Salvation Outside the True Church 2


We always welcome comments knowing that some will be favorable to us and others will be against us but still favorable to us! The truth will always have its enemy.

THE ACTS 13:10

And said, O full of all subtlety and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

The cohorts of the devil will even use lies to attempt to destroy the indestructible truth of God!

MATTHEW 5:11

Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

But the truth, in whatever angle you look at it, will be the truth!

JOHN 17:17

Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

The truth is fact! And here are the following facts. Let us look at things the biblically mathematical way, the biblically logical way, and the biblically sensible way that can be understood by the wise and the biblically prudent people!

I CORINTHIANS 10:15

I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.

DANIEL 12:10

Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

The facts are:

1. The Lord Jesus built a church.

MATTHEW 16:18

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

2. It is not His own church that He built.

HEBREWS 3:4

For every house is builded by some man; but He that built all things is God.

3. He is talking and acting according to the instruction of the real builder and owner of the church which is God.

JOHN 12:49

For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

JOHN 5:19 (RSV)

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what He sees the Father doing; for whatever He does, that the Son does likewise.

JOHN 14:10

Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

4. The church built by the Father through Christ is the Church of God.

II CORINTHIANS 1:1

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

I TIMOTHY 3:15

But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

5. The true church first existed in Jerusalem and the nearby areas of the Holy land.

ACTS 8:1

And Saul was consenting unto his death. And at that time there was a great persecution against the church which was at Jerusalem; and they were all scattered abroad throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles.

6. Jerusalem is the designated starting point of the preaching of the church and salvation, and not Rome.

LUKE 24:47

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

7. The Lord Jesus can see the hearts of all people even beyond the boundaries of the Holy land.

JOHN 2:24-25

24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he 

knew what was in man.

8. The Lord Jesus know that there are people considered as His sheep outside of the church, both within Jerusalem and beyond.

JOHN 10:16

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

ACTS 26:17-18

17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,

18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

9. Not all people, especially the Gentiles, will hear the teachings and the law of Christ before they die, but will be justified. These certainly are not members of the true church, but because they have done the good things of the law, they will be saved come judgment day!

THE ROMANS 2:13-14

13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

MATTHEW 25:32-40

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, 

Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was hungry, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

These are not brethren in the church, but considered as sheep (those at the right hand) and have done good to the brethren of Christ in the church.

The sheep in the fold and those “other sheep” which are not of the fold will be brought by Christ and they all will have one shepherd.

JOHN 10:16, 3

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.

The one shepherd mentioned is not anybody but Christ, the Lamb that will shepherd all those that will be saved.

REVELATION 7:17

For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of living water; and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

Manalo has no pinch of capability to shepherd all the sheep of the Lord, even to call them by name, for no human can remember all the names of all those that will be saved, save the Lord Jesus who knows all men!

JOHN 2:24-25

24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,

25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.

REVELATION 7:9, 13-14, 17 (RSV)

9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no man could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

13 Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and whence have they come?” 

14 I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

17 For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of living water; and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

10. The present population of the world can still be numbered.

World Population:

has reached 6 billion in 1999 

is predicted to reach 7 billion on October 31, 2011

has doubled in 40 years from 1959 (3 billion) to 1999 (6 billion)

is currently growing at a rate of around 1.15 % per year

growth rate reached its peak in the late 1960s, when it was at 2%

growth rate is currently declining and is projected to continue to decline in the coming years

average annual population change is currently estimated at over 77 million

world population will nearly stabilize at just above 10 billion persons after 2200

a tremendous change occurred with the industrial revolution: whereas it had taken all of human history up to the year 1800 for world population to reach 1 billion, the second billion was achieved in only 130 years (1930), the third billion in less than 30 years (1959), the fourth billion in 15 years (1974), the fifth billion in 13 years (1987), the sixth billion in 12 years (1999) and the seventh billion in 12 years (2011). During the 20th century alone, the population in the world has grown from 1.65 billion to 6 billion.

Sources for the world population counter:

 HYPERLINK “http://esa.un.org/unpd/wpp/index.htm” \t “_blank” World Population Prospect: the 2010 Revision Database(United Nations Population Division of the Department of Economic and Social Affairs) – May 3, 2011

 HYPERLINK “http://www.census.gov/population/international/” \t “_blank” International Programs Center at the U.S. Census 

( HYPERLINK “http://www.worldometers.info/” http://www.worldometers.info/)

Those sheep that will be saved cannot be counted by any human.

REVELATION 7:9

After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no man could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

No established religion has reached this proportion of membership! Meanwhile, the members of the Catholic Church can easily be counted by an ordinary man with the aid of the computer! Even all the great religions of the world (great in number but not in any manner of truth and sanctity) can claim an innumerable membership, to wisely conclude, (except for insanity) that outside of their church there is no salvation! 

See the logic?

Just me, but sincerely yours,

Bro. Eli

 



131 thoughts on “Salvation Outside the True Church 2

  1. The detractors can only say few words or sentences falsely and without solid basis. They cannot even defend their own religion & their practices. They may try to connect reasoning from the Bible but the same bounds back on them disposing their known stinking ideas.

    But look how great is God’s justice and mercy for all of mankind. For you detractors, listen to Bro. Eli. There is not a single preacher from other religions around the world, by God’s grace, in the present times, who can understand the Bible more fully than Bro. Eli.

    TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!!

  2. Most churches and religious leaders today judge other religion that they have no salvation. It is not biblical.

    (1Corinthians 5:13)
    As for those who are outside, GOD is their judge. So put away the evil man from among you.

    • Beiruth says:

      [Most churches and religious leaders today judge other religion that they have no salvation. It is not biblical.]

      Reply:

      If so… what is that biblical church and where did it originate in the bible? Where can we find this firstborn church? Who are the members of this church?

  3. you didn’t show the whole topic(Pasugo), so that anyone could enlightened that God commissioned a messenger, not only Christ but also Bro FYM.

    Question to ADD, are going to save if you are outside the church after hearing/learning the truth?

    • rmanan asked:

      Question to ADD, are going to save if you are outside the church after hearing/learning the truth?

      bambi says :

      I don’t know much but let me try.

      Brethren in Asia was turned from the church. Yet Apostol Paul wished the house of Onesiphorus to gain mercy from the Lord even if they were turned away from the church.

      2 Timothy 1:15-17

      15This thou knowest, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me; of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes.

      16The Lord give mercy unto the house of Onesiphorus; for he oft refreshed me, and was not ashamed of my chain:

      17But, when he was in Rome, he sought me out very diligently, and found me.

      For me that means that there is still mercy outside the church.

      James 2:13

      13For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and mercy rejoiceth against judgment.

      May God bless you that one day you be enlightened with the true teachings of God.

    • Even if the whole Pasugo be displayed, it’s conclusion remains the same – that Felix Manalo claimed he is the one pastor mentioned in John 10:16. But reality tells he is incapable of shepherding the whole flock.

      It’s not too late, brother. Please try to contemplate, look in a different perspective setting aside biases, and you’ll see a different point of view the next time you read what Bro. Eli preaches. Try it!

  4. Another great blog by the man given (by God) the gift of understanding His words. Thank you bro. eli for once again showing God’s love for all men; and for showing that truly our Lord Jesus Christ to this day still continues to preach to us — through His written words and His “instrument.”

    Thank you also for once again proving the ignorance of these religious groups when it comes to God’s words.

    Truly, “none of the wicked shall understand… but the wise shall understand”

    Thanks be to God!

    • @manny… if you think that Mr. Eli Soriano is given (by God) the gift of understanding will you tell me why he cannot explain MCGI as the true church but instead lambasting other churches as fake?

  5. Here are the facts according to Mr. Eli Soriano of MCGI about their interpretation of the Church of Christ… and also my reply.

    1. The Lord Jesus built a church.

    Reply: The Church built by Jesus Christ is the Catholic Church. This can be proven through reading of history and the truth that the Catholic Church has its apostolic succession. Mr. Eli Soriano cannot prove apostolic succession and history in MCGI therefore his church is bogus.

    2. It is not His own church that He built.

    Reply: It is! Christ built his own Church. In MATTHEW 16:18… it says;

    “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

    In HEBREWS 3:4… it says;

    “For every house is builded by some man; but He that built all things is God.”

    This is a rhetorical text and it is talking of a house and not a church. The “house” mentioned is the house of Israel… because if you read Hebrews 3:1-3… it says;

    1Therefore, holy brothers, you who share in a heavenly calling, consider Jesus, the apostle and high priest of our confession, 2who was faithful to him who appointed him, just as Moses also was faithful in all God’s house. 3For Jesus has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses—as much more glory as the builder of a house has more honor than the house itself.

    What does it mean?

    In verse 2 it says; Moses faithful to all God’s house [the Israelites]. And in verse 3 it says that; Jesus has more glory than Moses [Remember that Moses is the leader of the Israelites the chosen people of God.]-as much more glory as the builder of a house has more honor than the house itself. Why??? Jesus has more glory than Moses, has more honor than the house itself because Jesus is God and the second person in the Blessed Trinity. It means that Jesus is also the builder of the house of Israel… BUT; the Jews do not admit until these days.

    3. He is talking and acting according to the instruction of the real builder and owner of the church which is God.

    Reply: The builder of the house is God. And the [second person in the Blessed Trinity] Jesus, is the actual builder of the Catholic Church mentioned in Matthew 16:18. Do not confuse the house of Israel and the Church. Until today no gentile can be admitted to Judaism until today which is why in JOHN 10:16… Jesus said;

    “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.”

    This; “other sheep I have,” spoken by Jesus is the house of Israel he built before he became man. That until these days the Jews do not believe in Jesus which is why He wants to bring them and listen his voice to be one fold with us the gentiles and Him as our shepherd.

      • red c says:

        what!!!! where in the bible can you read catholic? c’mon man be honest to yourself…..

        Reply:

        The New Testament was written in greek. The first gentile converts were greek and they wrote the N.T. in greek. The word “catholic” comes from a greek word. It’s in the greek bible. But I bet you cannot find MCGI in the bible.

      • Odan Matig-a says:

        The New Testament was written in greek. The first gentile converts were greek and they wrote the N.T. in greek. The word “catholic” comes from a greek word. It’s in the greek bible. But I bet you cannot find MCGI in the bible.

