Its Not God’s Fault; Blame the Hypocrites!


God has been the subject of criticism among the agnostics, atheists, the not-so believing, and the innocent.  Whenever natural calamities strike humanity, the enemies of God have a ready target in the person of somebody whom they do not believe to exist — rendering themselves as idiots (Jude 1:10)

“But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.”

If only they are using their power to think, their allegation that “if there is a God, why is he permitting these things to happen?”, they should have realized the truth that there are things that happen on earth beyond the control of all humanity; proving that somebody more powerful than man is doing such thing.  Their criticism, if investigated, will compel them to believe in the existence of God.

The notion that “if there is a God these should not happen” gives honor to God whose existence they deny.  They are unwittingly  proving that God is a God of goodness — who must not permit these things to happen.  Let us investigate

Earthquakes (like the very recent one in Haiti), volcanic eruptions, and tidal waves are acts of God.

(Job 9:5-6)

“Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.  Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.”

(Amos9:6)

“It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name.”

Although not all catastrophes are acts of God; there are those caused by the recklessness and irresponsibility of men (Rev. 11:8)

“And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.”

Flash floods most of the time is caused by the irresponsible act of greedy loggers, who by influence ,were able to secure permits from corrupt government officials. The proliferation of non-bio degradable materials in the water systems is also a cause of flash flooding causing the death of poor people in human society.  Whenever these things happen people always look for the person to blame; sometimes even blaming God who has nothing to do about it.

If people will only be wise in analyzing these  things, even those which can be regarded as “inevitable”, it will be more prudent to look for the cause rather than looking for someone to blame.

God is a loving and compassionate God; but  why would such a God cause a tidal wave, earthquake, and a volcano to erupt?  Let us find out the reason.

In his sovereign power, God must be obeyed, feared, and respected.  Fearing him means keeping his commandments (Eccle. 12:13).

“Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.”

Keeping his commandments also means loving him (1 John 5:3)

“For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.”

God is worthy to be loved because “…because he first loved us.” (1 John 4:19)

“We love him, because he first loved us.”

If we love God we will merit his favors.   All things will work for the good of those who love him.  (Rom. 8:28)

“And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.”

If we love him and obey his commandments, God promises his blessings and protection to us. (Deut. 28:1-9)

“And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth: And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.  Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.  Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.  Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.  The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.  The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.  The LORD shall establish thee a holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.’

There is a very important thing to ponder:  our God-given power to choose proves the existence of an Almighty God.  We have been endowed with the power to obey or even to disobey.  (Deut. 30:19)

“I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live…”

If it is our willful choice to disobey, curses will inevitably follow.  (Deutoronomy 28:15-22)

“But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: Cursed shalt thou be in the city, and cursed shalt thou be in the field.  Cursed shall be thy basket and thy store. Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.  Cursed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and cursed shalt thou be when thou goest out.  The LORD shall send upon thee cursing, vexation, and rebuke, in all that thou settest thine hand unto for to do, until thou be destroyed, and until thou perish quickly; because of the wickedness of thy doings, whereby thou hast forsaken me.  The LORD shall make the pestilence cleave unto thee, until he have consumed thee from off the land, whither thou goest to possess it.  The LORD shall smite thee with a consumption, and with a fever, and with an inflammation, and with an extreme burning, and with the sword, and with blasting, and with mildew; and they shall pursue thee until thou perish.”

God is a just God that executes loving kindness and justice upon the earth. (Jer. 19:24)

“But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.”

His justice and counsel will prevail.  (Isa. 43:13)

“Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?”

It will not be justice for those who obey and love God if he will not execute his judgment against those who mock and hate him.  (Gal. 6:7)

“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”

In a court of law it is justice to punish the offender and relieve the offended.  (Gal. 5:10)

“I have confidence in you through the Lord, that ye will be none otherwise minded: but he that troubleth you shall bear his judgment, whosoever he be.”

If we are wisely looking for the cause of all the unfortunate things that is now affecting humanity:  sicknesses, natural disasters, wars, discontent, and many more, we have nobody to blame but ourselves.

I believe that the atheists, agnostics, and those who say they believe in God (but disobey Him) are the main cause of the evils and sufferings that affect human society.

(Titus 1:16)

“They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.”

(Psalms 53:1)

“The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.”

Let’s now ask ourselves, is God to be blamed for all of these?

No!

Blame yourselves, atheist! Blame yourselves, hypocrites!

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123 thoughts on “Its Not God’s Fault; Blame the Hypocrites!

  1. My only regret is to have been baptized late in life, I have been watching Bro. Eli’s programs as far back as the late 80’s or early 90’s–I could no longer recall (the only reason being is that after his program, Saturday morning cartoons would follow; in the same way as Herbert W. Armstrong’s program would precede weekend cartoons on the other channels–the reason why I got also interested in Armstrong’s church and subscriptions to ‘Plain Truth’ back in highschool, though schooled at a private Catholic school). I have seen versions of Bro. Eli young and fiery, up to the cool and calculated preacher that he is now. It pains me to hear him say about him being old and worn out. How I wish to see him young again, but to still retain the steady progression of understanding of God’s words as he shares them inside the church. How I wish I could see you in person, Bro. Eli. For when I was finally baptized in 2006, I haven’t got the foggiest of ideas that you were no longer here. May God give you more life, health, and strength for the tons of work you and Bro. Daniel will have to do. ssD!!!

    • Bro. Roy, just like you I also came from the Catholic church. I was even active during my highschool days. But, after hearing Bro. Eli for few months, I decided to join and get baptized. I was baptized last 1997 together with my parents and my mother’s friend (who happens to be the wife of one of our brothers in Christ). I’m certainly sure that there’s no religion or pastor during our time that can match ours.

      To God be the Glory and Thanks be to God!

  2. I hope this article will open the hearts of those unbelievers. May the Lord God continue helping Brother Eli to reach out other countries, specially the poor ones like Haiti.

  3. As Bro Eli said; Biblically speaking, if we have to be save from these CALAMITIES we have to consider acknowledging GOD in our everyday life. May all the nations of the earth put GOD in their priorities and may GOD save us.

    • Thank you!
      Because we have viewers who spend time in reading bro Eli’s blog.
      I believe that time will come they will realize that bro Eli is talking the truth guided by the holy spirits.
      We have to believe that all these things happen to human kind are just to REMIND US that there is “GOD” a powerful GOD and the father of all creations on earth and outside the earth.
      Like what Bro Eli Soriano said the best reason to live and to die is for the glory of our Creator! Let’s use our allotted time as wisely and profitable as possible. Let us not be tired of doing good to other people, we will reap in due time. With all these thoughts of Bro. Eli I believe and we have believe that they are biblical and inspired by the holy spirits.
      Unlike the others who have just gives their comments to this blog …. without any basis and not even be considered helpful to human life. But most of time they are the one who are create and make our environments and societies worst and dangerous.
      Just simple words to them like bro josel said…
      False prophets, atheists, agnostics, hypocrites, ….. Repent before it’s too late!
      THANKS BE TO GOD! For sending us Bro. Eli our sensible preacher of our time who spent time and ready to spend more time in propagating the words of GOD.

