The Gates of Hell Shall Not Prevail Against It


Words written or spoken express something physical or spiritual, but they are realities. Words of God create or cause the existence of things.

GENESIS 1:3 (KJV)

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Words called nouns or names came to use to describe the nature or character of something that exists physically and spiritually.

GEN 2:19 (KJV)

And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

Sometimes words or names are mere inventions of undisciplined human minds to express some make-believe things or fables.

TITUS 1:14 (KJV)

Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.

ECCLESIASTES 7:29 (KJV)

Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

After creating humans, God created an entity out of humans, which He called the Church.

EPHESIANS 2:10 (KJV)

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

The word “we” refers to the Church to whom the Apostle Paul was writing his epistle. What constitute the Church created by God in Christ Jesus?

I CORINTHIANS 12:28 (KJV)

And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

The composition of the true Church came from God, the persons, the offices, and their functions are all God ordained. The words or names that describe the person that comprise the Church came from God, like the words apostles, prophets, and teachers. This is the Church established or created by the Lord! This is the true Church, the recipient of the promise and guarantee of the Creator that “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it”!

MATTHEW 16:18 (KJV)

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Is this the Catholic Church? Let us study the evidential facts and figures from the scriptures!

 

THE OFFICE AND PERSON OF THE POPE, LEADER OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, IS NOT BIBLICAL!

The word “pope” according to Catholic authorities means, “father”.

Although Catholic authorities say that Peter was the first pope, no records in history, in archaeology or in the Bible will prove that Peter was once a pope! The apostles, including Peter were prohibited by the Lord Jesus Christ to use the title “father” or “teacher”.

MATTHEW 23:8-9 (KJV)

But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren. And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Arguments to the contrary based on illogical reasoning and distorted personal opinions are passed off as truth by the Catholics but the final authority is the word of God, which never said that there has been such an office in the true Church.

The truth of the matter is that the Catholic Church invented the word “pope” only in the 11th century many hundreds of years after the death of the apostles. Allegedly, the pope is the recipient of the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven being handed down from one pope to another in an undisturbed or unbroken succession! Is that reality or just mere fantasy???

108 thoughts on “The Gates of Hell Shall Not Prevail Against It

  1. This article is very informative and very real. As I started to read the first line it encourages me to read more and eventually finish it. I can imagine every word for I believe that the word of God is true… It exist whether physically or spiritually… And the Church is real and every offices therein… And the conspiracy that the Papal position in the Catholic Church is never bEen disturbed is such a distorted and brain washing idea.

  2. “Allegedly, the pope is the recipient of the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven being handed down from one pope to another in an undisturbed or unbroken succession! Is that reality or just mere fantasy???”

    of course is a fantasy and pity to those who are fantasized……

    • ksb says:

      February 5, 2012 at 5:18 am

      [“Allegedly, the pope is the recipient of the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven being handed down from one pope to another in an undisturbed or unbroken succession! Is that reality or just mere fantasy???”

      of course is a fantasy and pity to those who are fantasized……]

      Reply:

      It’s in the bible! So it is biblical!

  3. Thanks be to God for another wisdom you shared Bro. Eli. It is very clear in the scripture that God established/set up persons compromise the Church, and no pope is included.

    Catholic pope is just like god to them, for they kneel down before him. And as you taught already that kneeling is form of worship. If they really understood the word of God as they always proclaim, they should restrict their members calling them ‘father” and “reverend”. The pope is called “most holy reverend father”, as if he is the highest persona in terms of faith, which is not Biblical or against the commandment of the Lord.

  4. Wow… I thank God our Father for sending Bro.Eli Soriano, who speaks frankly about the words of God without hypocrisy be it the sweet ot bitter truth.

  5. To be honest I do love bro Eli Soriano, in fact I do pray for him very often that with his “Talent” in memorizing verses he might come to embrace the TRUTH who is a person- The Lord Jesus Christ, and also that one day he will becomea catholic where he could truly use his life for the glory of God. Yes,the way St.Paul was called not to persecute Him anymore. Then I will say,”To God be the Glory”, and thanks for bro. Eli!!!

    His heart still resisting the TRUTH,Lets pray for him the God’s truth will enlihgten him. And in the end he will lead many to God and His Catholic Church.Amen+

    • hello, Winnie

      bro Eli Soriano’s “Talent” (as one may call it) is a gift from God, for the Glory of God. It is proof that even in modern times, God still blesses His people. it didn’t come from the devil as the catholics say (among other accusations), since that would be logically self defeating. The incredible amount of Wisdom bro Eli has is unmistakably from the Almighty One. Your catholic priests may be intelligent or knowledgeable, but what is knowledge without Wisdom?

      also, the truth bro Eli is revealing is already in its purest form. at this rate, it’s either you’re twisting the truth to suit your lifestyle or youre blind. you’re just obviously hurt and are in denial because you can’t handle the TRUTH. i suggest you continue reading the other blog entries of bro eli, as well as the comments section. anyway, we’ll pray for you too, that someday you will decide to cut your ties with the catholic church and finally be enlightened. i pray that the LORD will cure your blindness and give you wisdom to understand. Let’s see whose prayer gets genuinely answered.

      • Shia,
        God gave each creature gifts or talents, even bro. Eli’ talent. However, not because a person is superb in memory like the case of your church founder or father,then it follows that he is always right. Similarly, a Top caliber lawyer although superb in his knowledge in law, it does not always follow that he represents the truth in the court room.
        God established His Church to teach us not from a church estabished by mere man.

      • Winnie,

        No one’s saying that someone is “always right” here. From what I read, I think you just reinforced what Shia had said. I presume you don’t know the difference between knowledge and Wisdom? And you’re right, having a good memory has nothing to do with being Wise either; no arguing that. At least we agreed on that one post.

    • Winnie:
      To be honest I do love bro Eli Soriano, in fact I do pray for him very often that with his “Talent” in memorizing verses he might come to embrace the TRUTH who is a person- The Lord Jesus Christ, and also that one day he will becomea catholic where he could truly use his life for the glory of God. Yes,the way St.Paul was called not to persecute Him anymore. Then I will say,”To God be the Glory”, and thanks for bro. Eli!!!

      His heart still resisting the TRUTH,Lets pray for him the God’s truth will enlihgten him. And in the end he will lead many to God and His Catholic Church.Amen+

      _________________________________________________________________________
      Sadly, your denial to the absolute truth has now ended into a SOUR GRIEF!!! Your inability to comprehend the truth and refute the truth that our preacher has shown you through the Holy Scriptures, has made you to formulate DELUSIONS of Bro. Eli joining your false and corrupted faith which will never happen. God will never allow His faithful servants to be led astray.

      I have been following your comments and argues about you, defending your obviously false faith in this blog, and I cannot conclude whether you are brainwashed to believing lies or that you just don’t have the capacity to think logically. For the reason that, if you would just have an ounce of LOGIC (which is correct thinking and right reasoning, in case if you also did not truly understand the word) , then, you can easily decipher the very big difference between Truth and False! If by somehow, you are still not convinced that the teachings of Bro. Eli are the teachings of our Lord, Jesus Christ portrayed in the Holy Scriptures, and that you still contend that your faith is the bearer of the truth, which is definitely erroneous, then it is safe to assume that the holy words of God is not for you to hear and understand, provided that a midst of all the blog entries that you have read and scrutinized, you still deny the FACT that the teachings of Bro. Eli is LOGICALLY, SCIENTIFICALLY and SPIRITUALLY TRUE.
      For the Holy Bible states that:

      Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the WICKED shall do wickedly: and NONE of the WICKED shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

      Again, “None of the WICKED shall understand.”

      I thank God for His unending love and unfathomable grace. To God be the Glory, forever and ever!!!
      Amen.

    • @Winnie

      Hey Winnie, i was just wondering, where is your challenge to Bro Eli?

      You said you want to challenge him about the previous topic, where is it?

      YOU SAID: “embrace the TRUTH who is a person- The Lord Jesus Christ,”

      Really? Proves you are ignorant of the Scriptures. Person? The Lord Jesus Christ? PERSON?

      Your argument is invalid.

    • Hi Winnie,

      So you’re now agreeing that Bro Eli has a talent that none of your catholic priest posses. If it is God given and your catholic church is the truth why wasn’t it given to anyone of your priest? specially the pope, and why Bro Eli? If I may ask or you may ask yourself WHY?. And it is not memorizing the verses I’m sorry, it is understanding the verses.

      Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the WICKED shall do wickedly: and NONE of the WICKED shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

    • Just a note for you Winnie: You don’t need to be an ADD member once you come to a clear understanding that the catholic church is NOT the True Church. No one’s forcing you to join any religious group. but you have to admit to yourself that at some point youll gonna have to at least ACKNOWLEDGE the Truth and stop the denying! Pray to the LORD to cure your blindness and resist the devils who twist the truths!

    • hello @Winnie, it seems you were given a task here, to oppose Bro. Eli. But hope you see the one you are barking is not Bro. Eli, but the one who spoke those words in the Bible. You opposing God’s word Winnie, have you realized that?

      I do not know you but in my observation you are an intelligent person, I wish that intellectual asset gave to you by Creator will be used to spread the doctrines of God and not of men.

      Ignorance is pardonable.

      • Jc,
        thanks for your cordial comment, may God grant you enlightenment that will lead you to the TRUTH.This is from the bottom of my heart.

        However, let me disagree with you in your statement about the Catholic Church hindering the translation of the Bible. First, It was the Catholics who translated the Bible from Greek to other Languages, In the 4th century the Lingua franca or the common language most people could understand was Latin, and in Latin it has the Latin Vulgate which was use and understand by the common people. This is to help propagate the word of God and not to hinder it.Remember that the Latin Language at that time
        was like the English of today which is widespread or international.

        The First German and English translation of the Bible was a Catholic Bible. Note that The word og God was so Sacred to the Church, and if heretics use the word of God in distorting the truth by translating it in accordance with their false beliefs then it is very dangerous. Would you agree if the bery word of God is mistranslated?
        An example was the Martin Luther’s translation, he added the word alone to a verse to justify his belief that man is saved
        and justified by”faith alone”.Even Bro Eli would not agree to that belief. The reason is that in the original langauge the word “alone” was not there.

        In this way you are right that the
        Catholic Church tried to hinder those mistranslation.

        By the way we don’t see the pope as A god. In fact we know that he could makes personal mistakes, yet when he teach us in regards to faith morals and doctrines while exercising his capacity as a pope(excathedra) then we are obliged to follow it as if from God.Remember he gave him keys,(Matthew16:17-20)Christ gave his disciple the commision to teach( Matthew28:18-20),He also appointed him to be a shephered of his sheep.(John 23) our belief is this office was passed on to Peter’s successors. As his church continues to teach, baptize an makes disciples of all nations.It makes only sense that our church had the keys from God.

