My answers to these Catholic apologists are long overdue! A busy schedule hindered me from posting as early as necessary, but I did not consider this a priority as in having to deal with kids or monstrous liars! I want to answer them now one by one, paragraph after paragraph!
They said:
“If you die for a preacher then you are a cultist and a fanatic. If he [Mr. Eli Soriano] was sent by God he must have a message coming from God. For example is; he must have written a book that is a revelation to him from God… like Moses and St. Paul.”
Repeat:
“If you die for a preacher then you are a cultist and a fanatic.” Says Odan Matig-a.
Answer: Priscilla and Aquila were both willing to die for their preacher, the Apostle Paul. Were they cultists and fanatics?
THE ROMANS 16:3-4
3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:
4 Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles.
To lay down one’s life not only for a preacher but for the least of the brethren in Christ is not being fanatic, or a cultist. It is an act of love!
I JOHN 3:16
Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
Winnie said:
“If he [Mr. Eli Soriano] was sent by God he must have a message coming from God. For example is; he must have written a book that is a revelation to him from God… like Moses and St. Paul.”
Answer: Timothy was sent by God and the Lord Jesus.
PHILIPPIANS 2:19
But I trust in the Lord Jesus to send Timothy shortly unto you, that I also may be of good comfort, when I know your state.
Did Timothy write a book? There is no book in the Bible written by Timothy! Another form of ignorance from a Catholic apologist!
Thomas, James (There were two James elected to be apostles), Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, and Simon the Canaanite, were all sent by God but they did not write like the other apostles!
MATTHEW 10:2-6
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
OdanMatig-a said:
“Winnie’s reasoning is correct! You misunderstood Winnie when you asked, “Is dying for the apostles a wrong reason?” You are way out of the premise Mr. Soriano! The premise is this: “Why? Is your faith with your Bro. Eli? The Catholics during the Roman Empire died for their faith in Christ and not for the apostles.”
So, it is about you and the faith of your follower/followers and not about the apostles.”
Repeat:
“You are way out of the premise Mr. Soriano! The premise is this: “Why? Is your faith with your Bro. Eli? The Catholics during the Roman Empire died for their faith in Christ and not for the apostles.”
Answer: The premise is what you said, “The Catholics during the Roman Empire died for their faith in Christ and not for the apostles.”
The Christians, (not Catholics) during the incumbency of the Roman Empire did not only die for their faith in Jesus but were willing to, for the preachers sent to them by Jesus, and one of them is Epapharoditus.
PHILIPPIANS 2:25-26, 30
25 Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labor, and fellow soldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants.
26 For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick.
30 Because for the work of Christ he was nigh unto death, not regarding his life, to supply your lack of service toward me.
Epaphroditus, because of his services to the Apostle Paul, got sick near death.
When I asked OdanMatig-a, “Is dying for the apostles a wrong reason?” the Biblical answer must be NO! But Winnie butted in and went out of the way and said that to die for me and my wrong belief is not a good reason.
The point of contention is what OdanMatig-a previously said-
“The Catholics during the Roman Empire died for their faith in Christ and not for the apostles.”
OdanMatig-a is wrong because there were Christians who were willing to die for the apostles!
But Winnie stood for him and said:
“OdanMatig-a is right in the sense that, people should not be ready to die for wrong reason.”
Answer: OdanMatig-a did not say that, “…people should not be ready to die for wrong reason.”
What he said was: “The Catholics during the Roman Empire died for their faith in Christ and not for the apostles.”
Then came my (Bro. Eli) question: “Is dying for the apostles a wrong reason?”
Who then is out of context? YOU! Both of you!
Is dying for the apostles a wrong reason as OdanMatig-a claimed? Definitely NO!
THE ROMANS 16:3-4
3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:
4 Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles.
These Catholic apologists are both confused! And yet they support each other. Their premeditated attempts at defending their own belief are most stupid and shallow!
I hope my readers are not as confused as they are!
esoriano 
I read this and being a professor of history and member of the church then may i say that Bro. Eli’s reply is very clear with biblical verses. The Roman Empire is the criminal for all the christians which they executed in the Roman Colosseum (correct me if Im wrong). And also they were the ones prophesized by prophet Daniel in his writings- chapter 7 wherein several prophecies for the Catholic Church. Even your pope (John Paul II) admitted the killings of the Catholic Church and therefore, christians died for the faith and for the apostles (as St. Stephen’s death because of religious discussions). Furthermore, may I say that, is your Pope willing to crucify (because of his faith) as St. Peter’s did.
