Salvation Outside the True Church


Most of the religions established by man teach that outside their religion there is no salvation. Here are some of them with their documented claims:

CATHOLICISM

LA SALVACION DE LOS NO-CATOLICOS

      CARTA DE LA SAGRADA CONGREGACION DEL SANTO OFICIO AL ARZOBISPO DE 

      BOSTON (MASSACHUSETTS, USA), DE FECHA 8 DE AGOSTO DE 1949.

      CONTROVERSIA QUE SURGIO EN EL COLEGIO DE BOSTON SOBRE EL AXIOMA 

      QUE DICE:FUERA DE LA IGLESIA CATOLICA NO HAY SALVACION”.

UNAM SANCTAM 

      Bull of Pope Boniface VIII promulgated 

      November 18, 1302 

MORMONISM

Mormon scriptures claim that the LDS church is “the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth” ( HYPERLINK “http://www.leaderu.com/offices/michaeldavis/docs/mormonism/mormon-books.html” \l “scripture” Doctrine and Covenants, 1:30).

Joseph Smith stated: “This [the LDS] Church…is the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth” ( HYPERLINK “http://www.leaderu.com/offices/michaeldavis/docs/mormonism/mormon-books.html” \l “scripture” Doctrine and Covenants 1:30). 

President Ezra Taft Benson said: “This is not just another Church. This is not just one of a family of Christian churches. This is the Church and kingdom of God, the only true Church upon the face of the earth…” (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p.164-165). 

Bruce McConkie stated:If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” ( HYPERLINK “http://www.leaderu.com/offices/michaeldavis/docs/mormonism/mormon-books.html” \l “doctrine” Mormon Doctrine, p.670).

JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES

You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth (p.255): “…there will only be one organization—God’s visible organization—that will survive the fast-approaching “great tribulation.” It is simply not true that all religions lead to the same goal. You must be part of Jehovah’s organization, doing God’s will, in order to receive his blessing of everlasting life.”

IGLESIA NI CRISTO (MANALO)

SEVENTH DAY ADVENTISM

Does the SDA church also teach that there is no salvation outside their church?

Seventh-day Adventist Church “Regardless of the pretext, or how righteous the cause 

may appear, separation from the visible remnant [the SDA church] is 

apostasy from the body of Christ.” (E.R. Bacchus, president of the Ontario 

Conference of SDA, Canada, in Messenger, October, 1994, p 2).

If one of these is right, then, all the others are going to hell! Or, are all of them going to hell because of their presumptuous judgment that they are giving without a bit of hesitation?

JAMES 4:12 (RSV)

There is one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you that you judge your neighbor?

It is not the belief of the only one true church in the Bible to judge those who are outside!

I CORINTHIANS 5:13 (RSV)

God judges those outside. “Drive out the wicked person from among you.”

The judgment that these religious groups are passing on to those outside of their religious caprices will be the judgment for themselves!

MATTHEW 7:2 (RSV)

For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.

If we have to base our belief on the belief of the true church in the Bible, should we conclude that there is no salvation outside? Primarily considering reasons and logic, salvation starts outside of the true church!

THE ACTS 26:18

To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

The first step to salvation happens outside the true church.

COLOSSIANS 1:12-14

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Those that were redeemed or saved from the power of darkness or satan is translated into the kingdom (church) of His dear Son.

Baptism is considered to be the formal act of affiliation or being a member of the church. After baptism, a person is considered inside the church. In the 1st century of our common era, the Gentiles, before baptism, (still outside) received the Holy Spirit.

THE ACTS 10:45-48

45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

If the Holy Spirit is one with the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ in the work of salvation, then, it is Biblical to say that the work of salvation starts outside the true church! Which is this salvation? This is salvation from sins and the power of darkness or of satan.

EPHESIANS 2:1-2, 5

1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, by (grace ye are saved;)

This is called salvation by grace without works because we are buried in sins in the power of darkness! How can we work or boast of any good work if we are dead in sins?

 EPHESIANS 2:8

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Notice the verb that was used in verse 8, “for by grace are ye saved”…. is in the past participle. People in the church are saved people. Saved from sins, from the power of darkness, from the power of satan! To say that there is no salvation outside the church is gross ignorance of the Bible!

After being saved from the power of darkness and translated to the kingdom or to the church, what comes next? We are waiting for the coming of the Savior.

TITUS 2:13

Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ;

As Savior, when He comes, He will be bringing salvation, other than that which was experienced by the members of the true church when they were saved from sins. This is yet another salvation, salvation from the wrath that is to come.

I THESSALONIANS 1:10 (RSV)

and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

But if we are to examine the context of the Scriptures, must we believe that only those inside the church be the only ones to be saved from the wrath to come? Let us examine this in a profound Biblical manner.

The Lord Jesus, when He was on earth, said:

JOHN 10:16

And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The fact is, there are sheep that are not of the fold or the church. They are not among the flock. The flock is the church.

THE ACTS 20:28

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

“….other sheep I have, which are not of this fold….”

The Lord Jesus Christ is saying that there are sheep outside of the flock or the church, and He will save them also!

The thief in the cross was not baptized in the church, nor was numbered among the 1st century Christians!

THE ACTS 2:47

Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

I CORINTHIANS 15:6

After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.

But nobody in his proper senses will deny that the Lord Jesus is going to save the thief come judgment day! Won’t this be sufficient to disprove the malicious claims and caprices of many insane religious leaders?

LUKE 23:39-43

39 And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.

40 But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? 

41 And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. 

42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. 

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

But will the thief be just a simple exception to the rule? Are there other human beings that will be saved outside of the true church?

Wait for another Biblical revelation in the next blog to follow God willing!

Sincerely,

Bro. Eli

81 thoughts on “Salvation Outside the True Church

  1. To God be the glory. Thanks be to God that we have Bro. Eli who blog this kind of hope, when other preachers teach lies on their hapless members, Bro. Eli on the other hand teaches us true justice of God Almighty.

  2. truly believed that,it reads!
    Thanks be to God we have a Bro . Eli strong enough to fight those have wrong beliefs

    KING JAMES VERSION
    EPHESIANS 6:12
    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the RULERS OF DARKNESS of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

  3. Thanks be to God for the clear explanation of Bro. Eli and for making us understand especially the most important things to attaining salvation…

    TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!!

  4. The doctrine of the Catholic Church teaches that; “outside the Church there is no salvation”… and Popes through the centuries have defended this doctrine. The reason is; the Catholic Church is founded by Jesus Christ.

    All other religions established by man labelled themselves as christians and they blaspheme the Church by spewing vile language. For example is the former priest Martin Luther… he rebelled against the Catholic Church. He is an apostate and he cannot be saved because his rebellion is not against the Church but against God. He translated the bible into German and interpreted it according to his own interpretation. And other books in the bible he deemed as apochrypal to which he had no authority because the bible is owned by the Catholic Church.