  4. It is most unfair to blame GOD for the faults of those who do not pay attention to GOD’s will, indeed these hypocrites are the ones that should blamed !

    For those who are still atheists and agnostics, you better change your minds while you still have the chance to repent and acknowledge GOD and His goodness. I hope you realize the things which Brother Eli teaches us in this blog …

    Atheists, agnostics, hypocrites, ….. Repent before it’s too late!

    • Disasters and calamities is also essential process of cleaning the unwanted elements toward obtaining an everlasting life. Imagine if those hypocrites continues to proliferate then the God-fearing and truth loving being will be marginalized.

  5. those tragedies reminds us that there is God. No man can manage nor control the natural calamities, the Supreme Being is the One who commands it.

    Bro. Eli Soriano elaborated it perfectly.

  6. I truly believe what Bro. Eli is explaining.He is the only preacher in the world in the present time who can answer all our questions about faith truthfully and sensibly.

  7. Belief is different from knowledge. Believing in something doesn’t necessarily make it a fact.

    I cannot prove the existence of god by means of facts. Neither can I disprove it. I simply choose to believe what i know is true.

    If being wise means I am to think like you, I’d rather be dumb and think for myself.

  8. Hebrews 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

  9. Thanks be to God for the wonderful righteousness that you shared to us br. Eli.. The earthquakes or calamities that’s happening in our time is not fault by God it is the False Preachers today that claiming they know God but the truth is not. the proof is their wrong doings and their teachings are not according to God’s will but it’s according to themselves because their God is their belly. May God help you always Br. Eli and Br. Daniel.

  10. AMEN!!

    Thanks be to God for sending us Brother Eli. Truly he is the only sensible preacher in our dispensation. To God be the Glory Forever and Ever!

    Salamat sa Dios.

  11. It is not the criticism of an entity that is the centerfold for scrutiny–however, it is the satirical underpinning of logical blunders that are under attack.

    Witticism’s are appear in many facets–parables of ridicule– in hope to lay bare the blunders of indoctrination.

    The belief in an entity is never attacked–albeit, its conceptualized merit is.

  12. There was a woman in one of the streets in Haiti screaming “God we know that you can kill us, that you are the strongest, but you do not need to show us.” She might be an innocent who unfortunately live in a place where most of the people there practice ways of life abominable in the sight of the Lord that’s why curse has fallen unto them. Haiti which is a country not stranger of sufferings only proves that curses cleave unto them. Though this seems untimely to implicate those people in their time of despair but we couldn’t disregard the fact that it is because of the wrongdoings of the hypocrites and evil people why they are being cursed and inevitably the innocents suffer.

    It is just a very nice consolation to hear the verse mentioned by Bro. Eli which is Rom. 8:28

    “And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.”

    Woe unto the hypocrites and evil-doers in that country. Blessed unto those who are innocents who suffer because of the wrong-doings of others, because they shall be comforted. In some other way, that tragedy has opened doors and opportunities for good people to extend help for the Haitians. There are an outpour of charity works from different groups around the world to help the people of Haiti. I just hope that those donations for charities in Haiti will rightfully distributed to the needs of the victims and not be a backdoor opportunity to the greeds.

    • Shame on you who label others “hypocrite” simply because they choose a belief different from you. Shame on you, arrogant fools, who blame them for these natural calamities. Remember that the same train thought was used throughout history to persecute and murder hundreds of thousands of people.

      Do not presume to act like God when you judge someone to be evil or innocent. Do not presume to think like God when you deem an event a punishment for the wicked. You do not have the slightest idea of God. No one has.

      • why would you say they are hypocrites, just because they have their point cleared and understood based on the scriptures, i believe that punishment is for the sinners, and the purpose of living here on earth is to follow Gods commandments, thats is why we in the chuch of God tries everyday to live in righteousness, If you are a believer of God you will believe in his commandments, for you to see if what other peoples belief is in accordance to the will of God, if you dont know the commandments of God you may ask Bro Eli,,

      • you don’t believe in God right, but then you are comparing people with someone that you don’t believe – who is the real fool then? if you just read this you are indeed inside the bible
        (Psalms 53:1)

        “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.”

  13. that’s how justice of God will be- the Bible explains through Bro.Eli… somehow it teaches us to be repentance of all our transgressions against God.

  14. GOD wants us people to live according to HIS commandments which are not hard.

    If people learn to love,contented, satisfied and give importance to all that GOD has given us, resources and everything that we need,we will not end up to this kind of tragedy.

    Shame on you that blame GOD with this tragedies, influential people in authorites, illegal loggers, miners, factories,etc, are the main factors that contributes and affects our environment very badly.

    Things happening around us now really proves that there is one GOD that is above us all. I think its a call for us people to think why all these thing happening, it did not happen only for nothing, there must be a reason …. If we cant erradicate bad people, atleast we could lessen them with continues prayers, broadcast of the word of GOD by bro Eli, we could still make a difference together.
    Watching all the casualties, i cant hold my tears for the innocent people being the victim of all the greediness of influential people who only think of themselves. I hope this tragedies will serve as an eye opener for all of us, GOD is our refuge and our only help…Thanks be to GOD.

  15. People should not blame GOD for disasters that He may or may not have done. Rather, people should be thankful for we’re still alive and for everything He continually provides us despite the stubbornness of those who despise and reject Him.

  16. To GOD be the glory.Thank you bro.Eli for educating us.

    To those people who don’t believe GOD Why you don’t ask

    bro.Eli more question from your hearth, any questions under

    the sun,really you can have peace in your mind.

    more power to you bro. Eli.

  17. Some people act as if they know fully what god is and what god wants. They find comfort in the idea that they are living according to god’s will and others are not. They find merit in their actions by looking for faults in others’.

    Their basis is the Bible. The Bible is a book… maybe authored by a supreme and omnipotent being but still written by a man, a flawed and imperfect being. The book may have contained the words of god, but one cannot be absolutely sure unless he was personally present during it’s creation.

    No one knows the truth. We are free to believe what we think is true but we cannot blame others for believing otherwise. To judge others according to our own faith is utterly unfair. It is like judging a Muslim according to Christian doctrines. It is not necessary that others be wrong for us to be right. We might both be wrong and we might both be right. In the end we are all going to be judged according to our conscience not by our faith.

    Shame on you who label others “heretic” simply because they choose a belief different from yours. Shame on you, arrogant fools, who blame them for these natural calamities. Remember that the same label was used throughout history to persecute and murder hundreds of thousands of people. Remember the Spanish Inquisition. Remember the Holocaust.

