianity
were already well known to writers like Herodotus and Aeschylus fully 5 centuries before the “christian era”?
So Mr. Elmantheman, in short there is nothing unique in today’s Christianity. There is not a single dogma, ritual nor ceremony in the Christian Church that has not been taken from the so called “Pagan” religions. Therefore so long as pagan schools existed, the Church could not without contradiction represent herself as the sole repository of knowledge. And your Mother church tried to destroy all the evidences by wiping out the pagan schools, the pagan records, even the pagan philosophers themselves.
dear marcus,
i hope you will continue asking bro.Eli…he will surely enlighten you..
Also this is another unsolicited advice…
before you get confused if there is really a GOD…try also to look around you..look at the natural things you are seeing in a day or a night…if you know something about science..then learn from it as well…why does plants needs what we exhale??..and why does we need what plants exhale??..why are our earth is hanging in the air??..why are there so many planets and galaxies in our universe??..
Dont u realize marcus that there is ONE powerful and Almighty being that created all of these??..
marvel marcus..use your eyes and senses..look around you..or just maybe think of your being..do you realize how perfect our human body was created??..
continue searching for the truth marcus…
continue reading articles here…
Dear Marcus:
The real cause of all the evils you see around the world today, including the ones you mentioned, is religion, in particular, the ‘Abrahamic’ religions. These religions, for over two thousand years, have spurned a big lie, for their own selfish need to control others, that there is a personal, all powerful God up there in the sky who controls the affairs of humans and watches every move an individual makes. The worst of the three ‘Abrahamic’ religions, in this regard, is perhaps Christianity. The effect of this lie is that it removed the responsibility for controlling and managing our own human affairs from our hands and placed it in the hands of this God. We are taught to be good people in order to gain the approval of this God and escape His punishment. Further, we are taught that this God will judge every individual after death and mete out the appropriate reward and punishment.
But its all a big lie. It is an old ploy which the priesthood of the religions used for the only purpose of gaining the submissiveness of the people and their total control by claiming the power of intercession through their special relationship with this God. That’s all there is to it.
This false doctrine of ‘a God in total control and management of human affairs’ is in direct contrast with the earlier ’spirituality’ developed in most indigenous societies. The core of this spirituality is that it is for an individual good and interest to be good to others in society. In other words, the responsibility for being good rests with the individual which means that society will demand a price (payback or sacrifice) when a person infringes on the social order. This spirituality places firmly in our hands the responsibility for controlling and managing our own human affairs.
You may want to consider other ways of understanding your relationship with God and free yourself from this big lie which has been etched in our consciousness through years of indoctrination and plain fear mongering. But you must be prepared to do a lot of reading.
Adeniba Adepoyigi
Australia
Is anyone there wants to respond to old_path (post #9) ?
for you LIAR, A CHEATER WHO ADDRESSED THE NAME OLD PATH:
You are a LIAR, A CHEATER
ACTS13:10″and said, O full of all guile and all villany, thou son of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?(ASV)
GAL.1:8″But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.(ASV)
JOHN 7:17 “If any man willeth to do his will, he shall know of the teaching, whether it is of God, or whether I speak from myself.”(ASV)
TO LIAR WHO USED THE NAME OLD_PATH:
YOU CHEATER!!! YOU INTENTIONALLY USED THE NAME OLD_PATH TO CONFUSED THE SOUL OF THE INNOCENT.
BUT YOUR LINE OF REASONING SHOWS THAT YOU ARE NOT OF GOD.
2COR. 2:11″ that no advantage may be gained over us by Satan: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
to LIAR WHO USED THE NAME OLD_PATH:
COME OUT YOUR SHELL!!!
I KNOW THAT YOU ARE A BELIEVER OF “ABSOLUTE REALITY”
“ABSOLUTE LIES”
WOW! i was crying when i’ve read this article.. i do believe in what Bro.Eli said.. its really TRUE as the BIBLE said.. that was on my mind too when i’m in darkness, when i’m not yet receiving the WORD f GOD, i do BELIEVE in GOD but there are some questions in my mind but finally.. i really understand by listening to the WORD of GOD with the help of BRo.Eli.. we really be THANKFUL to GOD..
marcus,
I know there are lots of questions that are still in your mind…. Just keep asking bro.eli, for he is the only preacher at this time who can give the answers that you need to hear. There is God above…. every time you wake up in the morning, you will see and realize that there is one powerful God who gave you that another day and who gave you a new life! Keep asking bro. Eli!!!!
PERFECT!
About post #19.
I do not want to refer you as the Old Path as you are a path that leads to more confusion and deceit - and you know who you are.
Regardless of what you say, you can never change how the Christianity is defined in the Scriptures. A man’s words can change, even his interpretation, but God does not.
Matthew 24:
35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.
Let your pagans define Christianity, and we will define ours based on the bible. Hear from us, and you will never be disappointed as Bro Elis Soriano read to you who we are: as servants of God, and as part of the body of Jesus Christ.
Yeah, there is nothing unique to Christianity right now, that one that even you are trying to adulterate,
except that Christianity that Jesus Christ commands us to be.
We are members of the Church of God and we are fortunate to become one. As Christians,
Gal 3:
13Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.”
14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.
23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.
24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.
25Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law.
Truly:
Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein - Jeremiah 6:16
If you are talking about Catholicism as the mother church, we are totally different from her.
It is unfortunate that you are embracing paganism motivated by the heartache that what is due to your Pagan belief was destroyed by Catholicism.
