Comments from a Reader Wanting to Die for Me


Winnie said:

I myself could defend Bro Eli Soriano if his life is in danger, if somebody want to kill him, then I am obliged to help. However, I will not do it because of the faith he is peddling. Odan Matig-a is right in the sense that, people should not be ready to die for wrong reason. If you die for the wrong faith, a man-made faith then that is not a good reason.

 Let us analyze first their exchanges. OdanMatig-a was first responding to one of my write-ups to which Winnie rejoined. Let’s begin with what OdanMatig-a posted.

Odan Matig-a posted:

“Why? Is your faith with your Bro. Eli? The Catholics during the Roman Empire died for their faith in Christ and not for the apostles.”

Winnie said that Odan Matig-a is right about what he posted:

“Why? Is your faith with your Bro. Eli? The Catholics during the Roman Empire died for their faith in Christ and not for the apostles.”

And Winnie’s analysis is this:

“Odan Matig-a is right in the sense that, people should not be ready to die for wrong reason. If you die for the wrong faith, a man-made faith then that is not a good reason.”

So, as Winnie had analyzed, is dying for the apostles a wrong reason? Is that what you have understood in the post of OdanMatig-a? It’s either that you do not know how to read or you are not in the proper state of mind! I will not say I love you as you hypocritically say that to me! I pity you!

The first century Christians were taught to lay down their lives or “be ready to die” for their brethren.

I JOHN 3:16

Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.

Let us review.

Odan Matig-a said:

“The Catholics during the Roman Empire died for their faith in Christ and not for the apostles.” “…and not for the apostles.” (Emphasis mine.)

Winnie, can you not perceive what is wrong in what OdanMatig-a said?

By saying he is right, aren’t you implying that the apostles were wrong in their teaching that a Christian must be ready to lay their lives for a brother?

You (Winnie) said:

“I myself could defend Bro Eli Soriano if his life is in danger, if somebody wants to kill him, then I am obliged to help. However, I will not do it because of the faith he is peddling.”

That was what you posted. The truth is, it is very unnecessary for you to die for me! Thank you anyway for your concern. But the Lord Jesus Christ had died – already -for all of the faithful, including me. And mind you, I am not peddling faith like your Catholic priests do! In our faith, we do not sell baptisms, marriage ceremonies, indulgences and whatever church services!

MATTHEW 10:7-8

7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

 A friendly advice to Winnie: Do not meddle in a discussion between me and another person!

PROVERBS 26:17

He that passeth by, and meddleth with strife belonging not to him, is like one that taketh a dog by the ears.

 Here’s more for you, Winnie :

Why will you (Winnie) say that you can’t anymore find my posts about the “truth” being preached from the east to the west? Blogs posted on this site are meant to stay for public consumption and they are not withdrawn!

You said: 

“Yes, a lot of people believe fables to be true. Like your fables, claiming the fulfillment of Malachi 1:11. There is no way you can defend it, i cannot even find it anymore your post, from the east to the west. Is it because it is based on a shaky foundation and myth? Just asking.”

I had been quoting you to the dots, spacing, punctuation, and all – no changes. Aren’t you asking or haven’t you prejudged that I cannot defend my faith? Are you a priest or an authority of the Roman Catholic Church? If you are not, call your priests or cardinals, or even your pope, and I will defend my faith and prove to the entire world that the Roman Catholic Church is not the church established by the Lord Jesus Christ!

Be true to yourself because if you cannot, how can you be true to others? Judging is different from asking! It’s that simple!

You said:

“Jesus used hyperbole in Matthew 23:8-9. Jesus employed type of teaching to make his point but he did not literally forbid calling other humans these, master, father, teacher”.

I quote again these verses:

MATTHEW 23:8-9

8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

 When you said:

“…he did not literally forbid to call other humans these, master, father, teacher…”, and that he used hyperbole in the preceding verses, what will be the “otherwise”?

If it is not a literal prohibition to call humans father, then it must be spiritual! If used to a literal or physical father it is not prohibited to call him “father,” but as your explanation implied, aren’t Catholic priests and popes literal and physical “father”?

What kind of father are they?

You are certainly mixed-up! Kawawa ka naman! May the Lord enlighten your mind!

101 thoughts on “Comments from a Reader Wanting to Die for Me

  1. Amen Bro Eli! No wonder your blog is the best blog I’ve ever read. Thank you for enlighten us once again. Thanks be unto God!

  2. yeah! this is what i like about bro.eli! a round of applause for defending God’s Words! to God be the glory!😉

  3. Its been while since I have been able to get updated with Bro Eli’s posts. And I certainly enjoyed reading this rebuttal because this is a classic example of how mixed up some Catholics are about the doctrine of calling their priest Father.

    They say that Jesus didn’t “literally” prohibit Christians from calling other men their Father. But a very eloquent argument by Bro Eli clearly outlines this fallacy of reasoning. If we are to follow Winnie’s logic, that Jesus did not forbid us calling other men Father from a literal stand point, then it could only mean one thing – Jesus is prohibiting us from a spiritual stand point.

    This is why Catholics’ reasoning are so mixed up, because their priests are not their “literal” Father of their flesh in the first place, but they still call them “Father”.

    Therefore, it simply means that they are calling their priests “Father” from a “spiritual stand point” – they (Catholics) mean to say then that their priest is their “spiritual Father” and this is PRECISELY what Jesus told us NOT to do! How ironic.

    How can one be so blind not to understand this?

    Thanks be to God Bro Eli for your answer, it is very enlightening. I just hope and pray that Winnie will be guided by the Spirit of God to understand this and change his erroneous views.

    • Lol. I remember the other day, a catholic bishop/archbishop was interviewed in Radio 5. He said, “They call us father, just like God the Father.” I exclaimed what a blasphemer! He compared themselves to God!!! He should be scared of what he said. And yes, he was an authority of the church. He went on talked against his colleagues in other countries saying they’re worse than the priests in the Philippines. If their priests commit a sin (in other countries), they are not removed from the office or authority or whatever but are just transferred. Whereas here, priests are not allowed to conduct mass (true, because this happened to the priest assigned to our parish because of lust). Catholics should think not just twice but multiple times if they still want to go on with their faith with these blasphemers.. I think it was Sen Gordon who was the interviewer, he mentioned about pedophilia then the bishop/archbishop exclaimed “MARAMI KANG ALAM”. We just laughed haha

  4. Bro,
    God knows the heart of men. As a catholic christian I am obliged to follow Christ. He said, “love your enemies”, I am sincere in what I stated that,I love you.
    Now, with regards to Odan’s comment regarding the apostles. Now, if you fail to understand then I will clarify it for you.

    First, and most importantly to consider is that God is the most important person in our lives. The apostles left everything for Him.
    Secondly, dying for the apostles is just secondary thing. In like manner,the early christians did not die primarily because of the apostles but because of Christ Our God and Saviour.
    We can chose how we spend our lives, and to whom to dedicate it. We can even die for someone, yet for different reasons. God gave us this freedom and this freedom is a gift in itself.
    If anyone is in danger, I am willing to help because of my faith to God,regardless who is that person is. If in the case of Bro Eli, I will defend him against harm. Yet,NOT because of his faith(wrong) but because I chosen to and ultimately for God. Hence, I won’t DIE for him, or for his faith.

    • Winnie Said :
      “God knows the heart of men. As a catholic christian I am obliged to follow Christ. He said, “love your enemies”, I am sincere in what I stated that,I love you.”

      bambi Says :
      Common winnie don’t fool us with your flowery words. As you said you’re obliged to follow Christ? Then follow Christ in all the commandments that he taught us. When Christ left he gave us His word (Mat 28:19-20). Then you are really following Christ. Don’t make graven images, Don’t worship them! That call your preist or religous leaders father or for worst most reverend father, freely give those are given free by Christ. You can’t for you are not following Christ. How can you love your enemy if you don’t love your own brother and sister who are sleeping outside your churches. Let them in and give them food and shelter (1John4:19-21). Your Priest are bunch of lairs and it goes to you as well.