      • Hi Winnie, hi again and thanks for your comment.

        I would like to ask why Bible translator like John Wycliffe killed? Isn’t the reason is he translated the Latin Bible to English, which the common language then. Why there is so called Dark Ages, 1000 years when the Word was trapped in only Latin. (http://www.greatsite.com/timeline-english-bible-history/)

        If you are saying the catholic church would like to spread the word to all, why only Latin. Philippines is no exemption on this, our history told so.

        By this, who distorted the truth in the Bible Winnie?

        Mistranslated scripture can be investigated because original manuscript is still intact. We only need to investigate right. But to teach things not written in the scripture is much much difference in mistranslation because it is intentional, to mislead the people to true church. I hope you got my point in here.

      • Winnie said: “By the way we don’t see the pope as A god.”

        My reply:
        That’s just a pathetic excuse by catholics. same with your “our-statues-function-just-like-pictures-of-our-loved-one” excuse. You keep saying you don’t see your pope as a god, but the whole world clearly SEES that you TREAT him like one. The rest of the world is witness to how you treat your pope like a demigod of the ancient pagan rome. Jesus Christ the Messiah was never treated like that, nor would he prefer to be treated like that, if ever. David and Solomon were not being spoiled like that on their thrones when they were Kings. Catholics treat their pope as if he’s more sacred than the Arc of the Covenant, despite all their unholy acts. Outrageous!

      • @Winnie,

        While your post mostly contain facts, some are just fallacious assumptions, especially the last part; (that lame technique you use where you jump from the Apostles story to the founding of your Catholic Church to show as proof.) and I’m impressed at how good you are in sugar-coating all your facts. Though it may seem that what your church had been doing in those times was all paved with good intentions, the truth is if you read your history books from your very own vatican archive you’ll learn that your 4th century catholics were power-hungry beasts. They killed not just the heretics, but also the innocent women and children (even those who have yet to receive knowledge of Christ) for power. That is defnitely not how God would have His Church do.

        You must never forget what your catholics did to make the Bible you’re oh-so-proud to have now. They went on a killing spree, almost wiping out the jews/hebrews (who wrote most of the OT books) and here you are claiming that you catholics know better than the authors themselves? Absurd! Remember, the Apostles were once Jews too you know, so I hope they weren’t included in your murders.

        And so what if they’re so good in translating texts to Latin? Does that give them the Authority? Why didn’t they just leave the first century Christians alone? The Apostles used to have the gift of ‘Tongues’ (wherein a foreign man can understand a sermon in their native language; unlike what catholics do in their healing mass = babbling nonsense that no man can understand) so no translating was necessary at that time. But then the moment you catholics step into the picture, everything went into chaos.

      • Isn’t it obvious??! The Roman Catholic Church murdered the Apostles and the first century Christians!! I’ve got no solid proof, but I’m a historian and I have read almost the entire history of Ancient Rome. and from what i read I have to say that I’ve known alot about them especially how the ancient romans tick. Their motive was crystal clear: to USE Christ to conquer the world. They were power-whores! They don’t care if they had to compromise with other conflicting beliefs (e.g. the Celts) just to influence them little by little. They have kept the books to hide the truth and they even “doctored” them to suit their luxurious lifestyle. Unfortunately, they have succeeded. Look how populous the RCC has become today. An awful lot of ignorant people have been brainwashed, sometimes even the most intelligent ones! Now now these aren’t just allegations. Everything I said had already happened, if you just read a wee bit of history of your catholic church you’ll know.

  6. another exposition of bro.eli.he explain again by the bible the wrong teaching of this so called catholic teaching this false faith will go down ..and that is a promise.. thus said the lord…….

  7. a CHALLENGE to ODAN MATIG-A and WINNIE:

    You two are always whinnying here in blogs. What is your purpose and motive why you argue and oppose bro eli’s blog?? I believe you do this just to prove him (bro eli) wrong and maybe you want us to follow you.

    IF you really SURE that bro eli is wrong and you are RIGHT, Why not GO to one of our locale and ask or even DEBATE bro eli LIVE so that you can prove once and for all to us that catholic is the TRUE CHURCH founded by CHRIST.

    We are having LIVE bible exposition EVERY 1st and last FRIDAY of the month. Every locale (esp in the philippines) hookep-up in the bible exposition. It starts at 7pm (phil. time). and visitors are all welcome. You can even bring your priest, cardinal and your brethren as many as you can.

    Be sure to come early for you to be the first in line to ask/debate bro eli. I have a favor to you, before you confront bro eli, please introduce first yourself that you are “aka” ODAN MATIG-A or WINNIE for us to know.

    As a fruit of your bravery and courage, IF you WIN against bro eli, I assure you i will be the first to follow you and maybe millions of my brethren will do the same….

    I am waiting for you in our bible exposition…

    Waiting sincerely,
    glenn ford

    • Glenn Ford wrote:

      [a CHALLENGE to ODAN MATIG-A and WINNIE:

      You two are always whinnying here in blogs. What is your purpose and motive why you argue and oppose bro eli’s blog?? I believe you do this just to prove him (bro eli) wrong and maybe you want us to follow you.]

      Reply:

      We are not whining! Our opinion is to lead you to the right path of the true church. We oppose Mr. Eli Soriano because his teaching is not the right one and not authorize by God. I proved him wrong most of the time I refute his opinion; which is why he is too shy to rebut my arguments right here in his own blog.

      Glenn Ford says:

      [IF you really SURE that bro eli is wrong and you are RIGHT, Why not GO to one of our locale and ask or even DEBATE bro eli LIVE so that you can prove once and for all to us that catholic is the TRUE CHURCH founded by CHRIST.]

      Reply:

      Yes; I am very sure that Mr. Eli Soriano is wrong! And you are conned by his pseudo christianity. His biblical exegesis is not correct because first; he has no authority to interpret the bible… second; he has no knowledge of the history of the Jews, the early christians and their religion.

      Glenn Ford says:

      [We are having LIVE bible exposition EVERY 1st and last FRIDAY of the month. Every locale (esp in the philippines) hookep-up in the bible exposition. It starts at 7pm (phil. time). and visitors are all welcome. You can even bring your priest, cardinal and your brethren as many as you can.]

      Reply:

      This so called live bible exposition conducted by him and the ADD is clear to manipulate the people who are ignorant of the bible. This is also one way of the ADD converting people to their religion.

      Glenn Ford says:

      [Be sure to come early for you to be the first in line to ask/debate bro eli. I have a favor to you, before you confront bro eli, please introduce first yourself that you are “aka” ODAN MATIG-A or WINNIE for us to know.]

      Reply:

      Going to his bible exposition to debate him is useless. You know why? Because he don’t want to lose a debate in his own turf. When you confront Mr. Eli Soriano about the bible with all the ADD adherents around… of course he don’t want to get embarrassed. He will just limit me (for example if I am the one confronting him) to asking question. I am not allowed to argue and debate with him.

      Glenn Ford says:

      [As a fruit of your bravery and courage, IF you WIN against bro eli, I assure you i will be the first to follow you and maybe millions of my brethren will do the same….]

      Reply:

      No… no… no… you cannot win against Mr. Eli Soriano inside his own bible exposition. His bible exposition is pure propaganda… because if you have a difficult question and Mr. Eli Soriano cannot answer you will be thrown out of the exposition. Just like what happened to a Catholic Faith Defender (CFD) in Davao city; he was thrown out because Mr. Eli Soriano cannot answer the question asked by the CFD.

      Glenn ford says:

      [I am waiting for you in our bible exposition…]

      Reply:

      I am waiting for him right in his own blog.

      • lame excuses.. Schedule a Debate! we often watch full debates with 20-30 minutes time per each round for each side with 10 minute cross examinations. how can you say that the time is limited? and debates are announced for us to watch days prior to the event. how can bro Eli make an excuse not to show it if its live? Just admit that you’re scared

  8. Ksb,
    Be careful in what you say, you may not know the whole TRUTH and with that God may pardon you.Christ said,”Father forgive them for they don’t know what they are doing”

    Remember that God used The Catholic Church as an instrument of preserving the whole Bible. Search in the web about the oldest extant translation of the New and Old testament and you will find that it was in the care of the Catholic Church. All the most ancient ones such as the Codex Sinaictacus,Alexandrian Codex,Codex Vaticanus. The monks were so deligent and dedicated in transcribing,translating the word of God.
    God continuously Guide the Church for He promised her that the “Holy Spirit will guide them in all TRUTH’,(John 14:13 and in John 16)

    All of the 27 books of the New Testament are words of God.Remember that nowhere in the Bible you can find a list of which belongs to it. Furthermore, you cannot find any EXACT same list of the 27 books unless it came from Catholic source. I challenge ALL ADD members and that includes Bro Eli to provide any existing list outside the authority of the Catholic church.
    If you cannot proved otherwise, then it follows that the Catholic Church has the Keys and authority given by God. The Holy Spirit guided the Church which books belongs to the Bible and it makes sense that He also guides the Catholic Church when it teaches about faith and morals.Thus is the same Catholic Church tha received the promise of Christ(Matthew 16:18-20) “and the Gates of Hell Shall not prevail against her.”She received the great commision to teach and baptize all nations( hence,universal/Catholic(Matthew 28:19-20).
    With this Great mission Christ promised his continuous presence,”I will be with you until the consumation of the world.”

    May God enlighten all my ADD members may thanks God for HIS TRUTH they learned today.
    May your TRUTH oh God trouble not their hearts but gives them strength to follow you and your teachings as your body/church teaches.Amen!!!

      • Please Winnie, open your mind. Do not judge with biased emotions just as we have judged before we have entered into the true Church of God. I beg you, THINK HARD and reflect on the words of God.

      • To Winnie

        Please I humbly ask you to go in our bible expo, be early to be the one to ask 1st, then, propose a debate(if you want) about the eucharist. Don’t simply ask because you can’t defend your doctrine/faith in that because that segment is for asking not for debating(but can be if bro. eli wants it)..

      • @Winnie: i got a feeling you’re not even reading any of our comments. we demand a WELL THOUGHT OUT response to all of them before reposting again everything you’ve already mentioned ad nauseum.