        Bambi says :

        It is a greek word but it is not in the bible.
        MCGI – Members of the Church of God International.

        In 1 Corinthians 1:2 there are members of the Church of God in Corinth and today it is already International. That is the reason we are MCGI. The truth is you can find CHURCH OF GOD in the bible and not a word of the roman catholic church in the bible.

      • red c says:

        what!!!! where in the bible can you read catholic? c’mon man be honest to yourself…..

        Reply:

        Before we go on further please tell me where can we find MCGI in the bible. Mr. Eli Soriano said that your church is only an affiliate of the church of god in the bible. If so… is that church in existence today? Is that church you affiliated still in existence in Judea and Samaria?

      • @ odan: kindly check out these verses:

        Church of GOD is mentioned 11 times in the Douay-Rheims version, a catholic Bible.

        Neh 13:1, Acts 20:28, 1 Cor 1:2, 1 Cor 10:32, 1 Cor 11:16, 1 Cor 11:22, 1 Cor 15:9, 2 Cor 1:1, Gal 1:13, Phil 3:6

        Depending on the location, we have Church of GOD in Corinth, Church of GOD in Laodicea, etc. The Church is now being established in various countries, so we have the word “international”. So we can coin “Church of GOD International”.

        Now, the Church was already established around 2 thousand years ago by CHRIST. No one has the right to establish a new Church. So we decided to join that Church. So now we have Members Church of GOD International, or MCGI.

    • From below, you said: The New Testament was written in greek. The first gentile converts were greek and they wrote the N.T. in greek. The word “catholic” comes from a greek word. It’s in the greek bible

      Are you talking about the explanation on this link: http://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/churb3.htm?

      If not, provide the reference you were talking about.

      A greek bible is not that inaccessible. What chapter and verse can you find that THE NAME OF THE CHURCH is “catholic”?

      • Geline says:

        A greek bible is not that inaccessible. What chapter and verse can you find that THE NAME OF THE CHURCH is “catholic”?

        Reply:

        In Acts 9:31; “Then the [church throughout] Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace and was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it increased in numbers.”

        It increased in numbers meaning… it became universal or catholic or international.

        The words “church throughout” in greek means “Ekklesia Kath’olis”. This is why the first catholics in the bible gave emphasis to the church as “catholic” because in the 1st century many christian sects were competing with the Catholic Church. They were the gnostic, Marcionist, docetae or docetist…etc…etc… like today many christian and pseudo-christian churches are in competition especially with names.

        For example is MCGI…. the letter “I” of the initial MCGI is “International” and it means all over the world or universal or “catholic” because Mr. Eli Soriano is preaching at present “throughout” the world.

      • Bambi says :

        [It is a greek word but it is not in the bible.]

        Reply: Yes it is in the bible… Bambi!

        This is the greek rendering of the original verse:

        Act 9:31 Αἱ μὲν οὖν ἐκκλησίαι καθ᾿ ὅλης τῆς ᾿Ιουδαίας καὶ Γαλιλαίας καὶ Σαμαρείας εἶχον εἰρήνην οἰκοδομούμεναι καὶ πορευόμεναι τῷ φόβῳ τοῦ Κυρίου, καὶ τῇ παρακλήσει τοῦ ῾Αγίου Πνεύματος ἐπληθύνοντο. [Hai men oun e EKKLESIA KATH’OLES tes Ioudaias kai Galalaias kai Samarias…]

        [MCGI – Members of the Church of God International.]

        Reply: The truth is the name above is not in the bible.

        [In 1 Corinthians 1:2 there are members of the Church of God in Corinth and today it is already International. That is the reason we are MCGI. The truth is you can find CHURCH OF GOD in the bible and not a word of the roman catholic church in the bible.]

        Reply: In the bible the Catholic Church is described also as the church of God, church of Christ, churches in Rome, Judea, Galilee, Samaria or the [churches through out] meaning universal or international. The Catholi Church used the word “international”.

      • Geline asked:

        [What chapter and verse can you find that THE NAME OF THE CHURCH is “catholic”?]

        Reply:

        In Acts 9:31 you can read;

        “Then the “church throughout” Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace and was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it increased in numbers.”

        When Christ established his church it only meant a church as counterpart of the “house of Israel” that was established in the desert of Sinai by Moses.

        The new community or “church” that Christ built is for the salvation of the gentiles because in the “house of Israel” they believe until today that they are the chosen people of God. The gentiles are not considered as the chosen people.

        In less than a year after Christ went to heaven there was a proliferation of christian sects like the gnostics, docetae and the marcionists. So St. Ignatius the bishop of Antioch described the true church as catholic or the church throughout as written in Acts 9:31 to distinguish itself from the false churches.

    • Odan Matig-a says:
      2. It is not His own church that He built.
      Reply: It is! Christ built his own Church.
      In MATTHEW 16:18… it says;

      bambi says :

      Christ is the head of the church

      Colossians 1:18
      And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.

      God is the head of Christ

      1 Corinthians 11:3
      But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

      And the Church is Called “CHURCH OF GOD” and not catholic church. Saints are being called in the church and being Sanctified in Christ Jesus Whom is the head of the CHURCH OF GOD.

      1 Corinthians 1:1-4
      1Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, 2Unto the “CHURCH OF GOD” which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their’s and our’s: 3Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. 4I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;

      House of God is in this verse:

      1 Timothy 3:15
      But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

      CHURCH of the living GOD not catholic church unless you want to change the verse…

      Psalm 127:1
      Unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain. Unless the LORD watches over the city, the guards stand watch in vain.

      with this verse, you answer. Will Christ build His own house? Or did Christ built the house of God? Just be true to yourself and you’ll get the answer. Listen to the one who carries the word of God (Bro.Eli). For faith comes from listening and not just hearing.

      • Odan Matig-a says:
        2. It is not His own church that He built.
        Reply: It is! Christ built his own Church.
        In MATTHEW 16:18… it says;

        bambi says :

        [Christ is the head of the church

        Colossians 1:18
        And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy.]

        Reply: Yes because it is his Church.

        [God is the head of Christ

        1 Corinthians 11:3
        But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.]

        Reply: Christ and the Father are one.

        [And the Church is Called “CHURCH OF GOD” and not catholic church. Saints are being called in the church and being Sanctified in Christ Jesus Whom is the head of the CHURCH OF GOD.]

        Reply: Church of God is an adjective describing the church. If saints are called in the church and being Sanctified in Christ Jesus… it means that the church you are describing is the Catholic Church because saints are in the Catholic Church.

        Sa MCGI may mga “saints” ba kayo?

        [1 Corinthians 1:1-4
        1Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, 2Unto the “CHURCH OF GOD” which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their’s and our’s: 3Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ. 4I thank my God always on your behalf, for the grace of God which is given you by Jesus Christ;]

        Reply: The word “church” is common and why did you change it to a proper noun. Church of God is an adjective that described the church in Corinth. This church mentioned here is the Catholic Church because saints are called.

        Literally speaking if you go to Corinth today the church that you believe as MCGI in the bible is actually a Catholic Church. Corinth is in Greece if you go there you will find catholic churches.

        [House of God is in this verse:

        1 Timothy 3:15
        But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.]

        Reply: You see! The word “house” is in the common usage. The church of the living God is the Catholic Church because the book of Timothy is a Pastoral Letter” from the Catholic Church. It is from the bible and the bible is owned by the Catholic Church.

        Do you know who called the compiled scriptures as canon of the bible? The answer is; St. Athanasius, a Catholic saint.

        [Psalm 127:1
        Unless the LORD builds the house, the builders labor in vain. Unless the LORD watches over the city, the guards stand watch in vain.]

        Reply: This verse is talking about a house. What does this verse mean? It means that if God is the builder of the house it is well protected. If it is not from God… the builders labor in vain. So! If God built a house… what house was built by God? The answer is ; the house of Israel. This house of Israel is lost in the new testament or during the time of Christ. Jesus Christ built his own church in Matthew 16:18.

        In the old testament you cannot see a word “church” because the church was built by Christ in the new testament.

      • Odan Matig-a says

        In Acts 9:31; “Then the [church throughout] Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace and was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it increased in numbers.”

        It increased in numbers meaning… it became universal or catholic or international.

        Bambi says:

        Ok, That is funny! Wow! you made me laugh again. You’re a natural. You can have a career with that.

        What is in Act9:31 is “THEN THE CHURCH THROUGHOUT JUDEA”. Is the CHURCH THROUGHOUT a NAME? It is a statement and not a name. Still I don’t find catholic to be appropriate to be a name of the true church. The true church is the church that you can find in the scripture and that is “THE CHURCH OF GOD” (1 Corinthians 1:1-2).

      • You know what Odan? Your mind is close to all the truth that bro eli are putting in this blog, You are blinded by your own knowledge and your catholic belief. Sometimes I’m thinking, why am I still waisting my time talking to you. If you are not listening to bro eli, why should you listen to me? Maybe I’m just hoping…. that you might have a change of heart. There are thousands of former catholic here that turned away from their catholic ways and belief because catholic doctrine is a trash. You’ll learn nothing but lies. Here is one blog that you might need to take time on reading :
        https://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/the-roman-catholic-church-is-not-the-true-church-of-god/
        Take your time and hope God will enlighten your heart. May God have mercy on you.

      • Odan Matig-a says:

        Church of God is an adjective describing the church. If saints are called in the church and being Sanctified in Christ Jesus… it means that the church you are describing is the Catholic Church because saints are in the Catholic Church.

        Bambi says :

        Kawawa ka naman Odan. You can’t even prove catholic is the rightfull name of the church that was built by christ. What you mean to say catholic is more appropriate to be used rather than THE CHURCH OF GOD. Are your church name much better than what the bible offers to call Gods Church? If that is so throw away your bible and make your own with the word catholic all over it. You forgot the word “THE” following the words CHURCH OF GOD. It is introducing THE CHURCH OF GOD. Is the word catholic used in here? NO!

        Odan Matig-a says:
        Sa MCGI may mga “saints” ba kayo?

        Bambi says :

        Kawawa ka talaga kapag nag-stay ka diyan. Saints are being called in THE CHURCH OF GOD not in catholic church. We are called TO BE saints (para mangagbanal). Does catholic call people to be saint? NO! For you believe your making saints out of people but you allow iniquities amongs you.