Indeed, she may have destroyed what you are insinuating about paganism but in a deceitful way, if it’s true. Why? It is because she has obviously incorporated Paganism as part of her teachings. Just observe her rituals during her mass. The idols, the mother and child, etc.
It seems like OPEN-MINDED and OLD_PATH are relatives. They have the same kind of thinking and reasoning. Really great inventors, pretending to know the “PARABLES OF CHRIST”, consequently leading to the creation of their own improvised parables to deceit people. BEWARE OF THEM!!!
OBSERVE THIS GUYS:
THIS IS FROM OPEN-MINDED(daw!!!):
Are you free to choose in the HIGHEST PERSPECTIVE?
Ignorant says: Yes!
Open-minded says: NO!
THIS IS FROM OLD_PATH:
Is there an “evil” in the HIGHEST PERSPECTIVE(in the absolute truth) or there is none ? Is the perception of that we called “Evil” just a by-product of ignorance due to our limited understanding of that “Absolute Reality” in this relative reality or not?
This tricky questions which they say are analysis in the HIGHEST PERSPECTIVE, they will then follow it with their own set of PARABLES to deceit people.
BE WISE GUYS, AND WATCH OUT!!! WE HAVE THE BIBLE, AND THATS OUR BASIS OF THE TRUTH. INGAT PO TAYO!!!
To shouting Antonio:
Is the word OLD PATH a personal property of Church of God International?
The right path is the OLD PATH!
or in tagalog:
“Ang tamang daan ay ang DATING DAAN”
The OLD PATH is the ancient way back to God, or in other words, it is the ancient Path leading back to the Source. Is it not?
The ageless wisdom comes from the OLD PATH. Without the OLD PATH there is no liberation, therefore it is indeed true that the right path is the OLD PATH.
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#29 To Elmantheman
Brother, do not segregate yourselves as completely different from HER, you are probably just a finer form coming from HER, but still within HER “fold”.
In essence you are not part of the OLD PATH, but belong to a new path which is absolutely different from the OLD.
If you are following the new path as you claimed (in Galatian), How can you be part of the OLD PATH?
TO: Old_Path
you wrote: What is it that we call Evil? Well, what ever it is, it appears quite real to us. The answer is that anything which we do not like is evil to us. This is of course, the narrow and egoistical
yuo wrote: YOu see, a thing becomes an evil only from the narrow egoistic viewpoint. To sum up, there is no such thing as evil per se.
you wrote: is there an “evil” in the highest perspective (in the absolute truth) or there is none ? Is the perception of that we called “Evil” just a by-product of ignorance due to our limited understanding of that “Absolute Reality” in this relative reality or not?
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Since you are discussing about the “absolute reality” or
“relativity theory” of an evil then we will discuss first in the old, old, old days of the old days in earth.
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:……………….”
what this image?
ans. The image of righteousness
what is the whole matter of this righteousness?
ans. it’s CONSCIENCE (believe it or not)
why?
let’s hear what the devil say.
I think there is a conflict here?
we know in this theory that the image of GOD in us is our conscience.
conscience - the sense of what is right and wrong that governs somebody’s thoughts and actions, urging him or her to do right rather than wrong.
but the statement of the devil tells that we don’t have conscience in the beginning unless Adam and Eve eat that forbidden fruits.
but is the devil statement is true or liar?
lets investigate:
” But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. ”
That law above signify that GOD is exercising our conscience through his basic law not to eat the forbidden fruits.
Therefore: the devil is liar!
but what happen after the forbidden fruit was eaten by Adam and Eve?
what kind of manipulation?
Adam said:
Therefore the manipulation is:
CONSCI ENCE
CONSCI OUS
believe it or not?
Therefore:
do you believe that the root of the devil in an “absolute reality” is being conscious.
what’s the antidote?
to be continued…………………it is in another topic………..
EYES
TO: Old_Path
you wrote: What is it that we call Evil? Well, what ever it is, it appears quite real to us. The answer is that anything which we do not like is evil to us. This is of course, the narrow and egoistical
yuo wrote: YOu see, a thing becomes an evil only from the narrow egoistic viewpoint. To sum up, there is no such thing as evil per se.
you wrote: is there an “evil” in the highest perspective (in the absolute truth) or there is none ? Is the perception of that we called “Evil” just a by-product of ignorance due to our limited understanding of that “Absolute Reality” in this relative reality or not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Since you are discussing about the “absolute reality” or
“relativity theory” of an evil then we will discuss first in the old, old, old days of the old days in earth.
“And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:……………….”
what this image?
ans. The image of righteousness
what is the whole matter of this righteousness?
ans. it’s CONSCIENCE (believe it or not)
why?
let’s hear what the devil say.
> For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. <
I think there is a conflict here?
we know in this theory that the image of GOD in us is our conscience.
conscience - the sense of what is right and wrong that governs somebody’s thoughts and actions, urging him or her to do right rather than wrong.
but the statement of the devil tells that we don’t have conscience in the beginning unless Adam and Eve eat that forbidden fruits.
but is the devil statement is true or liar?
lets investigate:
” But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. ”
That law above signify that GOD is exercising our conscience through his basic law not to eat the forbidden fruits.
Therefore: the devil is liar!
but what happen after the forbidden fruit was eaten by Adam and Eve?
what kind of manipulation?
Adam said:
Therefore the manipulation is:
CONSCI ENCE
CONSCI OUS
believe it or not?