    • What blatant lies again Winnie. Did your false church taught you that they own the bible? Think again, or perhaps MAKE SURE to research thoroughly before presenting corrupted information in front of everyone especially to God! The truth is, the catholic church do not own the holy scriptures, where in fact, Costantine, the emperor of Rome in those days, ordered to confiscate, or should I say, steal the sacred scriptures of the Early Christians and compile them into one book, which is the Bible. Furthermore, ever wonder why there are missing books of the bible? That’s because, constantine disregards and destroys the other scriptures that will not support or coincide with the new religion he is about to establish. Who gave him the right to throw those holy scriptures? He did this because of pure political reasons. He was aware that the Roman Empire is weakening at some point and, thus, he needed a new diversion to conquer and exploit nations through the means of religion and this diabolic deed was indeed effective in conquering lands — no wonder why the Spaniards colonized us using name of our Lord, Jesus Christ — such blasphemy. After that, he then forced his people to convert into his new founded religion. even the original Christians are being forced to convert, and those who will not shall be killed.
      Yes, your church may be the one to compile the scriptures to use them as an instrument for world domination, however, that does not imply that the contents or the holy scriptures compiled inside the bible belongs to your church. Though your church may have destroyed a number of the original holy scriptures, however, the wisdom of God will never be destroyed and will forever remain no matter how the demons in your church tries to corrupt it.
      That is the bitter truth of your false religion.
      The truth is, I pity you for your ignorance, however, your constant nagging and twisting of the absolute truth of God into made up lies of your not-so-intelligent priests and popes, makes me want to just ignore you and leave you be as you drench yourself with false beliefs and lies but, only God knows whether or not He still wills you to be enlightened and in the process accept what is true and be saved from foolishness. That is why, I will entrust your fate to the Lord God, Almighty.

      To God be the glory, forever and ever. Amen.

      • Rekksushin,
        I think you have a great potential as a fiction writer but hopeless in this kind of endeavor.
        Conspiracy theorist will suit you as I can see in your post full of it.

        Back to reality, I would like you to give some evidence to your accusations. Its easy to throw allegations but the fact that you did it you should be responsible to give credence to your statement otherwise nobody will take you seriously.

        Take courage brother, and may the good Lord bless you.

      • Winnie says:
        I think you have a great potential as a fiction writer but hopeless in this kind of endeavor.
        Conspiracy theorist will suit you as I can see in your post full of it.

        Back to reality, I would like you to give some evidence to your accusations. Its easy to throw allegations but the fact that you did it you should be responsible to give credence to your statement otherwise nobody will take you seriously.

        Reply:

        Unfortunately for you, I am not making all of these up. If you’re a regular watcher of national geographic and discovery channel, you could have seen their documentary about the establishment of your false religion, the horrible killings and the conspiracy of constantine. It was shown 1st week of April 2011 as a match up for the holy week theme. And given the fact that it is NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC and DISCOVERY CHANNEL, you can’t deny or rather you must agree that all their investigations and researches are reliable and are based on evidences that they posses. Unfortunately for me, I could not supply you these documentaries for it was not released on the internet because of copy rights protection. However, the sole fact that it was presented by these reliable sources means that the theory has a high tendency of truth as truth value. If you want to confirm, keep watch of these channels. You might be lucky if they represent it this coming april.

    • Winnie Said:
      “Remember that God used The Catholic Church as an instrument of preserving the whole Bible.”

      Bambi says :
      So catholic is being used to preserve the bible. Why not follow what you keep? Don’t make graven images. give and do not take any for the words of God is free. Remember if you know the story in the bible where the Lord gave his men talents and one of them just kept it and didn’t progress until the comming of the Lord. The talent was taken from him and was given to the one who is more progressive. I am proud to say that we got the talent and we are progressing and hoping to still progress and reach our goal until the comming of the Lord.And after all of this we will still say in our hearts that we will remain a humble servant of our Lord. One more thing, I tell you this the greatest preservation of Gods words is not in your library, it is in the heart of a righteous man.

      Hebrews 10:15-16
      15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,

      16This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

      • Bambipatti,
        thanks for your reply, May God bring you graces to be faithful to him and His word and not to a mere man that claims to be God sent or sugo.

        Regarding images,i would like to share the truth about it more on my next post. For now, i will tell you these; Catholics don’t have idols,we don’t have other gods, we recognize that those images or any images could not become God under any circumstances.

    • Winnie says: “Search in the web about the oldest extant translation of the New and Old testament and you will find that it was in the care of the Catholic Church.”

      My Reply: Exactly. That’s why people ARE SO LOST now because the Bible went in the “care” of the Catholic Church.

      Winnie says: “I challenge ALL ADD members and that includes Bro Eli to provide any existing list outside the authority of the Catholic church.
      If you cannot proved otherwise, then it follows that the Catholic Church has the Keys and authority given by God. ”

      ^ WHAT KIND OF SORCERY IS THIS??! This kind of CIRCULAR REASONING proves you’re not a good logician.

      Why are you so certain that God gave you the Keys to begin with? I’ve been a follower of your comments and all the “proof” youve presented before were either extremely fallacious, or they don’t even relate anything to catholicism.

      From reading the Holy Scripture, we have established two absolute truths:
      – you CANNOT prove the involvement of the Lord Christ and the Apostles to the roman catholic church because NO such proof exists or was written.
      – we understand that just because no such proof can be found, it still doesn’t eliminate the possibility that the roman catholic church MAY be the One True Church. BUT from reading the Bible descriptions of the Church, we became 100% certain that the roman catholic church is NOT the Church described in the Bible. It’s just too silly to think that the Books that are in the “care” of the Catholic are actually opposed to it. I wonder what kind of “care” theyre giving to the Books.

      • Lito

        Greetings Brother, its not actually care but THEFT. Unfortunately, the catholic church stole the original scriptures from the early original Christians during the reign of Constantine, the emperor of rome that time!

      • Lito,
        I encourage you to explain why my logic isn’t good. How can you define it as circular reasoning. I just stated the facts,that there is no known record that shows the exact number and books of the New Testament until the Church had defined which books belong to it.

      • Winnie says:
        “I challenge ALL ADD members and that includes Bro Eli to provide any existing list outside the authority of the Catholic church.
        If you cannot proved otherwise, then it follows that the Catholic Church has the Keys and authority given by God.”

        Silly, because it’s like you’re asking us to provide an ‘existing’ list of books OUTSIDE the authority of your church. But you just said that all existing books were written/translated and compiled by catholics (therfore INSIDE your church) and that the roman catholic church has the ONLY authority over all of them and has the rights to “protect” all of them. Well, let’s assume that what you said is true. How then can we still be able to find any other authentic books authored by authentic prophets when you just claimed that you already have all the ‘existing’ books? (or perhaps NOT all of the books. maybe the catholic church just claims/steals the rights to every newly discovered one and just adds them to their list, but that’s just a hunch. and a highly probable one considering it’s the roman catholic church.)

        Now I’m not saying that the second sentence above is true, I’m just assuming and testing if the arguments you made yourself will stand. Apparently, it failed. It just means that somewhere in your statements above is a LIE! (i hope you understand what i’m getting at.)

        and you even said: “that there is NO KNOWN record that shows the exact number and books of the New Testament until the Church HAD DEFINED which books belong to it.” that’s only according to your church. and that makes it sound like a gentle way of saying “finders keepers, losers(in war) weepers” And don’t you remember that you even murdered people in the process of acquiring (more like stealing) some of the books and other sacred artifacts from the hebrews, arabs, etc.? Now i know why no one has attempted to “provide a list of newly acquired books” without being threatened by the catholic church. They were either killed, or forced to be catholic.

        and since we “cannot prove this otherwise” we have no choice but to accept “that the Catholic Church has the Keys and authority given by God.” <<< WHAT AN UNSOUND WAY OF PROVING SOMETHING!! I bet you're even doubting if God really gave your church the Keys after all those wickedness. Your church has no right to have that kind of authority to possess the Holy Books!

      • Hmmm i think this is what Winnie is trying to say in the challenge post above:

        “Whoever has ownership to the most number of books in the Bible is automatically The One True Church! Regardless of the process of their acquisition! (e.g. killing, stealing, deceiving, etc.)”

        ^ If that’s the case, then I tip my hat off to the roman catholic church and admit defeat. BUT THANK GOD IT’S NOT!

      • The problem with winnie’s argument is that we have to ASSUME [meaning without proof] that they have the authority to take care all of the books to start with. and so they get to keep all the books to themselves. But then winnie goes saying that whichever church has all [or most] of the books HAS TO BE the one with authority since they already have listed the books, and uses this as proof for our assumption in his first premise. It’s like saying “I have authority over X because i have X already, and because I have X, God gave us the authority to ‘have’ them, that’s why i have authority over X” Then you ask us to provide a list of “non-X” books that doesn’t belong to X. How can we do that when you already claim to have “taken care” all of X? Eh inangkin niyo na nga lahat!

        The better question should be this: it’s fairly simple, when and how did your catholic church get her hands on the books? (example of possible answers: they dug/excavated it, they force-stole it from others, they confiscated it, they used power to recover it, etc.)

        if you answer again “because we have authority”, we’re back to square one. that’s like counterintuitive, to say that God has given authority to the unrighteous. Parang sinasabi mo kasi na kung nasa kanino ang mga aklat, siya ang may authority ng Diyos. If that’s true, simpleng pagnakaw lang pala sa mga aklat ay makakamit mo na ang sinasabi mo na authority! Kaya pala tiwalang tiwala ka sa simbahang katoliko mo!

    • It is HIM, the God Almighty preserves His word for His people. He is the OWNER and He will protect and preserve it until the end of this world. Bible were written prior to RC existence. AS a matter of fact, RC hinders the translation of the Bible to common language and murder them (the translator and stopped the wide distribution of the book).

      God use HIS People to preserve it and not catholic church or its members.

      • Lito,
        Can you tell me about those “newly acquired books” you are talking about, and can you explain with evidence how the Catholic Church stole the Bibles from “christians”. If cannot provide proofs then your accusation is of no value. You may again say that, there is no available evidence as they don’t exist, followed by more blames towards the church.

        By the way I am getting mixed messages from with regards to
        when did our Catholic Church started. Some mentioned that it was started by Constantine. I just want your official stand.

        Lito, if you study how the Bible came to be as it is now, then you will be amazed how much you are indepted to the Catholic church.

        I encourage you to read and discover it yourself.
        You also mentioned that you agree with me to some of my points, yet you disagree with me in their implications or applications. I would like to know which one you agree and which one you don’t so we may progress in this dialogue.
        May God bless and enlighten you brother.

  9. Winnie,

    I wish one day you will show in one of our locale and challenge Bro Eli for a debate. You say catholic is the truth prove it!!!!

  10. Winnie,

    Or better yet, watch in UNTV most of the people asking Bro. Eli are catholics, maybe most of your questions will be answered. Wag kalang haharap kay Bro. Eli na wala kang panglaban, masusupalpal ka lang.