Edwin,
you claim to be a professor of history, yet you are very vague in your statement and even bias in your assessment.
If you are a professor of history as you claim you are, why not tell your bro. Eli that he is ignorant of History? He said that it wasn’t Catholic christians who were killed during the Roman presecutions. Yet pages of History both Church and secular History attest that it was the Catholic Christians who were killed for their FAITH in Christ.
May I say to you that you are tricked. Let me open your eyes. If you are a follower of Bro. Eli you are a Sorianist, if you are going to die for your FAITH in HIM then you are not dying for Christ. Is he Christ or God? The Bible warns us not to put your FAITH in man(primarily) but advice us to place our Faith to God.
If WE do good things what ever nature, we need to do it primarily for the glory of God.
Winnie:
Tell me, who were the authors of these secular histories your blabbering about??? It’s not surprising that their statements and point of views will always coincide with the rcc history books because they either base them on it or just because they are catholics! besides, again, if you have logic, its not difficult to understand that the rcc has ABSOLUTELY NO CONNECTION to the Church of God even without advance knowledge of corrupt history books! Just read the odds.
“…Believe in the LORD your God, so shall ye be established; believe his prophets, so shall ye prosper.” (2 Chron. 20:20)
Winnie,
For the nth time, it is Christians who are killed and not catholic christians, it is just you own history pages of your church that tell so – SELF-SERVING!
And by the way, the one who open the eyes of people to see the truth is none other than but GOD and not you.
If you cannot accept that a brethren in faith can give his life to Bro. Eli Soriano, well I think it is your burden. Anyway may I tell you that brethren in MCGI is also willing to give their life to another brethren in faith if in need. The logic is we just follow the doctrine of Christ to do good to all men specially to them who are of the household of faith.
Gal 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.
Hello Winnie,
What Edwin is unsure is the name of the coliseum he referred as “Roman Colosseum” and not the martyrdom of the Christian who had killed in the place, which is very clear in his memory as History professor. Edwin shows lowliness in his comment by saying “correct me if I’m wrong”, unlike those high-minded commenter who trusted their own righteousness as a clear violation of the Scripture.
But Edwin are still correct, his memory serves him right, it is called Roman Colosseum, originally the Flavian Amphitheatre (Latin: Amphitheatrum Flavium, Italian Anfiteatro Flavio or Colosseo) Source: Wikipedia –
You may forgotten, or have you read the news from a newspaper back years ago when your pope John Paul II admitted and ask forgiveness for the killing of these Christian martyrs? It was shown by Bro. Eli in other blog, you may search it for your reference and investigation. The admission of Paul II is a clear manifestation that RCC is responsible of such gross killing, are still denying the fact Winnie that your church is murderer?
And you know what Winnie, Bro. Eli did not finished his secondary schooling but whenever and whatever you ask him, he always have an answer, whether it history, science etc. I am still wishing that someday your heart will be opened.
let us ask the late pope: John Paul II who were the killers. https://esoriano.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/inquistions1.jpg
most crimes are commited by catholics…rape…murder…robbery…and even cigarette smoking and drinking liquor is not prohibited in them yet they claim that they are Christians. most of all there doctrines are man-made, invented and outside of biblical context.
Edwin,
You claimed to be a professor of history and then you have this disclaimer to “correct you if you’re wrong”. Why? Do you have no full confidence that what you claimed is right?
Odan matig-a,
It is not a sin to forget something like names of a structure as Edwin is referring to. It will neither affect his confidence is stating the facts the Christians were killed during that time and not the catholic Christians as you claimed, there is no catholic Christians in the Scripture and Edwin is very sure of that.
amen ive read a history books that the emperor of rome especially nero persecuted christians.
some are burned
thanks be to God..to God be the glory! His everlasting light shines through His messenger, Bro. Eli Soriano…. 🙂
That’s our preacher!!!woohoooo!!Thanks be to GOD!!
these matig-a and winnie have proven that they’re not only lost, they’re blind in terms of reasoning as well. You barked in a wrong preacher, guys. pobre naman
Jerico,
your preacher is blantant liar, he deliberately cut and splice statement to make a story. What kind of preacher is he? He said that I made a comment that a preacher sent by God should have had written a book.