Therefore:
do you believe that the root of the devil in an “absolute reality” is being conscious.
what’s the antidote?
to be continued…………………it is in another topic………..
EYES
9 OLD_PATH,
A. Sin exists and there such thing as the devil – ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE.
1. Yes, it is true that God created also the angels, including, lucifer, who is satan. In fact:
Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
But never did He intend for any of His creation to rebel against Him. Instead, His will is for them to fear Him and follow His commandments, just like for man, who is a fellowservant of angels.
Revelation 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
Ecclesiastes 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
But, even if satan and his angels rebelled against God, that did not make God lesser than being Almighty. It has no effect.
Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?
2. The thing is, sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily.
Ecclesiastes 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
3. But an everlasting fire has already been prepared for them.
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
4. You know, in the bible, there were many things that happened, which God did not plan, nor even came into His mind. To cite one:
Jeremiah 19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:
So, was God in control of this? If not, who was?
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
4. On the other hand, there are things (which seem to be bad for most people) that He allows/permits to happen for certain reasons. To cite one:
Isaiah 57:1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
5. Think of this for an answer to your question, “IF GOD IS ENTIRELY OPPOSSED TO THE ACTIVITIES OF SATAN, WHY SHOULD HE PERMIT HIS CONTINUED EXISTENCE?”
If you will agree with me, God is just, right? If God would have done that, He would also had done it to man, also, right? But the thing is, God loves man. If God was to discontinue satan’s existence because he did something wrong, God would also had to end Adam and Eve when they committed a mistake, right? But because God loves man, He did not. After all:
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
6. You said, “The answer is that anything which we do not like is evil to us. This is of course, the narrow and egoistical viewpoint.”
But for christians in the bible:
Romans 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
7. As to your examples:
a. Having one’s face washed is not the evil. Disobeying his mother when she intends something good for him is the bad thing.
b. Prison is not the evil. But the crime that he did.
c. In the bible, if you believe in it, there is nothing wrong with that because:
Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.
d. This is a little complicated. But for christians in the bible, they were told to love even their enemy.
8. Before you conclude that there is no such thing as evil or sin, you should have considered that:
1 John 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
BUT IF WE BASE OUR DISCUSSION NOT ON THE BIBLE, I CAN TELL EVERYONE BASELESS STORIES MORE ABSURD THAN YOURS.
B. Prayer is not a waste of time - ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE
1. You said, “Because we do not know how to pray!”
Why? Because you do not base your beliefs in the bible. If you only you have read and followed what God commanded His people in the bible, you would have learned how to pray yourself. Like the christians in the bible who were told how:
a. Philippians 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
b. Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
See? Well, if your are already blinded, you won’t.
2. You said, “Our intellect is limited, an individual does not know whether what he is asking for would, in the long run be for his good.”
I should say instead, that, the fact that our being is limited, should make us all the more to pray to God Who created us. This is the reason why we should ask for guidance from Him in prayer.
3. You said, “Our vision being limited cannot see beyond ourselves and our surroundings.”
Just because of that, praying becomes a waste of time already? A BIG NO! Why? The Lord Jesus Christ told the early christians::
Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone?
10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?
11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
How? BY PRAYER AND SUPPLICATION WITH THANKSGIVING!
Philippians 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
I’M TELLING YOU AGAIN, IF WE BASE OUR DISCUSSION NOT ON THE BIBLE, I CAN TELL EVERYONE BASELESS STORIES MORE ABSURD THAN YOURS.
C. Not All Religious Leaders are Liars – ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE.
If it is true that ALL religious leaders are liars, then your COHORT, LUIS MIRANDA is a LIAR. He really is, because his father, the devil, is a liar like him, and the father of lies.
John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Most of religious leaders maybe liars, but in the bible, the words of God are committed to faithful men who are able to teach others.
2 Timothy 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
You want some?
Colossians 1:7 As ye also learned of Epaphras our dear fellowservant, who is for you a faithful minister of Christ;
Colossians 4:7 All my state shall Tychicus declare unto you, who is a beloved brother, and a faithful minister and fellowservant in the Lord:
Do you think that God would abandon His people among religious leaders nowadays who are mostly LIARS? No! If in the past there were faithful men, the same thing now because God requires that which is past.
Ecclesiastes 3:15 That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
Maybe, you just haven’t found any of them because your father, the devil blinded the likes of LUIS MIRANDA, QUIBOLOY, etc… May you be not one of them for the rest of your life..
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
AND AGAIN, IF WE BASE OUR DISCUSSION NOT ON THE BIBLE, I CAN TELL EVERYONE BASELESS STORIES MORE ABSURD THAN YOURS.
What Bro. Eli said is a perfect mind of GOD, so don’t waste even a single word of it. You will never find anybody else like Him.
Act now, read the bible and listen to Him always.
9 OLD_PATH,
Also, if for you, sin no longer exists, then you are A BIG DECEIVER! Why?
1 John 1:8 ¶If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If you are able to deceive yourself, how can you not deceive others as well? The likes of MIRANDA AND QUIBOLOY does not only deceive their members, but also themselves.
“Truly, a child of the devil”, quiboloy said -TO HIMSELF!
9 OLD_PATH,
Also, if for you, sin no longer exists, then you are A BIG DECEIVER! Why?
1 John 1:8 ¶If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If you are able to deceive yourself, how can you not deceive others as well? The likes of MIRANDA AND QUIBOLOY does not only deceive their members, but also themselves.