    Churches proclaiming themselves christian and of course established only by man in 1914 and the other one established in 1977 in the Philippines are not of Christ. These churches have the sign of a cult. The one in 1914 is a cult because members recognize their leaders coming from one family only. Members are also taught to believe that their leader is an angel from God. The other one established in 1977 is a cult because they look up only to one leader who can interpret the bible for them without authority. He avers that he has the HS and he is a perfect man who is chosen to be the prophet of God. There is another one in Davao who believe he is Jesus Christ.

    Even if you are a member of the Church this does not mean that you surely will go to heaven. The Church is only giving you a way. But if you are outside the Church and you firmly believe that your religion will save you then it’s up to God if he will grant you salvation. In Catholicism Christ reigns in heaven. His kingdom in heaven is still the Church.

      • Roy says;

        one clear sign of the cult is this: they make graven images, bow down on them and kiss them..

        Reply:

        In Catholicism holy images are not worship. If you insist in your argument that we worship then you do not understand what Catholicism is. The presence of holy images inside the Church is a 5,000 years old tradition. This practice existed already during the time of Moses because God commanded his people to make holy images to be put in his sanctuary. It is written in the bible.

        Cultism-means a great devotion to one person.

        Here is an example of “cultism”; virgilio j Lentejas. III on July 28, 2011 at 1:50 pm said;

        “good evening bro.eli is it ok if i will confess my sins here in the net with you hoping to understand my sins and eventually be forgiven in God’s will..”

        Virgilio J. Lentijas devotion to Mr. Eli Soriano that his sins can be forgiven through him is a form of cultism. Mr. Eli Soriano don’t have the authority to forgive sins. And imagine his cultic belief even went further that he can confess his sins through the internet and be forgiven by Mr. Eli Soriano. His belief is a cult and unbible.

      • @Odan Matig-a

        YOU SAID: “In Catholicism holy images are not worship. If you insist in your argument that we worship then you do not understand what Catholicism is. The presence of holy images inside the Church is a 5,000 years old tradition.”

        By the way, what is your definition of worship?

        How do you define those who put candles, flowers, food, kneel down before idols and graven images?

        YOU SAID: “This practice existed already during the time of Moses because God commanded his people to make holy images to be put in his sanctuary. It is written in the bible.”

        Please state the verse where it was written.

      • @Odan Matig-a

        YOU SAID: “In Catholicism holy images are not worship. If you insist in your argument that we worship then you do not understand what Catholicism is. The presence of holy images inside the Church is a 5,000 years old tradition.”

        ME: By the way, what is your definition of worship?

        ME: How do you define those who put candles, flowers, food, kneel down before idols and graven images?

        YOU SAID: “This practice existed already during the time of Moses because God commanded his people to make holy images to be put in his sanctuary. It is written in the bible.”

        ME: Please state the verse where it was written.

        YOU SAID: “Here is an example of “cultism”; virgilio j Lentejas. III on July 28, 2011 at 1:50 pm said;

        “good evening bro.eli is it ok if i will confess my sins here in the net with you hoping to understand my sins and eventually be forgiven in God’s will..”

        Virgilio J. Lentijas devotion to Mr. Eli Soriano that his sins can be forgiven through him is a form of cultism. Mr. Eli Soriano don’t have the authority to forgive sins. And imagine his cultic belief even went further that he can confess his sins through the internet and be forgiven by Mr. Eli Soriano. His belief is a cult and unbible.”

        ME: He is definitely not a part of MCGI. Remember that not everyone who conforms with the topics posted here is a member of the MCGI.

      • Catholicism is a TRULY FALSE RELiGION!…..you only based the things that can be seen not in spirit….if u are reading the bible u will understand it…though in the times of Moses….he have the ten commandments and one of the ten commandments is thou shall not make any graven image…in that u said is non biblical….

    • Thanks for sharing your spare time sharing your thoughts, Mr. Odan. The Catholic’s claim discussed here is not only the reason why it makes it clear she is not the true church. If you don’t mind, you can read related articles already discussed:

      https://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/17/the-roman-catholic-church-is-not-the-true-church-of-god/

      Bro. Eli said, “How could you say that there is “no salvation outside the Catholic Church” and at the same time, teach as doctrine that, in other churches not in communion with your church, that the Church of Christ is present and operative? Is this a blatant hypocrisy or a blatant lie?”

      And it conforms to what you said that “the Catholic Church teaches that; “outside the Church there is no salvation”… and Popes through the centuries have defended this doctrine.”

      But before ending your comment, you also said, “But if you are outside the Church and you firmly believe that your religion will save you then it’s up to God if he will grant you salvation.”

      • In my opinion if you were once a catholic you must re-think you present position because the truth is the Catholic Church is the true church established by Christ. At the age of 17 I was once also a rebel of the church. I tried the JW and attended their kingdom hall but I was not convinced that theirs is the true church. What convinced me back to the Catholic Church is that the Church has its apostolic succession. Meaning… the Church has its history that started from the apostles and Christ. And it convinced me more when I found out that in the New Testament there were only 7 original books written by St. Paul. And the rest of the epistles were written by catholics who were “doctors” of the Church. Therefore the Catholic Church is the owner of the New Testament.

      • @Odan How can be the catholic church established by Christ? When in fact the word “Catholic” is not written in the Bible? are you in your sound mind? Catholic church is not of God, it is the enemy of Christ. They prefer lies more than the truth because their deeds were evil. And also I would like to clarify that churches (especially the Catholic church) nowadays DO NOT believe in only one God, they have many godssssssss. And I’m 100% sure, that among those godsssss that they believe, not of them were true, they are all false and nothing but the false.

      • @ odan: there is no such thing as apostolic succession. Are you implying that there are another set of apostles after Saint Paul? His batch is the last.

        1 Cor. 4:9 >> For I think that GOD has set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death…

        Instead, the immediate appearance of the catholic faith, after the death of the apostles, and having its origin in Rome, is a, rather, dreadful one:

        Acts 20:29 >> I know that after my departure, fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock…

        2 Tes. 2:5-7 >> … for the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way…

        John paul II confessed the holy inquisitions and other murders done by the catholic church. How can it be a true church? It will never happen! Killing is forbidden by CHRIST.

        FYI: The Great Babylon referred to in the book of Revelations is obviously the catholic church. You catholics must be warned.

    • I don’t think that the catholic church can defend their claim about Jesus Christ’s being the founder of the catholic church.

    • I think the point is, If Catholic Church is the true church, why there are so many evil deeds that they commited in the past centuries. They murder thousands of Man in their Inquisitions. They rule the world, they are the rulers of man and not the God himself to rule over man. They have thousands of doctrines that contradicts with the teachings in the bible. Try to consider the fact that they are also powerful, they have lots of concordats in the past, during World War II. They were untouchable because they have a treaty with Adolf Hitler. Even the Powerful Pope Alexander has a power to divide the Expansion of Empire of Spain and Portugal. They invaded Lands to fulfill the mission of the Catholic Church. Why the Catholic Church didn’t opposed the cruelty of the Spanish Government in Governing the Philippines for more than 3 Centuries. Our heroes died for the Freedom of all Filipinos. The Catholic Church has its Dark Ages and it is considered evil. The Church of God must be holy. holy holy. The Opinions of men that give lies and deceit to others is in the Catholic Church. Many have killed because of its belief. Some popes opinion contradicts with another. Enough lies. . .