Poor bro Eli, he employs trickery as always!
By the way I believe the comment is from another catholic fellow. She was just asking if ever bro Eli received a revelation from God, and if thats the case did he wrote an account of those revelation? That fellow catholic was just making a response from comments made by ADD follower who claims that you received revelation from God. That is why she even said, ” for example”.
Thats a BIG question Bro Eli. Now, you seems to imply that you deny writing any revelation from God based on your argument, you used Timothy as an example. So, if thats the case, are you denying that you have written a book? Are your teachings you wrote in your blogs contains NO revelation from God? And do you also deny what your members claims the you are taught by God?
You have to clarify yourself, you and your followers are singing different tunes here.
Again, about Odan Matig a’s and my response remains standing. Here is why, there are two contrasting statement in
Odan’s, namely;”dying for the faith in
Christ” and” not(faith) in the apostles.
Now, can you see your mistake?
Can you show to your members that the early christians died primarily just for St. Paul? or to any preacher instead of Christ?
Aren’t they ready to die for St. Paul because of their faith in Christ?
Sorry, i should have address to Bro Eli some of my comments here.i was just from my nights shift and was so tired, I just noticed.
@Winnie
“Now, you seems to imply that you deny writing any revelation from God based on your argument, you used Timothy as an example. So, if thats the case, are you denying that you have written a book? Are your teachings you wrote in your blogs contains NO revelation from God? And do you also deny what your members claims the you are taught by God?”
The teachings that Bro Eli is preaching are 100% from the Bible these are same teachings that Christ and the apostles taught during their time, the Bible itself is enough it has all doctrines that man needs to be saved no other book needed no additional teachings needed. Bro Eli does need to write another book he just needs to preach what have been preached by Christ and apostles before. God gave Bro Eli the understanding and the knowledge to be able to preach the pure and undefiled Word of God without any evil agenda exhausting all possible resources to reach out to as many people as he can devoting almost 100% of his time preaching, exposing all religious fallacies to enlightened people ignoring death threats, persecutions and all sorts of false accusations now what revelation are you looking for?
Sagot kasi ng sagot wala namang basehan.
Poor Winnie Said:
Again, about Odan Matig a’s and my response remains standing. Here is why, there are two contrasting statement in
Odan’s, namely;”dying for the faith in
Christ” and” not(faith) in the apostles.
Bambi says :
so you are inserting the word “faith” to make it correct. May I say “Now you see your mistake?”
Poor Winnie Said:
Can you show to your members that the early christians died primarily just for St. Paul? or to any preacher instead of Christ?
Bambi Says :
In here you are inserting the word “just” to malign the truth. Did Bro Eli said “died primarily “JUST” for St Paul?” You see St Paul is an apostle of Christ, you cannot seperate St Paul from Christ.
John 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
THE ROMANS 16:3-4 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:Who have for my life laid down their own necks: unto whom not only I give thanks, but also all the churches of the Gentiles.
Now do you see how you malign the truth? Connecting a word to malign the truth will not work here. Poor Winnie your trickery is way beyond your fathers. Who tricked many to worship false gods.
John8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Winnie says “Aren’t they ready to die for St. Paul because of their faith in Christ?”
The same thing to us Winnie, we are ready to die for Bro. Eli and to any brethren in Christ because of our faith in Christ. Do you still have problem on that?
I’m just quite thinking, do you have the same courage to give your life to somebody for the sake of faith in Christ?
Time is coming Winnie, we pray you will be also enlighten just like us.
Nowadays, in the different Christians Religions, no One dies for their Preacher/Leader because nobody kills him/her !
I think that the Apostles also did not die for their Preacher/Leader ! It was Others who believe differently who killed the Apostles. Obviously, it depends under what angle we see things !
Somebody who wraps himself with explosives, dies for his Preacher/Leader ! No Question !
Here comes again Mr. Judex, the man who loves posting irrelevant things in any topic he wants to mess up.
As you have said, “Obviously, it depends under what angle we see things !”. Therefore, you should comment here by first riding on the “angle” the blogger is trying to show things up. By posting far flung comments, no wonder why other commentators are ignoring your posts.