“Truly, a child of the devil”, quiboloy said -TO HIMSELF!
Jet: Jeremiah 19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:
So, was God in control of this? If not, who was?
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Of course jet, God is absolutely in control! So taking Jeremiah as it is will really put God in an unfavorable condition. Im sorry to say but your literal interpretation is absolutely wrong Why?
Because we, in “Assembly of God” -a born again christian group were informed that God knows everything and this assertion is supported by biblical facts:
“Whatever cometh into being, the name thereof was given a long time ago, and it is FOREKNOWN what man is, neither can he contend with him that is mightier than he” ( Ecc. 6:10)
“Thou understandest my thought afar off” (Psalms 139:2)
“Doth he not see all my ways, and count all my steps” ( Job 31:4)
“He sees all their going (Job 34:21)
He exactly ponders man’s behaviour (Proverb 5:21).
He even knows and arranges all contingencies to happen (I Kings 22:39)
Therefore, God knows all future things, Yes, all those things to come.
to Old_Path
don’t use the name old_path if you have any respect left for other and for you self. the “ang Dating daan”is very diiferent from the “Ang tamang daan” in ADD bro. Eli speaks only the truth unlike with ATD they just keep on attacking bro.Eli’s personality without proof. Woe on to you for you have to hide in others shadow!!! just like the Manalo clan of church of Manalo 1914.
Sorry to the manangement of this blog if i have mentioned names I just can’t help my self but to answer that guy over there.. again my apologies. Thanks be to God for I’m enlightened!!!
God is a God of justice.
Psalms 7:11 God is a righteous judge, yea, a God that hath indignation every day.
Never doubt His judgments.
God will never delay or postpone His promises.
2Corinthians 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
TO SWEET_ELLA,
Miss, in fairness to jetty he did not take the verse in a literal manner, he was just extracting the substace of the verse just the way it is, no more no less.He was applying the rule of the bible to say it as it is, d mo bah alam yun.
EXCUSE ME, ITS NOT BEING LITERAL BUT ITS WHAT WE CALL DISCIPLINE IN USING THE WORD OF GOD.
frankly speaking, i think your reckless and you hve missed the whole point of the verse iha.
come and analyze with me, jer.19:5″ they have also built the high places of baal to burn their sons with fire for burnt offering onto baal, “which I commanded NOT, nor spake it, “NEITHER CAME INTO MY MIND”
here’s the LOGIC, “ITS VERY STUPID TO BELIEVE THAT GOD KNEW IT AND AT THE SAME TIME IT DIDN’T CAME INTO HIS MIND”
Are you playiing DUMB with us dear?
its like this, if i were to put it in a simple form:
I KNOW YOUR DUMB BUT IT DID NOT CAME INTO MY MIND THAT YOUR DUMB?
is that logic to dear? CAN YOU KNOW SOMETHIN THAT DIDNT CAME INTO YOUR MIND?
CAN GOD KNOW SOMETHIN THAT DIDNT CAME INTO HIS MIND?
what verse?what verse?what verse?
NOW AM I BEING LITERAL TOO? OR DID I TAKE IT LOGICALLY?
that’s the problem with you “BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS” you disregard LOGIC in ur belief. Like the term that you love so mmuch “born again christian”, WHY? IS THERE A CHRISTIAN NOT BORN AGAIN THAT YOU HAVE TO LABEL THE WORD CHRISTIAN “BORN AGAIN”?
its like this in a simplier form:
“COLD ICE CREAM”
Why? is there an ice cream not cold that we have to label the word ice cream “COLD”?
haaay naku, masmabuti panga yung mga literalist eh, atleast what their sayin is in the bible unlike your term “BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN” which not written down in the bible.
Thanks for this website Bro. Eli, many people who had a confusion in their mind about the existence of God had enlightened in many aspects. Just continue encouraging people to read the bible so that many will understand the true teachings & doctrines of our Lord Jesus Christ.
And for you OLD_PATH - jus give ur self a break, kun s tagalog nga e “nakikigulo ka ln” if u know the word “respect” you dont the guts to use the OLD_PATH - just to give confusion w/ many readers of this site.. If may I ask, is that the way ur preacher teaches u? misleading the people in the right doctrines?
And for you OLD_PATH - jus give ur self a break, kun s tagalog nga e “nakikigulo ka ln” if u know the word “respect” you dont have the guts to use the OLD_PATH - just to give confusion w/ many readers of this site.. If may I ask, is that the way ur preacher teaches u? misleading the people in the right doctrines?
41 sweet_ella17,
Thanks for your time. BUT:
1. You said, “Of course jet, God is absolutely in control! So taking Jeremiah as it is will really put God in an unfavorable condition. Im sorry to say but your literal interpretation is absolutely wrong Why? ”
a. If I was absolutely wrong, then what is your take on that verse?
Jeremiah 19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:
When God did not command something? Was He in control?
When He spake it not? Was He in control?
WHEN IT NEITHER CAME INTO HIS MIND? WAS HE STILL IN CONTROL?
b. Do you mean that God still has control over something that He does not will for man to do? Do you, for goodness sake, know who baal is? Are you out of your mind?
Don’t you know when one served baal, he provoked to anger the Lord God of Israel?
1 Kings 22:53 For he served Baal, and worshipped him, and provoked to anger the LORD God of Israel, according to all that his father had done.