  11. Just be an open minded and you will surely leave the catholic church, with GOD’S help.
    We support you all the way Bro. Eli and Bro. Daniel

  12. Since you cannot find the following from the Bible:

    – NOVENA
    – PURGATORY
    – LIMBO
    – ROSARY
    – BAPTIZING A CHILD
    – MARY IS IN HEAVEN FLESH AND BLOOD
    – KNEELING DOWN BEFORE IDOLS
    – THAT JESUS HAS LONG HAIR
    – THAT JESUS WAS BORN DEC 25
    – THE THREE KINGS
    – CHRISTMAS
    – SANTA CLAUS
    – HALLOWEEN
    – ALL SOULS DAY
    – ALL SAINTS DAY
    – VALENTINES DAY
    – ASH WEDNESDAY
    – PALM SUNDAY
    – EASTER SUNDAY
    – COMMEMORATING THE DEATH OF CHRIST EVERY FIRST THURSDAY OF THE MONTH OF APRIL
    – MARDI GRAS
    – ST. PATRICKS DAY
    – HOLY THURSDAY
    – GOOD FRIDAY
    – THE FEAST OF CORPUS CHRISTI
    – TRINITY SUNDAY
    – PENTECOST SUNDAY
    – DIVINE SUNDAY

    And never taught by the Lord Jesus Christ and the Apostles, therefore, a FANTASY.

    Anyone want to add more to the list?

    • Really?,
      I encourage you to dig deeper as you don’t seems to see realities from illusions.
      You are intelligent man, please use it for yourself and ultimately for God.

      Just try to make sense of time and you see what I mean. Like St.Patrick day or St. Nicholas day, We are aware that they were not found in the Bible. They lived hundreds of years after the apostles. However, these virtuous men were instruments of God, they are in fact lived their lives for Christ. In a way they are testimonies of God presence in human history.

      christianity didn’t died out with the apostles, in truth it served as inspiration to their followers. They were called to ne the light of the world. And Christ said that light is not meant to be covered with a bushel. Hence, God desires and planned that the gospel of salvation be preach to all nation. Christ is true God and he is fully aware that his apostle at some point will die. He knows this more than anyone or bro Eli. It follows that someone after the apostles have to follow their examples, receives thier God given authority,and the authority to teach.
      In this connection these saints who remained holy for God serves as inspiration. On their feasts, we celebrate God’s goodness, we celebrates their virtious, and glorify God for giving us inspirations imitating their good deeds, like the way they imitated the apostles.

      Some of your attacks doesn’t make sense please be specific. You are not focus, please put some sense to your arguments. Refute my arguments if you can.

      • Hey winnie, you want logic??? How about this one?

        Is it logical, even for just a pinch of logic, that the birth of Chirst is December 25, celebrated as chirstmass in your forever lying church, when your ever lying church celebrated the immaculate conception, or the conception of Mary, on December 8??? tell me, was mary pregnant for only 2 weeks and three days or was she pregnant for more than 9 months, or is are they even possible and reasonable to the people with correct thinking and right reasoning?? tell me, where is this logic of your great church that your so proud of???

      • Same old lame excuses by the catholics. The bible warns us about too much merry-making and partying and nonsense feasts. Right now, the Philippines has festivals for all the saints in every corner. like the horrible black nazarene feast, among your other pagan festival. (it’s just a blasphemous half-burnt wooden statue of an imagined blasphemous image of Christ with long hair, for crying out loud!) It’s creepy that some even risk their lives wiping their towels to the statue or any material belongings of the pope in order to somewhat summon its alleged power. (Uh oh, SOMETHING IS SO NOT RIGHT ABOUT THAT) Cultic beliefs!

      • But how come an unknown modern saint like santa claus gets to be commemorated, but the true heroes like Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon don’t? Why is it the bible did not mention anything about birthday celebrations, annual Moses day, annual Solomon day? that’s because they’re all considered as HEATHEN. In Roman Catholicism, it’s the otherwise. Catholics celebrate everything that is worldly, but they don’t respect the Passover celebration (a commandment from God) of jews, and they don’t at least honor the Sabbath. It’s the Romans who were really into merry-making, they celebrated Saturnalia and the Soltices, and when they became compromised christians, they started celbrating christmas.

      • The whole Catholic church is just a continuation of Babylonian paganism, didn’t you know? They celebrated various feasts as compromise to pagan festivals (even maintained the same date! example saturnalia, winter solstice, christmas of babylon). They keep demons trapped inside the Pentagon, which is why it’s, you know, pentagonal.

  13. @Winnie:

    Where in the bible can you find your presumptuous allegation that “God used your so-called Catholic Church as an instrument of preserving the whole Bible and that all the most ancient ones such as the Codex Sinaictacus, Alexandrian Codex are in the care of the Catholic Church”?

    The following records would prove that either you are misinformed or you are deliberately engaged in deception:

    1) 350 A.D. Codex Sinaiticus is one of the four great uncial codices, an ancient, handwritten copy of the Greek Bible. It is an Alexandrian text-type manuscript written in the 4th century in uncial letters on parchment. Current scholarship considers the Codex Sinaiticus to be one of the best Greek texts of the New Testament, along with that of the Codex Vaticanus. Until the discovery by Tischendorf of the Sinaiticus text at an Orthodox monastery at Mt. Sinai, the Codex Vaticanus was unrivaled. Codex Sinaiticus contains the entire New Testament and almost the entire Old Testament in Greek. (Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus)

    The Codex Sinaiticus came to the attention of scholars in 19th century at Greek Orthodox Monastery of Mount Sinai, with further material discovered in 20th and 21st centuries. Although parts of Codex are scattered across four libraries around the world, most of the manuscript today resides within the British Library. (Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus)

    2) The Codex Alexandrinus is a 5th century manuscript of the Greek Bible, containing the majority of the Septuagint and the New Testament. It is one of the four Great uncial codices. Along with the Codex Sinaiticus and the Vaticanus, it is one of the earliest and most complete manuscripts of the Bible. Wettstein designated it in 1751 by letter A, and it was the first manuscript to receive thus a large letter as its designation.

    It derived its name from Alexandria where it resided for a number of years before it was brought by the Eastern Orthodox Patriarch Cyril Lucaris from Alexandria to Constantinople. Then it was given to Charles I of England in the 17th century. Until the later purchase of the Codex Sinaiticus, it was the best manuscript of the Greek Bible deposited in Britain. Today, it rests along with Codex Sinaiticus in one of the showcases in the Ritblat Gallery of the British Library. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Alexandrinus

    … And by the way, getting hold of some of the original text of The Old & New Testament is not a guarantee of the genuineness of a supposed religion especially if such “religion” does not subscribe to the pure and undefiled teachings of Christ but propagates instead a different doctrine contrary to what was written in the bible.

    • Toto Onato,

      It’s good that you write about these old manuscript of the bible. These bibles are all written by Catholics. codex Sinaiticus was in the monastery of St. Catherine before but a certain scholar named Tischendorf stole it and pretended that he picked those manuscript inside the garbage bin of the monastery. The codex Alexandria is so named because it was written in Alexandria, Egypt. The codex Vaticanus is in the Vatican and to repeat… these bibles are all written and translated by catholic monks.

      • Get your facts straight, sir. What made you think all those books (including the OT) were written by catholics? Is it because it’s in Greek/Latin? I’m sorry but that’s a very stupid assumption. Heck we don’t care what your catholics wrote during the 4th century, etc. We don’t care about your heretical catholic gospels that were later added to your bibles. What’s important to us is the preserved OT and what Christ had said and what His Apostles wrote FIRST-HAND, and not as interpreted by catholics. I gotta agree though that some of the main books were indeed TRANSLATED by catholics (or should i say, ‘forced’ catholics), but it is AWFULLY WRONG to say that catholics authored them altogether!! You see, there’s a difference between translated/WRITTEN and AUTHORED! And for the last time the Apostles were not catholics if thats what you’re thinking!!

        And did you know? that people were slaughtered during the making of the first bibles? Is that how the Lord Jesus Christ spread the Truth? Even Erasmus, a (‘forced’) catholic and the publisher of the first bible, was threatened by the catholic church when he refused to translate the original Scriptures according to the catholic church’s ‘personal’ interpretation. There are authentic scholar journals that are backed by intensive research that prove that the catholic church intentionally messed up with the translations and even omitted and inserted their own ‘unholy’ scriptures during the 15~16 century (example: the lie of I John 5:7) in order to save the catholic church herself. That’s why all the evidence you’re presenting to us now in defense of you’re church are all fabricated by catholics and are deemed unreliable. The catholic church is the reason why we have so many atheists now who think that the bible cannot be trusted and is self-contradicting and inconsistent with truth, but the truth is the catholic people keeps writing blasphemous books (limbo, purgatory,etc.) and adding them to the original bible without Authority. The Truth was once in harmony, before the catholic church ‘took care’ of the books.

        anyway, If the whole of the bible was indeed written (or fabricated) by catholics, i say the world is DOOMED!

      • Odan Matig-a:
        Your baseless comments and opinion underscore the severity of your behavioral Catholicism tendency, a condition of doctrinal disorientation and/or denial in religion. You cannot even distinguish between Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy (to which Saint Catherine Monastery of Mount Sinai belong). Support your preposterous claim with valid or believable reference/s instead of exhibiting historical and spiritual dishonesty here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Catherine%27s_Monastery,_Mount_Sinai

        …and let me emphasize to you that mere getting hold of some of the original text of The Old & New Testament is not a guarantee of the genuineness of a supposed religion especially if such “religion” does not subscribe to the pure and undefiled teachings of Christ but propagates instead a different doctrine contrary to what was written in the bible.

      • truthhuntsmanToto Onato says:
        “…and let me emphasize to you that mere getting hold of some of the original text of The Old & New Testament is not a guarantee of the genuineness of a supposed religion especially if such “religion” does not subscribe to the pure and undefiled teachings of Christ but propagates instead a different doctrine contrary to what was written in the bible.”

        True. They don’t want the people to know the TRUTH that’s why they’re “locking” the Holy Books to themselves. The catholic church is scared that people will soon know how messed up their beliefs and traditions were and how twisted their popes’ interpretations of the bible was that it could strip off her authority and power.

      • Lito says:

        True. They don’t want the people to know the TRUTH that’s why they’re “locking” the Holy Books to themselves. The catholic church is scared that people will soon know how messed up their beliefs and traditions were and how twisted their popes’ interpretations of the bible was that it could strip off her authority and power.

        Very true. Considering that the sole reason on why the roman catholic church was established was because constantine wants to rule and dominate the world using religion as an instrument, provided that the military capacity of rome during his time is no longer capable in defending their empire of attacks from barbarians, goths, visigoths, etc. So as then that popes, so badly want to stay in power, continued their corrupted and twisted legacy as this was their goal in the first place—to stay in authority and power. (BTW, this information was based on a Discovery channel and National geographic documentary. Thus, reliable.)