    • I don’t think Catholicism a cult either. (its something else)
      Neither Bro. Eli’s.
      …and eventually be forgiven in God’s will..”
      I think it’s not pointing to Bro. Eli. He knows the scriptures. Doesn’t it make sense?

      Please don’t look at the members. You should look at the teachings. That’s what Bro. Eli’s been doing. You don’t seem to believe in your Pope, do you?

      Thank you for saying this:
      “The presence of holy images inside the Church is a 5,000 years old tradition. This practice existed already during the time of Moses because God commanded his people to make holy images to be put in his sanctuary. It is written in the bible.”

      Would you mind if you tell us where you read these things from?

      For correction, at least. It seems you don’t believe in other translations (King James Version), read these verses in the Catholic Bible.

      2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
      2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

      Deu 5:6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
      Deu 5:7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
      Deu 5:8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
      Deu 5:9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
      Deu 5:10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

      In the Christian Era

      Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

      Read the bible. for…
      Rev 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

      Joh 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

      I read your replies:

      Am I correct that you have accepted that Catholic is not the True Church?
      If you have already known what you are following is not of God? Why stay?

      2Co 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

      Num 6:25 The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
      Num 6:26 The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.

    • You Said: The reason is; the Catholic Church is founded by Jesus Christ.
      Who said that? your Pope? What is the proof? Is your belief the same with the New Testament Church? Can you enlighten me on this?

  5. ooppsss, wrong explanation of verses!
    The thief was saved because he has a faith to Christ and he has no more chance to be baptized because he is on the cross and it is not applicable today because we are not on the cross.
    and regarding to john 10:16, it is a prophecy to the Church of Christ.

    • Oh that is such a sad and cruel logic. To think that it has to be exactly the same scenario before one gets an exception to be saved… Sadder to think that perhaps, crucifiction is no longer used as a method of execution today.

      If that is your religion’s belief, then it should at least show a most determined effort to preach to the world the teachings you so solemnly believe. However, that is hardly the case we see…

    • Rmanan, we understand that you’re an INC member and it’s not good to feel disappointed seeing your leaders can’t defend you. However, it’s not too late to contemplate and compare the teachings of your group and us. On the other hand, why should do defend a leader that can’t defend you?

      Please set aside biases first, kindly look at a different perspective, then read again what Bro. Eli said. There’s no harm in trying.

  6. JOHN 10:16

    And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    ——-

    The book of John is believed to be written 90-100 AD. This was written to counter the heresy of Gnosticism, Marcionism, doceticism, Zoroastrianism and etc… etc… These religions rejected that Christ is God. Judaism also rejected that Jesus Christ is God but Christianity originated from Judaism. The N.T. is the fulfillment of the promise in the O.T. Therefore in John 10:16 it shows that the author of John wanted to unite Christianity and Judaism. The meaning of the “other sheep” here are the Jews. It needs only for the Jews to recognize the gentiles.

    • @ odan: i’ve read all your posts are you are arguing illogically! wake up, your priests cannot fight for your catholics! they are all sissies! lambs protecting their mother sheep, where can you find that! poor catholics!

      Where in the Bible can you read that Christianity originated from Judaism? Post verses, not your illogical opinions!

      The “other sheeps” are not the Jews! Where did you get that joke? You better stop posting in threads like these because you just look funny. Open your eyes, all your reasoning are very irrational. Your linking things in a wrong way. No wonder the stupid priests also don’t know things in the Bible because they prefer kidding in their homilies!

      Let your priests and pope fight for you! If they don’t do that, then wake up, you are being fooled! Catholic Church killed the early Christians, how can it be a true church!

      From it’s very name/title down to it’s practices, the catholic church is pagan, and anti-CHRIST! What catholic doctrine was commanded by CHRIST? None! Most are hypocrisies, others are inventions by popes! Compose yourself man!

      • Jezreel B. Magbanua says:

        [@ odan: i’ve read all your posts are you are arguing illogically! wake up, your priests cannot fight for your catholics! they are all sissies! lambs protecting their mother sheep, where can you find that! poor catholics!

        Let your priests and pope fight for you! If they don’t do that, then wake up, you are being fooled! Catholic Church killed the early Christians, how can it be a true church!

        From it’s very name/title down to it’s practices, the catholic church is pagan, and anti-CHRIST! What catholic doctrine was commanded by CHRIST? None! Most are hypocrisies, others are inventions by popes! Compose yourself man!]

        Reply:

        Jezreel: The catholics were fighting for the church since day 1 of its founding. St. Peter and Paul were martyred in Rome for propagating the good news of the kingdom of Christ. During the time of Nero and Vespasian catholics were fed to the lions in the coliseum of Rome. They were not sissies when they faced death rather than give up their belief in Christ. Catholics conquered pagan Rome when Constantine the Great was converted to become a catholic. I think you have to brush up your history.

        Jezreel B. Magbanua says:

        [Where in the Bible can you read that Christianity originated from Judaism? Post verses, not your illogical opinions!]

        Reply:

        You can read Luke 2:21-22;

        21 On the eighth day, when it was time to circumcise the child, he was named Jesus, the name the angel had given him before he was conceived.

        22 When the time came for the purification rites required by the Law of Moses, Joseph and Mary took him to Jerusalem to present him to the Lord.

        Jesus was presented in the temple in the eight day. He was to be circumcised under the law of Moses. Therefore Jesus was a Jew… and as a child he believed in the religion of the Jews which is Judaism. In Christianity it is the belief in the teaching of Jesus as promised in the Old Testament which is the bible of the Jews. Therefore christian believers can be traced its origin from Judaism. Which is why our religion is called; Judeo-Christian.

        Jezreel B. Magbanua says:

        “The “other sheeps” are not the Jews! Where did you get that joke? You better stop posting in threads like these because you just look funny. Open your eyes, all your reasoning are very irrational. Your linking things in a wrong way. No wonder the stupid priests also don’t know things in the Bible because they prefer kidding in their homilies!”

        Reply:

        The other sheeps are the Jews which is why Jesus himself said in Matthew 15:24… “He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

        In Matthew 10:06… “Rather, go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

        “You see the “other sheep” are the lost sheeps of the house of Israel; and they are the Jews. Jesus regarded the Jews as wandering and lost, like sheep straying without a shepherd. They had been the chosen people of God; they had long looked for the Messiah; and it was proper that the gospel should be first offered to them.”

      • @ odan: you’ll see again how illogically you are answering:

        1. Pagan = idol worship = catholics
        Christians were fed to the lions, not catholics. Nowhere in the Bible can you read that Peter and Paul taught idol worship nor making of any kind of image. Your history is fraud.
        Catholic faith adopted a lot of pagan Roman practices, like the december 25 date of CHRIST’s birth, which is actually the birthdate of a sun god. Stupid popes

        2. I don’t where in the Bible can you read that the word “Judaism”, but present day Jews have the “confusion” that JESUS is not the MESSIAH. You didn’t directly answer my question, but you only responded to my suggestion that you should post verses.