Are you blind? What is wrong with your eyes? Is God still in control of this?
c. Those people who served baal, left all the commandments of the Lord their God.
2 Kings 17:16 And they left all the commandments of the LORD their God, and made them molten images, even two calves, and made a grove, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served Baal.
NOW, is God still in absolute control over this? If you say yes, I am also sorry to say then that your god is not the God in the bible.
d. And like I said to someone on this blog before, in the bible really both literal things and not.
2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
And we look at literal things literally, and non-literal things not.
2. You also said, “Because we, in “Assembly of God” -a born again christian group were informed that God knows everything and this assertion is supported by biblical facts: ”
a. Well, I am also very sorry to say that your group is not in line with biblical facts. Maybe, they are just one of those:
Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
b. In the bible, the brethrens were called CHRISTIANS, not born again christians, which is another invention of your pastors.
Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
They glorified God on that behalf.
1 Peter 4:16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
See? Not born again christians! Don’t get fooled by your pastors again.
c. The church that which is in the bible is called the Church of God, where Paul was an apostle.
Corinthians 1:1 ¶Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:
3. I am also sorry to say that you were misinformed by your pastors that God knows everything; and that they misunderstood the biblical facts that they used to prove their assertions.
a. You used Ecl 6:10. Which version is that? Because I have looked at other translations (such as AKJV, ASV, ESV, KJV, LT, MKJV, NIV, NW, WEB, RSV, YLT, DRV, DB, BBE, GNB, GW, GB, and CEV) and it does not say FOREKNOWN, like that which you wrote in BOLD. And nowhere there can you read that God knows EVERYTHING!
b. In the books of Psalms, Job, and Proverbs, where you cited verses, you should also consider the being of the speaker and the one being referred to. And moreover, the verses did not mention that God knows EVERYTHING!
c. You also cited:
1 Kings 22:39 Now the rest of the acts of Ahab, and all that he did, and the ivory house which he made, and all the cities that he built, are they not written in the book of the chronicles of the kings of Israel?
Ha? It was also written in the book of Genesis that:
Genesis 1:31 ¶And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
But also in the book of Ecclesiastes that:
Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
And where in that verse in the first book of Kings that you used, that gives even the slightest idea that God knows EVERYTHING?
4. You concluded, “Therefore, God knows all future things, Yes, all those things to come.”
Ha? Let me repeat my earlier questions about Jeremiah 19:5.
When God did not command something, nor spake it, NEITHER CAME INTO HIS MIND? Does God know EVERYTHING?
41 sweet_ella17,
Let me say it again than I am sorry if I have been harsh, but, the truth really hurts sometimes.
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
Of course, don’t take it literally.
Let ask the bible as to who was in control that time. I cited:
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
…the god of this world. This is really true. Why? Because:
John 5:19 We know that we are from God and that the whole world lies under the control of the evil one. (ISV)
…under the control of the evil one.
John 5:19 We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. (ESV)
…lies in the power of the evil one.
And because:
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
…they loved darkness rather than light.
May you find the truth.
Ask Bro. Eli. Watch Ang Dating Daan in UNTV37, http://www.truthcaster.com, http://www.untvweb.com, and http://theoldpath.tv.
The differnce between the “Ang Dating Daan” and the “Ang Tamang daan”:
Ang dating daan is a religious program of GOD’s goodness to man, while The “tamang daan” is an illusion of Manalista to put up on TV to disparage the “Ang Dating Daan”.
But what has happened is a vise versa because it is the Manalista which is in SHAME because they are the once who are advertising their IGNORANCE in the Bible for their programs is only composed of lies, false comments and accusations against Bro. ELI. This is a clear proof that they have nothing in their heads but the devil because out of the abundance in their hearts they speak out.
The “Ang Dating Daan” is telling nothing but the TRUTH of GOD.
ahm. well… of course in the world we live theres alot of wickedness happening.. it is because GO want to test and see for him the real people of GOD
OLD PATH I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. DO YOU BELIVE IN ANYTHING? IF YOUR ANSWER IS YES, WHY AND WHAT IS YOUR BASIS OF PROOF?
To Jetty and Wolvie
wolvie: come and analyze with me, jer.19:5″ they have also built the high places of baal to burn their sons with fire for burnt offering onto baal, “which I commanded NOT, nor spake it, “NEITHER CAME INTO MY MIND”
here’s the LOGIC, “ITS VERY STUPID TO BELIEVE THAT GOD KNEW IT AND AT THE SAME TIME IT DIDN’T CAME INTO HIS MIND”
jetty: When God did not command something, nor spake it, NEITHER CAME INTO HIS MIND? Does God know EVERYTHING?
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Mga iho,
Makinig naman kayo feeling nio lang marurunong kayo sa logic pero sa totoo lang hindi po! Sorry ha!
B1: If God knows not everything then who knows?
None?
B1a: I dont think so! Reasoning dictates that there must be somebody who Knows everything, whoever he is, He is the Supreme ONE!
B1 conclusion: If your God knows not everything then your God is only subordinate to B1a
B2: If God is not present everywhere then who is present?
None?
B2a: I dont think so! Reasoning dictates that there must be somebody who is present everywhere, whoever he is, He is the Supreme ONE!
B2 conclusion: IF your God is not present everywhere then your God is only subordinate to B2a
The statement: “Neither came into my mind” is figurative, Its implication is directed to whom it may concern and not to God- Himself. It focuses on the unimaginable & unexpected things that they did despite God’s commandment on them.