      • Lito says:

        February 20, 2012 at 11:26 am

        [Get your facts straight, sir. What made you think all those books (including the OT) were written by catholics? Is it because it’s in Greek/Latin?]

        Reply:

        Yes what I said are all facts! Not that I think about it but it is a fact of history that the OT in the bible were translated by rabbis at the behest King Ptolemy II of Egypt. This translation is called the Septuagint Version of the bible. This is the bible used by the first christians. You don’t know this but the first christians were catholics and they were the writers of the bible you are holding now. All the other apochrypal were burned by the catholics. In the bible there are books called “Epistles of the Catholics”. Do you know that?

        Lito says:

        [I’m sorry but that’s a very stupid assumption. Heck we don’t care what your catholics wrote during the 4th century, etc. We don’t care about your heretical catholic gospels that were later added to your bibles.]

        Reply:

        Your reasoning is the result of Mr. Soriano’s brainwashing session with members of MCGI. It is not an assumption but again it is a fact of history. The Church is older than the [NT] bible. The [NT] bible was written in the second half of the 1st century.

        Lito says:

        [What’s important to us is the preserved OT and what Christ had said and what His Apostles wrote FIRST-HAND, and not as interpreted by catholics.]

        Reply:

        There are 2 versions of the OT… the Masoretic Text which is hebrew and the Septuagint Version which is greek. There is no evidence that the apostles wrote the gospel because if it is so… the gospel should been written in hebrew. The books in the NT bible are written in koine greek and by catholics who are greeks.

        Lito says:

        [I gotta agree though that some of the main books were indeed TRANSLATED by catholics (or should i say, ‘forced’ catholics)]

        Reply:

        Lumabas din ang pula mong dugo! Hehehe… not some but all in the books in the NT bible are written, canon and translated by catholics.

        Lito says:

        [but it is AWFULLY WRONG to say that catholics authored them altogether!!]

        Reply:

        If we speak about who wrote the bible and its authorship the answer is; all is authored by catholics. If you want books deemed by the fathers of the early church as apochrypal then you go to other religions who wrote; gospel of Judas, gospel of Phillip, gospel of Peter, gospel of Mary Magdalene, gospel of Thomas, wisdom of Jesus Christ and many many more books during the 1st and 2nd century.

        Lito says:

        [You see, there’s a difference between translated/WRITTEN and AUTHORED! And for the last time the Apostles were not catholics if thats what you’re thinking!!]

        Reply:

        In the bible there is a terminology used. It is the word “judaizers”. Do you know who were these people? They were the first jews who were converted to christianity. They have no books pertaining to the new testament. They lived in the wilderness of Judea with honey as their main sustenance as food. John the Baptist who came before Christ live in the wilderness of Judea and eating only honey.

        Lito says:

        [And did you know? that people were slaughtered during the making of the first bibles? Is that how the Lord Jesus Christ spread the Truth?]

        Reply:

        Who slaughtered who? Do you know that the first bible were written in Jerusalem? Jesus Christ spread the truth through the bible and the catholics.

        Lito says:

        [Even Erasmus, a (‘forced’) catholic and the publisher of the first bible, was threatened by the catholic church when he refused to translate the original Scriptures according to the catholic church’s ‘personal’ interpretation.]

        Reply:

        Erasmus was a catholic who opposed to some teaching of the Church. He was not a publisher of the bible but he translated the latin vulgate to english. He corrupted the catholic bible by inserting the Johannine comma.

        Lito says:

        [There are authentic scholar journals that are backed by intensive research that prove that the catholic church intentionally messed up with the translations and even omitted and inserted their own ‘unholy’ scriptures during the 15~16 century (example: the lie of I John 5:7) in order to save the catholic church herself.]

        Reply:

        You are so ignorant of the bible. Ito ang napala mo sa turo ni Mr. Soriano sa iyo. Noong araw nakikinig ko ng programa nia hindi yan maniniwala ng history kase lahat mababasa mo na raw sa biblia. Tignan mo yung mga sinasabi mo dito. At nagdunong-dunongan ka pa! Walang mali ang latin vulgate! Si Erasmus na nag-translate mula latin to english ipinasok nia ang Johannine comma to satisfy the protestants who are also trinitarian. Gusto ng mga trinatarian na protestante dagdagan ni Erasmus ang sulat ng 1 John 5:7.

        Lito says:

        [That’s why all the evidence you’re presenting to us now in defense of you’re church are all fabricated by catholics and are deemed unreliable.]

        Lito says:

        You show all the evidence that I’m presenting as fabrication. I will prove to you that it is true and supported by truth of history. Unlike your church MCGI is only a fabrication of Mr. Eli Soriano. Show to me your sensible reasoning and logic that the church of Mr. Eli Soriano is the true church Jesus Christ established in the bible. Show… show… show….

        Lito says:

        [The catholic church is the reason why we have so many atheists now who think that the bible cannot be trusted and is self-contradicting and inconsistent with truth,]

        Reply:

        You are a bible ignoramus! There are only a few atheists in the world. Atheism is caused by Martin Luther who made his own canon by taking away 7 books out of the bible. He wanted also to take out the book of James. The doctrines of the Catholic Church are based on the bible and its tradition. The church interpretation of the bible is correct because the authors of the bible are catholics. The bible is owned by the Catholic Church and it came after the church was established. Read your history properly.

        Lito says:

        [but the truth is the catholic people keeps writing blasphemous books (limbo, purgatory,etc.) and adding them to the original bible without Authority. The Truth was once in harmony, before the catholic church ‘took care’ of the books.]

        Reply:

        Ito ang napala mo sa pakikinig sa turo ni Mr. Eli Soriano! You are really an ignoramus! Purgatory is not a book but it is a doctrine of the Church about cleansing or purging of sin. This is biblical but Martin Luther tried to wrest the teaching out of the bible by taking out the books of the Maccabees where the teaching of purgatory is written. Which is why when you argue against catholics about purgatory you think it’s not written in the bible because “si Martin Luther ay nag dagdag/bawas sa biblia.

        Limbo is not a catholic doctrine but it is a theological opinion of believers. The person who popularized limbo is not the bible but the poet Dante Aleghieri in his poem “The Divine Comedy” written in the 13th century.

        Lito says:

        [anyway, If the whole of the bible was indeed written (or fabricated) by catholics, i say the world is DOOMED!]

        Reply:

        All the books in the NT bible are written by catholics. Kaya sabi ko sa iyo hindi mo puedeng mamaliin ang katoliko tungkol sa biblia dahil anjan sa katoliko ang tama kaisipan tungkol sa lahat ng aklat ng biblia. Huwag kang panatiko sa religion mo!

  14. Reall?,
    Christ said, “I am the way,the” TRUTH” and the life”. Don’t you believe his words?
    Don’t you believe that Jesus is a person?Eve God the Father is a PERSON. I encourage you to read more about it.
    To all ADD who said that they are praying for me,well, thank you very much.God knows a sincere heart. May God who is the source of all good things bless you abundantly.

    May I request that please engage on the topic and try not to jump to diferrent topic,and also if you could stick to one, otherwise your judgement is clouded as you have the tendency to use other objections as proof against the Catholic Church.

    Delusion is defined as a false belief. How could anybody check if they are delusional? Well it’s not easy but I could offer one.
    We all agree that the Bible is true and it is a word if God. We all agree that there is a promise made by Christ to his Church when he said,
    “and the gates of hell shall not prevail against
    her”(Matthew 16)
    We can then agree that God promised that His Church will not be overcome by death.
    We all agree that his Church received the mission to preach,baptize and preach the whole world(Matthew28:19-20)
    We can agree that this Church received the promise of Christ that The Holy Spirit will Guide the Church to all Truth(John14,16:13)
    We also agree that the head of the Church is Christ(Col 1:18)
    We all agree that the Church received authority/keys (Matthew 16:18-20,Matthew:18)

    With all this gifts and assurance from God His Church has done and still doing its God’s given mission. This church never been or ever will be completely apostasized.Her doctrines are pure and all true. Its founder is God/Christ himself.Christ the head/bridegroom saves and protect her from being defiled.
    As this Church mission is for the whole world and up until the consumation of the world(Matthew 28:20) we can conclude the from Jerusalem in year 33AD and up to now this Church of God/Christ continuously doing her God given mission,with her God given authority,God given gifts of infalliabilty and protection.

    Now,the big question is which church it the True Church of God/Christ?
    Is it in the NAME we can judge? No!
    For there are new so called churches that grabed a verse from the Bible then use it to name their newfound Church to make it appear biblical.
    God’s Church should be about 2000 years old.She should have countinuously in existence,It should be historical,Biblical and holy in all her doctrines.It should be apostolic.
    It should be Started in Jerusalem then spread in Rome,then spread to the whole world.

    There is only one church that qualifies- the Catholic church which is the true church og God.

    • God wants His church to be historical and not ahistorical. If your church has no historical account of its 2000 years existence then it is safe to say that you were deceived.For the “church in the Bible” line is deceving by use of name game.
      ADD or MCGI could not present and historical proof that they are the TRUE Church of God. They have no connections with the apostles historically speaking.they may argue that biblically they are, yet this is just a product of their wishful thinking and nothing more.
      However,Historically we can trace ADD /MCGI history. They started in the Philippines and this is a fact,hence it didn’t started in Jerusalem,niether it was founded by Christ, nor it is ” the church in the Bible”.
      ADD is an offshot of Nicolas Perez Church,and Nicolas perez Church is an offshot of an offshot church that was led by an INC minister.

      Catholic church history is different it started in Jerusalem,founded by Christ in33AD.
      All this offshots are originally from the
      Catholic church. Remember Christ said many will “FALL AWAY” ,the orthodox fall away in 11th century,protestant in 16th century,from this protestants they kept protesting to each others thats why they are now numbered about 33,000 and counting. Manalo from Catholic to protestants,then he built his own. From INC we have the splintered groups then again splitted- then history witnessed the” BIRTH” of ADD/MCGI as another splintered group. Now we have Willy Santiago’s group.

      Well,now you can trace your” FAMILY
      TREE”(church history)
      Remember Christ said that he is the vine? and if these churches seperated or cut themselves of from the vine then you know what will happen.
      May God bless us all. To God be the glory!!!

      • Winnie says:

        February 11, 2012 at 2:02 am

        [God wants His church to be historical and not ahistorical. If your church has no historical account of its 2000 years existence then it is safe to say that you were deceived.For the “church in the Bible” line is deceving by use of name game.]

        Odan says:

        If the Catholic Church can claim its continuous history based on the bible therefore the true church is the Catholic Church. If ADD members agree that their church was recently founded and was registered with the SEC it is also safe to say that their church is like a mushroom that sprouted suddenly from the ground.