        3. The “other sheep” can refer to non-Israelites, considering the reasoning you are presenting. Using the verses in Matthew, the “fold” in the book of John will refer to the “house of Israel”. Now that is contradicting. The “other sheep” must not come from “the house of Israel”, considering the reasoning method you are showing here. Got the point?

        Congratulations, you are improving by posting verses rather than using illogical reasoning.

        I strongly suggest that you ask Bro. Eli, or question him, so there will be better enlightenment on your end. We have Bible expositions on the first and last week of every month, in all ADD coordinating centers. I’m inviting you Odan, to correct the way you are reasoning.

  7. Thanks for this very educational and revealing article of Bro. Eli. It is a fact that majority of religions or religious organizations have similar claims, that there is no salvation outside the church.

    However, Bro. Eli speaks really different. He is a manifestation of God’s love for mankind. He does not condemn those who are outside of his Church, the Members Church of God International (MCGI). Instead, the moment you listen to him, you will be inspired to renew your life and embrace God fully.

    Indeed, you will feel that there is still hope for those who really want to be saved if you listen to the preachings of Bro. Eli.

    Now, I no longer wonder why almost all of religions with only one exception that I know, are the same. The MCGI group is really unique. Certainly, there is only ONE that is TRUE.

    Thanks God. May God always keep Bro. Eli safe and sound so he could continually help other people to salvation.

  8. Thanks be to God for having you around Bro. Eli. Without you, it would be hard for us to know and to understand God’s words and teachings. TO GOD BE THE GLORY!

    –they’re all the same, they claim that they’re true but their acts reveal what really are they.

  9. This is really a GREAT GREAT GREAT controversy, as well as it shows that all of them are guided by the same evil spirits! We know that! Cause we were members of those religions… we can testify that they have the same selfish behavior, the same nonsense doctrines, the same god and the same Fake Jesus, although masked under different church names, although they speak against each other, although they yet fight each other (as we can see here in our place they fighting for time on TV). And finally each and every one of them has the presumption to say: “Our group is the only one which will be saved” – as if they had the copyright of the holy gospel! Wow!

    Thanks be to God we were enlightened, thanks be to God we have faithful leaders, true doctrines and a religion which HOPES to find people of God yet outside the true church, for our God is merciful more than we can comprehend, and the gospel is abroad more than we can see!

    Thanks be to God for all this things !!!

  10. Thanks God for giving us brother ELi to fight all kinds of religious leaders of this world. To preach the true salvation and to expose the ignorance of evil preachers.

    • Bro Eli is a false teacher…. Always read your Bible and learn. Though it is also biblical to have a preacher sent by God, but how do you know that he is truly sent by God? Without checking his doctrine and studying the Bible in your initiative, you will never know. I heard many times (your Brother)Eli’s message in TV, and i can honestly detect that he is teaching another gospel (just like apostle Paul had warned us of another gospel or the false gospel).

      • Origs15 be specific, enumerate particular doctrines that you says Bro.Eli is teaching other gospel.Mind you that the title of the TV program is ” Itanong Mo Kay Soriano, Biblia ang Sasagot “.You’re just another false accuser,your not doing your homework of researching.

      • @origs15

        you said that you have heard many times Eli’s message in TV, and honestly can detect…
        MANY TIMES…

        now is July 25, 2011 and going… PLS GIVE ONE TEACHING YOU DETECTED coming from another gospel.

        Note: if you belong to those who are praising idols, don’t ever think you are in the true gospel.

  11. According to EYES blog;(Part 79)

    True church is a true Gospel,
    it means outside the true gospel is govern by the law of conscience.

    as stated;

    Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

  12. please origs15 garry is right to say that be specific… show us verses that you heard bro eli… that he is teaching another gospel that is not written from the bible…

  13. Are you vain like them, thinking that there’s no salvation outside of your church, rather than the truth that there’s no salvation outside of Jesus Christ?

  14. Some one above said:

    “Bro Eli is a false teacher… and i can honestly detect that he is teaching another gospel”

    Ok friend! How do I know that YOU is telling the truth about Brother Eli? How do I know that YOU are really able to “detect” that Brother Eli is teaching another gospel???

    Well… I’ll tell you how: FACE HIM IN A DEBATE. So easy! If you are really telling the truth, you will be really able to show to everyone around the world that you are indeed able to detect lies in what Brother Eli says.

    Good Luck! We will wait for your call!

    • @Brother Leo Santos;

      I can detect that he is a false teacher because he is teaching a passage in the bible claiming that the church was established in the wilderness of Sinai long before Matthew 16:18 was written. He told his followers that this is the church of the firstborn. I challenge anybody in MCGI to elaborate or give a clear explanation of this claim or else it can be understood that Mr. Eli Soriano is really the biblical false prophet.

      • @Odan Matig-a

        Hebrews 12:23 (KJV)

        23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

        ** Church of the firstborn.. who?

        Exodus 4:22-23 (KJV)

        22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

        ** the firstborn is Israel. The first nation chosen above every other
        nations during the time of Moses; the first church that worship God.

        Acts 7:38 (KJV)

        38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

        ** The church in the wilderness together with Moses
        and the angel that spoke to him in Mt. Sinai.

        Matthew 16:18 (KJV)

        18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

        ** because Israel, the church of the firstborn has fallen apart.
        They were sheep scattered without a shepherd.

        2 Corinthians 1:1 (KJV)

        1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

        ** This was the writings of St. Paul to the Corinthians,
        the church (assembly) at Corinth.

        ** The church started way back in the time of Moses
        called the church in the wilderness, in Mt. Sinai.

        Acts 7:38 (KJV)

        38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

        ** They were in the wilderness and it is the first church as told
        in the Bible. NO MAN is given the authority to establish his
        own church. The first church was established by God and it
        has been in existence. This was the church that Christ came
        to gather together, to re-establish (Mt. 16:18).

        ** AND WE ARE BEING CALLED by God as told in the Bible to join his church.

        2 Corinthians 6:17 (NLT)

        17 Therefore, come out from among unbelievers, and separate yourselves from them, says the LORD.
        Don’t touch their filthy things, and I will welcome you.

        Romans 12:9 (KJV)

        9 Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.

        ** THERE CAN BE NO PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN GOOD AND EVIL.

        2 Corinthians 6:14-16 (NLT)

        14 Don’t team up with those who are unbelievers. How can righteousness be a partner with wickedness? How can light live with darkness?
        15 What harmony can there be between Christ and the devil? How can a believer be a partner with an unbeliever?
        16 And what union can there be between God’s temple and idols?

        For we are the temple of the living God. As God said:
        “I will live in them
        and walk among them.
        I will be their God,
        and they will be my people.