        I don’t have to answer this question to you. You watch UNTV 37 and see it for yourself. What are being thaught to us compare to your catholic that are claiming to be saints but not practicing good works.

      • At ito naman ay tungkol sa “worship”:

        WORSHIP. Acknowledgment of another’s worth, dignity, or superior position. In religion, worship is given either to God, and then it is adoration, or to the angels and saints, and it is called veneration. Divine worship actually includes three principal acts, namely adoration (or the recognition of God’s infinite perfection), prayer or the asking for divine help, and sacrifice or the offering of something precious to God. Worship as veneration also has three principal forms, whereby the angels and saints are honored for their sanctity, asked to intercede before the divine Majesty, and imitated in their love and service of God. (Etym. Old English weorthscipe, honor, dignity, reverence: weorth, worth +ship.)

        [Modern Catholic Dictionary by Fr. John Hardon, SJ]

        ADORATION belongs to God alone. But, Veneration is given also to Angels and Saints.

        The Protestant Bible is very clear on this. It uses the word worship not only on God but also on human beings:

        Luke 14:10 [King James Version 1611] But when thou art bidden, goe and sit downe in the lowest roume, that when he that bade thee commeth, hee may say vnto thee, Friend, goe vp higher: then shalt thou haue WORSHIP in the presence of them that sit at meate with thee.

        Luke 14:10 [Geneva Bible 1587] But when thou art bidden, goe and sit downe in the lowest roome, that when he that bade thee, cometh, he may say vnto thee, Friende, sit vp hier: then shalt thou haue WORSHIP in the presence of them that sit at table with thee.

        Luke 14:10 [King James Version] But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade thee cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have WORSHIP in the presence of them that sit at meat with thee.

        Later the word worship was changed by the Protestants into ‘glory’ and ‘honor’:

        Luke 14:10 [Modern King James Version] But when you are invited, go and recline in the lowest place, so that when he who invited you comes, he may say to you, Friend, go up higher. Then GLORY shall be to you before those reclining with you.

        Luke 14:10 [Revised Standard Version] But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest place; that when he that hath bidden thee cometh, he may say to thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have GLORY in the presence of all that sit at meat with thee.

        Luke 14:10 [American Standard Version] But when thou art bidden, go and sit down in the lowest place; that when he that hath bidden thee cometh, he may say to thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have GLORY in the presence of all that sit at meat with thee.

        Luke 14:10 [Contemporary English Version] When you are invited to be a guest, go and sit in the worst place. Then the one who invited you may come and say, “My friend, take a better seat!” You will then be HONORED in front of all the other guests.

        Luke 14:10 [English Standard Version] But when you are invited, go and sit in the lowest place, so that when your host comes he may say to you, ‘Friend, move up higher.’ Then you will be HONORED in the presence of all who sit at table with you.

        Luke 14:10 [International Standard Version] But when you are invited, go and sit down at the place of least honor. Then, when your host comes, he will tell you, ‘Friend, move up higher,’ and you will be HONORED in the presence of all who eat with you.

        Luke 14:10 [Good News Bible] Instead, when you are invited, go and sit in the lowest place, so that your host will come to you and say, ‘Come on up, my friend, to a better place.’ This will bring you HONOR in the presence of all the other guests.

        The term worship was previously used for God and human beings as well. The distinction comes in the fact that worship of God is Adoration while those given to human beings or Angels are called Veneration… giving honor or recognition of their dignity as Man of God or as Angel, Messenger and Servant of God in Heaven.

        What is pitiful is that the Born Again, the Baptists are claiming that Honor and Glory must be given to God alone. That is not Biblical. The Bible honored human beings and God himself honors those who are faithful to Him.

      • your a big liar and ur full of inventions your a no good son of a liar and no wonder your father in the bible is a liar there are no truth coming out on his mouth…..

      • @ odan: When you define “worship”, use the Bible, not catholic dictionary! That book is trash!

        Romans 12:1 >> … to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to GOD, which is your spiritual worship.

        There is no such thing as “veneration of saints” in the Bible. Don’t mix worship to GOD or spiritual worship, to human worship not related to religion. Good angels don’t allow themselves to be worshipped, like how John was warned. Apoc. 19:10, Apoc. 22:9. Only GOD deserves worship.

        To be sure, use the original Greek language used for Luke 14:10, to avoid confusion. There are instances that RSV and MKJV are correct and KJV translation is wrong.

        I suggest that you talk directly to Bro. Eli so your ignorance will not be further displayed here.

      • **The words “church throughout” in greek “Ekklesia Kath’olis”.

        Ekklesia – church in English
        Kath’olis – throughout in English

        So ‘throughout’ has a new meaning now which is ‘catholic’? Wow!!! You name your church out of a “derivative word”, and not a single chance was mentioned in the scriptures.

        Perhaps you are trying to translate “Ekklesia Kath’olis” into “Church catholic/catholic church”? Is that what you are trying to imply?

        It said “the church THROUGHOUT Judea…”, not “the catholic church in Judea…”. Now if you are still trying to inculcate in our minds that both (sentences) are the same then you are out of your mind…

        Open your eyes… the church mentioned in the scriptures is the CHURCH OF GOD, and definitely not your ‘catholic’ church which is in fact just a “derivative” word as you said.

        God’s truth shall prevail.. One day your eyes and your heart would be opened… May God wills so you may see the clear truth…

    • You said:
      In Acts 9:31; “Then the [church throughout] Judea, Galilee and Samaria enjoyed a time of peace and was strengthened. Living in the fear of the Lord and encouraged by the Holy Spirit, it increased in numbers.”

      It increased in numbers meaning… it became universal or catholic or international.

      —Illogical. Increasing in number does not necessarily mean one is becoming universal. People can increase in number by not becoming universal.
      And that verse does not say that the name of the church is “church throughout”. “Throughout” was used as a preposition. It’s not even a noun.

      And if numbers are your basis then you are ignoring this verse:
      Deut 7:7 The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people:

      You said:
      The words “church throughout” in greek means “Ekklesia Kath’olis”. This is why the first catholics in the bible gave emphasis to the church as “catholic” because in the 1st century many christian sects were competing with the Catholic Church. They were the gnostic, Marcionist, docetae or docetist…etc…etc… like today many christian and pseudo-christian churches are in competition especially with names.

      —Did you mean you named your religion “catholic” because of the fact that you had many competitions and not because it was the church written in the Bible? From all your replies in the posts, it seems to me that your faith is not grounded in the Bible. Your faith is based on history and ideologies of men that are sometimes contradicting. You site verses and make statements out of them without realizing that you are ignoring and contradicting other verses. If you love the truth, have a solid basis for your statements.

      You say things just to contradict something that is against your belief and to make yourself sound like you know everything. For example,
      You said:
      For example is MCGI…. the letter “I” of the initial MCGI is “International” and it means all over the world or universal or “catholic” because Mr. Eli Soriano is preaching at present “throughout” the world.

      —Correction. International means we have Churches in different parts of the world and not because Bro. Eli is preaching internationally. His preaching reaches parts where we don’t have locales yet. His preaching reaches those people who are no members of the Church. The International in MCGI means that the members of the Church of God were in different parts of the world. And be mindful that international is different from worldwide.

      • Reference Geline:

        Isaiah 55:9
        New International Version (NIV)

        9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways
        and my thoughts than your thoughts.

      • MCGI also was founded by Mr. Eli Soriano in Pasay city. Correct? The Catholic Church was founded by Christ. The Catholic Church is the owner of the bible you are reading.

      • @ Odan: You’re talking stupidly. In MCGI’s SEC registration, Bro. Eli is designated a presiding minister, not founder, unlike most other religions established in the Philippines. CHRIST is the founder of the Church of GOD which is obviously written in the Bible.

        Catholicism is founded by… Nero? Caesar? Peter? The name itself “holy apostolic roman catholic church” is not found in the Bible. Church of GOD has so many mentions in the Bible. Poor Odan, so confused.

      • Is that a question or a statement from you? if it is a question, the answer is no. The MCGI was not founded by Bro. Eli. And the Catholic Church was not founded by our Lord Jesus Christ as evidenced by your antichrist doctrines. And whew! the Bible is not owned by the catholic church. Your church does not even follow the teachings in the bible, how can you own it!

      • FiX_mE,

        You perceive them as lies because you are blinded of truth. These are some of the truth that the bible teaches and yet your church does not follow: Lev 26:1, Act 15:29, 1Tim 2:9, Gal. 5:29 and the list goes on and on.

        We have regular bible expositions, you are free to come and ask questions to Bro. Eli.

  6. REVELATION 7:9

    After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no man could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

    Reply: These great multitude that cannot be counted are catholics because they are clothed in white robes; that is when a child becomes a catholic the baby is dressed in white and those palm branches are usually done by catholics in their ritual.

    • Dear fellow the word of God is Spiritual. It can never be interpreted the way you did it. I understand that perhaps since birth you are brought up as a Catholic, these things you believe is rooted in your system for a long time. But don’t you think it’s time for you to find out what God really wants us to follow and understand? Those traditions are all hypocrisy, I apologise for that term but that is the truth. Try to discover the whole thing, you have a lot of opportunities to do that. You can join our Bible exposition this August 5. Just go to nearest ANG DATING DAAN Coordinating center in your area. Ask everything you want, all your doubts and thoughts about us. The Bilble will answer you dear fellow. Thanks be to God!

      • Geri,

        Generally speaking the bible is spiritual… but from its spirituality the writers in the bible used in their writings allegory, rhetorics, irony and other symbolic form of discourses to convert faithful. In Revelation the writer John relates what he saw in heaven; and what he saw were the people baptized as catholics because they were dressed in white with plam branches [palaspas] in their hands. It cannot be denied that palm branches [palaspas] are by catholics in their ritual.

        God revealed to John “in a vision” that the people in heaven saved are catholics.

    • HA? catholics??? how can you claim that the great multitude are catholic. because it says white robes? i can wear it anytime. and RITUALS? oh men wake up. feed your soul with TRUTH.

      • jest says:
        August 5, 2011 at 12:14 pm

        [HA? catholics??? how can you claim that the great multitude are catholic. because it says white robes? i can wear it anytime. and RITUALS? oh men wake up. feed your soul with TRUTH.]