Anything can be viewed on any angle anyone wants view things. So better stop wasting some calories on your fingers. As I have long been suggesting to you, better talk directly to Bro. Eli in his live Bible expositions to organize things in your mind. I pity that in your current age, you are still so confused.
Again, may the LORD GOD enlighten you, and may you die in CHRIST for your soul.
I cannot agree with you more! That Judex, is just a nuisance. May God give him wisdom to understand the truth in the Bible.
This blog reminds me of Bro. Eli’s debate against two defenders of Seventh Day Adventist – a one versus two debate, Bro. Eli versus Ka Bert and Ka Menong.
Though the tandem exerted much effort in refuting Bro. Eli’s faith, their arguments ate each other. The one said without following the ten commandments, a person will be damned. Ironically, his teammate asserted commandments that are outside of the ten. And the rest is history. (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFCA382C95C3DD67E)
And now, just by reading and understanding Bro. Eli’s blog, you’ll certainly believe that history repeats itself. Though these apologists seem committed in stalking Bro. Eli, well, their efforts don’t prove productive. Too bad for them, they do not know Bro. Eli; Bro. Eli is not yet even starting. He only showed that the apologists’ arguments are like stones dashing upon each other.
To God, not made of stones, always be the glory!
Jeffrey Eugenio,
I hope esoriano blog will publish my rebuttal so that it will be a lively debate. I wish also Mr. Eli Soriano will refute my opinion against your fake church. Mr. Eli Soriano claims that the original church was led by Moses in the wilderness. If it is true he should explain how did it happen when christians and jews were in conflict since 2,000 years ago. If he cannot explain then your church is a fake.
I suggest you make your own blogsite and let’s see if anyone even pays attention to it.
He already explained that, read all his blogs for you to be enlightened.
“He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him.”
(Prov.18:13)
Odan Matig-a points out that if Bro. Eli cannot explain what happened to the church, then his church is fake. But this is just a logical fallacy of argumentum ad ignorantiam (argument to ignorance). Rest assured, Bro. Eli can explain the church’ history but granting he cannot (hypothetically) or, most probably, Odan missed the point, no matter how many people deny the truth or never heard Bro. Eli’s explanation, that doesn’t mean that the church is fake. The church of the Bible, which Bro. Eli preaches, remains genuine, no matter how Odan shuts his ears.
What if we ask the same to Odan. Let his pope explains the genuity of their mother church. If his pope cannot, then Odan’s church is fake.
whoever you are,your church is the one that’s fake and your leaders are all cult.you have not even made any point of argument stand against our very own Bro.Eli. His lines of contact are open.He answers questions for people who has a hard time believing the Bible’s authenticity and he gives clarity to those who read the Bible but cannot understand its truth.Because the Bible is a closed book to people whose mind Satan has already darkened,like yours.Ask question directly to Bro.Eli’s bible expositions or better yet, challenge him to a debate.He is so open for that.I have never heard a catholic program that answers the questions of its flock regarding troubles in faith.Probably because your pope has nothing best to offer at all.Swallow your stupid pride and start opening your mind and turn to God’s reproof,you egoist cult.
Agree! Thanks be to God
Thanks be to GOD bro. Eli that we are not in any manner confused and stubborn like those two Catholic apologists who love to be kept in the dark…
Amen to that!
Thanks be to GOD bro. Eli we are not like those two Catholic apologists who love to be kept in bondage of darkness and hate the light…
I don’t claim to be infalliable and not one catholic apologist can claim that. We makes
mistakes, we are sinners, that is why we are in the Church of God he founded so that we may learn his truth, and be made holy.
You reminded me about the Pharisees in the temple who were hypocrites comparing themselves to a sinner.
Winnie,
I think that is not the right verse be sighted. Trudisliit did not say that he is not a sinner.
“At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.” (Mt. 11:25)
Perfect Sapphire, thanks be to GOD!
In essence, reading all of Catholic Apologists’ statements clearly show to prove of their being wise and prudent in the sight of their colleagues… 🙂
thank you for every thing, and guidance…
thank you Brod Eli Happy Birthday and PBK.