  15. they cannot counterargue with this that’s why they keep commenting off-topic and unwarranted claims. everything in the above article makes logical sense and i’m confident that it can stand up to hard scrutiny. this is already truth in its purest form, they can’t win this. still, it doesn’t give us the right to be unkind to those who disagree with the Truth, does it?🙂

    • I like your attitude adbr. ^_^,

      To comment on these, what about if the evidence presented above is not true today? or at least to some members of that denomination? I really believed that there is Salvation Outside the True Church coz I know God Judges according to the light that each person have received.

      Personally, I don’t believe directly to any Leaders of the Church when they have made a comment for a certain things, I first check it also if it is aligned with the Scriptures. I listen and believe in the pure Biblical Truths only, if there are things the Leader of the Church have said, and I haven’t understand clearly, I ask God and Pray for the understanding and if by the time it’s not still clear, I just let it as be and don’t be troubled, it’s better to continue doing/keeping the things you already understand.

      I have watched one of Bro. Eli’s TV shows where one person ask about the Sabbath, the 7th Day of the Week, He discussed that it’s not applicable for us today, It’s not clear to me if what your group is keeping as the Day of Rest, so far I believed what God said in the Ten Commandments and this is the fourth commandment out of ten

      Exodus 20:8-12

      8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

      It’s very clear that Jesus Christ custom also is to keep the Sabbath like we read in Luke 4:16
      It’s very evident that this seventh day is the Saturday as we can see with the Jews/Israelites people today, they are still keeping Saturday as the Day of Rest, the safest way to do God’s will is to follow the example of Jesus, that’s why we are Christians because we are followers of Christ, not just a follower of other fellow Christians…

      This the reference for more study of the Sabbath Truth; http://www.amazingfacts.org/FreeStuff/BibleStudies/StudyGuides/tabid/105/ctl/ViewMedia/mid/453/IID/2-7/LNG/en/7/The-Lost-Day-of-History/SC/R/Default.aspx

      and

      http://www.whitehorsemedia.com/articles/?d=85

      I will listen to your Group’s Stand or point of view Regarding 7th Day Sabbath and The Ten Commandments,, do you believe that there is still 10 Commandments?

      Yours in Christ,
      Maria

      P.S. I’m sharing my convictions only with these things, I don’t want a debate, I just want to know your stand on these 2 subjects, let’s share together and learn together, there should be an absolute truth on these subjects.

  16. @Odan Matig-a

    i see your picture that you are of mature age. Indeed you really think you are so knowledgeable. A very big mistake. Bro. Eli’s understanding is not Bro. Eli’s. It is the works of God. Bro. Eli never boast that it is through his own hard work and diligence.

    What do you know about spirituality? NOTHING. You only speak of man’s knowledge.

    It doesn’t matter how old is your holy image, make it 6000 thousand years etc. It is God who instructed Moses alone (and not to other people) to make that images FOR DECORATION and not to adore. Did Moses adored the images? NOOOO!

    (virgilio j Lentejas. III on July 28, 2011 at 1:50 pm said;
    “good evening bro.eli is it ok if i will confess my sins here in the net with you hoping to understand my sins and eventually be forgiven in God’s will..”)

    Virgilio j Lentejas III IS NOT A MEMBER of the Church of God that is why he don’t know what he is asking for. You are thinking presumptuously, A VERY BIG MISTAKE.

    Bambi was reminding you the discussion is about salvation outside the church. How cruel and injustice it is for catholic church to claim there is no salvation outside of it. You don’t recognize God, that is why you can never have a clear understanding.

  17. @Odan Matig-a

    by the way: you were talking of cultism citing Virgilio Lentejas (not a member) asking for forgiveness through Bro. Eli… ironically, you suddenly had amnesia that it is the practice of catholics..

    you erroneously cite the making of images during the time of Moses… you must not have remembered when God commanded Noah to build an Arc. Good the Catholic Church did not pay much attention on that event, otherwise we would have seen many Arc-makings around the world until the present generation…

    • i agree, its the practice of the catholics. they say “we dont worship the images yet bow down on it” whats the purpose of it? that MEANS they dont actually feel the presence of the Lord because of no faith. they look the images so sincerely when they pray, asking, anything, telling anything to the creation of their fellow man which cannot hear neither speak. ISAIAH 29:13 – The Lord says: “These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.
      and when they do “ROSARY” they keep on repeating and bubling, i was a catholic b4 and i even participate this VOID practices without knowledge. leading the people into astray. as it was said in MATHEW 6:7 – “When you pray, don’t babble on and on as people of other religions do. They think their prayers are answered merely by repeating their words again and again.

  18. @Odan Matig-a

    if you still don’t know, MCGI means MEMBERS Church of God INTERNATIONAL.

    MEMBERS, because we simply became part of it. We do not belong to the original group (the apostles). They are already sleeping. We don’t have to build our own church, because it has been existing. We only need to affiliate ourselves to that Church (which is the Church of God).. How? by following all the teachings of what is written in the Bible; by becoming imitators of the original group.

    AND WHAT DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CLAIM?
    AND WHAT TEACHINGS AND PRACTICES DO YOU FOLLOW?

    INTERNATIONAL, because we are now going and are scattered internationally.

    I urge you to seek God so earnestly. Set aside your pride, your historical, worldly knowledge, and please listen carefully to Bro. Eli..:)

    • Roy says:

      [if you still don’t know, MCGI means MEMBERS Church of God INTERNATIONAL.]

      Reply:

      Are you sure MCGI is in the bible? As far as I know the original name of the church of Mr. Eli Soriano is the iglesia ng dios kay Kristo Hesus.

      Roy says:

      [MEMBERS, because we simply became part of it. We do not belong to the original group (the apostles).They are already sleeping.]

      Reply:

      You became a member of Iglesia ng dios kay Kristo Hesus or MCGI? If you do not belong to the original group (the apostle)… it means that your membership of a church is cultic… and your church is bogus.

      The original church of Christ is the Catholic Church. Bakit? Because the Catholic Church has its history of apostolic succession. Ang biblia ay aklat ng simbahang katoliko kase ang mga obispong katoliko ang nagbuo ng biblia noon sa “Council of Nicaea” o ang nag sulat sa ibang mga aklat. Kaya ang karapatan sa “interpretation” sa biblia ay dapat manggagaling lamang sa simbahang katoliko.

      Roy says:

      [We don’t have to build our own church, because it has been existing.]

      Reply:

      Yung MCGI ay church na yan eh pero pag sabihin mo na; “because it has been existing”… ang ibig sabihin po jan ay nakikitang totoo mula pa noong panahon ni Kristo. Hindi naman eh… kase hindi mo naman makikita kahit isang MCGI ngayon sa Herusalem. Kung biblia ang pag-usapan katoliko pa rin yan dahil simbahang katoliko ang may-ari ng biblia.

      Roy says:

      We only need to affiliate ourselves to that Church (which is the Church of God).. How? by following all the teachings of what is written in the Bible; by becoming imitators of the original group.