        Reply:

        Yes jest… this vision is a scene in heaven and they are catholics. You can wear white robe anytime but you are not in heaven.

        The book of Revelation is full of symbolic discourses and was written by a catholic saint. St. John saw a great multitude all dressed up in white robes. The white robe is a symbol that you are a catholic because a person is dressed in white when he is baptized in the Catholic Church. The vision of St. John also said that they were holding in their hands branches of palm. Palaspas kung sa Tagalog pa… which the more they are catholics because only catholics use palms in their religious rituals.

    • Come on! you just made this up didnt you? show us the greek counterpart of the word “multitude” if its really “catholic”. But as expected of catholics.. they are very fond of preaching anything that comes into their mind.. reading your posts are like listening to priest’s cermons which are just preconcieved trash

      • you just claimed earlier that the word catholic is from greek origin and it was used originally in the bible.. I DARE YOU! show us!

      • Joseph says:

        Come on! you just made this up didnt you? show us the greek counterpart of the word “multitude” if its really “catholic”. But as expected of catholics.. they are very fond of preaching anything that comes into their mind.. reading your posts are like listening to priest’s cermons which are just preconcieved trash

        Reply to Joseph:

        Let me quote Revelation 7:9;

        After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands.

        The person who wrote the book of Revelation is a saint from the Catholic Church. The book is full of symbolism of the end of the world. This “great multitude” symbolizes the catholics because; catholics are from every nation, every tribe, every language and for every people; it means catholic is universal. The white robes they wear symbolize catholics when they were baptized in church… the palm branches they’re holding symbolize the passion of Jesus when he was crucified on the cross.

        Joseph says:

        you just claimed earlier that the word catholic is from greek origin and it was used originally in the bible.. I DARE YOU! show us!

        Reply to Joseph:

        The words “church throughout” in greek means “Ekklesia Kath’olis”. This is why the first catholics in the bible gave emphasis to the church as “catholic” because in the 1st century many christian sects were competing with the Catholic Church. They were the gnostic, Marcionist, docetae or docetist…etc…etc… like today many christian and pseudo-christian churches are in competition especially with names.

      • Or maybe because he is a priest? or a bishop perhaps? desperately trying to defend their false teachings…

    • If i were to think like you do, then i ask you –

      1. are the dresses of babies called robes? in any manner, do they wear robes during baptism in catholics?
      2. are the “great multitude in white robes” babies? are there babies? and “standing” before the throne?
      3. in catholic practice during palm sunday, (except for the priest) did you see anyone go to the church, including yourself, wearing white robes?
      3. during baptism in catholics when babies wear white, were they holding palms?
      4. do you remember when you were being baptized? what did the priest told you? and what did you say or answer to the priest? What were you holding?

    • @Odan Matig-a

      If i were to think like you do, then i ask you –

      1. are the dresses of babies called robes? in any manner, do they wear robes during baptism in catholics?
      2. are the “great multitude in white robes” babies? are there babies? and “standing” before the throne?
      3. in catholic practice during palm sunday, (except for the priest) did you see anyone go to the church, including yourself, wearing white robes?
      3. during baptism in catholics when babies wear white, were they holding palms?
      4. do you remember when you were being baptized? what did the priest told you? and what did you say or answer to the priest? What were you holding?

  7. Haha! That’s astonishing! The more false religions claim there’s no salvation outside the church, the more the truth shines every time a God-sent preacher elaborates the scriptures! Thanks be to God for unspeakable wisdom!

    • I certainly agree heavensknight, it just shows how hypocrite those false pastors are. We are very fortunate that we where able to know the truth and our Faith will be forever in the true Church of God!

      • @Geri…. can you explain to me your church as taught by Mr. Eli Soriano in “The Real Church of God”.

      • Joseph says:

        @Odan Matig-a

        [we have cited references and qoutation from your popes.. so its clear that you have another opinion.]

        Reply:

        I have already said that there is no salvation outside the church in this world. The teaching of the Church is categorical especially if you commit blasphemy against the Church. Since there is another Catholic Church in heaven… your death has a second chance for salvation.

  8. Here are more facts from Mr. Eli Soriano… and my replies and comments.

    4. The church built by the Father through Christ is the Church of God.

    Reply: No… it is the Catholic Church. While church of God or church of Christ are mentioned in the bible this identification of a church refers only to the Catholic Church because at the start there was only one church built by Christ the Catholic Church. But after the life of Christ on earth many heretical churches claimed that they are from Christ using that identification church of God and church of Christ… which is why St. Ignatius of Antioch in 90 AD identify the true church as catholic and wrote it in the bible until the Council of Nicaea canonized the compilation of the bible as “in layman’s term” the official religious book of the Catholic Church. All other books was decided by the council as heretical.

    5. The true church first existed in Jerusalem and the nearby areas of the Holy land.

    Reply: I agree that the true church first existed in Jerusalem and the nearby areas of the Holy land… which is why when you want to visit the Holy Land you cannot see the INK of Manalo, the MCGI of Soriano or protestant churches but you can only see very clearly from your naked eyes and it is the truth… ruins of Catholic churches that will date back to 2-3 AD. And there are standing churches like the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, Church of the Nativity, Church of the Annunciation and more… they are all Catholic Churches.

    6. Jerusalem is the designated starting point of the preaching of the church and salvation, and not Rome.

    Reply: Of course it is Jerusalem! That was before the muslim conquest of jerusalem. The great schism divided the church into east and west. The west is the Roman Church.

    7. The Lord Jesus can see the hearts of all people even beyond the boundaries of the Holy land.

    Reply: I agree!

    8. The Lord Jesus know that there are people considered as His sheep outside of the church, both within Jerusalem and beyond.

    JOHN 10:16

    And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    Reply: When the book of John was written some religious intellectuals especially among the Jews do not believe in Jesus which is why it is written; “And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold”… meaning “other sheep” is the house of Israel. And “this fold” are the christians or the gentiles. But the bulk of the gentiles at that time when “the book of John was written” still needs evangelization. Therefore the gentiles as a whole is not the one referred to by the writer.

    9. Not all people, especially the Gentiles, will hear the teachings and the law of Christ before they die, but will be justified. These certainly are not members of the true church, but because they have done the good things of the law, they will be saved come judgment day!

    Reply: Come judgment day it is up to the Catholic Church in heaven. But for those who blasphemed the Catholic Church while still on earth they can not be saved.

    THE ROMANS 2:13-14

    13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

    Reply: This text is an irony! Remember that the meaning of the law mentioned in this text is the Mosaic Law. And who are the doers of the law? They are the Jews! The Jews who follow the law of Moses religiously their stature of salvation are ironically still to be justified before God. This is one of numerous anti Judaism texts in the bible. The hearers of the law who are the christians are already just before God. The christians are the revisers of the law. Example; is sabbath, animal sacrifice in the temple, eating of blood and pork and the cleansing of sin.

    14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

    Reply: This text is a classic example of the revision of the mosaic law by christians. The gentiles who have no laws of Moses but they have the natural law or their cultural law of doing things is respected by christians. This is why the Jews abhor to associate with gentiles because of cultural differences. This is the thing that divides Christians and Jews.

    MATTHEW 25:32-40

    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,

    Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

    35 For I was hungry, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

    These are not brethren in the church, but considered as sheep (those at the right hand) and have done good to the brethren of Christ in the church.

    Reply: This is a scene in the last judgement.

    10. The present population of the world can still be numbered.

    World Population:

    Those sheep that will be saved cannot be counted by any human.

    REVELATION 7:9

    After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no man could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands,

    Reply: This is a scene in heaven. The great multitude are catholics because they are dressed in white. When a catholic as a baby is baptize in church he is dressed in white and we catholics use palm branches in our religious ritual.

    • @Odan Matig-a

      I think no one can change your mind here. Your knowledge which is not spiritual is deeply rooted and running through your veins.

      But if you have a deep sense, come to think hard on these:

      Did Christ or any apostle taught me:
      – to make images, to kneel before it and pray? (Deut 5:7-9)
      – to baptize babies?
      – that there is limbo and purgatory?
      – that hell is a state of the mind? (By Pope John Paul II)
      – (and practically all the catholic practices)

      That is why you can never find any of your priest (more so the pope) explaining the Bible everyday (even 20hr/day) around the world, like Bro. Eli.

      If only you appreciate how concerned we are about your soul and of everyone else.

      • @roy

        I think no one can change your mind here. Your knowledge which is not spiritual is deeply rooted and running through your veins.

        Reply:

        Yes… my knowledge deals on history because the bible deals with the past also but if there are spiritual or theological passages to be interpreted in the bible I can also interpret with the help of the authority of the Church.

        But if you have a deep sense, come to think hard on these:

        Reply:

        Okay… I’ll try to answer.

        Did Christ or any apostle taught me:
        – to make images, to kneel before it and pray? (Deut 5:7-9)

        Reply:

        In the [Deut. 5:7-9] God commanded his people not to worship idols because in the early days of the Hebrews or Jews they had this tendency to commit in the worship of idols. God is not condemning the making of all images… just images that one would worship as a false god. Because in Exodus 25: 17-22 God actually commands Moses to make graven images of two cherub (angels) to be part of the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant.

        Did God command his people to worship that 2 cherubs? The answer is no! We Catholics do not worship cherubs, angels and saints but they are part of the things you can see in Church. If you still insist that we worship angels and saints then that is already your problem. You said; “Making images to be in the sanctuary was commended by God.”

        Correct… but they are not to be worshipped.

        – to baptize babies?

        Reply:

        Baptism is cleansing by tradition. It is literally a ritual of the washing of the whole body before entering a temple. Hindi kase naliligo ang tao noong araw eh’ kaya yung mga lider pang-relihiyon inu-utos nila sa miembro ang pagpaligo. There are many interpretation of what baptism is… even to those religions older than Christianity. In Judaism and Christianity they are giving a more spiritual meaning in baptism.

        Jesus Christ himself was baptized when he was admitted into the religion of John the Baptist.

        When Jesus Christ was eight days old he was presented in the temple to be circumcised. This is a Jewish ritual for every Jew making him member of the chosen people of God.