        Winnie says:

        [ADD or MCGI could not present and historical proof that they are the TRUE Church of God. They have no connections with the apostles historically speaking.they may argue that biblically they are, yet this is just a product of their wishful thinking and nothing more.]

        Odan says:

        I agree that ADD or MCGI cannot present historical proof and arguments that they are the true church that succeeded the apostles. Instead Mr. Eli Soriano uses ruse and deception to attract his would be followers.

        Winnie; Mr. Eli Soriano teaches his followers that they (MCGI) affiliated only to the church in the bible which is why they are all called only as “members”… meaning that Christ is their leader. If so and that MCGI is only an affiliate with the church in the bible my question to Mr. Eli Soriano is; what happened to the church that Christ built in Jerusalem as proof written in the bible? If the church suddenly disappeared what happened to the followers of the apostles? I am waiting for any authority from ADD to give a reply but until now ADD or Mr. Soriano cannot present answers to those questions. I can surmise that they have the same reasoning with the INC regarding this questions. Another teaching of Mr. Eli Soriano is that the first church was built in the wilderness of Sinai. Hehehe… This is the result of Mr. Eli Soriano’s private interpretation of the bible.

        Winnie says:

        [However,Historically we can trace ADD /MCGI history. They started in the Philippines and this is a fact,hence it didn’t started in Jerusalem, niether it was founded by Christ, nor it is ”the church in the Bible”.]

        Odan says:

        I agree!

        Winnie says:

        [ADD is an offshot of Nicolas Perez Church,and Nicolas perez Church is an offshot of an offshot church that was led by an INC minister.]

        Odan says:

        I agree!

        Winnie says:

        [Catholic church history is different it started in Jerusalem,founded by Christ in33AD.]

        Odan says:

        Which is why I asked this question that; if the church founded by Christ in Matthew 16:18 and to be precised that was in 33 AD in Jerusalem is not the Catholic Church then what church was that? Mr. Eli Soriano and the members of ADD answer that it was the church of God or MCGI. Their opinion is up to that point only because they cannot prove that MCGI is the church in the bible.

      • Winnie:
        Catholic church history is different it started in Jerusalem,founded by Christ in33AD.

        Hahahha! Are you sure? From what I know, the catholic church began when a STUPID EMPEROR of rome, Constantine, STOLE the scriptures, establish a NEW, POLITICALLY RULING RELIGION, and KILL any original Christian who will not be converted to his not so holy religion. And for the record, this happened on year 306 AD, when a significant percentage of the empire’s population had been converted into original Christians and that the Roman empire was loosing power.
        _________________________________________________________________________

        Winnie said:
        God’s Church should be about 2000 years old.She should have countinuously in existence,It should be historical, BIBLICAL and holy in all her doctrines.It should be apostolic.

        If the one true church is necessary to be biblical, then I will ask you, you spiritually blind person, WHY ALMOST ALL OF THE TEACHINGS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CONTRADICT TO WHAT IS WRITTEN ON THE BIBLE???

        Such as:
        1. Calling the Priests “Father” is forbidden
        “Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven. Matthew 23:9

        2. Praying repetitive words using Rosary beads is forbidden.
        “And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words. Matthew 6:7

        3. Virgin Mary
        Question: Did Jesus have brothers and sisters from the womb of Mary?
        Answer: “Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary, and His brothers, James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? “And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this man get all these things?” Matthew 13:55-56

        Question: The Bible says there is only one mediator between God and man. Is mary that one mediator?
        “For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” 1 Timothy 2:5

        Question: Catholics engage in endless praise of Mary. When a woman praised Jesus’ mother to his face, did Jesus commend encourage this woman to continue praising Mary?
        “While Jesus was saying these things, one of the women in the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You and the breasts at which You nursed.” But He said, “On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God and observe it.”” Luke 11:27-28

        11. Worshipping idols, icons and images violates the 2nd commandment.

        Question: Does the 2nd commandment approve of bowing down and kissing idols?
        “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or ANY LIKENESS of what is IN HEAVEN ABOVE(catholics make images of angels) or ON THE EARTH BENEATH(catholics has many graven saints and images of the UNREAL CHRIST) or IN THE WATER under the earth. You shall not worship them or SERVE them.” Exodus 20:4-5 (offering flowers is a kind of service not a veneration. so as to kiss or carry them around in procession)

        And many more of these man-made abominations! And oh!! Just a reminder WINNIE, DO NOT EVER DENY THESE PRACTICES FOR I AM A FORMER CATHOLIC!!!!

      • @Winnie-Now,the big question is which church it the True Church of God/Christ?
        Is it in the NAME we can judge? No! Hello Winnie…. your answer comes only from you and not from the Word of God in the Bible. the true church was called Church of God, you can find that more than 10 times in the Holy scriptures. ln the contrary, the name Roman Catholic Apostolic Church is nowhere to be found in the Bible even on the cover. The apostles did not use that name, they do not even know that name.

      • Winnie,

        Deuteronomy 4 NKJV

        27 And the Lord will scatter you among the peoples, and you will be left few in number among the nations where the Lord will drive you.

        28 And there you will serve gods, the work of men’s hands, wood and stone, which neither see nor hear nor eat nor smell.

        29 But from there you will seek the Lord your God, and you will find Him if you seek Him with all your heart and with all your soul.

        30 When you are in distress, and all these things come upon you in the latter days, when you turn to the Lord your God and obey His voice

        31 (for the Lord your God is a merciful God), He will not forsake you nor destroy you, nor forget the covenant of your fathers which He swore to them.

        Where are you currently on the said stages of the prophecy?

        John 12:49 NKJV
        For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak.

      • What you don’t understand winnie is we didn’t create our own church. We cleave to the church in the bible that Apostle Paul teaches (Romans 12:9 and 1Cor1:1-2,9). That is why MCGI stands for (Members of the Church of God Internayional). If your church is same church in the bible why did the gates of hell prevail in it? Remember when the pope embraced the cross to ask forgivness from the millions that was killed by your church or you’re just too blind to see?

      • yes, we acknowledge the 2000 years (or is it?) of ‘continuous’ existence of your roman catholicism, though not as The One True Church, but as the Whore described in the Bible!

      • Odan said :
        Winnie; Mr. Eli Soriano teaches his followers that they (MCGI) affiliated only to the church in the bible which is why they are all called only as “members”… meaning that Christ is their leader. If so and that MCGI is only an affiliate with the church in the bible my question to Mr. Eli Soriano is; what happened to the church that Christ built in Jerusalem as proof written in the bible? If the church suddenly disappeared what happened to the followers of the apostles?

        bambi says :

        I John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

        I Juan 2:24 Tungkol sa inyo, ay manahan sa inyo ang inyong narinig buhat nang pasimula. Kung manahan sa inyo yaong buhat nang pasimula ay inyong narinig, kayo naman ay mananahan sa Anak, at sa Ama.

        St John wrote us no new things or commandments (I John 2:7). We cleave (Romans 12:9) into the church that the apostles introduced (ICor 1::1-2). Christians is being called in the church of God and no other church. As per St James (James 1:27) there is only one true and pure religion and that is what they taught us that there are no new teachings or commandments as per St John. So where are the followers of the apostles? Apostles are the follower of Christ so christian is not a follower of the apostles but of Christ. Yet we can also say that if the apostles are follower of Christ then we follow the apostles that follow Christ. Simple logic isn’t it? So you are now asking “If the church suddenly disappeared what happened to the followers of the apostles? ” The Church didn’t disappear they hid themselves and became untracable even in your history.The reason why they hid is because many are prosecuting them including romans. See apostles are meticulous regarding writing the scriptures, for it is the word of God. The reason why St John said there is no new things is because there are antichrist such as yours that is trying to change what was written by the apostles. That is why in the posted verse above St John said ” I John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.”

        Now are we wrong if we didn’t change the name of the the church in the bible? Is it wrong if we abide on which we have heard from the apostles from the beginning? No, because it is written, “If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.”

        Just be Open minded or may I say open hearted Mr Odan

    • i appreciate your replies Winnie. i would love to respond to all of them if i find the time. but right now, i’ll try to make this post straight and concise.

      Ok, i think you’re completely lost. The Church isn’t a race or bloodline that needs to trace its genes from 2 thousand years back like what you’ve boasted before. If that’s true. it would be unfair for the gentiles. The bible simply states that if everyone who is in Christ and his heart does according to the LORD’s will as is written in the Scripture, that person is a new creation and is part of the Church. You seem to be implying that it wouldn’t matter if the people of your Church becomes un-Godly or un-Christian at some point in those 2000 years time (which they did in their crusades; murdering jews,innocent people etc.) and that God will always be at your side because according to you your Church is founded earlier than ADD. Well, if you’d read the OT, you will know that the LORD keeps His Promises to the righteous, but not to the ungodly. Now, let me ask you one important question: is the Catholic Church has a “connection” with Christ? come on, you know what i mean with “connection”. (Hint: it’s not about proof of origin, or if ever Peter was your pope) Are you 100% confident that that connection has never been “cut off” in Her 2000 years of existence? Just base your answer on what is the Catholic Church is now, her practices, teachings, traditions, history,etc.

      The apostles lives in the bible. the Word itself is in the bible. Therefore you can’t claim that your Church is the only apostolic or biblical religion. And I can’t believe that you’d continue to press on shallow things like ‘time’ or ‘age’, and play the “who’s-the-older-church” game here, when in truth there has only been One Church from the beginning and it extends to all generations. The gift of the Holy Spirit is not bounded by time.

      Winnie said: “Remember Christ said many will “FALL AWAY”

      My Reply:
      The emphasis shouldn’t be on the “fall away”, because that’s already so obvious everyone could have prophesied about it. But if you put the emphasis on the word “MANY”, now that’s some serious and specific prophesying. Come to think of it, that prophecy is SO TRUE these days! Am i right?

      Winnie said: “However,our faith requires reason,that means that we should hold good reason for us as a basis fo believing supernatural.”

      Indeed? If you’re really a rational person you would have left catholicism long ago. What kind of reason does your faith has? All the ‘reasons’ point that catholicism is NOT the True Church. Catholicism wasn’t from Jerusalem, but from Rome. It was created as a compromise between Paganism & Christianity (hence Christmas, Valentines, Easter. really?). The bible states that there should not be a compromise between his people & pagans at any point.

      to be continued..🙂

      • In reply to your other post, ADD or MCGI is just a group name! It is not a completely new faith! why are you targeting and arguing such shallow and desperate topics? if you’re uncomfortable with the many church names (ADD, MCGI, INC, ABCDEFG, etc), then blame the ungodly government because they’ll require you to have your church some sort of patent to avoid lawsuits from a group with the same church group name. It’s like a race of “who-can-invent-the-most-glorious-church-name-first” Can you believe it? The government/legal system shouldn’t have been separated from the Church/God’s Divine Laws. it’s a terrible mistake made by men!