YOu cannot apply your logic here wolvie! do you know why? because your logic focuses on literalism which is beyond the extracted relevant message of Prophet Jeremiah.
Please, do not redirect our discussion to something that is not part of the issue, Why are you talking ill of my congregation? I am not speaking ill of your sect despite the fact that I know… your way is not the right way!
Again here are the biblical facts for you to consider!
“Whatever cometh into being, the name thereof was given a long time ago, and it is FOREKNOWN what man is, neither can he contend with him that is mightier than he” ( Ecc. 6:10)
“Thou understandest my thought afar off” (Psalms 139:2)
“Doth he not see all my ways, and count all my steps” ( Job 31:4)
“He sees all their going (Job 34:21)
He exactly ponders man’s behaviour (Proverb 5:21).
He even knows and arranges all contingencies to happen (I Kings 22:39)
Therefore, God knows all future things, Yes, all those things to come.
i have a sister in flesh who is a member of the inc or should i say a fanatic of manalo.as far as i could see at this point,the diffrence about me and her is when i wasnt in the Church of God yet and was continually commiting sins,i wasnt active nor a believer in the slightest way of any religion that existed because i was always being honest to myself that with the way of my living,GOD would not even wanna lay eyes on me.though,i had times where i wanted to serve him but didnt know how to or where.i tried to attend there church once or twice i think but didnt persuade me in the slightest bit cause i coudnt see anything good out of her being involved in manalos church nor did i pick up anything good after i attended there or even understand whatever there pastors were talking about.all im saying is that the problem with some of these people who are in these churches wants to cleanse theyre conciense and pretend that they love GOD by staying in these churches but dont want to change theyre ways or should i say still want to live earthly while some of them are doing it out of pride,cause i think that being a real christian is being diffrent with the rest of the world. for example its really hard to say that drinking strong alcoholic drinks is being rebelious cause if you open youre eyes,people who arent drinking it are the ones that are extremly small in number.well with all honesty im really nobody and i have nothing to boast about me personally but one thing do i know that the words that comes out of BRO.ELI are the words that gave me hope and is continously refraining me from being who i used to be but instead,making me try and try to follow GOD’S will day by day and that even theyre are times where i see myself stumbling i keep on standing up again ofcourse all these i believe is because of GOD’S help and mercy through continously listening to Bro.Eli’s preachings.Cause i wanna be where Bro.Eli will be after his life in the flesh on earth.
Before you doubt in the existence of God, you first have to study you’re very existence on who made you and causes you to live.Before doubting on God’s love to humans, try to realize your everyday survival , who gives you food to eat and who saves you from accidents everywhere. And before we have seen and being hurt in these worldwide crimes , I t is God who have experienced pains to see these cruelties. Jer. 7:30-31,ISa. 1:14-15.
Believe in the Bible which is Bro. Eli is preaching because he preaches it exactly as what the GOD of Heavens wants.
Even if I want to add about His teachings, I could not, because His teachings is perfect because GOD is with Him. All I can say is listen to Bro. Eli because He is Only one among us.
52 Sweaty,
Iha,
1. You said, “Makinig naman kayo feeling nio lang marurunong kayo sa logic pero sa totoo lang hindi po! Sorry ha! ”
Don’t be sorry. Your pastors should be sorry, to have misinformed you. We may not hear you, but I can surely read what you write. I don’t feel that I am logically wise. It is not for me to say so.
2. You asked, “B1: If God knows not everything then who knows? None? ”
I say, surely, not me! Do you? But let us examine the verse again.
Jeremiah 19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:
Notice the verb used: BUILT. This is in past tense, right? Notice also the other verb used: CAME. This is also past tense, right? Well, my teacher back in primary taught me so.
Now, are you telling me that BEFORE these people committed the act that they did, God knew it already? You should consider that this thing NEITHER CAME IT INTO HIS MIND.
When did speak about this? Wasn’t it only AFTER or when the act had already been done? Think of it again.
2. You said, “B1a: I dont think so! Reasoning dictates that there must be somebody who Knows everything, whoever he is, He is the Supreme ONE! B1 conclusion: If your God knows not everything then your God is only subordinate to B1a”
You know, that is just your REASONING/CONCLUSION. But I am sorry to say, IT’S NOT BIBLICAL. Let me quote what Bro. Eli said in:
http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/28/god-is-not-everywhere/
“We are not allowed by any authority in the Bible to ascribe anything to God, whether it seems like adding honor and glory to Him! Why? God does not change. He is infinitely the same from everlasting to everlasting.
(James 1:17) “Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.”
We can not add to His glory by our belief; nor diminish it by our unbelief.
(Romans 3:3-4) “For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect? God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.””
3. You asked, “B2: If God is not present everywhere then who is present? None? ”
I say again, surely, not me! Are you? It is nowhere to be found in the bible that God is everywhere. Instead, in the bible, there are places where He is not there. So how can be OMNIPRESENT - present in any place AT ONCE? This is just an invention of your pastors. It is not biblical.
4. You said, “B2a: I dont think so! Reasoning dictates that there must be somebody who is present everywhere, whoever he is, He is the Supreme ONE! B2 conclusion: IF your God is not present everywhere then your God is only subordinate to B2a”
Again, read #2.