        Baptism in Catholicism is a sacrament and the revision of the law of Moses; that instead of circumcision a child must be baptized in Church to become a member of the new people of God.

        To give a short meaning of baptism… it is the revision of the Jewish law on circumcision.

        – that there is limbo and purgatory?

        Reply:

        Limbo is the terminology used by Dante Alighieri in his poem; “Divine Comedy” and because of its popularity during the 13th century the terminology was carried by the people, but it is not part of the catechism of the Catholic Church. Purgatory is in the latin bible. Purgatory is the teaching in the Catholic Church in the cleansing of the soul before going to heaven.

      • Odan Matig-a says:
        In the [Deut. 5:7-9] God commanded his people not to worship idols because in the early days of the Hebrews or Jews they had this tendency to commit in the worship of idols. God is not condemning the making of all images… just images that one would worship as a false god. Because in Exodus 25: 17-22 God actually commands Moses to make graven images of two cherub (angels) to be part of the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant.

        Did God command his people to worship that 2 cherubs? The answer is no! We Catholics do not worship cherubs, angels and saints but they are part of the things you can see in Church. If you still insist that we worship angels and saints then that is already your problem. You said; “Making images to be in the sanctuary was commended by God.”

        Correct… but they are not to be worshipped.

        Bambi says

        You said “God is not condemning the making of all images… just images that one would worship as a false god.” Oh come on! Let us read again…

        Deuteronomy 5:8
        You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;

        YOU SHALL NOT MAKE YOURSELF A CARVED IMAGE, “ANY” LIKENESS OF “ANYTHING” THAT IS IN HEAVEN ABOVE! is there a “JUST IMAGES THAT ONE WOULD WORSHIP AS A FALSE GOD” in the verse? Come on… don’t make me laugh, though you did already.

        You said “Exodus 25: 17-22 God actually commands Moses to make graven images of two cherub (angels) to be part of the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant.”

        You said it yourself God commanded Moises. Who’s Moises not to obey? Think of what you’re saying. GEEES!

        You said “We Catholics do not worship cherubs, angels and saints but they are part of the things you can see in Church. If you still insist that we worship angels and saints then that is already your problem.”

        Actually that was my problem previously when I was a catholic. We kneel before an idol that was believed to be Mary and a Cross with an Image of a man that is nailed at it and worship it! We even put flowers and lift it during fiesta in a parade. Please man be true to yourself it is not too late. You’re just making it worst for yourself.

        You said “Making images to be in the sanctuary was commended by God.”

        To whom? Was it to the church? Come on! READ CAREFULLY!

    • Dear Odan Matig-a ,

      The thing that is being discussed here is salvation outside the true church. And what you have to defend is the catholic stand that there is no salvation outside your alleged true church, If you really believe that catholic is the true church. Is there salvation outside the catholic church?

      • Dear bambi,

        The doctrine of the Catholic Church on earth is; there is no salvation if you do not believe the Church and its teaching. But there is another Catholic Church in heaven… so if a man dies his soul will face the judgment of God. Therefore we don’t know if his soul will be saved! It’s in the judgment of God to a person who committed blasphemy against the Catholic Church if his soul is forgiven.

    • Odan Matig-a says:
      The doctrine of the Catholic Church on earth is; there is no salvation if you do not believe the Church and its teaching. But there is another Catholic Church in heaven… so if a man dies his soul will face the judgment of God. Therefore we don’t know if his soul will be saved! It’s in the judgment of God to a person who committed blasphemy against the Catholic Church if his soul is forgiven.

      Bambi says :
      I was once a catholic don’t tell me that it already changed.

      CATHOLICISM
      LA SALVACION DE LOS NO-CATOLICOS
      CARTA DE LA SAGRADA CONGREGACION DEL SANTO OFICIO AL ARZOBISPO DE
      BOSTON (MASSACHUSETTS, USA), DE FECHA 8 DE AGOSTO DE 1949.
      CONTROVERSIA QUE SURGIO EN EL COLEGIO DE BOSTON SOBRE EL AXIOMA
      QUE DICE: “FUERA DE LA IGLESIA CATOLICA NO HAY SALVACION”.
      UNAM SANCTAM
      Bull of Pope Boniface VIII promulgated
      November 18, 1302

      This is clear and I don’t know if you want to change this. But if you do want to change it you are going against your church doctrine.

      You said that it depends on Gods judgment so if you are outside your church you’ll still have salvation cause it depend on Gods Judgment not your church. So statement that was done by your popes “FUERA DE LA IGLESIA CATOLICA NO HAY SALVACION”. Is going against your belief aren’t you committing blasphemy? But don’t worry as you said it is Gods Judgment and not your church which by logic your church is going against God. For they judge already the person outside catholic church which is stealing the right of God to judge those outside the church.

      1 Corinthians 5:13
      God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”

      • Bambi says:

        [You said “God is not condemning the making of all images… just images that one would worship as a false god.” Oh come on! Let us read again…]

        Reply:

        I think you did not understand the quoted verse above; “God is not condemning the making of all images… just images that one would worship as a false god.” What does it mean? It means that the making of images is not condemn by God but only those images that are worship as false god.

        Bambi said;

        [Deuteronomy 5:8
        You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth;]

        [YOU SHALL NOT MAKE YOURSELF A CARVED IMAGE, “ANY” LIKENESS OF “ANYTHING” THAT IS IN HEAVEN ABOVE! is there a “JUST IMAGES THAT ONE WOULD WORSHIP AS A FALSE GOD” in the verse? Come on… don’t make me laugh, though you did already.]

        Reply:

        Your natural color is coming out. Be honest! I will quote Deuteronomy 5:7-10… and understand for yourself and compare it to your quote in capital letters above.

        7 “You shall have no other gods before me.

        8 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 10 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

        The commandment is not to be worship. We Catholics worship God alone – Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The holy angels, Peter, Paul, John and all true followers of God refuse worship. That’s why we don’t worship them. To worship anyone or anything that is not God is idolatry.

        But in Exodus 25: 17-22 God actually commands Moses to make graven images of two cherub (angels) to be part of the mercy seat of the Ark of the Covenant.

        Therefore it is alright if there are carved images inside a church as long as these images are not to be worshipped.

        Bambi said;

        [You said it yourself God commanded Moises. Who’s Moises not to obey? Think of what you’re saying. GEEES!]

        Reply:

        Moses obeyed but he was not commanded to worship those cherubs.

        [You said “We Catholics do not worship cherubs, angels and saints but they are part of the things you can see in Church. If you still insist that we worship angels and saints then that is already your problem.”

        Actually that was my problem previously when I was a catholic. We kneel before an idol that was believed to be Mary and a Cross with an Image of a man that is nailed at it and worship it! We even put flowers and lift it during fiesta in a parade. Please man be true to yourself it is not too late. You’re just making it worst for yourself.]

        Reply:

        Yun pala eh’… ikaw pala ang may problema. So the problem is you and not the Church. Bumalik ka uli at pag-aralan mong mabuti ang dati mong panamampalataya.

        [You said “Making images to be in the sanctuary was commended by God.”

        To whom? Was it to the church? Come on! READ CAREFULLY!]

        Reply:

        There is a tabernacle of God inside the Church. You don’t know that? In MCGI is there a tabernacle of God inside your convention center?

      • Odan Matig-a says:
        I think you did not understand the quoted verse above; “God is not condemning the making of all images… just images that one would worship as a false god.” What does it mean? It means that the making of images is not condemn by God but only those images that are worship as false god.

        Bambi says :
        Are you trying to justify here that catholics are making JUST IMAGES are we talking about JUST IMAGES? We are talking about your catholic JUST IMAGES that are being worshipped by catholics. Here is the verse as you quoted:

        Deuteronomy 5:7-8
        7 “You shall have no other gods before me.
        8 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 10 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

        This is what you call adding insult to the injury. Verse 8 “You shall not make for yourself an image” What type of Images? in the form of “ANYTHING” IN HEAVEN ABOVE or ON THE EARTH BENEATH or IN THE WATERS BELOW. Is the word ANYTHING clear and the words that followed specified that ANYTHING. So is there a word JUST IMAGES there? NO! That is where the injure came from and the following verses is where the insult comes. Verse 9 ” YOU SHALL NOT BOW DOWN TO THEM or WORSHIP THEM” One category that catholics are doing. What is worst you don’t JUST BOW DOWN you KNEEL BEFORE IT. So you can’t deny Odan that you are what you say you are.

        Odan Matig-a says:
        The commandment is not to be worship. We Catholics worship God alone – Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The holy angels, Peter, Paul, John and all true followers of God refuse worship. That’s why we don’t worship them. To worship anyone or anything that is not God is idolatry.

        Bambi says:
        Odan I have 2 words for you. “YOU ALREADY” ( IKAW NA!)

        you said “THE COMMANDMENT IS NOT TO WORSHIP”. We can see now where the JUST IMAGES came from. It is to Cover/Justify your catholic BLASPHEMY TO GOD

    • purgatory doesn’t exist. its a ONLY a human belief and false teaching to the people and leading them astray, people are hoping that its true because they are dependent ONLY to the priest that is also dependent on the pope or whoever and i don’t know also where this pope depend on his earthly teaching citing a lot of things created by himself maybe or rituals.
      because of this purgatory,lost sheep will be more lost than ever because they believe that if you will die you will surely go to purgatory first and then the priest will pray for his soul to be save which is definitely a big LIE.

      • jest says:

        [purgatory doesn’t exist. its a ONLY a human belief and false teaching to the people and leading them astray, people are hoping that its true because they are dependent ONLY to the priest that is also dependent on the pope or whoever and i don’t know also where this pope depend on his earthly teaching citing a lot of things created by himself maybe or rituals.]

        Reply:

        Purgatory is biblical. It comes from latin; Purgationem Peccatorum.

        Heb 1:3 “qui cum sit splendor gloriae et figura substantiae eius portansque omnia verbo virtutis suae PURGATIONEM PECCATORUM faciens sedit ad dexteram Maiestatis in excelsis”

        Translation:

        Heb 1:3 “Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself PURGED OUR SINS, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;”

  9. It’s just too awful for those who has the opportunity to hear the truth but prefers to hear the wicked things. What I can say is that through the intervention of the Holy Spirit and through Bro. Eli I was enlighted. Thanks be to God for his unspeakable gift!