      • Bambi,
        Christ left us a Church to teach about his words and commandments that is what in Matthew 28:19-20 and not a book. His Church is the foundation and pillar of TRUTH (1 Timothy 3:15) And because it was God who built it(Matthew 16:18-20) hence, it will last. Unless the LORD builds the house, those who built it labor in vain.(Psalm 127:1)

        St. Paul said,” and to make everyone see what is the plan of the mystery hidden for all ages in God who created all things; so thay THROUGH the CHURCH the wisdom of God in its variety might now be known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly places.(Ephesians 3:9-10)

        It is very clear that this is God’s plan that through His CHURCH God’s wisdom is revealed. This plan will never change, in Ephesians 3:11 it says,” This is in accordance with the eternal purpose that he has carried out in Christ Jesus our Lord,…” Why? It is simple, the Church is his Body, he established it to teach all nations.(Matthew 28:19-20) and this Church mission is until the consumation of the world. For Our God is truly great. St Paul said,”to him be glory in THE CHURCH and in Christ Jesus TO ALL GENERATIONS, forever and ever. Amen.”(Ephesians 3:21)
        In 1Colossians 1:18, and in Ephesians 5:23,Christ is said to be
        the Head of the Church.
        Christ is compared to a husband and A head, and the Church to a wife who is his body of Christ. If we see this analogy only makes sense and applicable to the Catholic Church. For God so love the world(John 3:16) that he didn’t left us without a church to teach us the right doctrines. He will never abandon his BoDY/CHuRCH or even let her astray to false doctrines as the Holy Spirit guides her to all TRUTH. John 16:13 says,”When the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth”.

        The Catholic Church with the guidance of the Holy Spirit Gives
        assurance that each book in the New Testament is truly inspired and truly word of God. Again, no other church councils held to settle this issue, which books belong to the New Testament. Only the Catholic Church. Some protestant tried to removed some of the books. Maybe Bro. Eli could find which book is not suppose to be included in the Bible.

        Even without naming which church qualifies to be the Church of God, it is very clear that its only the Catholic Church. Its presence in ALL GENERATIONS is clear in the pages of HISTORY. Its mission to all nations to teach about the message of God’s salvation is attested by the bloods of our missionaries.

        Christ being the head loves his body,St Paul says,” For no one ever hates his body,but nourishes and tenderly cares for it, JUST AS CHRIST DOES FOR THE CHURCH.”

        Bambi, I hope you will be strong and will receive God’s blessing.

    • I see winnie’s confusionS because of being in catholic faith.

      Whichever case, primary or secondary, it doesn’t matter. For example, a man from far flung areas who haven’t heard anything about GOD may give his life to a fellow, and GOD will still honor such deed. Even if he did not do it for an unknown GOD (for him), it is not worthless.

      Always remember to think before you post. May the LORD GOD enlighten us all.

  5. To God be the Glory! Amen!

    To Winnie and Odan,

    You claim to know the truth yet you don’t understand each other. Both of you are eating your words now. I wonder how you go over this one now?

    • Bambipati,
      you jump to your conclusion too early. Really? Agreed with me on my statement that its no good reason to die for wrong faith. He definitely understood my point, bro Eli certainly didn’t.
      Please read Odan’s Matig-a’s latest comment definitely we speak the same message but I must admit, he is more articulate than I.
      Bambipati, why don’t you help Bro Eli understand the figure of speech hyperbole.
      He couldn’t just get it right.Will you?

      • Poor Winnie, You cannot correct something that is already correct. Why don’t you help yourself correcting your preist’s mistakes. There’s a lot of evidence presented in this blog and all of them came from the scripture that proves your catholic doctrine is full of lies. (John8:44). I’m sorry winnie but you are asking the wrong person to help you DENY the truth.

  6. I also read Winnie’s comments in the previous blog and I thank Bro. Eli for responding to her. I hope she stops judging and start using her head objectively—not subjectively. Everything is in the Bible. Only one true Church is established by the Lord Jesus Christ and that is where our faith should be based upon and not man-made religions that conduct religious practices not found in the Bible. Please, for you souls’ sake, if you want to know answers for your questions, have an open mind instead of defending what you only know (which is not much if you compare your knowledge of the BIble to Bro. Eli’s). Being stubborn and prideful will only make you more ignorant than a pure-hearted person with an honest inquiry. God bless you all and thanks be to God!🙂

    • Kai,
      know the truth and truth will set you free. Know that its Bro Eli who always been attacking and judging the Catholic church. Now, that we catholics defending our faith using the Bible, he should be ready to be judge in the light of the truth.

      You don’t want us to argue with him because you were like charmed people who follows each commands he says, applausr each word he speaks. Pag nagdura palak-pakan kayo sabay bigkas “glory to god!”, pag nagmura ang sarap ng feeling niyo, sabay bigkas, “thanks be to god for the sensible preacher”.
      I don’t see a sensible character in him, he always loves to be praise, he always claim that other preachers are all liars and its only him who speaks for God. This is exactly what Jesus means when he said, “you don’t have other teacher” yet, Bro. Found his own church.He became” the “teacher”,and “father,”and act and speak like a “master”

      where in the Bible says that by reading the Bible you can build the church of God?

      Bro Eli need to answer this.

      • Poor Winnie,

        Those are just personal attack of yours. Attack our doctrines cause if we will basing in personal matters your priest have a lot of Notorious and Most Notorious one, who killed and corrupted and still corrupting a lot of people. Who is calling Bro Eli a teacher? Or a Master? We don’t call him does words yet you call your Preist father and most reverend father it goes back to you poor wennie. We are obeying Bro Eli because we know God sent him (John 3:34) to deliver His words, that is why we follow him (2Tim 3:10). Knowing the truth alone will not set anyone free doing it will set you free. It is like faith without works is dead like your church dead in the works of faith. And to think your people followed and conived once with the most notorious pope including the notorious popes. Poor winnie it all goes back to you a back fire that leave you nowhere to go but the truth.

        Don’t make a fool out of yourself Poor Winnie, there is none in the bible that allows anyone to make his own church, but yours. We didn’t create our own church but we cleave into it(1Cor1:1-2).If you study your church history you’ll find out that yours is a creation starting on your church name. “ANG SA DIOS TINATAWAG SA PANGALAN NG DIOS” and it is not “roman catholic church” but “THE CHURCH OF GOD” (1Tim3:15).

      • Poor Winnie,

        Those are just personal attack of yours. Attack our doctrines cause if we will basing in personal matters your priest have a lot of Notorious and Most Notorious one, who killed and corrupted and still corrupting a lot of people. Who is calling Bro Eli a teacher? Or a Master? We don’t call him with those words, yet you call your Preist father and most reverend father it goes back to you poor wennie. We are obeying Bro Eli because we know God sent him (John 3:34) to deliver His words, that is why we follow him (2Tim 3:10). Knowing the truth alone will not set anyone free doing it will set you free. It is like faith without works is dead like your church dead in the works of faith. And to think your people followed and conived once with the most notorious pope including the notorious popes. Poor winnie it all goes back to you a back fire that leave you nowhere to go but the truth.

        Don’t make a fool out of yourself Poor Winnie, there is none in the bible that allows anyone to make his own church, but yours. We didn’t create our own church but we cleave into it(1Cor1:1-2).If you study your church history you’ll find out that yours is a creation starting on your church name. “ANG SA DIOS TINATAWAG SA PANGALAN NG DIOS” and it is not “roman catholic church” but “THE CHURCH OF GOD” (1Tim3:15).

  7. Bro. Eli,
    i think you are a bit muddled up here. Let me explain you deceptive interpetation.

    You only isolated the,”call no man your father” and ignored the rest of the “said prohibition” like;teacher and master”. Was St Paul went against Christ “prohibition” against calling somebody “teacher”?. Were those teacher mention by St. Paul teaching worldly things or the things of God?

    The fatherhood of a dad or a priest is from God. God called people in the OT fathers. Was God wrong about calling people as such? When St.paul described/called himself to be a “father”and address the christians as sons or children, can you deny that this relationship is from God? In what sense did sense did he became a father?

    If you can’t answer these, please accept your limitations.

      • Bro Eli,
        For your information, hyperbole is a type of speech that exagerate things to make a point, it doesn’t follow that if it is not literal then it is spiritual. Similarly, Christ didn’t said,” call no spiritual father on earth” In fact if you read Matthew 23:6-7 you will realise that Christ despised the actions of arogance and without humilty of men.
        Christ is the teacher and thru his body the church teaches us. Not a man-made church like yours. You had became a teacher, a master and a father/founder of your church. You set your self against his Church, became a teacher of another gospel, and you begat you own Church. That is reality are you are refusing to become part of his body/church. because of your arogance you think that you are a better teacher than Christ/ The church.
        Sorry to hurt your ego, but that is the simple truth.
        May God have mercy on your soul.

      • “You had became a teacher, a master and a father/founder of your church.” Where did you get this?

        Poor winnie. May the LORD GOD enlighten you.

    • Poor Winnie,

      Who are you fooling? What is being prohibited is being called father. If you are a religous leader Christ prohibits the christians to call the leaders father. And that is Simple.

    • Poor Winnie said :

      Christ didn’t said,” call no spiritual father on earth”

      Bambi says :

      In John 6:63 (KJV) It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life

      Let me put it in BOLD WORDS ” THE WORDS THAT I (Christ) SPEAK UNTO YOU. they are SPIRIT and they are LIFE”. Now who are you fooling Poor Winnie?