      Reply:

      Church of God… kay Mr. Eli Soriano yan na imbento. Ang teaching sa biblia na tunay ay nasa simbahang katoliko. Bakit na naman? Kase nga ang mga katoliko ang nagboo at sumulat ng biblia.

      Roy says:

      [AND WHAT DID THE CATHOLIC CHURCH CLAIM?]

      Reply:

      Ayan sa itaas nakasulat na ang biblia ay isang aklat ng mga katoliko.

      Roy says:

      [AND WHAT TEACHINGS AND PRACTICES DO YOU FOLLOW?]

      Reply:

      Siempre ang katoliko. Ang mga ritual o religious practice ng katoliko ay biblical. We are practicing it for 2,000 years.

      Roy says:

      I urge you to seek God so earnestly. Set aside your pride, your historical, worldly knowledge, and please listen carefully to Bro. Eli..:)

      Reply:

      Tignan mong gagawin mo sa akin gusto mo parehasin mo ako sa iyo na ginawa mong “cult figure” si Mr. Eli Soriano. Kung talagang totoo ang preaching ni Mr. Eli Soriano eh sana mapaliwanag niya yung teaching niya sa “church in the wilderness” na nauna pa sa simbahang tinayo ni Kristo sa Matthew 16:18.

      • @Odan Matig-a

        YOU ARE TALKING NOTHING BUT “PURE NON-SENSE”.

        I already posted on August 15, 2011 at 2:51 am, about “church in the wilderness”.

        If your sensitive mind can notice, we members can always quote the verses to support our answers. We can put more verses than our own words. We have no choice sometimes we need to explain, though it is already very clear in the Bible.

        What do we get from you? .. re-read and read again your own posts… you get NOTHING.

        Psalm 94:11
        The LORD knoweth the thoughts of man, that they are vanity.

        SO EVERYTHING YOU’VE SAID CAME FROM THE MINDS OF MEN!

        The bishops of the catholic council you are saying, are worst than the pharisees!

        SIMPLE… just hoping you would understand.

      • @Odan Matig-a

        THE IRONY with your thinking is that you BOASTFULLY claim that the catholic owns the bible, YET you cannot use it to support all your filthy practices.

        MIND YOU, MIND YOU, the catholic bible can always show you that all your practices are abominations in the eyes of God; the same practices of those that rebelled against God since the time of Moses…

      • @ odan: catholic church has no apostolic succession whatsoever.

        1 Cor. 4:9 >> Sapagkat iniisip ko, na pinalitaw ng DIYOS kaming mga apostol na mga kahulihulihan sa lahat…

        Romans are the one who killed Christians. catholic church did the so-called holy inquisition wherein many lives were murdered. Your pope john paul II confessed the crimes of the catholic church, maybe you read that article already, published in Rome.

        I suggest you just try to contact Bro. Eli and try to ridicule him with your “logic”. you can email him or ask in his expositions. Posting here will not help anyone because your reasoning is ridiculous.

        Please find an ADD coordinating center in your place, and every 1st and last Friday of every month, we have live Bible expositions wherein you will have the chance to talk to Bro. Eli live, starting 6pm.

  19. it’s true that their is salvation outside the church… but it does not mean after they save they will not unite to the church, they need to unite as what Jesus said at john 10 :16…beware man’s explanation read carefully john 10 and ask guidance from the holy spirit.

    • @ rmna: Bro. Eli showed the Bible’s explanation, not man’s explanation.

      John 10:16 is, of course, correct. Bro. Eli did not contradict this. Don’t make an issue on that. The fact remains, that there will be salvation outside the true Church, like the thief who died in the cross with JESUS and those Ifugaos in the Philippines who lived during CHRIST’s time and did the things of the law, as said in Romans 2:14-15.

      Bro. Eli is obviously guided by the HOLY SPIRIT when he explained this topic. Also I suggest, as a sign of respect, to at least type the 1st letters of the term “HOLY SPIRIT” in uppercase.

      May GOD enlighten you

  20. Thanks be to God! I’ve read all the comments that this Mr. Odan Matig-a said about their church! You only showed to us how bogus Catholic is. They have been blinded, preaching their own interpretation. Logically, people who tries to oppose the truth really don’t understand. Di kasi sila biniyayan ng pang-unawa. Mr. Matig-a ano pa ba hinihintay mo? Na masunog at hayaan ang kaluluwa mo sa impyerno dahil sa maling paniniwala. May isang tunay na Dios at isa lang Siya. Hanggat may pagkakataon kumilos ka na para sa ikaliligtas mo.

  21. The views of Jehovah’s Witnesses have changed regarding this matter. If a Witness knocks on your door you may ask them about this. Or you can read the article in this link..

    • In any way, a written document is more of an evidence than a verbal counterpart. Just like the catholics who do not know their real doctrine written in official catholic books. What you can hear from them is different with what their pope and priests believe.

  22. The Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that it is not only the true Christian that will be saved for God will be the one who will judge outside his true church. What Jehovah’s Witnesses’ asserting is that Jehovah’s Witnesses is the only true organization of God here on earth for it is written in Ephesians 4:4,5 that there is only one body of Christ i.e. the congregation of God and one baptism that Christian must be baptized. However, it is true indeed that those TRUE CHRISTIANS will be going out of the Great Tribulation. God is not partial as said in Acts 10:34 – 35. Jehovah God will judge every mankind through Jesus Christ even those without law (those who do not know the laws of God in every nation especially those who are NOT CHRISTIANS.) as stated in Romans 2:12 – 15 and Romans 7:7 – 9. I guess you just misinterpreted your quotes about the articles of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    34 At this Peter opened his mouth and said: “For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, 35 but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him.

    Romans 2:12 For instance, all those who sinned without law will also perish without law; but all those who sinned under law will be judged by law. 13 For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous. 14 For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15 They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused. 16 This will be in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.

    Romans 7:7 What, then, shall we say? Is the Law sin? Never may that become so! Really I would not have come to know sin if it had not been for the Law; and, for example, I would not have known covetousness if the Law had not said: “You must not covet.” 8 But sin, receiving an inducement through the commandment, worked out in me covetousness of every sort, for apart from law sin was dead. 9 In fact, I was once alive apart from law; but when the commandment arrived, sin came to life again, but I died.

    http://www.watchtower.org/e/20060701/article_01.htm
    http://www.watchtower.org/e/20060701/article_02.htm
    http://www.watchtower.org/e/200803/article_02.htm
    http://www.watchtower.org/e/20070301/article_01.htm
    http://www.watchtower.org/e/20070301/article_02.htm

    Matthew 7:13 “Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.

    1 Corinthians 1:10 Now I exhort YOU, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that YOU should all speak in agreement, and that there should not be divisions among YOU, but that YOU may be fitly united in the same mind and in the same line of thought.

    1 Timothy 2:15 Do your utmost to present yourself approved to God, a workman with nothing to be ashamed of, handling the word of the truth aright.