    • Matthew 7:6 King James Version (KJV)

      6Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

  10. he he he !!!! simple logic can be reach w/ simple mind … how nice to have a man like bro eli and bro. daniel.. too GOD be the glory for ever and ever amen..

  11. good evening bro.eli is it ok if i will confess my sins here in the net with you hoping to understand my sins and eventually be forgiven in God’s will..

  12. mr.Odan-matig-a, dont lie ,dont twist the word,your unpurifying the word of the lord,you want to imply your own meaning of the word of our lord. what is written is written,dont interpret by your own idea,JUST dont lie.

    • red c says:

      “mr.Odan-matig-a, dont lie ,dont twist the word,your unpurifying the word of the lord,you want to imply your own meaning of the word of our lord. what is written is written,dont interpret by your own idea,JUST dont lie.”

      Reply:

      You are accusing me of lying. With due respect… please cite to me the words or verses in the bible you think that I am twisting the meaning. Please tell me in your own words the meaning if you believe you are right. I am a catholic and I believe I am telling the meaning based in the interpretation of the Catholic Church.

      • I think from the posts that bro eli made and creating your own catholic explanation (“Odan Matig-a says: I believe I am telling the meaning based in the interpretation of the Catholic Church”), it is clear already that you did twist the meaning of the verses including some of your catholic interpretation that you also twisted so you can create your own explanation. And you know the reason why because you are using the interpretation of the catholic church which is not reliable when it comes to the truth.

      • mr. odan just dont lie simple as that i dont have to explain it to you because i know that you know you are a liar u twist the word so it would appear you are right.PLS.dont lie.just a simple and meaningful advice before i close this topic and i dont care if you are going to consider it…..PLEASE DONT LIE!!!!!!!! (turuan mo ang pantas lalo syang magiging pantas , turuan mo ang manlilibak at ipagtatanim ka nya)

      • bambi says:

        [I think from the posts that bro eli made and creating your own catholic explanation (“Odan Matig-a says: I believe I am telling the meaning based in the interpretation of the Catholic Church”), it is clear already that you did twist the meaning of the verses including some of your catholic interpretation that you also twisted so you can create your own explanation. And you know the reason why because you are using the interpretation of the catholic church which is not reliable when it comes to the truth.]

        Reply to bambi:

        The interpretation of Mr. Eli Soriano of the bible is the one that is twisted because he is not an authority of the bible. His [Eli Soriano] interpretation is his own. He did not write the books in the bible. The books in the bible are written by catholics 2,000 years ago and its interpretation of the verses are within the authority of the Church since 2,000 years ago.

  13. I was once a Catholic and was not aware of their doctrine mentioned by Bro Eli in the recent thanksgiving – Outside of their church there’s no salvation.

    James 4:12 is really applicable and would negate their claim and many others.

    “There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you–who are you to judge your neighbor?”

    I’m just saddened, God wants EVERYONE to be saved but why do other groups or religions condemn the others especially those that are outside their own churches.

  14. @Odan Matig-a

    You must have been smoking, eating, and drinking a lot.. that is why you are making such foolish interpretations to satisfy your own thoughts; delighting in abomination.

    • He… he… he…. You don’t know me! Your reasoning is “argumentum ad hominem”. You address directly to the issues not me.

  15. @Odan,

    You speak intelligently illogical.

    1. The Church established by Christ is of God. Do you disagree?
    2. If you believe that we don’t understand your Catholic doctrine why is there no effort in making us know if that is the truth we must believe in?

    🙂

    • @Odan,

      You speak intelligently illogical.

      [1. The Church established by Christ is of God. Do you disagree?]

      Reply:

      Not that I’m going to disagree with you but you must understand that Christ established a Church in Matthew 16:18… and Christ is the second person in the Blessed Trinity. But God chose a people in the old testament called house of Israel.

      [2. If you believe that we don’t understand your Catholic doctrine why is there no effort in making us know if that is the truth we must believe in?]

      Reply:

      Because your heart is hardened by the cares of this world. I advise you to understand the bible written by the catholic saints.

  16. May GOD bless us all in this blog. This is once again a very timely topic. For so long a time, many of us have been blinded by the dogmatic doctrine of the catholic church that outise their church there is no salvation, then came he iglesia ni manalo who also claimed that outside their chuch there is no salvation also. ALL WRONG.

    Outside the church, even in the true Church of God, we learned from Bro Eli and Bro Daniel, the verses that simply tells the TRUTH that OUTSIDE THE CHURCH, THERE IS SALVATION. No further discussion, just read the verses and then follow Bro Eli in this blog, salvation awaits you.

    • Dear Odan Matig-a

      Thank you for your article . It makes me konwn more about the True Church ! Thank you !

      Reply:

      What church… the convention center in Apalit?

      • The convention center is not a Church, but a place of worship or religious gathering. Church is comprised of CHRIST and all His followers (Head and body). Neither is it the edifices of catholics where coward priests hide.

  17. @jason who said:
    “the bible has many contradictions unlike the koran.”

    Really? Perhaps you could answer this then………………….

    What was man created from?

    “Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed blood,” (96:2).

    “We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape, (15:26).

    “The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust,
    then said to him: “Be”. And he was,” (3:59).

    “But does not man call to mind that We created him before out of nothing?”
    (19:67, Yusuf Ali). Also, 52:35).

    “He has created man from a sperm-drop; and behold this same (man) becomes an open
    disputer! (16:4).

    So, was man created from blood, mud, dust, nothing or from a sperm-drop???

    Looks like a bunch of contradictions to me!!

  18. What is happening to my subscription of esoriano blog? It’s not coming anymore. Please send I want to be enlightened by your church.

    • Reply:

      What I mean is; somebody from MCGI or Mr. Eli Soriano himself should explain well about MCGI rather lambasting the Catholic Church. Example is his teaching that the first church was established in the wilderness different from the one established by Christ in Matthew 16:18. He should give his explanation or else he is just really the biblical false prophet.

      • @ Odan: Bro. Eli has explained about MCGI so many times. If you missed the episodes, we invite you to our Bible exposition on the 1st and last fridays of every month, at our ADD coordinating centers.

        All that you mentioned were explained so many times. You cannot blame Bro., Eli for lambasting your satanic church as CHRIST also attacked the false religions of HIS time. It’s the correct way of showing agape.

  19. May I please be sent a copy of the Bible which the MCGI uses in both the English and the Waray version? My postal address is Pio K. Tabunda St., Sulod, Basey, Samar 6720. Thank you

    Gen-Gen

  20. Gud’am Bro. ELi.. I want to have a copy of all your Preaching.. Including all Q&A portion and all debate. i watch your program often. my intention is to show all your preaching to my family.. to let them analyze which is preaching tells the truth. it is hard to convince people when they born and growth in a preaching. and they follow that preaching even they don’t understand it. they just keep following..

  21. Bambi says:

    Ok, That is funny! Wow! you made me laugh again. You’re a natural. You can have a career with that.

    What is in Act9:31 is “THEN THE CHURCH THROUGHOUT JUDEA”. Is the CHURCH THROUGHOUT a NAME? It is a statement and not a name. Still I don’t find catholic to be appropriate to be a name of the true church. The true church is the church that you can find in the scripture and that is “THE CHURCH OF GOD” (1 Corinthians 1:1-2).

    Reply to bambi:

    The “church throughout” cited in Acts 9:31 became a proper name when St. Ignatius the bishop of Antioch used it to distinguished the Catholic Church from other churches of that era.

    • St. Ignasius is not recognized by CHRIST. You cannot find the “holy apostolic roman catholic church” in the Bible, but I can read Church of GOD more than ten times in English translations.

      The name catholic church was only officially created in 18th century. But the Church of GOD exists in the time of the apostles.

      Catholics cannot prove that there is apostolic succession in them. If there is, they should have followed the same doctrines being followed by apostles. Idol worship is forbidden by CHRIST. CHRIST also forbids calling anyone in this world “father”, religiously speaking. But catholics call their leaders “pope”, “father”, etc. They even use the word reverend. How ridiculous! Where’s the apostolic succession in that?!

      I suggest odan that you ask Bro. Eli directly so your dreaming and fantasizing will be finished once and for all. May the LORD GOD enlighten you.

      • JezZ says:

        St. Ignasius is not recognized by CHRIST. You cannot find the “holy apostolic roman catholic church” in the Bible, but I can read Church of GOD more than ten times in English translations.

        Reply:

        St. Ignatius of Antioch was a follower of St. Luke the writer of the gospel Luke and Acts of the Apostles. St. Ignatius was a doctor of the Church and he was the first to propagate the word “Catholic Church”. He died martyred by pagan Rome. He was fed to the lions in the arena of Rome. Which is why he is venerated as a catholic saint. Parang bayani kung sa pulitika pa.

        JezZ says:

        The name catholic church was only officially created in 18th century. But the Church of GOD exists in the time of the apostles.

        Reply:

        This opinion proves that you are ignorant of the history of the true Church established by Christ written in the book of Matthew. It is ironic that you believe the MCGI cult which was established by Mr. Eli Soriano in the 1980’s.

        JezZ says:

        Catholics cannot prove that there is apostolic succession in them. If there is, they should have followed the same doctrines being followed by apostles. Idol worship is forbidden by CHRIST. CHRIST also forbids calling anyone in this world “father”, religiously speaking. But catholics call their leaders “pope”, “father”, etc. They even use the word reverend. How ridiculous! Where’s the apostolic succession in that?!

        Reply:

        Maganda itong sabi ni JezZ! Tagalogin ko pagsagot ito. Kung ang simbahang katoliko sabi mo hindi makapaliwanag ng “apostolic succession”; ang tanong eh saan na nga pala yung mga sumusunod ni Kristo at sa mga apostoles… nalipol na ba sila? Kung hindi sila mga katoliko… sino sila? Anong simbahan sila ngayon? Sino ang mga tao o simbahan na nakapamana ng tinatawag na “apostolic succession”? Mga MCGI ba? Hehe….

        JezZ says:

        I suggest odan that you ask Bro. Eli directly so your dreaming and fantasizing will be finished once and for all. May the LORD GOD enlighten you.