      Winnie Said :

      “you will realise that Christ despised the actions of arogance and without humilty of men.”

      Bambi says :

      Look at your PRIEST and YOU will realise that CHRIST DESPISED THE ACTION of ARROGANCE and WITHOUT HUMILITY of MEN (Your Priest). Allowing them to be called most reverend father when in the bible/scripture God was called Reverend once without the word MOST. If you will think about it Poor Winnie the reason why MOST was not included in the adjective Reverend because there is only one Reverend Father and it is GOD. Not your your PRIEST. See the point it is Simple logic Poor Winnie.

      • Bambipatti,

        I think you are getting mad at me personally. Peace be in your heart.

        Bambi, you are really muddled or afraid of the truth concerning your Bro.Eli. Now you are denying that he is not your “teacher”, Is he not your “mangangaral”? If not then who taught your beliefs? Is it not him or you’d just self-taught?

        You are clinging to your argument that your Bro eli didn’t found your church but you jusy cleaved to the church in the Bible. Well, that doesn’t work! The SEC proves that it was your bro Eli who founded it.
        That’s why he has to register it to the said government office. You are just fooled and you buy into his trickery.

    • Oh winnie, you post poor reasoning here. Don’t make yourself funny. I suggest you sit down for a while and drain that confusion.

      The “prohibition” refers not to relationship, but to the way a certain person in the Church is addressed. Of course, CHRIST is not discussing earthly things. If I call Bro Eli “father” which is a way he allowed for him to be called in the Church, then that is wrong! Good thing he doesn’t want to be called like that. But if I call him father after he adopted me from the streets, then it has nothing to do with religion and not prohibited by the Bible.

      If GOD called Abraham, Isaac and Jacob fathers, it simply (and obviously) means father to the Israelites, referring as ancestors. And basically, they are not addressed as “father” by title.

      Bro Eli did not ignored anything but letting you focus on what he is trying to explain. Winnie’s confusion is so evident here.

      Usage is the key; please compose yourself.

      • Jezz,
        Please read whole chapter 23 of Matthew’s gospel then you have to tell me after what is the context of verse 8-9.
        Jesus condemned their actions and for being hypocrites,and also for their lacked of humility.

        In verse 8-10 let us read,”But you are not to be called Rabii(teacher) for you have one teacher and you are all students, And call NO ONE your father ON EARTH, for you have one Father in heaven.”

        Now, What is the real meaning of these verses, how should we understand it?
        Bro Eli and your fellow ADD members argues that it should be interpreted “spiritually”
        Jesus always tells truth and has spiritual message in his words.

        Christ said, “call NO ONE your father ON EARTH”

        He said,”call no one your father on earth”, then my question is, Is you father not on this earth?

        If we agree that we can call our biological male parent then there should be alternative and better understanding to it.

        Is it to understand it as a prohibition of calling somebody as “spiritual father”? No! Christ gave “spiritual father” to Corinthians in the name of St Paul.In St Pauls 1st letter to the Corinthians 4:15,..”Indeed, IN Christ Jesus I became your FATHER ( not biological) through the GOSPEL (spiritual)

        The gospel is certainly spiritual, that through it St. Paul became a FATHER, furthermore in Christ Jesus he became a FATHER indeed.
        Now, can you tell me what kind of a FATHER St. Paul was?

        What then Jesus meant in Matthew 23:9? Again if we read the context it tells us that Jesus used hyperbole to make his point, and that is not to exalt ourselves and also not to seek a cult leader like who robbed the Fatherhood of God,

        Compare Luke 14:26,” whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mothet,wife and children,brothers and sisters,yes even life itself can not be my disciple.”

      • Jezz,
        continuation lang.

        If we take Christ words literally in Luke 14:26. we will be contradicting Christ message of love.
        Jesus is not asking us to hate our love ones, for he even asks us to love our enemies.

        If we are to follow Bro Eli’s argument
        which is to make use of “spiritual” argument then we will end up in a mess and confusion. Do you agree with him if ask you to hate your immediate member of you families?
        Do you agree with him if he will ask you to hate them “spiritually” if not literally?

        Well, that would be absurd and
        requires you to think if you are in your sanity.

        Again, like in Matthew 23:9 in Luke 14:26, Jesus used hyperbole, Christ is tells us to Love God above all things and to love him more than anyone and that includes ourselves.
        There’s no commandment from Him to hate. There is also no real prohibition to call a priest like St Paul ” FATHER”( spiritual) but he asks us not to exalt ourselves and not to be fanatic to a founder of your cult which robs the REAL founder of the Church of God.
        If you read you dictionary, “father” is also defined as” founder”

        your imitation church founder is bro Eli, hence, it’s him who violates Matthew 23:9. As I adviced you to read the whole chapter 23 then you will see that it’s the ACTIONS that Jesus condemned the Pharisees.
        And not their Titles, for he even said that these scribes and Pharisees sits at the seat of Moses.

        Jezz, please meditate and pray for guidance from God for he do loves you.

  8. AMEN!

    Wow this is a strong message for you ms Winnie.. Bro Eli quoting your posts, ..you must take this so seriously. After this, you will not here from me anymore.. (and maybe from all my brethren).. You decide if you want to totally dump yourself or not.

    • Roy,
      I stated my Biblical arguments, I hope you haven’t been bias. True enough there are some passage of the Bible that is hard to understand that those unstable will try to twist the true message of God.
      I urged you to read my whole argument and bro. Eli’s arguments then decide which is true. I am not asking you to answer this question to me rather pray to God for guidance. Remember your soul should always desire to seek God with humility of heart. For nothing in this world is greater than Him who created us. God wants us to love Him more than anything or anyone and that includes ourselves. Yes, He is greater than bro Eli.
      I will pray for you that you may receive the gift of courage and himilty to embrace the truth.God bless.

      • Poor Winnie,

        Your arguments are bias and twisted. You can’t even understand simple truth with simple logic how can you be right? Your priest can’t even correct their mistakes. Remember when your pope announced that there is no hell yet scriptures said that there is? Because it is justice. Remember when your pope said that there is no Limbo that children when they die they go to heaven? How long have you been believing LIES about your limbo? Many catholic members have died already believing that Big LIE.

  9. he was a know how person a fanatic person luck of knowledge one sided.hes always favor to his religion.odan matig a.me i came from catholic but there something abwt god that is y im investigating the truth bekos my 2nd lyf relay on it.

  10. So true! they can’t depend it at all, no one from the popes or priests that they are calling fathers can depend their faith… may they be enlightened! Thanks be to God!

    • Blade,
      bro Eli’s logic is faulty, his understanding of the Bible is from Nicolas Perez and from himself, hence not from the apostles or from their successors. I can see how much he tried to defend himself against my biblical and sound arguments yet he failed miserably and end up exposing himself as unqualified teacher of the word of God.
      I would love to hear a reaction from himself if he could acknowledge defeat which is a sign not of weakness but true humility. However, if he has more good arguments and able to demolished mine,then I will post my acceptance of defeat and my even ask to be indoctrinated. I believe I already addressed and refuted all his previous main arguments against calling our priest
      “father”.
      May God lead you to his true church. Amen.

      • Poor Winnie said :

        I believe I already addressed and refuted all his previous main arguments against calling our priest “father”.

        Bambi Says ;

        You haven’t made any point yet??? You haven’t refuted anything yet???

        Poor Winnie said :

        I can see how much he tried to defend himself against my biblical and sound arguments yet he failed miserably and end up exposing himself as unqualified teacher of the word of God.

        Bambi Says :

        On who’s standard? Yours? Come on Poor Winnie let us put the bible as the standard not your ilogical mind.

      • Can you tell me winnie on which point did Bro eli fail or become illogical, as unqualified teacher of the word of God? Or you may say your fathers are the once qualified to teach the word of God? Can you tell me so? I know you are not one of the fathers of catholic church and as a member of your church you will some how defend it. That’s why this blog is created. You should somehow argued with biblical bases as Bro eli do.

      • Amen! I do agree with this. I have been watching Bro. Eli’s arguments and I found out so many faulty interpretations and conflicting ideas in his teachings. Maybe THESE followers of him did not notice that because THEY ARE SO BUSY APPLAUDING. Their eyes cannot see it because they are clouded by their being fanatic to that person.

        Actually, I like the Good deeds of Eli like the mobile learning, free medical services (I HOPE THEY ARE NOT JUST another PROPAGANDA TO GAIN MORE MEMBERS… I’m sure that’s one thing. hmmm. but it’s good! ), but what I hated most are his wrong and contradicting interpretation of the Bible and his constant attack to the Catholic Church. He should have more time doing research to know the truth better. But I’m not sure about that coz we all can see that his days are ending. “For the wages of Sin is Death.”