    Do not presume to act like God when you judge someone to be evil. Do not presume to think like God when you deem an event a punishment for the wicked. You do not have the slightest idea of God. No one has.

    • This is a very moving article by Bro. ELi. Always “To GOD be the Glory!!!
      For those who comment otherwise, or who do not believe in GOD’s word in the Bible you shall be judge on the word of GOD that you do not believe. May the good Lord open your heart.

      Amen.

    • i dont know if you’re an idiot or you’re just acting like one. they don’t presume to act like God like you’re pointing out. shame to you nyj because you couldn’t understand what they’re pointing out, I’m sorry to say this but, you can’t understand because He’s not giving you understanding. (dan 12:10)

      and Bible is NOT JUST a book. it’s a compilation of books that has all the laws of our Creator. and it’s authenticated (deut 58:28)

      and who are you to say that we don’t have the slightest idea of God when He reveals Himself to us by the means of Bible? (exo 20:5).

      you said that we don’t have the slightest idea of God, no one has, when it seems it’s you’re the one who dont have the slightest idea of Him.

    • you said that Bible is only a book, did you read all the pages in the Bible? Because I believed that God’s words, God’s commandments are written in the Bible and it must be follow by men to be save. did you see any mistake in the bible? because you said that it is only a book implying that the bible is not reliable to be a basis of faith. thats why im asking you if you already read the bible?
      ICor.4:6 says
      And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.

  18. If all us have fear on God and obey His commandments… truly there will be no hindrances to see how beautiful God’s creation were….

    Why blame God for all disasters, troubles or problems that we meet in our ways… BLAME THOSE corrupts government officials, greedy individuals, and those HYPOCRITES that despite they knew God they did not recognized him, they were the one who make humanity blindfold for their own interest and that could not see HOW BEAUTIFUL WERE THE CREATION OF GOD.

    Thanks be to God for giving us Bro Eli….

    To God be the Glory…

  19. Hypocrites sometimes blame others to avoid being liable in their misdeeds. Good thing we have Bro. Eli that can exposed such deceptions and points who really is responsible for these catastrophes.

    Thank God for keeping us and giving us understanding about such situations!

  20. When I first joined the Church of God, I have always wondered how will this world experience the great tribulation that Jesus had fortell two centuries ago?

    Now I ponder not and truly believe that every word of God is true and not to be doubted!

    For the last decade, we have experienced and seen some of the dreadful natural calamities around the globe wherein tens of thousands of people have died. These are more than enough proof! These natural calamaties are happenning so frequently and I believe that more are coming until that ‘great tribulation’.

    Let’s start with ourselves and with God’s help, let our innerman maneuver throughout our service to God and let us help our preachers with utmost perseverance!

    May God bless us all and pray that the Truth within us can reach out to the nations that are being mislead by false preachers.

    I thank God that we understand these things and have peace in our hearts. All these weren’t possible if we have not met God’s preachers, Bro. Eli and Bro. Daniel!

    To God Be The Glory, Forever, Amen!

  21. I have learned so much just by spending 6-8 minutes reading this blog.

    Answered alot of my questions that has haunted me the past 2-3 years since hurricane katrina here in the US.

    It’s so funny and yet very sensical how you said that atheist themselves prove the goodness of God.

    You truly are the man of God brother Eli, thanks be to God as always for giving you this beautiful knowledge where you can’t hear or see anywhere else on earth!

    I pray always for your safety my brother, may God take care of you.

    • tell me, does your mother slap you, tell you youre a worthless good for nothing? When youre about to do something that may be dangerous, does she do nothing and watch on? When youre hurt b that something, does she go on and slap you again for being so stupid? Does she say she will only ever love you just a little bit, if you dedicate youre entire life to loving only her, and obeying her every command without question?

      No? then your mother is a far more “good” being than your god. How can you condition love? Ill love you only if you love and obey me? And if you dont love and obey me ill send you to a palce of INFINITE pain and suffering for ETERNITY?

      How id that, in any way, the behaviour of a good god?

      Oh and pondering “if there is a god why do bad things happen?” is not in any way an argument for the existence of a god, nor his being a good god.

      In fact the pondering is because people want to believe in a good god but seeing the suffering world around them DIRECLTY CONFLICTS with the idea of a good god.

      Does it matter of god caused x disaster? Does it matter of x evil human did it? If god loves us, wishes to protect us and has the capacity to do it and yet does NOTHING, then he is either evil or doesnt give a damn.

      On a final note, youre probably smiling thinking: ahh youre asking questions about and criticizing a god you claim doesnt exist, thus you have proven he exists.

      To that i can only perform a face palm and advise you to educate yourself on the concept of “hypothetical speaking”

      I wont pray for your damnation, firstly because i know i wont do anything and secondly because i would NEVER wish eternal damnation on anyone, ETERNAL? do you even grasp how horrible a torture that is even by istelf? that your suffering will be INFINITE?

      No, unto you i do nothing, because there is really nothing i can do other than write this. I am alas a mortal flawed human who will try to do the best he can in this life, and who hopes that a time will come when the only place we can find crucifixes are in museums and garbage cans.

      • my GOD is the greatest among the GOds because He made the Heavens and the Earth. The things He created is a proof of His Existence. God really exists and HE eyes is everywhere.The air is a GOD-Gven Gifts to all mandkind, the water, the animals and Plants without GOD these resources will disappear.

      • In reply to A loling atheist dated Jan 29, 2010.

        I am not sure if your stand still the same as to date, I just hope you already listened to Bro. Eli as other commenter unsolicited advice.
        Well at least in your comment, Jan. 29, 2010 you will try to do the best you can in this life, I am wishing that best is not only for yourself but to others as well. I mean you will not commit crimes or anything bad that will harm your neighbor, may it be secret or not.

        you started your comment by comparing God and a mother as to explain the word “goodness” and concluded into idea that a good God will not harm his children for it is not love if he did. Truly speaking you do not know our God, the true God in the Bible, letting aside the fact that you believe not His existence, you do not know anything about him but to claim that he is bad because of that and these and those..the usual ignorance accusation of an atheist.

        How come you will have a slight idea of God’s love and mercy, wherein you are clueless in a plain motherhood. The truth is God is good ! That’s why anything that contradicts is not of God. So, disasters like those above that cause sufferings of many shows not goodness of God, if that the case, you are wrong!
        Natural calamities like earthquake, volcanic eruption, typhoon, rains and the like is caused by God, He allowed it to happen to those people, he has His reason that you cannot comprehend, unless you believe. They may suffer in poverty and illnesses, but not for long, time will come, goodness from God will be given to them who believed in Him. They may be killed in wars, in hungers, but time will come, eternal life will be given to them who believed in Him. But to those who do not believed, well you already knew the next and final episode for them.

      • In reply to A loling atheist dated Jan 29, 2010.