I hope the two catholic apologists have understood the answers of bro. Eli. His (BE) answers in this article is very clearly explained and, with scriptural basis. That is how they should learn to defend their claims, always supported by acceptable (not theoretical) written records so as not to mislead people.
very well written…. *clap* *clap*
Amazing!
Bro. Eli,
You are a false prophet indeed, you lied and even ascribed somebody’s comment as mine! You like to delete some parts of my comments to make it fit to your arguments.
Besides, this topic is nondoctrinal yet you’d chosen to focus on it. Its always been your way out whenever you are caught in a debate. You go to the non-essentials thinking that your opponents are likely not concentrating to these.
Let me state again my take on this. Yes Odan Matig-a is right and correct when he said the the early Christians died for the FAITH in Christ and not( primarily) for the apostles or their FAITH to any of the apostles.
It is by believing Christ or by FAITH in Christ that we are saved( good works required) and not FAITH to any of his apostles.
In like manner, their Faith in YOU will not save them, it is because you are not Christ, yes even if they die for you because of this kind of faith it will remain useless!!! Hence, if somebody die for you, for this reason then it no good at all.
Bro. Eli, why you are avoiding my challenge about your claims you stated in your article, from the east to the west?
@Winnie:
You wrote earlier and I quote: “Jerico, your preacher is blatant liar; he deliberately cut and splices statement to make a story. What kind of preacher is he? He said that I made a comment that a preacher sent by God should have had written a book. Poor Bro Eli, he employs trickery as always! By the way I believe the comment is from another catholic fellow. She was just asking if ever Bro Eli received a revelation from God, and if that’s the case did he wrote an account of those revelations? That fellow catholic was just making a response from comments made by ADD follower who claims that you received revelation from God. That is why she even said, for example”.- end of quote.
Granting for the sake of argument that it wasn’t you but your fellow Catholic who said that a preacher sent by God should have had written a book, the mere fact that you were trying hard to defend her position (as shown above) in effect made you equally liable for gross ignorance of the scripture. You are quick to make accusation such as “blatant liar” notwithstanding that such is the mirror of your own character as I have commented in your previous post quoted as follows:
@Winnie: You wrote and I quote: “Bro Eli said that there is no word, “pope” mentioned in the Bible, then he goes on to say that the word pope means “father”. Of course this time he is 50% correct, he contradicted himself, saying that there is no word pope/papa/father in the Bible. Surely the Bible contains thousands of word, “father”, hence clearly the word pope is in the Bible”. – End of quote.
Again your behavioral Catholicism is in the works here with the above “nice try” at deception, distortion of facts by way of putting words into Bro. Eli’s mouth so to speak. Never did he say that pope means father, instead, what he said was: The word “pope” according to Catholic authorities means, “Father”. You can find that in this reference: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm (Ecclesiastical Latin papa from Greek papas, a variant of pappas father, in classical Latin pappas — Juvenal, “Satires” 6:633).
Moreover, he did not say that the word father is not found in the bible! For the sake of the readers whom you are trying to mislead and deceive, hereunder is the text of Bro. Eli’s discussion of the topic which you @Winnie is trying to distort:
[THE OFFICE AND PERSON OF THE POPE, LEADER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, IS NOT BIBLICAL!
The word “pope” according to Catholic authorities means, “father”. Although Catholic authorities say that Peter was the first pope, no records in history, in archaeology or in the Bible will prove that Peter was once a pope! The apostles, including Peter were prohibited by the Lord Jesus Christ to use the title “father” or “teacher”.
MATTHEW 23:8-9 (KJV)
“But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven”.
Arguments to the contrary based on illogical reasoning and distorted personal opinions are passed off as truth by the Catholics but the final authority is the word of God, which never said that there has been such an office in the true Church.] https://esoriano.wordpress.com/2012/02/04/the-gates-of-hell-shall-not-prevail-against-it/
Careful perusal of the above discussion clearly exposed your deception and lies @Winnie, I’m very sorry for you! Do you consider yourself a Christian? Why can’t you not accept and observe Christian doctrine in MATTHEW 23:8-9? Ah, I see, you’re a Catholic with a Jewish tendency by pitting Isaiah 22:20-21 against MATTHEW 23:8-9! The rest of your comments are irrelevant, misleading and without probative value!”- End of quote.