        Reply:

        Mr. Eli Soriano can correct me here right in his own blog if I’m wrong. My opinion is already directed to Mr. Eli Soriano and he has all the right to rebut my arguments.

      • @ odan: here’s a bit of enlightenment:

        1. Please post here the verse showing your allegations on that St. Ignatius. Remember to always post verses as evidence, not catholic inventions.
        2. You are the one ignorant of the True church. There is no “holy apostolic roman catholic church” in the Bible. In the first place, CHRIST is not as stupid as your popes to emphasize “roman” in a Church that HE will establish. Being popular/catholic is also being of satan, as majority in this world are of satan.
        3. Tigilan mu yung kagaguhan na “apostolic succession”. Wala ka mababasa sa Biblia na “apostolic succession”. Mahalaga ba yun? Sila San Pablo ang kahuli-hulihan sa lahat, so wala na kasunod. Pag may apostol pa ngayon, siraulo nun sigurado. Kagaya nung nasa Marikina (kilala nyo yun). Lalong hindi apostol mga papa nyo, dami siraulo lalo dun, catholic history says that. Baka puro judas yung apostol.
        4. FYI, Bro Eli is so busy, if you know his schedules of expositions and Church gatherings. It will be too much burden for him to answer stupid challenges here. I invite you to our Bible expositions in our locales every first and last Friday of the month so your can talk directly to Bro. Eli. Or maybe you can email him at broelisoriano@theoldpath.tv kung gusto mo talaga mapahiya o magkanda-ihi sa pantalon sa pagsagot pag si Bro Eli nagtanong, kagaya ng daan-daang napahiya sa kanya sa debate at kahit isa wala umubra ever since.

      • I believe a religious debate would be a challenge. We could pass this along to our workers para malaman ng whole congregation. Once and for all, prove your catholic faith (if it is really true.) Postings/comments/replies here wont prove anything. Truth shall prevail…

  22. @Odan Matig-a

    Last August 2, 2011 at 1:27 am, i posted:

    “You must have been smoking, eating, and drinking a lot.. that is why you are making such foolish interpretations to satisfy your own thoughts; delighting in abomination.”

    >> Because i saw your picture, which was reflective of your character. Of course, now you removed it because i was correct. And so you replied:

    Odan Matig-a says:
    September 8, 2011 at 11:42 pm

    He… he… he…. You don’t know me! Your reasoning is “argumentum ad hominem”. You address directly to the issues not me.

    >> A man of God obeys His commands. HE HATES THE SLIGHTEST OF YOUR VICES. But, here you are, showing off and boastfully defend your strange faith which is purely non-biblical, coming purely from a dark mind. Why? because God says so; As it is written by Paul to the Romans:

    Rom 1:21-22
    21They know about God, but they don’t honor him or even thank him. Their thoughts are useless, and their stupid minds are in the dark. 22They claim to be wise, but they are fools.

    ——- 000 ——

    ALTHOUGH I DON’T SEE CORRECTION IN YOURSELF, i just want to add to what you posted.

    You boastfully claim that the “great multitude in white robes” (Rev 7:9) to be catholics because according to you, when catholics babies are baptized, they are dressed in white.

    If i were to think like you do, i ask you –

    1. are the dresses of babies called robes? in any manner, are they wearing robes during baptism in catholics?
    2. are the “great multitude in white robes” babies? are they babies? and “standing” before the throne?
    3. during baptism in catholics when babies wear white, were they holding palms?
    4. do you remember when you were being baptized? what did the priest told you? and what did you say or answer to the priest?

    You see, a man of God can honestly answer to questions of what he claims to be true, one-by-one, and very clearly and not keeping the one who asks “in limbo”.

    You may complain to my way of questioning or thinking or may call it absurd. That’s how absurd it is when you brought your idea of strange catholic faith.

    I wish you to settle your answer one-by-one to my questions.. hopefully at least within this month.

  23. cn s0m1 explain the meaning of my dreams? 4yrs ag0 i dreamd bwt the red m0on.. A po0rman speaking ont0 me w/ grait v0ice saying d0 n0t evr l0ok 2 the dragon and i als0 see hills crack firebal falls and s0m cryng and s0m are happy o what is hapining and these resent days i saw an describble thing in the cl0ud and i saw me and others cryng w/j0y praising our Lord and we are saying 2 each other that we r safe n0w, Aftr that i hd dremd again of a big c0ntenent fl0atng in d sky and again i heard myslf praise the Lord the salvation has c0m . What d0es all of my dreams mean?

  24. My friends, FAITH IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE! It really is! If you believed that your donation will be returned to you more than enough (Siksik, Liglig at Umaapaw), IT WILL! FAITH IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE! If you don’t believe in it, IT WON’T WORK! If you believe in it but it didn’t happened, then you will be discouraged, likewise, if you don’t believe in it but it happens, you’ll call it a miracle! Its just a matter of choices!

    If you believed that I am wrong, then my words are nothing, likewise, I AM RIGHT! And I became Genius! And I will look good to every one because I know something, then you will start to donate something for me because of it!

    Bro. Eli, once spoke on a TV program about 20 years ago, that you will be saved at the time of judgement by the purity of your heart (kalinisan ng iyong kalooban), no matter what religion or faith you believed or involved with. BRO. ELI’s WORDS IS ENOUGH TO EXPLAIN EVERYTHING! Purity of your heart is your salvation. What have you done to deserve it?

    If you love your family, stay with them and enjoy them while you can. That matters than stuffing your brains some things to think about – which will lead you to forgetting your family and yourself that you have a life too to be run by you as the master of your faith.

    Why bother raise issues and talk about it. ALL OF THE POEPLE SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING TO HAVE A CLEAN HEART, IT IS THE ONLY KEY TO EVERYONE’S SALVATION. Bro. Eli said this and I believed on what he have said many years ago. A simple passage in the bible that need no further elaboration.

    I know, I don’t have the voice in your organization. But if you believe on my words, FAITH IS WHAT YOU BELIEVE!

    • Mr. Eli Soriano opined:

      The Lord Jesus Christ said, and was written by Matthew,

      (Matthew 16:18) “And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”

      The word church came from God the Father and was spoken by our Lord Jesus Christ, and written by the apostles. It is part of His teachings! In fact, the word church was mentioned about 114 times in the writings of the apostles and the evangelists. It will not be written if it is not needed. It will not be built if it is not important. Agreed? God is a no-nonsense God. The idea and the structure of the Church came from Him.

      Reply:

      You think as you mentioned that the church is only a word that came from God spoken by the Lord Jesus Christ and written by the apostles. It is a part of his teaching. It is undeniable that you said that it is mentioned 114 times in the bible.

      The church I presume that is in the bible in your own thinking is the MCGI and you believe that your church which is founded in the Philippines is only an affiliate of that church. Do you agree?

      Now when you established your church in the Philippines… is the church in the bible is still functioning as an organized church or it’s already a non-existing church? After the apostles on earth who were their followers that keep the church alive? If they are non-existing today what remains of this church their relics and mementoes to prove that once upon a time there was a church established by Christ on earth?

      • @ odan: you’re so funny. lol. What an easy challenge! I suggest that you talk to Bro Eli directly than posting here your “challenge”.

        You have contradicting posts. You presumed MCGI is what we think the Church the Bible is referring to. The you asked if that Church is still functioning. Of course yes! In the 1st place, why will we affiliate in it if it’s non-existent? Will you join a certain organization that is not existing? Ridiculous questions..

        CHRIST is not stupid that after his apostles died, HIS Church will stop already. CHRIST founded the Church, HE manages it. MCGI is not Bro Eli’s church. It is against the Bible for a human to establish a Church, as CHRIST is the only permissible to do it.

        Relics and mementoes are only for worldly persons who are ignorant of GOD’s power to maintain HIS Church after the invasion by Romans (or catholics). CHRIST will be with the Church until the end of times, Mat 28:19-20. Relics are so unnecessary. Only catholics are fond of material things.

  25. JezZ says:

    @ odan: you’re so funny. lol. What an easy challenge! I suggest that you talk to Bro Eli directly than posting here your “challenge”.

    Reply:

    Tignan ko easy ba! Hehe…

    JezZ says:

    You have contradicting posts.

    Reply:

    Where is my contradictory post? Show me please.

    JezZ says:

    You presumed MCGI is what we think the Church the Bible is referring to. The you asked if that Church is still functioning. Of course yes!

    Reply:

    If the church in the bible you are affiliated with is still functioning where is that church in Jerusalem, in Nazareth, in the mount of Olive… please tell me where?

    JezZ says:

    In the 1st place, why will we affiliate in it if it’s non-existent? Will you join a certain organization that is not existing? Ridiculous questions.

    Reply:

    “Why will we affiliate in it if it’s non-existent?” You are asking this question… Prove to yourself that this bogus MCGI church is existing in other part of Jerusalem. Who are the leaders of this church after the apostles? It is a legitimate question. If you cannot answer my question you better get out of your church.

    JezZ says:

    CHRIST is not stupid that after his apostles died, HIS Church will stop already. CHRIST founded the Church, HE manages it. MCGI is not Bro Eli’s church. It is against the Bible for a human to establish a Church, as CHRIST is the only permissible to do it.

    Reply:

    You said; “CHRIST is not stupid that after his apostles died”; the question is… who took over their place? Who are these people? Can you name the people who took over the place of the apostles after they died?

    JezZ says:

    Relics and mementoes are only for worldly persons who are ignorant of GOD’s power to maintain HIS Church after the invasion by Romans (or catholics). CHRIST will be with the Church until the end of times, Mat 28:19-20. Relics are so unnecessary. Only catholics are fond of material things.

    Reply:

    Relics and mementoes are needed to prove the historicity of your church MCGI. If you cannot prove that it comes from the apostles that means your church is bogus and it is a cult.

    • Why are you asking where your contradictory posts are? I assumed you have reading comprehension, and you understood my paragraph #2 where I started the enumeration. Please think before you ask anything; don’t be careless as a lot people are laughing at you since you started entering Bro Eli’s blog.