        I am not sure if your stand still the same as to date, I just hope you already listened to Bro. Eli as other commenter unsolicited advice.

        Well at least in your comment, Jan. 29, 2010 you will try to do the best you can in this life, I am wishing that best is not only for yourself but to others as well. I mean you will not commit crimes or anything bad that will harm your neighbor, may it be secret or not.

        you started your comment by comparing God and a mother as to explain the word “goodness” and concluded into idea that a good God will not harm his children for it is not love if he did. Truly speaking you do not know our God, the true God in the Bible, letting aside the fact that you believe not His existence, you do not know anything about him but to claim that he is bad because of that and these and those..the usual ignorance accusation of an atheist.

        How come you will have a slight idea of God’s love and mercy, wherein you are clueless in a plain motherhood. The truth is God is good ! That’s why anything that contradicts (based on your own ideas and knowledge about the word “good”) is not of God. So, disasters like those above that cause sufferings of many shows not goodness of God, if that the case, you are wrong!

        Natural calamities like earthquake, volcanic eruption, typhoon, rains and the like is caused by God, He allowed it to happen to those people, he has His reason that you cannot comprehend, unless you believe. They may suffer in poverty and illnesses, but not for long, time will come, goodness from God will be given to them who believed in Him. They may be killed in wars, in hungers, but time will come, eternal life will be given to them who believed in Him. But to those who do not believed, well you already knew the next and final episode for them.

  22. I disagree. What you are bringing up is the problem of ‘good’ and ‘evil’, which Haiti has presented itself as a prime example of how the Christian god and the ‘evils’ of natural disasters contradict each other.

    Naturalists like myself point out that if a god who is claimed to be omnipotent (all powerful) and omniscient (all knowing) controls the universe, by definition such a god must take credit for EVERYTHING that happens, not just the good stuff. Such a god would know that an earthquake was about to happen and have the power to prevent it from happening. With this information about the omnipotent, omniscient god, we must conclude at least one of the following:
    1. Such a god is intrinsically evil by allowing the disaster to hit
    2. Such a god does not exist (omnipotent, omniscient)

    A theist will disagree here and say that god does not control the evils in the world because Adam and Eve sinned and the rest of humanity must suffer because of their sin. This leads us to conclude that the omnipotent, omniscient god has no sense of what constitutes a “just” punishment for the “sin” of two humans. We must also consider that if the theist’s argument that “evils like Tsunami’s are not god’s fault” rests on the existence of two storybook characters in Genesis the argument falls apart. We begin to doubt the historical accuracy of the Adam and Eve story because it is embedded in a creation myth that sets the earth at 10,000 years old, having been fashioned in 7 days by a sky-god. But this is irrelevant and simply a sidenote.

    Most importantly, the counter argument to those who say “evil is the devil’s doing, not god’s” places the omni-god in a position of NOT being omnipotent. If the omni-god is not in control of nature, this by definition deems him not omnipotent. This leaves us to conclude that the omni-god is either:
    1. Not actually omnipotent or
    2. Unjust in dealing out his punishments and hence, if he be doing the punishing for Adam’s sin, he IS responsible for earthquakes and natural disasters (omnipotent)

    Read more of my thoughts on this topic at the link below.

    http://liberatedmind.com/2010/01/18/haitis-misfortune-brings-the-problem-of-good-and-evil-to-the-forefront/

    • You should shame for your self Mr.Nyj God permitted to write different prophets & apostles on the Bible for Man to understand & to believed, isn’t awkward he will permit animal to write like dogs, chicken etc, for us to understand & believed? I know you will understand my point Mr. NYJ.

    • I dont blame LiberatedMind’s ignorant remarks about God. He’s criticising a god from a false doctrinal point of view.

      I suggest you start from scratch. Learn more about God. The God that the Bible defines. The God which Bro. Eli speaks of.

      Not from The seventh day adventist
      Not from the Protestants and Catholic..

      Try to learn if from Bro. Eli’s teachings..

      Maintain an open mind..

      No wonder u think like that. Youve been hearing religion from false preachers which cause u to doubt the bible’s historical accuracy.

      I say, Try Bro. Eli

    • In reply to @Liberatedmind.com

      Well, another freethinker’s accusation and old time preposition of blah and blah about God’s existence. You do not know the true God of the Bible, He is God that gave you free-will to choose. And since it is you who will choose, it is logical to think that you should shoulder the responsibility of your action. You are obliged on the consequences of your thoughts and deeds. The same with parents to his children, children has will of their own to do this and that. As parent, are you going to take the responsibility if there are misdeeds in their action? You are not a loving parent if you answered yes. How would their learn if every time they acted inappropriate, you are there to suffer for the consequences?

      In your quote “We must also consider that if the theist’s argument that “evils like Tsunami’s are not god’s fault” rests on the existence of two storybook characters in Genesis the argument falls apart.” I think you mis-read the article above (can you please read again). Since Bro. Eli told his reader that natural calamities like stated above is act by God, your argument is backless, you’re talking trash here.

      Bro. Eli pointed out clearly, major catastrophes will not happened if God allows it not, ofc ourse He can control those earthquake, tsunamis, etc, but He has reason why He allowed, and that reason is hard for those non-believers to comprehend. That’s why they are good in pointing fingers to God, the God they not believed to exist. How is that?

  23. PRAISE TO YOU AlMIGHTY GOD, MAY YOUR PEACE AND BLESSINGS BE ALWAYS WITH US, BRO ELI, BRO DANIEL, BRETHRENS IN THE MCGI, AND ALL BLOGGERS.

    I do not know if it is human nature to look for someone to blame in every failure, doubts, insecurity, heavy burdens, and natural calamities. When I was in the catholic church (not of my own choice, but inherited it from my parents, whose grandparents where forced by the Spaniards to swallow their fake religion ‘hook-line and sinker’ at the objection even by our national hero Dr. Jose Rizal), it seems alright to blame others including God for misfortunes.

    I still have many things to learn from GOD, thru HIS messenger Bro Eli and Bro Daniel, but at least I realized the majesty of GOD’S TRUTH. Here in the CHURCH OF GOD, I came to know that GOD is the source of all GOODNESS and LOVE. There is always a justified reason for calamities and other unfavorable events. It is either to TEACH, REFORM, PUNISH, or REMIND us that really there is a TRUE GOD, whom we must fear, obey, and praise.

    Bro. Eli’s discussion and biblical explanation are easy to understand for the true Christians, yet are hard parables to those who always find reason and alibis to doubt. Through this blog,
    we pray that these hypocrites will reform and be given the chance to listen and understand Bro. Eli.

  24. Thanks to God for Bro. Eli’s very noteworthy analysis. I never realized that atheists believe God actually and indirectly proclaim Him as a loving God when they blame God during times of great distress like what happened in Haiti recently…

    I agree, these hypoctrites and unbelievers must blame themselves why God causes the earth to rumble… It’s never God’s fault! Amen, Bro. Eli!