Now, going back to this latest “comment brouhaha” of yours (where you are trying to downgrade the significance of this blog which you termed as non-doctrinal), I would say that you really are in a continuing denial mode on the biblical doctrine abundantly mentioned by Bro. Eli here while you even have the gall to reiterate the glaringly “massaged statement” of yours as follows:
“Let me state again my take on this. Yes Odan Matig-a is right and correct when he said the the early Christians died for the FAITH in Christ and not (primarily) for the apostles or their FAITH to any of the apostles.”
Note that the above statement of yours is not exactly what Odan Matig-as, your fellow Catholic apologist has said as follows: “The Catholics during the Roman Empire died for their faith in Christ and not for the apostles.” See the difference?
The difference not only in form but in substance as well was clearly explained by Bro. Eli in this article complete with biblical references if you would only care to read and understand very carefully.
Do away with your premeditated and deliberate deception @Winnie so I could hope against hope that yours is not a hopeless case!
“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.” (John 15:13)
There is no greater love than this that you can show to your fellow, especially to the preachers sent by God. 🙂
you are wrong! know what winnie you are being blinded by your preacher in your Religion! I hope that one day after reading the site of bro eli or after listening to Him GOD opens your heart to know the truth witten in the bible… may GOD have mercy on you….
Talk to the marines.
I cried for the true answer of bro.eli from the bible.AMEM po!!!!!!!!!!!
biblically true!. thanks God for a very sensible preacher of our time
Catholic beliefs are indeed Biblically stupid and shallow. Its offensive tactic is deceptive and its defense is truly evasive. Its heretical doctrines and idol worship are really damnable.
In the Catholic website of Karl Keating, there is a certain publicity saying that before the Catholic apologists engage in apologetical exchanges, they have to make sure that they understand argumentation and can understand common fallacies. However, Biblically speaking, it is the other way around. It is the God of the Bible that gives a mouth and wisdom to His sent preachers. Such unrefutable mouth and wisdom is a testimony prescribed by the Lord God which are evident to Brother Eli and Brother Daniel. Thus, no matter how hopeless the Catholic apologists are trying to straighten out their crooked doctrines. Still, God said that none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand [Daniel 12:10].
And it shall turn to you for a testimony. Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. Luke 21:13-15 (KJV)
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away. Luke 21:33 (KJV)
Let all honor and glory be upon the Lord God because He sent us preachers like Brother Eli and Brother Daniel who are rightfully teaching us to obey all things that has been commanded by the Lord Jesus Christ. [Matthew 28:20; 2Timothy 2:15]
Their heart is as hard as the stone of their graven images. no wonder they twisted every Biblical truths to suit their man-made doctrine and traditions to be sounded as Biblical. If they only will listen first to Bro. Eli’s teachings, their eyes might be opened with God’s help.
Thanks be to God for sending Bro. Eli in this dispensation.
@BroEli Im just quite confused about these verses …
i know that there are no contradicting WORDS OF GOD
Matthew 19:26
King James Version (KJV)
26But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible
Hebrews 6:18
that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we may have a strong encouragement, who have fled for refuge to lay hold of the hope set before us:
WOULD YOU MIND @BroEliSoriano to answer me with fairness.. thank you
Hahahaha! if these fools can be defeated by INC ministers, what about by ADD who were feared by INC ministers?
ha ha ha what i tell you odan matic a your A BIG LIAR now you have a cohort he he he what a jerk defending your false faith.be glad cause bro. eli is trying to enlightning you from false religion…..
I’ve reread the previous blog posts and seen the comments about these confused people defending their false faith, and I have to admit Bro. Eli’s answers and rebuttals are very clear, concise and sufficient. What more would you ask for? As the Holy Scriptures say in Daniel 12:10, “Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.” Thanks be to God.
May God enlighten us all.
Very clear, very logical and most importantly, Biblical. If these catholic apologists will still post a reply, then it must be a desperate reply.
thanks be to God for having YOU. Happy 48th Bday. May God bless you and your loved ones po.