        But yes, his contribution to our country are remembered. The number of people He had converted to Faith and believe that God indeed exist. The number of Young people he had inspired to move on through life and choose what is good for them.

        I just imagine if Bro. Eli did not exist, and these young people are not church goers, WHERE ARE THEY TODAY?

        That is the very reason why the Catholic Church do not attack/argue with them because the authorities of the Catholic church believe that they have SOME elements of TRUTH and they are partakers of the mission of evangelizing the poor in SPIRIT. SAD TO SAY, MOST OF THEIR TIME IS USED ATTACK THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN STEAD OF teaching them how to live life according to GOD’S ways.

  11. “Are you a priest or an authority of the Roman Catholic Church? If you are not, call your priests or cardinals, or even your pope, and I will defend my faith and prove to the entire world that the Roman Catholic Church is not the church established by the Lord Jesus Christ!”

    Yeah! Go Winnie, we’ll be waiting for their response and will invite many others esp catholics for everyone to know the truth.

    • Aisa,
      thanks for your reply, God bless you.
      I am not a priest,I am only an ordinary member of the church. However, we as a member of Christ body-the church its our responsibility to defend it to anyone.
      Bro Eli is not teaching you the truth. And now he knows that. Surely, I would like to debate him about his claim and teaching about Malachi1:11. Lets find out how brave he is, or how humble he is.
      God bless you.

      • Poor Winnie,

        If you’re not a priest then call your priest. If you have obliged to defend your faith then it goes that your priest is much more obliged to defend your faith. Why? Are you more knowledgable than your preist? Maybe they can justify their LIES better than you.So that your twisted explanation will become more twisted if they will come and justify their LIES.

  12. If someone would dare to debate with Bro. Eli about matters pertaining to faith, sure, you are most welcome! but be prepared to be put into shame. He was never been defeated by anyone and will never be.

    • Amaris,
      Bro Eli is a seasoned debater and really he is “good” at what he does. Yet, i’d
      seen his trickery he employs, each time he debates a Catholic he almost always go off topic or to a less important thing. If he can win in those peripherals then he will claim victory although the main topic is
      unresolved.
      At Revelation Television programme QA Bro Eli was completely Demolished by a protestant(Dr. O’Grady?) Poor bro Eli

      • @Winnie

        He was trying to show evidences on his claim. Since Revelation TV is not fair, he was not able to do so.

        As I was saying, claiming is another thing, proving is another thing. Evidence is an essential requirement to prove someones claim. If you get what I mean, well, i know you do.

        AND AS YOU SAID on March 12, 2012 at 2:48 pm on the other TOPIC (https://esoriano.wordpress.com/2012/02/24/the-truth-is-something-simple-meant-for-simple-minds/)

        QUOTE “Now, if he is not afraid and if you are concern about your soul ask you bro Eli to debate me on his claim regarding the prophecy in Malachi 1:11.” END OF QUOTE

        AND YOU SAID on March 10, 2012 at 11:35 pm in this TOPIC

        QUOTE “Bro Eli is not teaching you the truth. And now he knows that. Surely, I would like to debate him about his claim and teaching about Malachi1:11. Lets find out how brave he is, or how humble he is.” END OF QUOTE

        So which one is it? Do you want to debate him or do you want him to debate you? I believe you are the challenger, not Bro Eli.

        QUOTE “I challenge bro Eli to debate me on this topic. We could start it on his blog. It would be ideal as we could read it again and again. I know some ADD member, I actually working with someone and she knows that its very hard for me to travel. Otherwise I could come to your coordinating centre to debate him.” END OF QUOTE

        And YES you are making an excuse. If you care for our souls then you would do anything to let this event happen. Remember, our souls are concerned here. Would you delay this event just because its hard for you to travel? hmmm

        There is a saying that goes like this: “Kapag GUSTO maraming PARAAN, Kapag AYAW maraming DAHILAN.”

      • @Winnie

        In addition to that, TIME is an element required for such lengthy discussion. Bro Eli was not given that opportunity. By the way to talk, you are not fair and just.

        How about this for example, just for the sake of argument, we are discussing and you have let say at most 10 minutes to prove your claim about “Malachi 1:11” and while you are proving your claim I keep on BUTTING IN (interrupting) your statement. Would you be able to prove your claim in that situation? In only 10 minutes? You think that what I am doing to you is FAIR? I don’t think so.

        You don’t probably even know how an official debate works. Demolished? Nah..

        Simple. You are not fair and just.

      • Poor Winnie,

        Know how a real debate work. Revelation TV didn’t gave Bro Eli enough time to make a stand. I think you need to study how debate works poor winnie before you challenge Bro Eli into a debate, to lessen your humiliation a bit.

  13. whoa!!! these odan and winnie are really blind, because their leaders are blind…

    Mat_15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.

    i just hope that they will bring their leader and protect their faith… let us see if they can prove… and not them members who are trying hard to prove their false hope and faith…

  14. This blog is getting livelier! Mr. Eli Soriano is stretching his wings! Hehehe…. May I butt in please?

    Mr. Eli Soriano re-posted:

    [Winnie said that Odan Matig-a is right about what he posted:

    “Why? Is your faith with your Bro. Eli? The Catholics during the Roman Empire died for their faith in Christ and not for the apostles.”

    And Winnie’s analysis is this:

    “Odan Matig-a is right in the sense that, people should not be ready to die for wrong reason. If you die for the wrong faith, a man-made faith then that is not a good reason.”]

    Mr. Eli Soriano said:

    [So, as Winnie had analyzed, is dying for the apostles a wrong reason? Is that what you have understood in the post of OdanMatig-a? It’s either that you do not know how to read or you are not in the proper state of mind! I will not say I love you as you hypocritically say that to me! I pity you!]

    My (Odan) opinion:

    //Winnie’s reasoning is correct! You misunderstood Winnie when you asked; “is dying for the apostles a wrong reason?” You are way out of the premise Mr. Soriano! The premise is this;

    “Why? Is your faith with your Bro. Eli? The Catholics during the Roman Empire died for their faith in Christ and not for the apostles.”

    So, it is about you and the faith of your follower/followers and not about the apostles.

    The question came out because of this; I was asking one of your followers who wanted to die for your way of preaching which in a way for me is a kind of cultism because when I asked about what does your preaching mean to him (the follower) he cannot answer except saying; ask Bro. Eli during our bible exposition. Therefore he appreciates you as a preacher and not what you stood for.

    The early christians did not die for the apostles but they died primarily for their faith.//

    Mr. Eli Soriano said:

    [The first century Christians were taught to lay down their lives or “be ready to die” for their brethren.]

    He quoted:

    “I JOHN 3:16

    Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.”

    My (Odan) opinion:

    //The meaning of the quote above is; we must think and ponder in the love of God that he laid down his life for us. So if he laid down his life for us therefore we also must have faith in him. Does the following statement really urge us to lay down our lives for our brethren or for the faith in Christ?

    Remember this; when the epistles of John was written there were many christian brethrens that were persecuted by the authority of the Roman Empire because of their faith. The meaning of that verse is to imitate the lives of the brethrens who died for their faith. Because if it’s for the brethrens alone; what’s the reason? That’s what Winnie was trying to mean.//

    Mr. Eli Soriano re-posted:

    [Let us review.

    Odan Matig-a said:

    “The Catholics during the Roman Empire died for their faith in Christ and not for the apostles.” “…and not for the apostles.” (Emphasis mine.)

    You (Mr. Eli Soriano) asked:

    [Winnie, can you not perceive what is wrong in what OdanMatig-a said?]

    My (Odan) opinion:

    //I think it’s your perception that is wronged and Winnie’s is right… because the reasoning of Winnie is this; “Odan Matig-a is right in the sense that, people should not be ready to die for wrong reason. If you die for the wrong faith, a man-made faith then that is not a good reason.”

    In the first place you are quoting me out of context Mr. Soriano by deleting the statement that said; “Why? Is your faith with your Bro. Eli?” You are using a squid tactic by diverting the issue to the apostles… instead the issue is you and the faith you are preaching. Winnie’s reasoning said that; “people should not be ready to die for wrong reason.” He understood my idea that your followers are ready to die for you which is wronged in the perception of Winnie.//

    Mr. Eli Soriano said:

    [By saying he is right, aren’t you implying that the apostles were wrong in their teaching that a Christian must be ready to lay their lives for a brother?]