    I hope this will make clear with the readers about the standing of the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

    Sincerely,

    fromthesunrising

    By the way, you can visit my site at http://www.fromthesunrising.wordpress.com and http://www.fromthesunrising2.wordpress.com and at the official site of Jehovah’s Witnesses at http://www.watchtower.org

    • @ fromthesunrising: I’m sorry but you typed in so long yet you did not get Bro. Eli’s point. The JW being an organization is not the main point. Please see the sentence in bold font.

      “You must be part of Jehovah’s organization, doing God’s will, in order to receive his blessing of everlasting life.”

      This is the main point. Whatever explanation you make, this sentence obviously refers to the mandatory requirement of joining the JW in order to attain salvation. If you say that this is a typo error, then tell your writers to be careful next time.

  23. Eli,

    In response to the post of the article of the Jehovah’s Witnesses which I guess you misinterpreted, the Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that not only the Jehovah’s Witnesses will be save. In fact, it is stated in the Bible that for every man in every nation who does righteousness is acceptable to God. (Acts 10:34- 35) Also, it not in ourselves that we will condemn or judge the others. It is Jehovah God who will judge through his appointed son Jesus Christ. Jehovah reads the heart of the mankind. It is him who searches the the hearts of everyone. (1 Chronicles 28:9)

    Acts 10:34 At this Peter opened his mouth and said: “For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, 35 but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him.

    1 Chronicles 28:9 “And you, Sol´o·mon my son, know the God of your father and serve him with a complete heart and with a delightful soul; for all hearts Jehovah is searching, and every inclination of the thoughts he is discerning. If you search for him, he will let himself be found by you; but if you leave him, he will cast you off forever.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that not only the righteous (the servants of God) will be resurrected but as well as those unrighteous (those who have not come to know the truth) – Acts 24:15

    Acts 24:15 and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that not only true Christians will be saved and will go out from the Great Tribulation as stated in Revelation for those righteous people who are not in the congregation of God especially those people in countries which do not belongs in Christianity will also be excused from the judgment of God. It is asserted in Acts 10:34, 35 and Romans 2:12 – 15.

    Romans 2:12 For instance, all those who sinned without law will also perish without law; but all those who sinned under law will be judged by law. 13 For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous. 14 For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15 They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused. 16 This will be in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.

    However, entering to a true congregation of God is a way to have salvation. The Biblical texts that prove that are the following.

    1 Timothy 2:3 This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4 whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.

    Matthew 7:13 “Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.

    John 17:17 Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth.

    John 4:24 God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.”

    Romans 2:8 however, for those who are contentious and who disobey the truth but obey unrighteousness there will be wrath and anger, 9 tribulation and distress, upon the soul of every man who works what is injurious,

    I hope these make things clear with all.

    Sincerely yours,

    fromthesunrising

  24. In response to the post of the article of the Jehovah’s Witnesses which I guess you misinterpreted, the Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that not only the Jehovah’s Witnesses will be save. In fact, it is stated in the Bible that for every man in every nation who does righteousness is acceptable to God. (Acts 10:34- 35) Also, it not in ourselves that we will condemn or judge the others. It is Jehovah God who will judge through his appointed son Jesus Christ. Jehovah reads the heart of the mankind. It is him who searches the the hearts of everyone. (1 Chronicles 28:9)

    Acts 10:34 At this Peter opened his mouth and said: “For a certainty I perceive that God is not partial, 35 but in every nation the man that fears him and works righteousness is acceptable to him.

    1 Chronicles 28:9 “And you, Sol´o·mon my son, know the God of your father and serve him with a complete heart and with a delightful soul; for all hearts Jehovah is searching, and every inclination of the thoughts he is discerning. If you search for him, he will let himself be found by you; but if you leave him, he will cast you off forever.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that not only the righteous (the servants of God) will be resurrected but as well as those unrighteous (those who have not come to know the truth) – Acts 24:15

    Acts 24:15 and I have hope toward God, which hope these [men] themselves also entertain, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that not only true Christians will be saved and will go out from the Great Tribulation as stated in Revelation for those righteous people who are not in the congregation of God especially those people in countries which do not belongs in Christianity will also be excused from the judgment of God. It is asserted in Acts 10:34, 35 and Romans 2:12 – 15.

    Romans 2:12 For instance, all those who sinned without law will also perish without law; but all those who sinned under law will be judged by law. 13 For the hearers of law are not the ones righteous before God, but the doers of law will be declared righteous. 14 For whenever people of the nations that do not have law do by nature the things of the law, these people, although not having law, are a law to themselves. 15 They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them and, between their own thoughts, they are being accused or even excused. 16 This will be in the day when God through Christ Jesus judges the secret things of mankind, according to the good news I declare.

    However, entering to a true congregation of God is a way to have salvation. The Biblical texts that prove that are the following.

    1 Timothy 2:3 This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, 4 whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.

    Matthew 7:13 “Go in through the narrow gate; because broad and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are the ones going in through it; 14 whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are the ones finding it.

    John 17:17 Sanctify them by means of the truth; your word is truth.

    John 4:24 God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him must worship with spirit and truth.”

    Romans 2:8 however, for those who are contentious and who disobey the truth but obey unrighteousness there will be wrath and anger, 9 tribulation and distress, upon the soul of every man who works what is injurious,

    I hope these make things clear with all.

  25. The Jehovah’s Witnesses assert that there is only one organization and we believe that’s true. Yet there are people who do righteousness in the eyes of God but not come to know the truth that will be saved. Yes, there is only one true organization that will be saved. It says organization not only people in the organization. Hope this clarify the intention of the article.

  26. Odam says: “The original church of Christ is the Catholic Church… ”

    … and its explanation is, because the religion of Rome has APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION.

    um… I’m curious to know where in the Bible we may find a teaching about a catholic apostolic succession, which states The Apostleship IS STILL able to be establish in our days. We, MCGI, do not believe in it, because even the apostles didn’t believed in such thing. They were sure they were the last ones:

    “Sapaka’t iniisip ko, na pinalitaw ng Dios kaming mga apostol na MGA KAHULIHULIHAN SA LAHAT, na tulad sa mga itinalaga sa camatayan: sapaka’t kami’y ginawang panooring ng sanglibutan, at ng mga angel, at na mga tao.” – 1 Korinto 4:9

    THE CATHOLIC APOSTOLIC SUCCESSION FAILS! (not only the “catholic” but anyone!)

    So, if popes are indeed successors of the apostles, why they’re called POPES (fathers)??? They should be called also apostles, not popes! Do they think they’re superior than the true apostles?

    “At huwag ninyong tawaging inyong PAPA ang sinomang tao sa lupa… ” – Mateo 23:9 (sapaka’t papa means “father”, at lamang Dios ay aming Ama!) If the popes of Rome indeed followed the doctrines of the apostles, they should be called as the same manner as the original ones!

    And also… let’s put our minds to work: If the apostolic succession was true, why God would permit an evil organization to succeed His apostles? Why an idolatry forwarder organization? Why a false teaching forwarder organization? Why a murderer organization? But God would never permit it to happen!