5. You said, “The statement: “Neither came into my mind” is figurative, Its implication is directed to whom it may concern and not to God- Himself. It focuses on the unimaginable & unexpected things that they did despite God’s commandment on them. ”
This is again just your CONCLUSION. And it is not biblical. Examine the phrase again. Do you know what a pronoun is? Do you know that ‘my’ is a pronoun? Do you who ‘my’ is refering to? Let us read from verse 3 of the same chapter.
Jeremiah 19:3 And say, Hear ye the word of the LORD, O kings of Judah, and inhabitants of Jerusalem; Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, the which whosoever heareth, his ears shall tingle.
…THE LORD OF HOSTS.
But you said, “is figurative, Its implication is directed to whom it may concern and not to God- Himself”.
Are you really out of your mind? This I am really sad to say. But do you happen to know who the Lord of Hosts is?
2 Samuel 7:26 And let thy name be magnified for ever, saying, The LORD of hosts is the God over Israel: and let the house of thy servant David be established before thee.
2 Samuel 7:27 For thou, O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, hast revealed to thy servant, saying, I will build thee an house: therefore hath thy servant found in his heart to pray this prayer unto thee.
…THE GOD OF ISRAEL.
The God of Israel said in Jeremiah 19:5 about something that NEITHER IT CAME INTO HIS MIND. Now, does He know everything?
Think again!
6. You said, “Please, do not redirect our discussion to something that is not part of the issue, Why are you talking ill of my congregation? I am not speaking ill of your sect despite the fact that I know… your way is not the right way!”
Why not? Are you hurt? Well, the truth really hurts sometimes. Say whatever you wanna say. Just prove it biblically.
Our way is not the right way? Then what is the right way? Giving tithes to your pastors when he teaches you that no works is needed to be saved? Is giving tithes a good work then?
It is nowhere in the bible that christians were told to give tithes. What you use as basis is this very popular verse among hungry BORN-AGAIN dogs:
Malachi 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
But, to whom was this commanded? The giving of tithes was commanded for ALL ISRAEL.
Malachi 4:4 ¶Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
Who exactly among Israel had a commandment to take tithes?
Hebrews 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
…THE SONS OF LEVI. NOT YOUR GREEDY BORN-AGAIN KUNO PASTORS!
The priesthood had already been changed, so is the law.
Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
For christians, the law is this:
2 Corinthians 9:7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
…ACCORDING AS ONE PURPOSETH IN HIS HEART - NOT TEN PERCENT!
7. You again cited verses:
Read again point #3 of my post #47.
I just want to highlight that the version you used for Ecl 6:10 has the word, FOREKNOWN in it. But when I looked up other translations, it is nowhere to be found. I just wonder where you got that.
JET,
Don’t be literal using Church of God name as a basis of a “true church”, it just only a conjunction and description.
The “real church” has a spiritual “BLANKS” in the fulfillment of the truth.
and the “BLANKS” are:
> a sharing of common interests, goals, experiences, or views
> companionship or friendly association
> membership in a group, or the sharing of characteristics with others
> a group of people who share common interests, goals, experiences, or views
by: master MOON
TO SWEET ELLA,
U SAID: I am not speaking ill your sect despite the FACT that i know……..your way is not the right way!
MY ANSWER: Well, i must say you reallly are DUMB AND BLIND to consider something a “FACT” and yet not proven.
Our way as not the right way u say? U consider this a FACT already Ms. Ella? WOW! a fact without a concrete proof, as if your so called reverend pastors and my pastor have clashed in a debate and defeated my pastor.
WELL, I MUST SAY THIS U REALLY ARE VERY CONSISTENT FOR BEING ILOGICAL MY DEAR ELLA.IMAGINE A FACT WITHOUT PROOF,heheheh….
You know what is the FACT?
Our pastor has challenged all the pastors in the world to come out and defend their belief in a DEBATE and that includes you pastors my dear but nobody from your camp went out to defend your belief including Quiboloy.NOW THATS A FACT!!!NOW THAT REALLY A FACT!!!can you prove this wrong miss ella, did some one from your camp dared to face BRO. ELI?
NOW STOP DREAMING AND FACE THIS FACT! you bunch of CHICKENS! qwak, qwak, qwak,qwak…….
TO SWEET ELLLA,
U SAID: neither came into my mind is figurative, its implication is directed to whom it may concern and not to GOD-HIMSELF..
MY ANSWER: well, u just burried yourself deeper in the mud my dear. the implication of “neither came into my mind” was
not to GOD but to someone? Are you really that desperate to direct that statement to someone and not to GOD?hehehehh….no where in the verse, no matter how u squeeze it, there’s just no one else aside from GOD the statement was directed to.PLLSSSS…. STOP TWISTING THE VERSE DEAR, I AM NOT THAT IGNORANT TO BELIEVE YOUR CHEAP OUT OF THE VERSE INTERPRETATION.Figurative or not the statement was directed to GOD and not to someone else!if its someone else then tell me to whom it was directed?
Tell me, what is the non-literal meaning of the statement” NEITHER IT CAME INTO MY MIND”? and because u said that it was not directed to GOD ,then tell me to whom it was directed in a figurative form? pls answer me in a detailed form, pls dnt use “to whom it may concern” statemnts, ok? though i can foresee the funny twisting of the verse, i’ll stil give you the floor to expound more for i find it ammusing toturing your errounous belief.
AND SINCE WE ARE ALREADY IN A COMBATIVE MODE OF CONVERSATION, I STRONGLY INVITE YOU TO EDEBATE FORUM, THE TOPIC IS “IS EVRYTHING POSSIBLE TO GOD” maybe you could bring your cohorts along with you to reason with us.