@Winnie:
You wrote earlier and I quote: “Jerico, your preacher is blatant liar; he deliberately cut and splices statement to make a story. What kind of preacher is he? He said that I made a comment that a preacher sent by God should have had written a book. Poor Bro Eli, he employs trickery as always! By the way I believe the comment is from another catholic fellow. She was just asking if ever Bro Eli received a revelation from God, and if that’s the case did he wrote an account of those revelations? That fellow catholic was just making a response from comments made by ADD follower who claims that you received revelation from God. That is why she even said, for example”.- end of quote.
Granting for the sake of argument that it wasn’t you but your fellow Catholic who said that a preacher sent by God should have had written a book, the mere fact that you were trying hard to defend her position (as shown above) in effect made you equally liable for gross ignorance of the scripture. You are quick to make accusation such as “blatant liar” notwithstanding that such is the mirror of your own character as I have commented in your previous post quoted as follows:
@Winnie: You wrote and I quote: “Bro Eli said that there is no word, “pope” mentioned in the Bible, then he goes on to say that the word pope means “father”. Of course this time he is 50% correct, he contradicted himself, saying that there is no word pope/papa/father in the Bible. Surely the Bible contains thousands of word, “father”, hence clearly the word pope is in the Bible”. – End of quote.
Again your behavioral Catholicism is in the works here with the above “nice try” at deception,
distortion of facts by way of putting words into Bro. Eli’s mouth so to speak. Never did he say that pope means father, instead, what he said was: The word “pope” according to Catholic authorities means, “Father”. You can find that in this reference: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm (Ecclesiastical Latin papa from Greek papas, a variant of pappas father, in classical Latin pappas — Juvenal, “Satires” 6:633).
Moreover, he did not say that the word father is not found in the bible! For the sake of the readers whom you are trying to mislead and deceive, hereunder is the text of Bro. Eli’s discussion of the topic which you @Winnie is trying to distort:
[THE OFFICE AND PERSON OF THE POPE, LEADER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, IS NOT BIBLICAL!
The word “pope” according to Catholic authorities means, “father”.
Although Catholic authorities say that Peter was the first pope, no records in history, in archaeology or in the Bible will prove that Peter was once a pope! The apostles, including Peter were prohibited by the Lord Jesus Christ to use the title “father” or “teacher”.
MATTHEW 23:8-9 (KJV)
“But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven”.
Arguments to the contrary based on illogical reasoning and distorted personal opinions are passed off as truth by the Catholics but the final authority is the word of God, which never said that there has been such an office in the true Church.] https://esoriano.wordpress.com/2012/02/04/the-gates-of-hell-shall-not-prevail-against-it/
Careful perusal of the above discussion clearly exposed your deception and lies @Winnie, I’m very sorry for you! Do you consider yourself a Christian? Why can’t you not accept and observe Christian doctrine in MATTHEW 23:8-9? Ah, I see, you’re a Catholic with a Jewish tendency by pitting Isaiah 22:20-21 against MATTHEW 23:8-9! The rest of your comments are irrelevant, misleading and without probative value!”- End of quote.
Now, going back to this latest “comment brouhaha” of yours (where you are trying to downgrade the significance of this blog which you termed as non-doctrinal), I would say that you really are in a continuing denial mode on the biblical doctrine abundantly mentioned by Bro. Eli here while you even have the gall to reiterate the glaringly “massaged statement” of yours as follows:
“Let me state again my take on this. Yes Odan Matig-a is right and correct when he said the the early Christians died for the FAITH in Christ and not (primarily) for the apostles or their FAITH to any of the apostles.”
Note that the above statement of yours is not exactly what Odan Matig-as, your fellow Catholic apologist has said as follows: “The Catholics during the Roman Empire died for their faith in Christ and not for the apostles.” See the difference?
The difference not only in form but in substance as well was clearly explained by Bro. Eli in this article complete with biblical references if you would only care to read and understand very carefully.
Do away with your premeditated and deliberate deception @Winnie so I could hope against hope that yours is not a hopeless case!
a very clear and sound reasoning!… kudos for that bro. Eli!
Thanks be to God for giving his holy spirit, his words of wisdom and knowledge to his humble servant bro.eli who’s very courageous to speak the truth and biblical words of God. To God be the Glory…
Thanks be to God. Amen!