  27. (copy paste from above topic)

    JEHOVAH’S WITNESSES

    You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth (p.255): “…there will only be one organization—God’s visible organization—that will survive the fast-approaching “great tribulation.” It is simply not true that all religions lead to the same goal. You must be part of Jehovah’s organization, doing God’s will, in order to receive his blessing of everlasting life.”

  28. @ Jezreel B. Magbanua

    The quotes of JW in their book “You Can Live Forever in Paradise on Earth” regarding the receiving of everlasting life is not mistaken by the JW but it is misunderstood by many people as by interpreting it as mandatory to have salvation. I think the words “you must be” should not be understood as compulsory (i.e. whether you like it or not you must be part of it to have salvation) but as one requirement in having salvation. In fact the statement is much broader in a future event (i.e. after 1000 years of millennial reign of Jesus) that is the final acquiring of everlasting life, and in order to have that gift you really need to be part of Jehovah’s organization and that is by doing God’s will for if you stop to follow his will you will not receive the gift of eternal life. The Jehovah’s Witnesses is not only speaking of having salvation in the coming judgment of God in Armageddon but of a much broader sense and that is having the gift of eternal life after all the wicked and rebellious people including Satan and his demons be destroyed (i.e. after 1000 years which is the time for the final test of mankind). In order to have that gift of eternal life you must be really inside Jehovah’s organization and follow God’s commands. There are lots of Scriptural verses in the Bible that speaks of being in the “truth” – i.e. being in the organization of Jehovah God and doing His will to have salvation. Here are some examples.

    Matthew 7:13, 14 – It states that there is a narrow road (which represents the true religion) that leads to salvation and there is a wide road (which represents to false religions) that leads to destruction. (Please see the whole texts in the Bible)

    Matthew 16:6; 12 – Jesus states an illustration to be careful with the teachings of the Pharisees and Sadducees (which represents the false teachings of many lay leaders)

    Matthew 15:13 – 14 Jesus states whatever plant which is not planted by his father will be pulled out and it represents the false teachings that will be pulled out. Also it states blind leaders of the blind will both fall into a ditch.

    2 Timothy 2:23 – 26 states to be gentle in correcting other people so that they may have opportunity to repent and come to know the truth

    2 Timothy 3:8 – 9 states that there are some people like Jannes and Jambres who opposed the truth – people whose minds becomes not good.

    2 Timothy 3:13 states that wicked people and impostors will keep going from bad to worse, deceiving others and deceiving themselves.

    2 Timothy 3:15 states to continue in the truth and that knowing the holy scriptures will give us wisdom that will lead to salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.

    2 Corinthians 6:14 – 17 (*v. 17 states to get out and separate ourselves to what is unclean (that includes false teachings) and God will accept us. (see also Revelation 18:4 which states to get away from the Babylon the Great (the empire of false religions) and not be part of her sins in order not to share with her punishments.

    Romans 2:8 states that for who disobey the “truth” and obey unrighteousness there will be wrath and anger.

    2 Thessalonians 2:10 – 12 states that those Christendom religious leaders have their deceiving words for those who are “perishing” because they did not accept the “truth” for them to be saved. So God allow to let the error work in them in order for them to believe what is false and in order for them to be judged because they did not believe the “truth” but taken pleasure in sin.
    To have salvation one must put his faith in reason. Faith in reason could only be found in the truth. And we believe that Jehovah’s Witnesses is an organization of God which teaches truth to the people. As stated in Daniel 2:44 Jehovah God will set (had already set up in heaven) a heavenly kingdom that will destroy all the kingdoms on earth and that this kingdom (Messianic Kingdom which rules by Jesus Christ) will continue to rule forever. Therefore, from that point there is only one organization that will survive in the coming judgment of God. I think the readers should read the links I posted in my first comments.

    • @ fromthesunrising: It’s better to post here one of your sold books or any of JW reference that shows salvation is not solely meant for JW’s. We understand your reasoning but what Bro. Eli is talking here is your published statements.

      Never in the Church of GOD will we say “You must be a part of our Church in order to attain salvation”. It is always followed by “…when you already heard of the truth”. In case that you really tell a JW doctrine with your reasoning, then the posted statement from JW’s was carelessly published that will surely create confusion, without the reasoning you just showed.

      What the common non-members of your church know about JW is this: only 144,000 will go to heaven. I have a classmate who is a member of your congregation. That assertion is definitely a closed one.

  29. Eli,

    The word “you must be” does not mean as compulsory but as a call or invitation to have salvation. Being part of Jehovah’s organization is one way to have salvation because you can only achieve truth only from God’s congregation. But there is also other way to have salvation that is as long as you don’t know the truth yet your are doing righteousness and that is salvation through works. Another way who will have salvation is those who have faith but without having a chance to show it by works just like the one sinner in the torture stake beside Jesus who repent sincerely. The other way of having salvation is those who have faith and works which includes the true Christians of the true church. James 2:14 states that faith without work will not save one. (people who live faith without works).Romans 10:5 are people who applies the law will also live by that righteousness (people with law but not come to know the truth – these includes the people outside the true church of God but does righteousness) and finally, Galatians 3:11 which includes people who had faith in some or few fundamental truth yet did not come to know the whole truth and had not been part of the true religion because of death or by difficult situation. Therefore, what the JW is asserting in that you have quoted is that it is a call or an invitation to be part of Jehovah’s organization that will give us a chance to have the gift of everlasting life.

    Yours truly,

    fromthesunrising

  30. @ Odan Matigna

    Cultism-means a great devotion to one person.

    Here is an example of “cultism”; virgilio j Lentejas. III on July 28, 2011 at 1:50 pm said;

    “good evening bro.eli is it ok if i will confess my sins here in the net with you hoping to understand my sins and eventually be forgiven in God’s will..”

    *********************

    And how will you call those ‘BLIND CATHOLICS’ who ‘FALSELY BELIEVE’ their sins will be forgiven by confessing to their priests… Then they will be asked to kneel down in front of a graven image and pray 3 hail mary, 3 our father, 3 glory be. You strongly believe God will forgive them bey doing so? Isn’t that exactly how you define “cultism” by your example above?

  31. @ Odan

    Ang katoliko ang sumulat ang biblia…

    Granted, sila ang sumulat or the best term that should have been used is ‘translated’ the Bible from its original language, does that NECESSArily mean that the Bible is YOURS and your church was the one who CREATED the bible???????????????? Such a pathetic claim…
    ***********

    As what I’ve noticed, you are not answering or defending your church if its works or mistakes are questioned , rather you just answer by pointing out others presumed ‘mistake’.

    You don’t know MCGI and the teachings that we have heard and understood… But you see, even the outsiders, not from your church nor from Church of God clearly sees the mistakes, the false teachings, the wickedness and the fruits of the church you are trying (in vain) to defend.

    I feel so sorry for you, for your church and its members… Even your popes admit your church’s false teachings… One pope’s statements contradict against the others…

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