  25. Haiti’s population is reportedly 80 percent Catholic. Furthermore, among those killed by the earthquake was the Archbishop of Port-au-Prince. If God was using this incident as an attempt to punish atheists, then I only have one thing to say: He is a terrible shot.

    • In reply to twin skies Jan 19, 2010

      Better study Christian doctrines and Catholic doctrines first before you assumed something terrible. This is the problem of most if not all non-believers, they assumed that Christianity has something to do with Catholicism. Please visit blogs of the author about Catholicism, there you may change your mind, I pray.

      Anyway, about your comment as quote-
      “Haiti’s population is reportedly 80 percent Catholic. Furthermore, among those killed by the earthquake was the Archbishop of Port-au-Prince. If God was using this incident as an attempt to punish atheists, then I only have one thing to say: He is a terrible shot.”

      I think this is the mere reason why destructive earthquake strikes the country. 80% Catholic, 16% Protestant, and some ( I think the remaining 4%) combine their Catholicism with elements of Voodoo.— based on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiti

  26. If God is loving and powerful why would he allow these (aside from the earthquake above):
    Anencepahlic Babies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anencephaly
    Autism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autism
    Down Syndrome http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_syndrome???
    These babies suffer and they have not sinned since they are not morally responsible yet, so there is nothing to punish them for. Maybe you would respond to this with the Original Sin. But one should not be punished for what one’s father or one’s state governor did, especially if they did it before he/she were born. Why not? Because their acts were beyond his/her control, and it is unfair to punish people for what they cannot control.

    Now it would boil down to these three options. Either a.) god exist but he is not powerful, b.) god exist and he is powerful but dont want to help, or c.) god does not exist. Options a) and b) shows that God is not worth of worship.

    Now the attempt above(in the article) to justify evil and suffering fails. If the earthquakes and tsunamis and other sufferings beyond the control of man is some sort of “punishment” then it still do not show that God is loving and just. Is that how a loving, omnipotent, and benevolent God would punish? Include the innocents, and believers? If he is omnipotent then he can just directly punish the atheists and agnostics without including the believers and innocents. Why dint he chose that option? Why did he include the innocents and believers?

    Further, I just can’t see the connection between agnostics and atheists with the catastrophe. I also wonder how other religion who don’t worship your brand of god is not “blamed”.

    I hope this will be posted and I also hope that the responses to this will not be about sermons or life changing stories. Let’s just stick to the issue. Theodicies are welcome.

    • im sory but your comment is not substantial in refuting the existance of a God.

      God is real wether we like it or not.

      You criticism is directly attacking a religious point of view of a false religion.

      There is no original sin..read the bible..

      and i suggest u try listening to a real preacher who teaches the truth about God.

      Try bro. Eli

      No preacher in our times can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that God exist and the Bible is true and accurate.

      Some people choose to be atheist, or agnostics because of their failure in searching for the Truth because they seelk it in the wrong places and from the wrong people or preachers..

      Try to maintain an open mind.

      Listen to bro. Eli and what you’ve learned about religion in schools and monasteries means no weight..

      alot of false teachings have gone out of this world.
      ( I John 4:1) ..Its high time we try the real deal..

      Try bro. Eli

    • In response to Discreet infidel 1.19.10

      Your username sounds awful, and it sound you love to sin. Anyway it just my opinion on your name.

      Have you read this blog: Bad Things happened to Good, Bad and Ugly. Heres the link for your quick read:

      https://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/06/08/bad-things-happen-to-the-good-the-badand-the-ugly/

      Maybe all atheist and agnostics around the world is called brainy people, but sad to say cannot grasp more than he can see.

      Mat 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

      Those ugly (in atheist sight) things that you had mentioned is a proof that God is indeed powerful.

      Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

      For Discreet infidel, babies with disorder had been punished already that’s why they were born like that. Is suffering already means punishment by God? Have you asked their parent first before you came into conclusion that it was act of God? Have you ever think God if one pretty baby is born despite of his parents’ disorder? Have you ever think God if child was born despite of his mother’s effort to kill him (unwanted pregnancies)? Your mind is one-sided, and your heart is hardened by what you want to see, hear and believe.
      You quoted “he attempt above(in the article) to justify evil and suffering fails.”.

      Who justify evil here? See your thoughts? Accusations only you have there, that every suffering is evil and punishment by God. No wonder you blamed and questioned God for all of these wherein He for you does not exist. If your definition of love and justice is only to show beautiful and acceptable things to people,, that’s one sided. A person learned his lessons from difficult ways too. A mother can show his love in giving punishment to correct his son. Why not God who created them?

      You quoted “I just can’t see the connection between agnostics and atheists with the catastrophe. I also wonder how other religion who don’t worship your brand of god is not “blamed”.”

      Of course you will not see the connection, your eyes are closed, just simple as that. You do not believe in God, how come you will understand the connection of Him to His purposes and creation?

      Unsolicited advice to you discreet, change your username and listen to Bro. Eli.

  27. You know what, all you dear people whom I pity (I was once in your shoes)? If you simply remove the idea of a supernatural being who tries to manipulate us in this manner, you also remove any need to rationalise about “why a good God would do this”. Note that you do not merely solve this ubiquitous philosophical question, you actually remove the need to answer it entirely – or even ask it! It crumbles into a dusty heap of easily-explained common sense: there are awful disasters from time to time because many of us live in precariously close proximity with an ever-changing and unstable environment. There you are; a simple and non-harrowing explanation – factually backed up by the geographic locations where natural disasters occur, which we already know are risky because they lie near a faultline or in a hurricane corridor, etc etc.

    You are still desperately attempting to merge two mutually exclusive ideas: the “good”ness of the god you proclaim and at the same time his apparent willingness to crush, burn, drown, slaughter and otherwise cause abject misery to countless millions of lives. This stark conflict could never and would never be rationalised on behalf of anyone else – try applying God’s actions (as you claim) to any human and you will see this is not a reconcilable position to take. So to say that the same God from whom you all claim to get your morals is himself exempt from these human definitions of “good”ness is absurd.

    I know it is not easy to question your faith but please try to follow the all-too-obvious facts to a LOGICAL conclusion, a few of which I will offer you here (in no particular order):
    a) There is no God (natural disasters easily explained, no need for the heart-rending wails of “Why, god, why?”)
    b) God is indifferent to human suffering (could have intervened in these natural disasters but didn’t really care to)
    c) God actively causes excruciating suffering to countless innocents and therefore cannot be good (if you still claim otherwise, you have a screwed-up notion of what the word “good” means and should stop misusing it – perhaps coin your own word to describe what it is you mean).

    Personally, I think that option a) satisfies the most logical conundrums. And is the nicest option to boot. Who wants to believe in an indifferent or downright evil God?! Not me anymore – you can keep Him. Though I do hope for all your sakes, and ours, that you won’t.