If Odan Matig-a and Winnie are really confident with what their saying, and publicly insist they are right in the purpose of, maybe, saving people from their wrong beliefs, why don’t they engage in a formal debate to prove who is right or wrong. Or better yet, let their so-called leaders fight for them.
bro eli’s sense of logic is of considerable substance. making arguments with him forcibly shows wisdom to a thinking mind. on the other side, the word idiot really exists for a reason!
How come one do not willing to die for all Christians? Matig-a have not read yet that Jesus died on the cross? Early Christian and all Apostle died for the sake of the brothers and sister in Christ, but i don not mean they have died in resistance using fist fighting, war, or any kind of violent ways like Catholic did in early century. Christians always defend their faith by means of revealing and uttering the truth against to those unbeliever, and we are ready to die but not in resistance of using violent force. Christians defend their faith in the manner of what Jesus Christ teaches in the Bible. Unlike others False Faith, although we are ready to die for sake of the true faith we are not killers as what others do.
Come all the detractors of the true faith & feel the power of God.
Luke 21:13-15
Proverbs 26:5
Answer a fool according to his folly,
or he will be wise in his own eyes.
why this people always ask for a sign before they believe in the truth??the only truth is what is written in the bible….in addition, for short, only Bro. Eli preaches the bible correctly….if you don’t believe, its up to you…but your life is in danger…..
why waste your time explaining simple truth to people who doesn’t even want your explanations..indeed you have to, so their mind might open up, but after doing it twice, thrice & even more times? geez…may pag-asa pa ba?! sayang lang effort! yaan nyo cla kung gus2 nila sa apoy! after all is said & done…it’s up to them if they’re gonna believe or not….go wait for the judgment day…magsisisi din mga yan sa di nila pagtanggap sa tamang aral! i myself is a sinner…but i am sure that i am not defending & will never defend a false religion like catholicism!
This is a call for a BIG religious debate….let see who says right and wrong…the Pope vs Bro. Soriano…i want to see religious leaders head-to-head…For Catholics, encourage your Pope to meet Bro. Eliseo. I know bro. Eli will not take this chance to go by f this s gonna take place…Who deserves to be followed? ^_^
Catholics like to regard themselves as the “christians” and they thought what they killed during the Inquisitions were heretics. They are asking for a “revelation” now so they can “relate”. They are so used to be given “revelations from the saints” that they forgot there is the bible to guide them. They want some kind of lies to believed into, often refusing to accept what is the truth that can be read in any bible translations – even their bible! They have become their idols. Having eyes but cannot see, having ears but cannot hear and so on… I hope God pity these apologists to have a sense of better judgment through these kind of forum.
Doing good deeds in the eyes of men will never save anyone. God knows what lies in your heart. If you are a home wrecker, or a thief or a killer = just the same isn’t it? If you are the cause of a home being broken, you are guilty of robbing someone’s husband or wife, someone’s father or mother. Thereby, like killing those kids who are suddenly fatherless or motherless. God will avenge those kids whom you have caused such pain for no reason other than, you and someone already married have “realized” you are “soul mates”. Ask here what salvation awaits anyone. and mind you, it is but once only. Like the label on hermetically sealed syringes: SINGLE USE ONLY.
I hope they will be enlightened with this blog, I hope they will try to open their minds and their hearts while reading this. Being a Christian is not just a name to call.
I love Bro. Eli’s way of disproving things – very logical and biting. A counterexample is enough but he’s got more!
Thanks be to God! Amen.
As accurate as the answers to each point thrown by these catholics, i do hope too that the confusion stops (right here) through this blog entry. If not, then they must’ve been lulled to a deep slumber by their religion that they can’t wake up to the truth.
I think that the hardest to open is a heart and mind intentionally closed to an idea a person don’t want to accept much even more to try.
I have abandoned the catholic fake church.cant beleive i beleived in all that foolishness.wow.more and more catholics are coming to christ.praise jesus.idols,eucharist,catechism,rosary,to the dumpster.only the God of the bible.my long research le
Winnie,jajaja,stop it.pride and anger have overtaken you.cant you see you lost.the bible is the inspired word of God.he made sure we got it here on earth.i researched,peter is not the fi1st pope.catholic church is fake.one day you will see i told you the truth.i abandoned the catholic church.if it was the true church beleive me i would still be catholic.i found out catholic church contradicts the bible,twisting some scriptures to their liking.cry winnie,me and more catholics are abandoning church.