        Anywya, the truth is theres only One Church! it doesn’t matter what the small groups names are.

        and oh it’s a shame that now i’m speaking you’re language: SHALLOW.
        this is an embarassing post but that’s only because i’m willing to stoop down to your level and try to make things clear for everybody.

      • Lito,
        Bro, you said that your church is not NEW,well atleast you are stating what you believe and I believe tha is what you were taught by bro Eli.

        Now, because you claim that it is not NEW, let me ask you these:

        1.How old is your church?
        2.Can you tell me any (one )member of your church in each century going back to the apostles?
        3.Who is the first member in the Philippines?

      • Lito,
        You should read and try to understand arguments before you comment on it. First, I never said anything about geneaology or blood line. Catholic teaching is Apostolic sucession. When Judas died, St Peter said that there is a need to
        replace Judas in his office( being an apostle and a bishop) Now, this pattern of laying of hands to become bishop is still in practice today. So each Bishop can trace their predessesors that leads up to the apostles. Remember Christ said this, As the Father sent me I send you, and also, ‘ who listen to you listened to me and the one who sent me’
        Of course they were sent with a real purpose, to real people ,that is to “teach”, makes disciples,baptise. …until the end of time.
        St.Paul knows that the apostles cannot do all the teachings hence, this delegated power and authority is to be pass on. 2Timothy 2:2, And the things you heared from
        me among many witnesses,commit them to these faithful men who will be able to teach others.”
        See, There are real person involved not imaginary. There is a successions not self appointment. There is no break in the presence of authority of the Church. Again ,Saint Paul attest to this belief, Ephesian 3:21,” to him the glory in the CHURCH and in Jesus Christ to ALL GENERATIONS, forever and ever. Amen.

        This simply means that his church at no point will vanish on the face of the earth. Furthermore, the Church is said to be the light of the world(christians) and this light s not meant to be hidden with a bushel shell (Matthew 5).
        Please, learn and accept the TRUTH.

      • I’m aware that you didn’t mention a thing bout genealogy, but i’m certain you made it sound like you did in that post. You’ve already bragged about how your priests “have had personal/physical contact” with the Apostles via impositio manus, and so on and so forth, even when you’ve got NO PROOF at all. And i’m amazed how confident you are on your belief that the “apostolic successions” of your church has always remained unflawed and untainted and uncorrupted in all those years! When just the account of your TYRANT power-hungry popes is enough to disprove that claim! Remember, satan now walks among us, and considering that your so-called ‘succession’ is not just by one person at a time, (since your church “authorized” many priests to teach your man-made doctrines during the first decade) In statistics, the probability and the propagation of error increases as the sample size increases (add the factor of 2000 years time) and what do you get? Imagine playing the “Pass the Message” childrens game for 2000 years with over billions of players. you’ll have the Truth(the preserved bible) on one side, and GARBAGE(catholic modifications) on the far end. Of course this is just theoretical, since you’ve still got NO EVIDENCE to prove that your catholic priests/popes indeed have had first-hand contact with the Apostles. And that’s the reason why I likened it to genes getting passed down/inherited, because you’re the one who brought it up. If you’re lost now, I’m sorry. I know i should just focus replying on the important parts of your post and not on the senseless red-herrings. But that’s just because i’m having a hard time finding substance from your other posts. I’ll try to be coherent next time. I pray you do the same.

        Winnie said:
        “This simply means that his church at no point will vanish on the face of the earth.”

        Well, thanks for pointing out the obvious. but here’s what the bible has to say: “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.” Matthew 7:15. Of course the Church will not cease to exist since the LORD keeps His Promise, but it doesn’t mean that satan won’t ever try to deceive people once again and attempt to mislead the flock. That’s why it’s said in Matthew 24:13 “he who stands firm to the end will be saved” meaning that there WILL ALWAYS BE people who are tempted to believe in LIES. How many people? Christ said MANY will fall away from the Church. (Currently, The Roman Catholic Church is the largest denomination for any religion worldwide with over 1.1 BILLION members) What kind of LIES? Mass, Christmas, St. Valentine, Easter, etc. By the way, notice how I used all the verses you cited in your posts against you? That’s because all the pieces fit in place, and everything makes logical sense.

        “Catholic doctrine teaches that the Roman Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ” But who taught you that catholic doctrine?? MEN, of course, since it is already proven fact that Catholicism doctrines are man-made/inventions of man. (proof: your whole vatican archive) Your popes are just acting all-god in their holier-than-thou attitude and think they have Divine authority to add/modify/omit from the Scriptures preserved for centuries. Ergo, it’s became full of contradictions/inconsistencies (which is very evident today) and therefore is not free of LIES anymore. Catholicism is pseudochristianity.

      • As for your questions, here are my answers:

        1.) Why are you so obsessed with “church age” as if one’s salvation ultimately depends on it? Won’t you feel awkward if you or i answer your question with a measly finite number, say 2000 years old? It only shows that you really confine the Church in an insignificant frame. but just for the sake of answering… the Church of YHWH has been since Moses (Acts 7:38), Finished and completed through Christ (the ‘rock’), CORRUPTED by catholics for like a thousand years, and finally RESTORED today (i’m not saying it’s being restored by ADD alone, but by people with God-Given Wisdom all over the world. If you don’t know what ‘restore’ means go grab a dictionary. i think you’re the one confusing it with the word “NEW” or “modified”). Anyway, the Church isn’t a physical entity, it doesn’t matter how old or ripe it is for it to have authority over others, because it is the ONLY Authority. We are with the Church in spirit, not with an aging body. That’s why i agree with you when you said “christianity didn’t died out with the apostles, in truth it served as inspiration to their followers…” and the verse Ephesian 3:21. I’d like to cite some other verses from the Scriptures to back these up, but I’m sure you already read them in my previous posts as well as other’s here over and over again. I pray that you’ll get it this time.

        2. I’m going to be honest here, NO SIR I CAN’T🙂 but hey, wasn’t I the one who originally posed that question to you? CAN YOUR CHURCH TRACE YOUR “Apostolic Succesion” back to Jesus Christ? I’m afraid you too can’t. If you’re gonna say and brag about Peter as your pope again, you must back that up on your next reply with sound reasoning. Anyway, since none of us can prove it, now tell me, between our two given churches, who do you think is more “Apostolic” in teaching and doctrines? This is just plain observation sir. Did Jesus Christ know about purgatory and limbo especially if it’s so important? Did He mentioned anything in the Scriptures about infant baptism if it’s so important? Was HE Baptized an infant as shown in your blasphemous catholic paintings? How about statues of Him? Did the Apostles immediately erected a big statue honoring Him just like zeus or a pagan god, if that’s so important? Heck your church didn’t even know what the real Jesus Christ looked like! He’s not white nor long-haired as pictured in your church windows. It’s a blasphemous stereotypical italian version of Christ. and did you know? there are also many blasphemous and distorted images of an asian Christ and a famous Chinese Christ made by catholics all over the world. Extremely insulting, isn’t it? How can you catholics be so ignorant? You didn’t just break the Commandment, you even insulted the Messiah! If you don’t know what Christ looked like, why can’t you catholics just shut up and worship Him in Spirit since Christ’s Spirit/the Holy Spirit is more important than the physical image.

        3. i’m too tired to answer this senseless unwarranted question. Is this really important? REALLY? Indeed, the members of a church reflect the church (just as you reflect your catholicism) i agree with that, but i think this last question is just beyond stupid to answer. Besides if i were to answer this, you might ask next who’s the 2nd, 3rd and the 67th member, spawning another irrelevant topic. and wait, aren’t you supposed to be the one to answer this in defense of your catholic church?

      • Dear Winnie,

        It’s so hard to maintain a good debate with you, especially on your second post here. You’re always citing (or story-telling) truths from the Bible that we have already acknowledged as TRUE, so naturally i have no choice but to agree in most parts. But then you start JUMPING to your Catholicism AGAIN and start replacing and assuming the word ‘Church’ in the Scriptures as your beloved ‘catholic church’ WITHOUT REALLY CONNECTING ANYTHING OR PROVIDING EVIDENCE TO IT. In case you haven’t noticed, we’ve been through cycles of this already:

        (1)you start to defend catholicism,
        (2)we ask for proof,
        (3)you throw it back to us,
        (4)we humbly accept we can’t defend our ‘origin’ since you want a “Time-Tested” proof (which btw, has no bearing on this whole argument),

        (1)you restart again by mentioning a catholic term,
        (2)we ask for proof,
        (3)you throw it back at us, etc. etc.
        see how messy it gets?

      • Hi I have a question for you Winnie: Did it ever cross your mind that just one misled/deceived person in your church is ENOUGH to RUIN that whole supposed “succession”? Remember your church had gained bilions of members over the centuries. Imagine… that very person in your church was a pope (say, Pope Alexander VI) imagine their power of influence!

  15. Toto,really?Lito,
    May the TRUTH bring you peace and may God bless you abundantly.
    First of all, I would like to tell you that I love having dialogue with you. I this way we could share what each one of us believes. We should love our faith otherwise we shouldn’t have one. However,our faith requires reason,that means that we should hold good reason for us as a basis fo believing supernatural. Since we have a common ground,such as belief in a loving and Almighty God,the Bible and christian values then we can respectfully argue our case without becoming somebody we hate.
    Really, you provided list of topics attacking Catholics, however, you can not possible prove them all at once. the fact that you haven’t elaborate or made a case against them makes it like a hit and run. As I don’t have the all the time to present my defence, please be fair, will you?
    Toto,
    I want you to read further and try to umderstand as if you are not an ADD, that would make you less bias against the Church.
    All those codices,Alexandrians, Sinaictacus and Vaticanus are all Catholics. Let me explain. Before the 11th century the Orthodox were part of the Catholic Church,as simple as that.
    There were hundreds of competing books named after the Apostles yet there were only 27 books that was included.
    My question to you is simple, Which of the 27 books is not part of the Bible? If all of them is part of the Bible then it follows that the Church that made this list did not made a mistake. This is true because as what St. Paul said,” The Church of the Living God is the foundation and pillar of TRUTH. Which church is this? It is the Catholic Church. Remember that there is no list made by the apostles or in the Bible.

    It was only during the time of Consrantine And after him that councils were possibly made for different reasons, one of them was because, it was only at that time that christianity was legalised,thus they were not running away and hiding anymore.