    My (Odan) opinion:

    //Winnie saying that I am right is not implying at all that the apostles were wronged instead he is implying about you as the wrong person teaching the wrong religion.//

    Mr. Eli Soriano re-posted:

    You (Winnie) said:

    [“I myself could defend Bro Eli Soriano if his life is in danger, if somebody wants to kill him, then I am obliged to help. However, I will not do it because of the faith he is peddling.”]

    [That was what you posted. The truth is, it is very unnecessary for you to die for me! Thank you anyway for your concern. But the Lord Jesus Christ had died – already -for all of the faithful, including me. And mind you, I am not peddling faith like your Catholic priests do! In our faith, we do not sell baptisms, marriage ceremonies, indulgences and whatever church services!]

    My (Odan) opinion:

    The Catholic Church is not peddling baptism, marriage ceremony, indulgences and any church service. Any amount paid is treated as donation. That is what I understand. In your church I believe it is the same with us but you can demand a specified amount of 1 thousand pesos or more. I witnessed you demanding a specified amount of P1,000.00 to each of the member of your church live on TV.

    And he quoted:

    MATTHEW 10:7-8

    [7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.]

    My (Odan) opinion:

    Jesus told his apostles to preach the good news of the kingdom. Now, when Winnie said that your teaching is a man-made faith and it does not come from the apostles; he (Winnie) is correct! Why? Because your church is not the original. It just come out in the 1970’s! Tell me where is the original and please explain to Winnie how did it happen that your church is the original church?

    Quote:

    [8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.]

    My (Odan) opinion:

    This is very well folowed by the Catholic Church with its hospitals and leprosaria all over the world. The poor people are treated free and without money involve in these hospitals.

    Mr. Eli Soriano said:

    [I had been quoting you to the dots, spacing, punctuation, and all – no changes. Aren’t you asking or haven’t you prejudged that I cannot defend my faith? Are you a priest or an authority of the Roman Catholic Church? If you are not, call your priests or cardinals, or even your pope, and I will defend my faith and prove to the entire world that the Roman Catholic Church is not the church established by the Lord Jesus Christ!]

    My (Odan) opinion:

    This is good Mr. Soriano! I for one would like also to hear you defending the genuineness of your church. Every Filipino following the religious issues in the Philippines knows that your church just sprouted in the 1970’s. It is much much better if you defend your faith in the internet so that the whole world can read and understand your reasoning. I think Fr. Abe Arganiosa CRS, is the best that I can think of to argue against you in the net. I would request your followers to make arrangement with Fr. Abe so that the debate in the net will be realized.

    We will make this a resolution:

    “Resolve that the true church of Christ is the MCGI”

    Thank You!

    • hi..about the last part of your comment…he did not claim that MCGI is the true church.. I’ve watched his programs, I’ve even asked him directly, he never claimed it to be the true church…he CLEAVED to the Church of God in the Bible, that’s why they call themselves Members of the Church of God International, international because there are members from others countries..he had explained it so many times, he told everyone that the Church of God was established even before we are born, he did not just created it, he CLEAVED to that Church…you should watch his programs every now & then and attend expos & indoctrination.

      • Greizc,
        plain and simple, bro Eli admits that his MCGI is not original hence, its fake. An imitation always fall short compared to the original one.

        I watched his arguments for MCGI, He likened it to student who wants to learn alternative medicine and the student need not to go to university, instead he can do it online by enrolling to open university.
        He also made another analogy as if the Bible/Gospel is a house plan. So he argued that, if you have the house plan then you can make exactly like the original.

        It sounds clever but its not biblical. Nowhere in the entire scripture that by mere reading the Bible then you could make yourself a member of God’s Church he himself founded.
        Your imitation church remains an imitation until you are received by the origunal Church of God.

        Bro Eli, like in his analogy, he built his OWN church taking the Bible as if a manual to make a church. He made one and then blames God for its existence,which is a fable or a myth.

      • Hi Winnie,

        ..of course MCGI isn’t the original…do u know the meaning of the word CLEAVED? the members CLEAVED to the Church of God in the Bible…that’s how they become members,if you’re saying that Bro.Eli built his own Church…then that is not far from what Constantine did…he built the Roman Catholic Church! duh…

    • I’m sorry Mr Odan but if you really want Bro Eli to what you said defend his Church, it cannot be done through net due to the fact that not all or not even 50% of the people are literate and net users. If you are really into defending the truth and making the truth known to EVERYONE, you wouldnt even thought of suggesting this. Bro Eli is always ready and have even asked you(your church) for a debate. Now, let’s see, let’s see if you are just the same as Manalo of INC who until now have not faced Bro Eli in a debate yet.

    • @ Odan Matig-a,

      Hi Odan, truly the birds with same feather flock together, no wonder you agree with Winnie and Winnie to you. Just the same for the followers of Lord Jesus Christ, the members of Church of god (MCGI), they have one Spirit and they so flock together.

      Every member of MCGI already knew how Catholic Church misled people. And they understand how Bro. Eli lead us to the truth. So if its hard for you to accept that we can give our life to Bro. Eli for Biblical reasons, it is your problem Odan. No one compel you to agree.

      Have not Bro. Eli already made his stand regarding the church. For every Bible Exposition he hosted, there is always one inquirer asking about the church, he’s stand change not. And I wonder why you heard not all of these for very long time of following him? Are you not doing your job very well Odan, that your father gave to you? Have you forgot or read not how your beloved holy reverend Abe A. replied to when an ADD defender ask him to debate with Bro. Eli, he said he wanted to debate Bro. Eli ‘face to face” that a webcam or via internet debate” is cheap. According to him also, all formal debate is face to face and he may not know that somebody behind Bro. Eli will teach him what to say. Yes, he is afraid of that “Someone” who taught Bro. Eli how to speak and what to say. Do you know that Odan, whose that “ONE”?

      Tsk Tsk Tsk…What a coward reply from your beloved priest Odan. To avoid a debate, he wanted to see Bro. Eli face to face, which we will also allowed not, as we all know that his life is threatened by his detractors. Yes, even that fat priest would like to see Bro. Eli dead. And the reason is very bright as the sun, just like other religious denomination who wanted him to be stopped. There is a lot of means to prove your argument Odan, our dispensation is full of high technology to materialize your request, just have balls to bring it on.

      Do I need to put the links Odan?? Do your homework.

    • @Odan

      “The Catholic Church is not peddling baptism, marriage ceremony, indulgences and any church service. Any amount paid is treated as DONATION. ”

      – This made my day! DONATION?

      Matthew 10:8
      Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: FREELY ye have RECEIVED, FREELY GIVE.

      2 Corinthians 9:7
      Every man ACCORDING AS HE PURPOSETH IN HIS HEART, so LET HIM GIVE; NOT GRUDGINGLY, OR OF NECESSITY: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

      – Donation is not the case. I have known a lot of catholics who cannot afford to be married at the catholic church because they can’t afford to give such DONATION. Im a witness of catholics asking for DONATIONS just from anybody they knew (even from different religions). That act is contrary to what the apostles did.

      • Exactly! Open your eyes, mind and heart Odan, I was once a Catholic, we both knew that every single transaction with Catholic Church has a corresponding fee, even prayer requests before or after Catholic mass, come on! It’s pretty obvious that because you were deceived, you don’t know how to discern the truth even if it’s infront of your very face. Poor thing! tsk tsk tsk…

        I am grateful to God that He sent His messenger, Bro. Eli to speak His truth in the Bible so that many will be saved. To God be the glory forever!

    • Poor Odan Said :
      The Catholic Church is not peddling baptism, marriage ceremony, indulgences and any church service. Any amount paid is treated as donation

      Bambi says:

      Yeah you’re right the larger the donation the more GRANDIOSO the batism, marriage ceremony, indulgences and any church service. But if you have nothing to give you get the tinest service you can get.

      Santiago 2:9 Datapuwa’t kung kayo’y nagtatangi ng mga tao, ay nangagkakasala kayo, at kayo’y hinahatulan ng kautusan na gaya ng mga suwail.

      James 2:9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors

      Yes Poor Odan you would agree with Poor Winnie and Like wise with Poor Winnie because if not you’re admitting that Bro Eli is correct and that will be disaster for both of you. Such a long post Poor Odan to Justify your LIES. Call your most reverend priest and see how your LIES fall.

  15. “What kind of father are they?”
    ~ I think this verse represent what kind of father they are… John 8:44….

  16. There is nothing wrong if I die for the preachers sent by God who preach the truth unto salvation.

    Mark 8:35
    For whoever will save his life, shall lose it; but whoever shall lose his life for My sake and the gospel’s, the same shall save it.

    • Beiruth says:

      March 3, 2012 at 3:11 am

      [There is nothing wrong if I die for the preachers sent by God who preach the truth unto salvation.]