      The crazy “apostolic succession” that you keep on pointing out is gross stupidity. Why? CHRIST has been working since the time of the fathers ’til the end of times. If HIS apostles died, who will replace them? It’s not a big problem for CHRIST. The thing we’re sure of, as St. Paul said, he is the last apostle. Therefore prophets should have arosen, although not written in the Bible. Another thing we’re sure of, a nation of GOD will rise in the end times as described in Daniel 12:9-10 and Jer 30:19-24. This is a lengthy discussion so it is best to ask this directly from Bro Eli. But definitely, popes and priests is an antichrists (Mat. 23:9).

      Relics and mementoes are fool’s evidences. GOD must be worshiped in spirit and in truth. There is no mention in the Bible that relics are of any importance in the Church established by CHRIST. It is even prohibited.

  26. Mr. Eli Soriano opines:

    4. The church built by the Father through Christ is the Church of God.
    And Mr. Eli Soriano quotes… II CORINTHIANS 1:1;

    Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

    Reply:

    The church here in 2 Cor. 1:1 is the Catholic Church. Church of God is one of the terms describing the church Christ built. In the bible the one that is most emphasized is that the church was established by Christ. Christ is God! In the book of Matthew he said that;

    18 “And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church”….

    Christ said “my church”! You see! But you think this is the same as the house of Israel which you interpreted as a church… where you said that it was established by God in the wilderness of Sinai. When you over-zealously interpreted the bible you come to this conclusion that the church was established by God for the “firstborn” in the desert of Sinai… and not by Christ. The people who are called the “firstborn” are the Israelites; therefore the church was intended first for the Israelites according to your interpretation. Is it correct? Please reply.

    And now you quote I TIMOTHY 3:15; to grab the name of the church mentioned as the MCGI. You are wrong! The church of the living God in the book is the Catholic Church because Timothy is the bishop of Ephesus and a catholic saint.

    “But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.”

    Mr. Eli Soriano says:

    5. The true church first existed in Jerusalem and the nearby areas of the Holy land.

    Reply:

    I agree! But if you are the true church how can you reconcile MCGI founded just recently in the Philippines and the true Church founded by Christ in Jerusalem? In your written teaching to your followers you wrote that there is an original church. I am reprinting below your idea and teaching of the original church. Here it is;

    “First and foremost, let us find out, which is the very first church? Nothing could be better than the original…. when it comes to the church, there is also an original, or the first church. And this is what we are going to talk about. Now, let us begin. Let us consult the Bible and ask: what was the very first church? “And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thou saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn.”

    Which was referred to as the firstborn? Israel is the very first nation that served God. It was the first nation on earth that was chosen by God. Deuteronomy 7:6-7says, “For thou art a holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth. The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you because you were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people.”

    God chose Israel, despite the fact that it was the smallest then. There were already a number of nations on earth that time. Egypt was one of them. There were already the seven nations, which were a lot bigger than Israel. Yet, God chose Israel to serve Him. (Israel refers to the Jews). Let us read

    Deuteronomy 7:1–

    “When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgasthites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Parizzites, and the Hevites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier
    than thou.”

    There were seven nations greater in strength and in number than Israel. But it was Israel that was chosen by God to be His nation. The Bible said, “The LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.” Although there were greater and mightier nations, God still chose Israel. In fact, the Bible even said, that they were the fairest of all people.

    That is why, if we are going to talk about service to God, Israel was the first. The Bible calls them as the Church of the Firstborn.
    Question: If Israel is the Church of the Firstborn; where can we find the word “church” in the old testament? Di ba laging tanong ng MCGI “kung meron bang “Catholic Church” nakasulat sa biblia? Ngayon kayo naman ang sumagot sa tanong.

    To be continued…..

    • Poor Odan. So mixed up.

      4. You have read Church of GOD but cannot see it in MCGI. Poor guy. He can only read the word “catholic” which is so obviously not written. Your so confused I pity you.

      5. Ang layo ng tanong mu, very illogical. Please organize yourself first. Naghanap ba naman ng salitang “Church” sa OT.

      6. Is it only in Rome that the Gospel was brought after Israel? Also, no one argues that it was not brought in Rome. Odan is so very confused right now.

      7. — 8. Bro Eli has said “both within Jerusalem and beyond. Tapos sasabihin mu “particularly to the Jews”. Wala ka naman kinokontra. Please meditate first before showing your mistakes blatantly.

      9. It was clearly mentioned “Gentiles”. Anung anti-Judaism? Your far-flung.

      I suggest that you directly ask Bro. Eli. In this thread, you just become funny with your poor reasoning. Bro Eli is always available to answer questions as stupid as yours.

      • I’m wondering why catholics claim that Peter was their first pope. Firstly, it was the doctrine of Christ not to call (religiously,spiritually) someone his father because there is only one Father. And Peter was assigned to Israel, St Paul was the one designated or assigned to the Gentiles (and was the one who went to Rome).

      • odan is a big liar not worthy to give verses in the scripture he will only insist the reasoning of the teaching of chatolic probably a…..

  27. Mr. Eli Soriano says:

    6. Jerusalem is the designated starting point of the preaching of the church and salvation, and not Rome.

    Reply:

    It was brought to Rome by the apostles. In Acts 23:11 it says;

    “The following night the Lord stood near Paul and said, “Take courage! As you have testified about me in Jerusalem, so you must also testify in Rome.”

    Mr. Eli Soriano says:

    8. The Lord Jesus know that there are people considered as His sheep outside of the church, both within Jerusalem and beyond.

    And he quotes JOHN 10:16;

    And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    John 10 : 16… is refering particularly to the Jews. They are the people that early christianity wanted to be converted to a reformed religion led by Jesus Christ.
    In ACTS 26:17-18… this refers to St. Paul during his conversion when he also became one of the Pillars of early christianity.
    17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
    18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

    Mr. Eli Soriano says:

    9. Not all people, especially the Gentiles, will hear the teachings and the law of Christ before they die, but will be justified. These certainly are not members of the true church, but because they have done the good things of the law, they will be saved come judgment day!

    And Mr. Eli Soriano quotes ROMANS 2:13-14…
    13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
    14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

    Reply:

    Wrong interpretation of Romans 2:13-14! These verses are part of the anti Judaism passages in the bible. These passages about the law refer to the Mosaic Law. What does verses 13-14 mean?

    It means that even if you are the hearer or you know the law you cannot be justified before God but if you are a doer or follower of the law you can be justified.

    But in verse 12 it says:

    “For all who have sinned(A) without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law.”

    You cannot be justified if you are a sinner with or without the law. In verse 14 it refers to the gentiles who don’t have the law, not a hearer or knowledge of the law and not a doer or follower of the law.

    The explanation is this… the Jews as the chosen people who are always strived to live in Jerusalem or the cities near Jerusalem. It’s their culture until today in Israel that Jerusalem is the center of people, culture and seat of government. Before and during the second temple if you committed a sin… you will be forgiven if you sacrifice a firstborn lamb in the temple. That is the law! But for a gentile who don’t have the Mosaic Law and lived far away from Jerusalem… how can they be justified? It says in verse 14 that by following their own cultural way which is morally upright unto themselves. But the new law in the Church that their sins are forgiven without going to the temple in Jerusalem… but by confessing their sins to a priest. This is a new reformed law put up by the new religion of Christ 2,000 years ago.

    Mr. Eli Soriano cites MATTHEW 25:32-40….

    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,
    Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    35 For I was hungry, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

    Reply:

    This is scene of the last judgement!

    These are not brethren in the church, but considered as sheep (those at the right hand) and have done good to the brethren of Christ in the church.
    The sheep in the fold and those “other sheep” which are not of the fold will be brought by Christ and they all will have one shepherd.
    JOHN 10:16, 3
    16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
    3 To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.
    The one shepherd mentioned is not anybody but Christ, the Lamb that will shepherd all those that will be saved.
    REVELATION 7:17
    For the Lamb in the midst of the throne will be their shepherd, and he will guide them to springs of living water; and God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

  28. AB says:
    December 2, 2011 at 2:47 am

    I believe a religious debate would be a challenge. We could pass this along to our workers para malaman ng whole congregation. Once and for all, prove your catholic faith (if it is really true.) Postings/comments/replies here wont prove anything. Truth shall prevail…

    Reply:

    May kabaliktaran tong salita na ito ah! Ang gusto mo AB ay ang panampalatayang katoliko ang magpapatunay kung totoo? Hindi tama yan at dapat ang mga bagong saltang relihiyon ang magpapatunay kung totoo nga ba sila. Tulad ng INC 1914 yan natayo ni G. Felix Manalo, ADD ni Soriano noong 1980 at hindi nila malaman kung ano ngang tunay na pangalan ng simbahan nila kase papalit-palit, may mga mormons na tinayo ni Joseph Smith sa America at ang mga protestante na lahat galing ke Martin Luther.

    Ganito kase to AB para ma-intindihan mo eh. Kung ang relihiyon mo ay bago lang salta tapos gamitin mo ang biblia bilang isang pundasyon sa panamampalataya mo tapos sabihin mo na ang mga katoliko ang mali eh hindi tama yun. Bakit? Dahil ginamit mong pundasyon ang biblia na pag-aari ng Simbahang Katoliko. Dapat ang gawin ninyo ay ganito; sumulat kayo ng sariling aklat pang relihiyon na iba sa biblia para mapasinungalingan mo ang relihiyong katoliko. Kaya nga yung ibang sekta ng kristiano noong araw ay meron silang sariling aklat na kontra sa biblia ng mga katoliko. Ito ay tinatawag ngayon na apokripa.

    Hindi ninyo mapasinungalingan ang Simbahang Katoliko kung gamit ninyo ay biblia dahil ang Simbahang katoliko ang may-ari ng biblia at sila din ang mga may-akda ng mga aklat na napaloob sa biblia.

  29. My friend once asked me this, she was actually scared that she won’t be saved because she does not belong to a certain Church, I just replied to her what Bro. Eli told us…thanks be to God..there is hope for a lot of people…

  30. Jesus founded only one Church. It is the Catholic Church. The Catholics Church still teaches that Catholic Faith and the baptism of water are needed for salvation( to avoid Hell).(John 3:5, Mk.16:16)

  31. To Lionlnadrades,

    Please feel free to research on this blogsite about catholic church. You will see what are flaws hidden by priests for more than decades and expose by Bro. Eli through reading the Scriptures. I hope you will be open-minded first and weigh things. May the Lord give you light on reading those articles. Thank you.

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