    Yes, God preserves His words or the Bible, amen to that,however, we also know that God uses his Church as an instrument to guide us into all truth. If we don’t stand on this church Which St. Paul described as foundation of truth then we are in trouble.Besides we know that God founded a Church and we know that it will not be overcome by the gates of hell. If God laid the foundation of that Church we can be sure that it will last not because of we human but because of him. I can’t imagine that God made a promise but he can’t keep it.

    You cannot even find a time Catholic Church doesn’t exist.(from the time of the apostles and Christ),and also you cannot find any otherelse.

    Bro Eli can never proved that there is a movement of direction in Malachi 1:11.
    He cannot prove that a singular “pure offering” is not the mass. There is no way that all the prayerS, and praiseS are described as ” a pure offering” neither any sacrifice mentioned in the OT.
    God gave authority to the Church and not to a sugo/pantas/preacher of the last days. In-fact it was the Church in which Christ said, I will be with you UNTIL the end of time.

    • Winnie said: “Bro Eli can never proved that there is a movement of direction in Malachi 1:11.
      He cannot prove that a singular “pure offering” is not the mass. There is no way that all the prayerS, and praiseS are described as ” a pure offering” neither any sacrifice mentioned in the OT.”

      My Reply:
      Wow, you’re playing devil’s proof now? Just because you can’t prove your own traditions/mass doesn’t mean you can give us the burden of proof! No sir, we won’t do the proving for you catholics. (because the fact is, there isn’t any proof!) If you can’t find solid proof for your mass, that’s not our problem.

      • Lito,
        denying the facts doesn’t equal to absence of it. I gave you the Church teachings about it. Remember that it was the Church who received the mission to do so, not a pantas o “prophet in the last days” who Christ mentioned in Matthew 24.

        Odan did not said that the Catholic church who wrote the Old testament.He said that the codex Vaticanus,Alexandrian,Sinaictacus were all Catholics for the reason that at that time these were written the Orthodox Church were still part of the Catholic church.

        Erasmus the first Bible? Is this what you learned from Bro Eli? Well that is far from the Truth. Dig harder my freind. Even Erasmus Bible was based on Catholic Bible -Latin Vulgate+ from the Church fathers who were Catholics.

        May God guide you to his Church.

      • Erasmus, a forced catholic, was the creator/translator of the first Bible to be published. I’m pretty sure I didn’t fail to mention the word “publish” on that post. That makes him the ‘publish-er’, (you’ll know that if you try to use your brain a little.) And don’t be foolish, I didn’t said he wrote the first “Scripture” or “Book” if that’s how you understood it. I was talking about the “Bible” as we know it today, as the collection of Holy Books throughout history. Sure your catholics COMPILED them, but does that make Her the True Church? You’re the one who needs to dig harder.

  16. Romans 12:9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

    Roma12:9 Ang pagibig ay maging walang pagpapaimbabaw. Kapootan ninyo ang masama; makisanib kayo sa mabuti.

    Winnie take this sample from St Paul “Love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil”. Your catholic church doctrines is a product of evil starting from the name of your church, the mostnotorious and notorious popes. And to think that the pope is the overall leader of your church that shown that evil did prevail in your church. Your members most of the politicians in our country are catholic and many are corrupt and still they are being accepted in your church. Take our national hero Jose Rizal he himself is against preist and also indicated that purgatory can’t be found in the scripture cover to cover. How can you say now that we need to turn ourselves to your church. How can you say that yours is the true church?

    The last words are “cleave to that which is good.” What good is it in your church we can cleave into? I don’t have to explain our side see our work and with Gods help and mercy you might see the truth.

  17. well what can i say….the dumbest being i’ve ever encountered….who is it? you all know….hopeless being….completely hopeless….such a waste of time reading a fairy tale from a critic….

    • I couldn’t agree more brother! Although it pains me to give up on arguing these fools who can’t even differentiate a truth from a lie, but I guess it really can’t be helped.

      Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

      I don’t know if these people will ever understand the wisdom of God.

      As what the Bible says:
      Mat 7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

  18. To Odan and Winnie

    Matthew 28:19-20 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

    Mateo 28:19-20 Dahil dito magsiyaon nga kayo, at gawin ninyong mga alagad ang lahat ng mga bansa, na sila’y inyong bautismuhan sa pangalan ng Ama at ng Anak at ng Espiritu Santo: Na ituro ninyo sa kanila na kanilang ganapin ang lahat ng mga bagay na iniutos ko sa inyo: at narito, ako’y sumasa inyong palagi, hanggang sa katapusan ng sanglibutan.

    When Christ left the apostles he said “Teaching them to observe ALL THINGS whatsoever I have COMMANDED (past participle) you”. Would the apostle add something in what Christ have taught them? Christ never said will command you in the future. Is there anything that needs to be added?

    I Juan 2:7 Mga minamahal, wala akong isinusulat sa inyo na anomang bagong utos, kundi ang dating utos na nasa inyo buhat nang pasimula; ang dating utos ay ang salita na inyong narinig.

    I John 2:7 Brethren, I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which ye have heard from the beginning.

    It is Clear Winnie and Odan in the words of the apostles and Christ Himself. As per apostle John “I write no new commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning.”

    You know how we are connected to the church in the bible?

    I John 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father

    We abide from what we have heard from the beginning from Christ. And if it remain in us apostle John said “ye also shall CONTINUE in the Son, and in the Father.” That fills out the historical gap you are claiming that we have which we don’t have any gaps at all. How would you fill your gap?

  19. Codex Vaticanus written in Egypt (Alexandria) at the 4th century. The text of Codex Vaticanus collected from one region of Alexandria’s Egypt.

    Codex Sinaiticus written in Egypt (Alexandria) at the 4th century. Constantin Tischendorf discovered1844 the Codex Sinaiticus from Mount Sinai, St. Catherine’s monastery.

    Manuscripts of Codex Vaticanus and the Codex Sinaiticus are not as reliable as the Byzantine text. The Byzantine text had been assembled in Greece, Constantinople, Asia Minor, Africa, Alexandria, Gaul, southern Italy, Sicily, England and Ireland.

    The Bible tells us that the apostles traveled in Israel, Syria, Greece, Turkey, Italy and Asia Minor. These churches were certainly kept the original letters of the apostles Peter and Paul and the Gospels in the original form when they copied them forward. Discoveries of the Byzantine texts from the many same places where the Early Church preached the gospel is the evidence that Byzantine text corresponds in the best way the message of the New Testament original texts.

    Sinaiticus has 9000 passages differently than Textus Receptus. Sinaiticus omits 4000 words from gospels and added 1000 words. Sinaiticus diverges also plenty of Vaticanus. Text of Sinaiticus has written carelessly, letters, words and entire sentences have been written twice and omitted sentences. Several corrections have been made to Sinaiticus many hundreds years later than it was originally written. Greek Bible scholar Frederik Scrivener has said that to Sinaiticus has been made systemically many thousands corrections (changes) in 6th and 7th centuries. Roman Catholic Church defends the text of Codex Sinaiticus. The evidence shows for us that changed and corrected text of Codex Sinaiticus don’t represent loyal manuscript of the New Testament.

    Vaticanus’ text omits 1491 words and sentences. Vaticanus’ text has been made additions, omits and corrections (changes). Vaticanus omits many important Bible passages, for example, Hebrew 9:14 – 13:25, in other words, the whole end of this letter. Roman Catholic Church favors the text of Vaticanus. Hebr 10:10-12 cancel completely the doctrine of purgatory and for this reason Vaticanus omits completely the end of the epistle to the Hebrews, because it totally cancels Catholic Church’s purgatory doctrine. It is obvious that Vaticanus’ additions, omits, corrections and changes have been made to support non-biblical doctrines of Roman Catholic Church. Because non-biblical doctrine of Roman Catholic Church is not the Bible, so they twisted their manuscript correspond to their heretic doctrines. Vaticanus originally omits the book of Revelation, Paul’s letter to Philemon and pastoral letters.

    The text of Vaticanus is only 50% compatible with Textus Receptus. Vaticanus’ text has almost 8000 diverges from the text of Textus Receptus. Vaticanus don’t mention several thousands keywords and omits 1000 sentences and 500 subordinate clauses. Vaticanus has 500 added extra words, replace or change almost 2000 words and changes about 2000 original word order. According to researches of linguistics’ text of Vaticanus is classic and platonic, not Koine Greek. Koine Greek is the original language of Greek New Testament text.

    These evidence shows for us that Vaticanus is not reliable New Testament text, but unreliable and work of counterfeit. Vaticanus’ text additions, omits, corrections and changes make it doubtful and counterfeited manuscript by which have tried to support heretic doctrines of Roman Catholic Church.

    Site reference http://koti.phnet.fi/petripaavola/Biblemanuscripts.html

    • Telson7,
      Too many allegations, too little substance,where are the evidence, you’d only given someone’s opinion as your evidence.
      Let me tell you that those codices have diferrences but it does’t imply that they were corrupted. These are variant translations. You are trying to pitch them against each other. My advice to you is to present evidence to substantiate your claim.
      If the Byzantine text is right, you still have to admit that its not ADD or MCGI, It is still a Catholic document as at that time they were part of our church.

      • Read all about them and you will see that there are indeed differences, it only shows that my claim is true, that before the Catholic Church proclaimed which books belong to the Bible ( both Old and New Testament). Prior to that we only have collections of books. This is why it is called the Church of the living God the foundation and pillar of truth, now we have the right canon of the Holy Bible.

        Glory to God forever! Amen!

      • Winnie says:
        Too many allegations, too little substance,where are the evidence, you’d only given someone’s opinion as your evidence.

        —-What about those books, chapters and verses written above?? aren’t they evidences to you? if not then what are they? flowery words??
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        Winnie says:
        Let me tell you that those codices have diferrences but it does’t imply that they were corrupted. These are variant translations. You are trying to pitch them against each other. My advice to you is to present evidence to substantiate your claim.

        Is addition, omitting, correction and changing the words considered TRANSLATION??? then i would like you to read your dictionary and see what the word translation really means!
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        Such poor logic! I recommend knowing before speaking/writing!

  20. And the unrighteousness of the wicked can’t overcome the teachings of the preachers of God.

    Luke 21:13-15
    Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer. For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

    • Rekkosushin,
      please read more about it, hopefully you will be more humble about it next time.
      For start. Let me tell you that those codices were not exactly alike, some of the books in those codices were not in our Bible today. Now, if you just read more about it then atleast you will be able to relate to its correct implcations.
      I will tell you all about it, just do your assignment first.
      May God open your eyes and humble your heart.

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  22. Thanks be to God! Good day Bro. Eli your explanation are precise and accurate and has its evidences but how about the claims of the so-called, BAPTIST. Who claims through the booklet written by B.H. Carrol stating and illustrating the successive linage of the church Jesus has built they say.

    I hope you can provide me information about these.

    Thank you and God bless!

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