      Reply:

      If you die for a preacher then you are a cultist and a fanatic. If he [Mr. Eli Soriano] was sent by God he must have a message coming from God. For example is; he must have written a book that is a revelation to him from God… like Moses and St. Paul. He was born in 1947 and his messages are not coming from God but by his own interpretation of the bible. The bible has its interpretation since 2,000 years ago by the Catholic Church because the rightful owner of the bible is not ADD or MCGI but the Catholic Church.

      Beiruth cite… Mark 8:35:

      [For whoever will save his life, shall lose it; but whoever shall lose his life for My sake and the gospel’s, the same shall save it.]

      Reply:

      This message is not from Mr. Eli Soriano but from the gospel of Mark. The disciple Mark is not an apostle but the interpreter of St. Peter. If he is an interpreter then Mark must be greek or a hellenist therfore he must be a catholic. How can you claim the verse in Mark 8:35 as yours when you and the members of MCGI despise the Catholic Church as a false religion? Please answer!

      • @ Odan Matig-a,

        Please have time to hear Bro. Eli sometimes in a manner you are listening and looking for the truth, just like we did. You are very misled Odan. You interpreted the Scripture by your own as your Catholic Church interpreted it 2000 years ago. The more you talk about the Scripture, the more mistake you made. Analyze not by your own Odan. God had sent someone to deliver the message to us for able us to understand. Do not be so outrageous with Bro. Eli, try to meditate sometimes. Ignorance of the Scripture is still pardonable as Bro. Eli is always say.

        Our life is too short. You are wasting your time in defending your Catholic faith.

      • Poor Odan. so confused.

        “If he [Mr. Eli Soriano] was sent by God he must have a message coming from God. For example is; he must have written a book that is a revelation to him from God… like Moses and St. Paul.”

        Did St. Stephen wrote a book? Did Thomas wrote a book? Perhaps they did, as writing is already in existent during their tie, though we don’t have copies of those, if ever they really did exist.

        Did Enoc wrote a book? No archaeologist would argue that a system of writing was already in existent during Enoc’s time, as he was 7th from Adam. As a matter of fact, Moses wrote the book of Genesis.

        So Enoc was not GOD-sent? Odan is eating his own dust.

  17. Poor is she who still embraces faulty Catholic faith! Just by reading the articles here, a vast difference between the church preached by Bro. Eli and the Roman Catholic can be noticed! Can’t Winnie see that ADD members have a preacher that never blink an eye to defend the right faith? I wonder if Winnie can call her friars to defend theirs.

    • Jeffrey,
      Sorry, my name is Winnie, yet I am a father of 4 kids. My name is unisex and sometimes people thought that I am a she.

      Anyway, Jeffrey what made you think bro Eli is right? Do you think or believe that he is always right? Can never make any single mistake?is he infallable?or impecable?

      At this point I don’t think I need to call to call somebody yet to defend my faith. In fact I encourage you to learn about yoyr faith in the light of historical facts and not fictions. If your Church has no historical foundation its very likely that It is a myth or a fables. Bro Eli is flip-plopping about his church origin. Sometimes when asked, He answer them, from Jerusalem, yet on one occasion he admitted that its an imitation.
      He is not sure if the first century church was apostazised completly, or there were remnants or whatever.
      He said in his biography that he is already a member of the church of God after he was baptized in Nicolas Perez church. Yet, he made/ founded his own church ad he failed to get to the top. Now, you should ask Bro Eli these questions; Is Nicolas Perez church the same as the church of God of bro Eli? If so why does it need to be registered twice? If Nicolas Perez Church of God is the same Church of God in the Bible( not the what it is called) and now, headed by Gugulan,does it mean that the gates of hell prevailed against it? Would you mind to ask as well that ,your Church being named MCGI, “members” what does it mean? Is there any other members of church of God that you recognized as exactly the same church in terms of doctrines? And if you are indeed members, then to which oerson bro Eli went to apply his membership?

      Yes, too many question but they are related I hope that you will get an answer better than I do, because I tried but I can’t.

      • he did not claim that MCGI is the true church.. I’ve watched his programs, I’ve even asked him directly, he never claimed it to be the true church…he CLEAVED to the Church of God in the Bible, that’s why they call themselves Members of the Church of God International, international because there are members from others countries..he had explained it so many times, he told everyone that the Church of God was established even before we are all born, he did not just created it, he CLEAVED to that Church…regarding the Church of God led by the Late Perez, they left it for biblical reason that a woman should not be a leader…you should watch his programs every now & then and attend expos & indoctrination…I have friends from MCGI & they are way too different from other people I’ve known my entire life…

      • I wonder how much is Winnie’s “I tried”? If there is a most queried preacher in the world, no surprise if Bro. Eli is the first. Even after death (hopefully not), he’s still able to answer questions.

        And if there’s one question I would love to ask Bro. Eli, it is, “How are you, Bro. Eli? Hope you’re doing fine!” But about the church history, about the late Bro. Perez…never! No need to ask something that is as bright as the sun.

        About the pronoun “she,” I hate to sound very pedantic but just so Winnie know. I already thought that the name Winnie is unisex and that made me choose a pronoun for an anonymous gender. She is more appropriate for a guy who doesn’t have the balls in exposing himself out of the shadow. Am not an anti-feminist but that’s what the Bible calls. Being a father of four kids, or even a dozen, doesn’t make a man a true man.

        Too bad Winnie seems to underestimate readers here. No matter how she beats around the bush, it goes without saying she cannot drag her sleeping friar!

      • @Winnie, dami mo’ng paliwanag…the question is, if you’re Catholic Church is the true church, bakit puro saliwa sa Biblia ang mga itinuturo ng mga pari? Kung talagang mga Katoliko ang gumawa ng Biblia just like what you and Odan claims…bakit hindi kayo tinuruan ng mga pari n’yo na sundin ang mga nakasulat dito? Your argument doesn’t have any basis and even if you quoted the whole verses in the Bible to support your claims, it will still be in vain, you know why? Because, you depend your answers based on your own understanding. Time for you and Odan to humble yourselves and ask God for wisdom to discern which is the truth and which is not. Ang masakit, paano kung hindi na talaga kayo bibigyan ng Diyos ng pagkakataong maunawaan ang kadakilaan N’ya dahil sa tigas ng inyong mga puso? Please sought God’s help before it’s too late

  18. The articles written in this blogsite are preserved and are always available for the public to read and re-read in the future. It is just a matter of skills in searching when and where an article can be found. I can say that brother Eli has laid the foundation of what he preached accurately with the bible as his basis.

  19. i want to ask bro Eli about the one oneness of God when according to you Jesus is not equal with the Father. If Jesus is a God then what is Jesus and the father is they be two Gods?IF God is two then he is not God.

    • I pity you for not given the gift of understanding about the God the Father and His son Jesus Christ! Just keep on listening to and reading the blogs of Bro. Eli, surely you’ll be enlightened.

      Where did you get the idea of having two Gods (the Father And the Son), makes them untrue? If that is your way of thinking, consider yourself and your father, are you both human?, If your father is human, what should you be? You may not be human, if you cannot accept that you will be the same with your father.

      So don’t be fool about it. Think of this, why is it that satan believe that Jesus is a God, and many people can’t? Will you be worst than satan?

    • John 14:28
      Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my FATHER IS GREATER THAN I.

      *The quoted verse above shows that God the Father is greater than the son (so they cannot be equal)

      *Paul said to the Church of God in Corinth and shows the heirarchy of authorities.

      1 Corinthians 11:3
      But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the HEAD OF GOD IS CHRIST.

      *Now brother, do not be confused. The Word was God as mentioned in

      John 1:1
      In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

      …and we all know that the Word was Jesus

      John 1:14
      And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

      ***May God enlighten you, brother. Please watch ‘Itanong mo Kay Soriano’ program in UNTV. There are a lot of things about our God to know and these will be made known if you listen.🙂 May God bless you.

      John 8:47
      He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

      • I am sorry, I misquoted 1 Corinthians 11:3

        “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the HEAD OF CHRIST is GOD.”

    • winnie, He ‘himself’ really misunderstoods the real meaning of “hyperbole on the bible” he’s talking about.

      • Gil,
        please explain why do you think I don’t understand the hyperbole in the Bible. I want to learn from you,is that ok?

      • @winnie your always invited including your family and friends to watch all Bible Exposition hosted by Brother Eli … @ Winnie you can inquire the schedule at UNTV channel the schedule is posted there …. and if you can read this i hope you will March 30,2011 will be the updated schedule

      • sorry @WinniE… i should say MARCH 30,2012 AT 6:00 pm and that will be Friday … please if you can ask feel free to do it because i know you want answer and truth and afterwards look for priest of roman catholic and compare the answer of Brother Eli and your catholic priest

      • Heaven’s Knight and Bambipati,
        Your argument and you questions implies confusions. The priests are not our biological fathers yet they are physical being. They are however our spiritual fathers in the same way as Saint Paul became a FATHER through the GOSPEL.
        So, it is clear that even a literally physical being like in the case of St. Paul he became a FATHER. And because St. Paul wasn’t their biological/ physical FATHER then it follows that it is SPIRITUAL!!! Why? Because it is THROUGH the Gospel!!!