Kuya Jet and Kuya wolverine,
Yes, I am still young but I am not dumb, I KNOW HOW TO THINK AND ANALYZE , my logic tells me that God’s knowledge is infinite, He is the FATHER of KNOWLEDGE and WISDOM then how come He lacked KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM by not knowing something.
And by the way it is also biblical that His knowledge is infinite and to educate you a a little read the ff:
let us once again post the verse in trial
“they have also built the high places of baal to burn their sons with fire for burnt offering onto baal, “which I commanded NOT, nor spake it, “NEITHER CAME INTO MY MIND” (Jer. 19:5)
Taking the narration above as it is or simply in literal sense will put us in a situation that is not acceptable to our very own logic and reasoning. And put God in a situation that is not ACCEPTABLE to HIM.
Again, How can this God who is the Supreme One, who is the fountain of Knowledge and Wisdom know not everything?
It is clearly written and both our mind can agree that “Great is our Lord , and of great power, His understanding is INFINITE (Psalm 147:5)
If God did not know everything, He is indeed mutable in HIS knowledge. He could be termed as a changeable God graduating from relative ignorance to relative intelligibility. So by being mutable HE IS NOT INFINITE and therefore He is NOT to be considered as SUPREME POWERFUL GOD WHO IS ABOVE ALL.
hay naku naman mulat nga mga eyes at isip nyo,n khit ano p ang sbhin nyo eh talagang wala kayo ng mga kaalaman n ipinagkaloob sa mangagaral n c bro.Eli…..GISING KAYO!!! bago pa mahuli ang lahat at d n kayo mailigtas pa ng mga maling paniniwala ninyo sa kumukulong APOOOY! SA IMPIERNO!!!!! hanggang ngayon eh nag bubulagbulagan p rin kayo kelan kayo maniniwala…..kapag napapaso n kayo sa impierno..wag nawang mangyari un.
57 SUNTOK SA BUWAN,
You seem to be no different from ADVENTIST777, WILLIAM, GWEN, and your other COHORTS.
And again, that is just another baseless invention that you are saying - story telling.
1. You said, “Don’t be literal using Church of God name as a basis of a “true church”, it just only a conjunction and description.”
Ha? The bible says it so. Are you against it?
a. God’s people are called by His name.
Daniel 9:19 O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive; O Lord, hearken and do; defer not, for thine own sake, O my God: for thy city and thy people are called by thy name.
b. When Jesus said in:
Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
…which church is this? Let’s ask the Lord Jesus Christ.
John 12:49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
According to Him, He has not spoken of Himself but the Father. So is it wrong to use the CHURCH of GOD name as a basis of a ‘true church?
c. I am not going to use the writings of the apostle Paul because I know you do not believe in him.
Again, the fact that you do not understand what the Lord Jesus Christ said (whom you say you believe - though I doubt it), makes no wonder why you do not understand what the apostle Paul wrote (whom you do not believe).
d. Instead, I suggest that you answer my questions in post #127 in this page:
http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/05/the-faulty-covenant-of-the-seventh-day-adventist-church/
…especially point #4.
60 ATE SWEATY,
Unfortunately, you still haven’t answered my question about which translation you got Ecl 6:10 from, which has the word FOREKNOWN in it, because I have looked at other versions, and I can’t find any with that.
Anyways,
1. You said, “Taking the narration above as it is or simply in literal sense will put us in a situation that is not acceptable to our very own logic and reasoning. And put God in a situation that is not ACCEPTABLE to HIM.”
a. When these things NEITHER CAME (PAST TENSE) INTO HIS MIND, did (PAST TENSE) God know it BEFOREHAND?
My take on this narration is that there were things that God did not know. He does not know everything.
How about you then? What is your take on this narration? That when this thing NEITHER CAME TO HIS MIND, He knew it beforehand? When He did not command nor spake it?
b. We are not the ones putting God in a situation not acceptable to Him, but those who say that their god is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, etc…
It is the Lord of Hosts, the God of Israel Himself, who said of these things that NEITHER CAME INTO HIS MIND? And now you people are saying that your god knows EVERYTHING. These are all inventions and are just OUTBURSTS OF IGNORANCE.
I am sorry to say that your god is not the God in the bible.
2. You asked, “Again, How can this God who is the Supreme One, who is the fountain of Knowledge and Wisdom know not everything? ”
…fountain of which knowledge? which wisdom? All?
Including that of men’s doctrines?
Ecclesiastes 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
Matthew 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
No!
In fact, God will destroy it and bring to nothing.
1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
How about that of the devils’ doctrines?
1 Timothy 4:1 ¶Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Certainly, Not!
Let me ask you, did God know that satan would rebel against Him?
If yes is your answer, then truly I can say that your god is not that which is in the bible.
Because, why would God who is the Supreme One, as you said, create something (like satan - if God knows) who will turn against Him, and lead/snares man whom He created with His own image and love to wickedness?
3. You said, “If God did not know everything, He is indeed mutable in HIS knowledge. He could be termed as a changeable God graduating from relative ignorance to relative intelligibility. So by being mutable HE IS NOT INFINITE and therefore He is NOT to be considered as SUPREME POWERFUL GOD WHO IS ABOVE ALL.”
Again, this is just your conclusion, and this is not biblical. This is wrong according to the bible.
James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
…with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.