    Peace.

    • Kt_Trebor before you conclude that there is no GOD, READ THE WHOLE BIBLE and you will find that there is GOD, sometimes different problems, tragedies or troubles in our lives gives some person to think/blinded & believed that there is no GOD, if we are truly believed in God we accept our fate in this world, He has the promise to the one who will love/obey him ETERNAL LIFE, And you must hear the doctrine teaching of Bro.Eli you will find my point,Actually here in the Philippines many kinds of you (ATHEIST) asking/debating Bro.Eli but in GOD mercy they become believers of God.

    • To KT_Trebor,

      Your options are NOT LOGICAL,
      a) The occurrence of natural disasters does not mean that there is no God. Consequently, it does not mean that there is God either. Where is your logic there? You quickly jump to the conclusion that there is no God simply because of the natural disasters. What logic are you talking about?
      But the holy bible says that there is a God that causes natural disasters. And I believe on what the scriptures say. I have proven the authenticity of the scriptures because of Bro. Eli so believing in the scriptures is the most logical thing to do.
      b) Just because your parents let you suffer for some time does not mean that they don’t care about you. Sometimes parents punish you because they want you to be good and because they love you. A good government also punishes people for their crimes. In the same manner, God also punishes people that he loves and those that do crimes. Again, where is your logic? A government that punishes people because of their crimes makes it a good government. God punishes because he is good.
      c) Your option c) is a big accusation and a big lie. I don’t believe that the good God of the bible would do such a thing. The bible says that man is given the power to choose, to do what is good and what is bad, don’t accuse God of man’s doings.

      In summary, KT_Trebor, you did not show any LOGIC at all.
      You don’t know the bible that is why you don’t know the good God of the bible. I advise you to listen more often to Bro. Eli because I was once like you.

      To Bro. Eli,

      Timely and detailed as usual. Thanks be to God.

      • I am always surprised when Christians tell me I do not know the Bible. It surprises me because that is often the only conclusion I am left with about THEM! It seems to me (on my MANY agonising read-throughs of the entire Bible) that Christians who continue to proclaim God’s goodness have either a) not read the Bible or b) have their eyes closed when they read the objectionable bits.

        I have this discussion often with my own father, who is still a firm believer, and it was one of the biggest factors in my own painful deconversion. My father, though, is one step ahead of you on the path out of faith, and simply accepts what you all still deny: that there is a huge conflict between our understanding of what it means to be “good” and the actions of the God of the Bible. At the moment he says no more about it than that he finds it “troubling”, which is exactly how I dealt with it in the beginning of my journey. However in the life I am walking it is not enough for me to admit that something I believe is “troubling” and then leave it at that; I try to follow everything I learn to its logical conclusion and then live by what I find there. I cannot tell you how freeing it is to do this – oh my, the world suddenly makes SENSE!! You don’t NEED to agonise over these questions, because when you realise God is a figment of your imagination the questions just disappear – they never even need to be asked. That is a beautiful freedom and what I was trying to get across in my original point.

        I notice that my original post has been misunderstood: I think this is probably a language barrier problem from non-native-English speakers but I shall try to explain nonetheless. I presented 3 possible ways to answer the “natural disaster” problem. None of them were intended to stand alone as a possible conclusion of looking at the events; rather they must be seen together (that was the whole point!). So no, my point a) is not necessarily a logical conclusion BY ITSELF of looking at natural disasters, but rather only becomes logical once you have dismissed the other less palatable options b) and c). There may be other options I have overlooked.

        In response to the comment about parents letting their children suffer, I must point out that it is my own experiences when I became a parent that showed me just how disgusting a philosophy that is. I hope you do not have children, maling_ipon. No, I do not cause my children to suffer “because I want them to be good”. It does not work that way at all, as anyone who has done any research into child-rearing will know. If you treat a child badly they will learn NOTHING but how to treat others badly. It is a simple fact that children learn by example. If I smack my child, he will learn that hitting others smaller than himself is OK (this is not conjecture, by the way, it is strongly backed up by the statistical evidence from things like bullying in schools, juvenile delinquency, etc.). Punishment does not work to create “good” people – if it works at all it is to frighten them into giving the appearance of “good” behaviour. As for criminals, the main reason for the punishment (usually incarceration) is quite simply to prevent them from harming others: if punishment worked to prevent further crime then the re-offence rate would not be so startlingly high. These days I tend to think about solving problems from the causal end, which our modern judicial system does not do. That is, think about WHY these crimes occurred in the first place (no, “sin” is not the answer – poverty and violence in the home is usually a good start) and work to prevent those circumstances from occurring again to create another “criminal”.

        You can see the parallel here, I hope, between the idea of heaven and hell. If you are only BEHAVING good for a reward or to avoid punishment, that is not good at all. No my friends – to be truly good you must do the RIGHT thing even if it meant you would suffer in the flames of hell for eternity. I suppose in a way that is how some would see the “gamble” I am taking (note that I don’t any longer consider it at all likely that there is any God at all, but for the sake of argument). Call me a conscientious objector, if you will, for I stand firmly in the camp that the doctrine of Christianity is disgustingly immoral practically from start to finish.

    • I will tell you a very short, story:

      My mother-in-law died of stroke-diabetes complication before she reached her 60th B-day. At least now, she’s in peace. I bet if she’s still living today, she’s got so many problems, aside from being sick, because of his son’s (my bro-in-law) dirty antics and misbehavior. Imagine this guy poking his gun towards my dad-in-law! That’s his OWN, daddy, my gosh!…
      IF she’s still alive today, I bet my Mom-in-law could have done something sinful and inappropriate to this ingrate son of hers.

      So what do I want to point-out here? GOD deliberately takes peoples’ lives to save them from even greater danger – that is HELL… I believe my Mom-in-law died that early to have her soul spared from hell…

      If I can’t convince you to believe in God, at least try to believe there is a place called HELL… Maybe you’ll understand how loving our God is…

      Peace!

      • I’d like you to explain that theory to a rape victim, wich after the horrible things she has gone trough takes her own life. Which I believe is something frowned upon “up above”. So God made her take her own life too spare her from more harm..? But after the rape. And do not try to tell me she was a sinner cause young children are raped and suicidal aswell in this world.
        Sorry for the spelling, but english is not my mother tounge. And the country where I come from, Sweden, at least 45% and up to 85% of the population can be classified as atheist or agnostic, still we have evaded both the world wars and have not had a single natural disaster. Our averge life expectancy is 80.9 years… So God missed us..? I know we only have 10 million people living here… But come on…
        Swaziland on the other hand 82.70% are Christian, and most of them literal believers… But there avg life exp. is 39.6 years… Most of the deaths are infant mortality… Baptized, but still sinners I guess…

        Very well said KT_trebor!