        I believe this will settle the issue, besides you cannot refute my previous explanations, you just ignored it altogether. The same thing what you Bro Eli did, instead he went to discuss non doctrinal issue to save his face.

        Let me present my argument again and I hope that you bro Eli is brave enough to take CHALLENGE.

        When Jesus said, “call no man you father on earth” this is an example of hyperbole, the same figure of speech he used in Luke 14:23 wherein Christ said that we should hate our immediate family and even ourselves.

        If we to follow Bro Eli’s reasoning we will be twisting the truth and complicating those simple truths, why? Because we will end up hating our love ones in either physically/ literaly or spiritually. We also have to condem St. Paul who called HIMSELF “FATHER” which he received from Christ through the Gospel.

  20. I did that too ,but i’ve got different results than you have can you give me a sound explanation in regards with this … .

  21. The Bible is full of the use of figure of speech and one of them is hyperbole. Matthew 23:7-8 is one good example. Another good example is Luke 14:26 wherein if we take it Iiterally word for word then we will missed the true meaning of it. Lets read it,

    “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his FATHER and mother and wife and brothers and sisters,yes and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.”

    Did Jesus commands us to hate our LOVE ONES? Definitely not! What he means literally is, to love him first and above anyone or anything. He used hyperbole like in Matthew 23:7-9. If Christ didn’t mean literally hating our love ones, did he meant spiritually? That is the logic of Bro. Eli. If we follow his wrong interpretation, then we end up hating our love ones SPIRITUALLY!

    Christ did not contradicted himself,the apostles understood him well. Bro Eli is confused.

    Remember, God is not the author of confusion.
    May God enlighten you, for your souls.

    • It is true that Christ neither contradict Himself, nor the apostles contradict Christ. Only anti-Christ contradict Christ; and that is why Catholic priests commanded their members to call themselves Father.

      Not only that, popes are exalted as “The Most Holy Father” more than the Father in heaven! (And that is not a hyperbole).

      • Heaven’s knight,
        please give substance to your stand, otherwise its useless.
        God bless you, may you truly become a heaven’s knight brother.

  22. @Winnie

    Our faith is true. Our faith is with the true Church. Your asking for proof of our faith is like asking for proof of gravity. Proving what’s already crystal clear and explaining the obvious truth is unnecessary! We all agree that Chist is the head of the Church. Our faith is in Christ and His Church. If you get the logic, it then follows that MCGI is not an entirely new church like what you misunderstood before! That’s why questioning our faith is like questioning Christ Himself. Can’t you get it yet? Bro. Eli is not trying to prove anything from the beginning because what he says are already ABSOLUTE truths! They’re all written! If your catholic church doesn’t align with these absolute truths from the Bible then that’s not our problem. And if you still insist Bro. Eli to give you proof, accept the challenge and he will “prove to the entire world that the Roman Catholic Church is not the church established by the Lord Jesus Christ!” Plain and simple. If you’re confused, you musn’t forget that this debate isn’t about our Church vs. your church, it’s about our Faith vs. your faith. Whose Faith do you think aligns with the Word of God?

    P.S you are indeed mixed up. i’ve witnessed in your comments how confused you are regarding the title “father”. Read the verses again and again and pray until you get it. The “father” title is prohibited if used SPIRITUALLY on a human (“call no man your father upon the EARTH”, malinaw na spiritual yan at yung “father” dyan has a transcended meaning dahil kung literal yan hindi na dapat nabanggit yung “upon the earth”. naiintindihan mo na ba?) If used in a literal or physical sense naman, then it is not prohibited to call a human a “father” (of the flesh) as written in HEBREWS 12:9. Parang ganito yan, yung taong nag- alaga at pisikal na nagpalaki sayo simula pagkabata, natural lang na matawag mo siya na “father” o ama mo sa mundong ito, unlike your catholic priests. If you say that the title “father” is only used on your priests in a literal/physical sense then, it should have no problem if i were to call them “daddy” or “tatay” as well, since they are synonymous. hahaha If you think that’s disrespect to your “most holy father”, so, clearly you must’ve been addressing them spiritually! and that’s against the Lord’s commandment! If you address your pope as neither literal nor spiritual father, then what kind of father are they??? If you say “semi-spiritual” I’ll slap you.

    P.P.S. bago ka umatake muli, defend yourself first! Acknowledge our blows, acknowledge our efforts! We gave a thorough explanation, now it’s your turn to at least explain yourself on the current topic (since you evaded our previous queries) why do catholics call their pope the “most holy father”? Remember, HUMAN EXCUSES are not allowed. We demand that your responses be under BIBLICAL AUTHORITY! it’s about time you give us a SENSIBLE explanation! and not your usual BABBLE! please!

    This looooong post is to help you absorb the truth. I had the details broken down for you. you just need to READ (i hope you know how to) and DIGEST it. or gusto mo magtagalog nalang tayo (or whatever your native tongue is) in our next posts kung nahihirapan ka pa rin intindihin?

    • Lito,
      I already explained that the figure of speech Jesus used in Matthew 23:8-9 is hyperbole. Please know the meaning of hyperbole. Its origin is Greek, which simply means to “exagerate”, not be taken literally. Now in Matthew 23:8-9, if you take Jesus words literally, then you will end up not calling a father a father,nor a teacher a teacher. In Truth,we should not take Jesus word literally as if he is forbiding us to call titles(father,teacher,master),rather get the true meaning of what we wants to convey.
      Like in my earlier comments,If we take Jesus words and understand it literally and not see it as a hyperbole. Then you will end up with a messed up interpretation of the word of God. When Christ said, in Luke 14:26,” Whoever comes to me and does not hate his father, and mother,wife,,and children,brothers,and sisters,yes even his own life itself cannot be my disciple.”
      Do Christ demands us Christians to hate our parents,close relatives,and even ourselves literally? If not, is it spiritually? The TRUTH is, NO! He doesn’t demand us to hate anyone, he even demands us to love our enemies. The simple truth is there is no commandment of literaly or spiritually hating our parents, children, brothers,and sisters or ourselves. Try it if you want but will not. Christ Jesus simply means that he should always be first, and the most important person in our lives, and more important than anything.
      The same figure of speech used by Jesus in Matthew 23:7-9, He didn’t mean to prohibit calling somebody father or teacher in either literal or spiritual sense for these titles were both used in the OT and NT to people who received the gift of becoming a father.(literal or spiritual)

      • ..but never did he command anyone to call those fathers “FATHER”! he forbade it! even other religions can prove it! what’s wrong with you? tsk…

    • Amen! Very well explained. Unfortunately for Winnie and Odan who already closed their minds and heart, even simple logic cannot be understood. Hopefully, it’s not yet too late for them.

  23. After saying she cannot find the post of Bro. Eli related to Malachi 1:11, Winnie then celebrated her foolishness. Maybe, a little bit of help can give her a bite of cold water to her confused state. Below is the link proving that Bro. Eli didn’t remove his postings related to his belief in Malachi 1:11.

    https://esoriano.wordpress.com/2012/02/page/4/

    (What a failed attack of Winnie.)

    And to help Winnie see the questions she didn’t see (or perhaps, didn’t want to see), a re-post of Bro. Eli’s question is worth reminding.

    If it is not a literal prohibition to call humans father, then it must be spiritual! If used to a literal or physical father it is not prohibited to call him “father,” but as your explanation implied, aren’t Catholic priests and popes literal and physical “father”?

    What kind of father are they?

      • Poor Winnie,

        Take it easy. LOL…It’s just a reminder from heavensknight.For your question what kind of father are they? Father fatheran (tatay tatayan) kasi di mo naman sila literal na tatay eh. Here is the question if they(priest) are not your literal or biological father then what are they? Ikaw naman ka-simple eh.

      • You haven’t yet refuted a single argument of Bro. Eli. Please answer the question, what kind of father are the priest – are they literal or spiritual father?

  24. This only goes to show that Bro. Eli is not teaching something that came from him. This is truly the teaching of Christ and that this teaching does not involve the hypocrisies that I see in the world especially in religion. Truly we can thank God for letting us know His truth through His preacher. After all of this we can only say. Thank be to God.

  25. i can’t wait for the judgment day to come! that’s the only time we’re gonna prove who’s right & who’s wrong!