      • Yet another sad example, on many levels, of the immorality inherent in these sorts of beliefs.

        Firstly, I find it disturbing that you would consider it “sinful and inappropriate” for your mother-in-law to take action protecting herself and others from her violent, dangerous son.

        Secondly, I also find it interesting that you deplore your brother-in-law’s actions pointing a gun at his “OWN daddy” but, presumably, excuse the God-sanctioned almost-identical actions of Abraham pointing a knife at his OWN son, “my gosh”! My point: this is immoral behaviour. What if your brother-in-law were to claim “God told him to” as a defence? Would that excuse it? My answer is no, and I hope yours is too.

        Thirdly, the ill health of your mother-in-law brings me to another point: people who cling to the belief that their health is granted or taken from them by God very often refuse to do anything to help themselves, or worse: their dependents. Diabetes of BOTH types is such a highly treatable condition (correct diet can diminish or even remove the need for insulin in many cases) that there is probably no real medical reason why your mother-in-law had to die before age 60.

        Now, by your odd reasoning, God chooses some people whom he “helps” to die before they commit actions that would give them a one-way ticket straight to hell. My question then is, why the favouritism? Why would God not do the same for me, or others in my shoes? I was once a devoted believer, after all – why would God not strike me down then to prevent me from using my reason to turn to unbelief, and, as a result the Orwellian idea of punishment for thought-crime? Better yet, why not strike down ALL potential evil-doers? Why was Hitler allowed to be born? I shan’t labour the point, but suffice it to say that you create far more problems than you answer by thinking this way.

        Again, I point out that these mental contortions are UNNECESSARY once you stop thinking in terms of God. The universe and life are just what they are, and what you see and experience are easily explained – by materialistic philosophy. Your mother-in-law died because she had a condition that caused her body to stop working, the end. There, do you see how refreshingly easy that was?!

    • You know… ur a kind of person who think himself as a smart person…but haven’t u ask urself …Why are we humans the most intelligent being on earth..and why is it that we have a very strong sense of emotions… I know to myself, that if the time comes when you are dying … You will ask again yourself if God was true…. and you will fear greatly…… not because you are dying .. but because you know that deep inside your heart .. God Almighty is true….

      • In reply to Secularist & KT_trebor, Jan. 30, 2012

        There is lot difference of natural death from taking your own life, which I think Secularist missed to understand in Kappi-ppc story, who his mother-in-law died due to illness. While this atheist blames God because a rape victim killed herself. You really can grasp the wisdom in God’s word for as simple as that you can understand.

        And it does not mean, you are alive despite of your being agnostics/atheist, God missed you to punish? God has reason why you are still alive. Do you want to know the reason, keep on reading this blog and you will find out.

        Same with Kt_trebor in assumption of Abram-Isaac and Dad-son actions, she do not know the difference of the two actions, Kt-cannot reasons anymore, seeing only the front and not take a look at the back or beyond the situation. Are you going to believe KT-trebor when that specific son told you he was told by God to do so? Much more it will excuse his action. But Abraham was told by God to do such action to his son Isaac. Immoral to your eyes maybe, but understanding the reasons behind it, is not. It is showing of love to God, Abraham believes in God, and he believes God can give back Isaac’s life, care to remember
        Deut 32:39.

        I do not know where you came from Kt-trebor but I presumed your Catholicism belief led you to such present belief. If that so, you are devoted to false god, because Christians’ God is no way the same to catholic god. (please read blogs of Bro. Eli about Catholicism). To your questions, I will just say, God gives everyone a chance to repent to be saved, that’s why those who denied Him, who do not know Him yet, and evil-doers are still alive.

        1Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

        And not everything is explainable by materialistic philosophy, I know you believe in that, you just denying the fact. Miracle happens to those proven almost medically-dead by physicians. What is that, chance?

    • In reply to KT_trebor Jan 19, 2010

      I once asked myself if God really exist when my life goes down and I am so weary. I thank God I dropped the though t and entertain not further, for I know in the bottom of my heart He exists. I do not have any idea yet but I believe He do exists.

      Kt-trebor believes if there is God, such God manipulated us, where in the first place God created us but not manipulated for we have our own free-will. In her statement above, dropping the idea that there is supernatural being who caused natural calamities like in the article, questions and doubt will be removed and we will just lie down by some geographical and scientific backed-up, I bet such action will never pacify your thoughts, you will probably ask for something beyond your human-knowledge can give and reason out.

      That’s the way human were created. We do not stop looking, searching until we found the ultimate truth. And it seems KT_trebor is still searching, she just hang-up in atheistic mind for the meantime until she find the ultimate truth. She said already, she were in the shoes of believers once and dropped the belief for her old religious affiliation sufficed not her soul’s needs. I can tell she came from Catholicism and been there for long, kneeling and doing those tradition that cannot be found in the Bible.

      If I heard not Bro. Eli, I may agree more to KT. God’s action is really hard to understand for those who do not believe in Him. It is really hard to grasp such bad things in our own sights: misery, slaughter, poverty, etc, is still “good”. I remember the blog title of the author “Bad things happened to Good , Bad and Ugly. Care to read?

      https://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/06/08/bad-things-happen-to-the-good-the-badand-the-ugly/

  28. We should not amaze if God is doing it to this world. as the world became older, the world becomes more sinful.

    The only chance for total peace is the new world God will prepare to the good ones.

    the peace is not in this world but on the new world where sin has no place.

    This world was set to be destroyed. I hope God will do it soon so that more men shall obtain mercy.

    The more the world exists longer, the more men will sin and they will be in the side of the devil and they will perish in hell.

  29. It’s funny how atheists reply here and tell their so called if-then-else logic to present their conclusion about the attributes or nature of God, where in fact the principles where they based their conclusions from are severely flawed and questionable. For example, they think that:
    * Catholics worship the true God of the Bible,
    * natural calamities kill people so they are merely God’s punishment,
    * God is omniscient,
    * God should not allow nature to do nasty things (if he does, he’s not caring and not loving therefore not God),
    * God should kill and punish evil people instantly and directly,
    * God should not allow poverty, sufferings and diseases because he’s a loving God,
    * God should not create mongoloids, and other genetically sick people because again, He’s a loving God,
    * all of the so-called Christians of today base their faith in the Bible per se,
    * the God of all Christians is the God in the Bible,
    * all Christian preachers teach the same God,
    * etcetera

    If you want solid and firm principles that’s Biblically correct and true, consult the Bible itself. If you can’t understand the mysteries of the Bible (it’s written to be mysterious), then ask Soriano and the Bible will answer.

    There are some who attack the writers of the Bible. They say that the writers who wrote the Bible are just human, so imperfect to write about something that people should base their belief from. Well, I prefer a man to write the Bible than an elephant, fish, or even monkey to write it for me. One thing is clear to me: it’s acceptable for human to write the Bible as long as the writer is inspired by the holy spirit.