  26. Biblically speaking, Brother Eli pointed out a very clear argument to the very context of the topic “comments from a reader wanting to die for me”. He even cited verses from the Bible which satiates the understanding of those with common sense but definitely unbearable for those who are ignoramus fanatic. In fact, as I remember, he even taught us that Epaphroditus was nearly died, risking his life to complete the lacking of the Philippians towards their service to the needs of Apostle Paul [Php. 2:25-30, 1Cor.9:1-2]. On the other hand, Roman Catholic Church is an advocate tyranny, forged to the tradition of Catholicism and pagan/idol worship. They slaughtered people who are against to their heretic faith, their so called HOLY INQUISITION. Holy whaaat? What a crap?

    Winnie is really mixed-up! He cannot even comprehend the distinction between carnal and spiritual [Jn.6:63; 1Cor.3:1]. Undoubtedly, Rizal knows more of so-called spiritual father than Winnie (per Rizal’s letter to the young women of Malolos dated February 1889).

    (According to Odan Matig-a):
    The Catholic Church is not peddling baptism, marriage ceremony, indulgences and any church service. Any amount paid is treated as donation. That is what I understand.

    (Bernardf from .my said):
    Then your understanding is wrong! You need to tell that to the marines. Are you far better than Dr. Jose Rizal (in his letter to the young women of Malolos) when he castigated the Catholic parish priest from their money making religious scheme?

    (According to Odan Matig-a):
    We will make this a resolution:
    “Resolve that the true church of Christ is the MCGI”

    (Bernardf from .my said):
    This is great! It is much preferable if it is going to be in a live telecast TV broadcast for everyone to see and hear [Rom. 10:17; Act 17:17-18]. Our leader Brother Eli will going to have a “live Television debate” to your Catholic Church Fathers (you can include your Pope as well). Since that is your resolution, hence on your part as Catholic, you have to prove that the Roman Catholic Church is the true church of Christ according to the Bible. And on our part, we will prove that ours is the true church, the church of God according to the Bible.

    That’s all folks!🙂

    • Bernardf,
      Bro, let me ask you, do you understand what you are accusing against the Catholic church? Remember also that Rizal at some point was a mason,yet, when he was about to be executed he came back to the church . He repented and received the sacraments.

      • Poor Winnie,

        Wow it is like you’re there when it happened. Have you read the novels that Rizal made? They are story but truth lies in it. Who are the reason behind why Rizal is being executed?

      • Winnie, I’m not accusing the Catholic church. What I am just telling you is a historical fact that had happened concerning Catholic’s Holy Inquisition. I supposed you are the one who is making an allegation because your opinion regarding Rizal’s retraction is up to now a controversy, a “Retraction Controversy”.

        I am leaving you an excerpt (english rendition) from Rizal’s letter to the young women of Malolos for you to think about. . .

        “True piety is obedience to what is right, happen what may. “Deeds and not words are what I ask of you”, said Christ. “He is not the son of my father, my father, but her who lives according to the will of the father.” Piety does not consist in a worn-out nose nor in Christ’s successor known for giving his hand to be kissed. He did not fatten the rich and proud scribes. He did not mention scapulars, he did not require the wearing of rosaries, he did not ask money for Masses, and he did not charge for saying prayers. St. John did not ask to be paid for baptizing on the Jordan River nor Christ for preaching. Why is it that now priests ask to be paid for every move they make? And still hungry, they sell scapulars, rosaries, belts, and other things to entice money and to hurt the soul; because even if you wear a scapular all the rags on earth, wear as rosaries all the wood in the forests, gird around your waist all the skin of animals and over all of them all the priests in the world take pains to make the sign of the cross and to murmur prayers, and sprinkle them with all the water of the sea, they cannot cleanse the dirty heart, they cannot absolve the unrepentant of sins. Likewise, for their covetousness they forbid many things, such as eating meat, marrying one’s cousin, compadre, and the like, which however are permitted if one pays. Why, can God be bought and is He dazzled by money like the priests? The thief who pays for a bull for composition can rest assured that he has been forgiven. Therefore, God wants to partake of stolen goods? Is it true that God is so needy that He imitates the carabineer or the civil guard? If this is the God that the friars worship, I turn my back to such a God.”

        [And this is Rizal’s faith when he already wrote the Noli Me Tangere. . .]

        “Let us be reasonable and open our eyes, especially you women, because you are the ones who open the minds of men. Consider that a good mother is different from the one created by the friars. Raise your children close to the image of the true God – the God who cannot be bribed, the God who is not avaricious, the God who is the father of all, who is not partial, the God who does not fatten on the blood of the poor, who does not rejoice at the plaint of the afflicted, and does not obfuscate the intelligent mind. . . .

        . . .God will help us to dispel the mist for He is the God of Truth; and the former brilliance of the Filipino woman will be restored undiminished. She lacks nothing but a free mind, for she had an excess of goodness. . .”

        [Historical Fact: Catholic faith does kill – this is Rizal’s belief when he is about to be executed, an excerpt (english rendition) from his last poem “Mi Ultimo Adios”. . .]

        “My idolized Country, for whom I most gravely pine,
        Dear Philippines, to my last goodbye, oh, harken
        There I leave all: my parents, loves of mine,
        I’ll go where there are no slaves, tyrants or hangmen
        Where faith does not kill and where God alone does reign.

        Farewell, parents, brothers, beloved by me,
        Friends of my childhood, in the home distressed;
        Give thanks that now I rest from the wearisome day;
        Farewell, sweet stranger, my friend, who brightened my way;
        Farewell, to all I love. To die is to rest.”

        That’s all folks!🙂

      • @ winnie Dr. Rizal already turned away from all the teaching of catholics as we can see to his official writtings …. are you degrading the dignity and honour of our national hero and your implying that Dr. Jose Rizal eats what he says and you declaring that he do not mean what he already says and believe how poor and silly you modify our national hero…. i wonder if any foreigner in any part of the globe read your statement here how shameful it is

      • According to history, friars forced Rizal to retract since it will post a fatal blow in the Catholic Church had it be known to all Filipino people that even Rizal oppose their teachings especially the money-making ceremonies like, baptism, prayer requests, etc.

  27. @winnie you are invited in all Bible Exposition hosted by Brother Eli …. i hope you can ask question to Bro Eli and afterwards ask your catholic priest and compare it…. thank you and may God Be with us all always

  28. Are you people ever aware that the Bible that you put so much pride on in bashing the Catholic Church would never even exist without the Catholic Church? YES! We arranged it according to the arrangement you know now. If it weren’t for bishops in the Council of Hippo (393-97 AD), the canon of scripture (the list of books found in the Bible as you know it today) would not exist? Heck, much more than that, if it weren’t for the monks who, for 1500 years before the first ever printing press came about, laboreously hand-copied the Latin Vulgate, the first ever bible (which took an entire lifetime to do), the bible wouldn’t be with us? The Catholic Church arranged the Bible, more than that, SHE PROTECTED THE BIBLE!

    The Catholic Church protected the Bible from fires, Heretics, Thieves and even protected its words and translation. If you research about “The Dead Sea Scrolls”, (original texts which contained Old Testament books like Isiah), they were ALMOST EXTREMELY ACCURATE with the hand-copied books of the monks which were thousands of years apart from the Original Text.

    If you say so, that the Catholic Church is infected by the Demon, then, is the Bible which is a product of the Catholic Church also the work of the Demon? If the last sentence was true…

    Probably your whole life is a lie.

    My post is backed by historical evidence. You cannot deny what the Catholic Church did for the bible you use today.

    When Jesus left the earth, He didn’t drop pages of papyrus written in ink with an NIV sticker on it. He left us a Church, governed by Peter and the disciples, which as Historical, archaeological and cultural evidence teaches us, IS STILL THE SAME HOLY CATHOLIC AND APOSTOLIC CHURCH OF TODAY.

    Pax Domine Sit Semper Vobiscum.

    • Hi Laudamus_te,

      Welcome to Bro. Eli’g blog and thank you on your comment. May I respond to your claim in this way: Granting without accepting that your catholic church arranged the Bible we are using today, let me thank the GOD Almighty as ultimate keeper of these writings. Do you still have problem on that? Anyway since you are claiming it so badly, may I suggest you also read the Bible and compare it your holy apostolic catholic church doctrines, then you assess if you really follow those written in the Bible to be called true Christian. I am pretty sure that historical, archaeological and cultural evidences wll teaches you to discern the truth from false doctrines. Good day to you and please keep on reading Bro. Eli’s blog and we invited you as well to attend the upcoming Mass Indoctrination on April 16, 2012 in all ADD Coordinating Centers. Please have time to hear the doctrines and compare to yours.

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