    The Bible is the evidence of God in our present time. If you want to disprove God, disprove the evidence, disprove the Bible. That’s the only way. And if you can convince me that the Bible is not authentic (e.g, self-contradicting, non-scientific, historically incorrect, etc.), then I will join your cause. That’s a deal. But of course, there’s always Bro. Eli to defend my side.

    • I very much doubt I will be able to convince you – there are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

      Historical inaccuracy (otherwise known as fabrications, or “lies”):
      I could point to the fact that archaeologists have found no evidence of Israelite slaves in Egypt nor yet 40 years of Israelite wanderings in the desert, nor yet evidence of the invasion of Canaan by the Israelites. Or that geologists are agreed that a worldwide flood never happened. Or that there never was a census decreed by Caesar Augustus. Or that the “Jesus-corroborating” accounts by Josephus actually referred to at least 7 DISTINCT different Jesuses (Yeshua – not an uncommon name in the middle east).

      Scientific inaccuracy (otherwise known as primitive misunderstanding of the natural world): Well, for starters: Hares do not chew the cud, bats are not birds, and no birds nor insects have four legs. Leprosy and other illnesses are not caused by demons, fruit trees cannot have appeared before the sun, and the earth and all in it were formed over billions of years not six days (before anyone jumps on the Creationist defensive, please be aware that I used to preach that rubbish so I know all the arguments forwards and backwards).

      Inconsistency and contradiction: Which genesis version of creation is correct? Which genealogies are correct (they are all different)? How did Judas die? Who is worse, Satan or God (a simple body count should get you started, followed by noticing just who it was who lied to Adam and Eve). Is Christ a descendant of David (if so, by the Bible itself he is not the son of God since it was Joseph, not Mary, who came from David’s line).

      I could say just this for starters, and a simple google search will find you many many more. But the chances are that for the moment you will still take the Bible’s word over these problems and insist that it is the other knowledge sources that are wrong. My only hope is that my words may have planted a seed that will grow – deconversion is usually a long process, not an overnight switch, as it is hard to escape a lifetime of indoctrination and fear-mongering. My own deconversion took several years.

      As for the absurd idea that the Bible is inaccessible to all but a chosen few “interpreters”, I say that’s utter piffle. If that were the case, who decides who are these interpreters and how do we know they are legitimized by God? I engage in discussion with believers not out of a desire to be “enlightened” (by Eli Soriano or anyone else) on the mysteries of the Bible, because I have already seen through these “mysteries” for the falsehoods they are and hope to convince others of the same. I talk about these contradictions as a way of explaining to believers WHAT THEY IN FACT MUST BELIEVE if their religion were to be true. Often they have never encountered these questions – they literally never consider them in the whole of their believing lives.

      If anyone is interested, whether to whet their atheist-refuting stone or on a genuine truth-search, I recommend starting at the exhaustive online resources “The Skeptics Annotated Bible” and “Why doesn’t God heal amputees” for thought-provoking material.

      http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
      http://www.whydoesgodhateamputees.com/

      And I leave you with this excellent quote:
      “Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived.” Isaac Asimov

  30. Events occur for two reasons; a.) it’s directly God’s will & b.) it’s not directly God’s will but permits it to happen. At times, God allows something to happen even if it is against His will to test us if we really love Him and if we will still dearly cling to Him even at the weariest point of our lives. We should not only find pleasure in obtaining favorable blessings from Him but we should also learn how to appreciate the unfavorable events that is circling in our respective lives be that directly of God’s will or not. These unfavorable events, if we will keenly search deeper into the abyss causes of its occurrence rather than impertinently throwing baseless accusations to God, will impart us a very significant moral and spiritual lesson. I can’t blame those who claimed to be atheists or agnostics , for not being able to grasp what Bro. Eli had pointed out here because of their patriotic steadfastness in their humane ideology. Just open up your hearts and minds guys and continue blogging. There might be questions and queries floating in your minds and battling in your hearts where sensible answers could nowhere be found but only in the Bible through Bro.Eli and Bro.Daniel with God’s help and mercy.

    You’re just a step away from the old road where you can find peace in your soul.

    Sa amo-ang tanan dinhi sa Mandaue, Daghang Salamat sa Dios!

    To God be the Glory Forever!!

  31. I believe and we have to believe that all these things happen to human kind are just to REMIND US that there is “GOD” a powerful GOD and the father of all creations on earth and outside the earth.

    Like what Bro Eli Soriano said the best reason to live and to die is for the glory of our Creator! Let’s use our allotted time as wisely and profitable as possible. Let us not be tired of doing good to other people, we will reap in due time.

    With all these thoughts of Bro. Eli I believe and we have believe that they are biblical and inspired by the holy spirits.

    Unlike the others who have just gives their comments to this blog …. without any basis and not even be considered helpful to human life. But most of time they are the one who are create and make our environments and societies worst and dangerous.

    Just simple words to them!

    False prophets, atheists, agnostics, hypocrites, ….. Repent before it’s too late!

    THANKS BE TO GOD! For sending us Bro. Eli our sensible preacher of our time who spent time and ready to spend more time in propagating the words of GOD.

  32. I believe and we have to believe that all these things happen to human kind are just to REMIND US that there is “GOD” a powerful GOD and the father of all creations on earth and outside the earth.

    Like what Bro Eli Soriano said the best reason to live and to die is for the glory of our Creator! Let’s use our allotted time as wisely and profitable as possible. Let us not be tired of doing good to other people, we will reap in due time.

    With all these thoughts of Bro. Eli I believe and we have believe that they are biblical and inspired by the holy spirits.

    Unlike the others who have just gives their comments to this blog …. without any basis and not even be considered helpful to human life. But most of time they are the one who are create and make our environments and societies worst and dangerous.

    Just simple words to them!

    False prophets, atheists, agnostics, hypocrites, ….. Repent before it’s too late!

    THANKS BE TO GOD! For sending us Bro. Eli our sensible preacher of our time who spent time and ready to spend more time in propagating the words of GOD.

  33. False prophets, atheists, agnostics, hypocrites, ….. Repent before it’s too late!

    THANKS BE TO GOD! For sending us Bro. Eli our sensible preacher of our time who spent time and ready to spend more time in propagating the words of GOD.

    AMEN.

    • I believe and we have to believe that all these things happen to human kind are just to REMIND US that there is “GOD” a powerful GOD and the father of all creations on earth and outside the earth.

      Like what Bro Eli Soriano said the best reason to live and to die is for the glory of our Creator! Let’s use our allotted time as wisely and profitable as possible. Let us not be tired of doing good to other people, we will reap in due time.

      With all these thoughts of Bro. Eli I believe and we have believe that they are biblical and inspired by the holy spirits.

      Unlike the others who have just gives their comments to this blog …. without any basis and not even be considered helpful to human life. But most of time they are the one who are create and make our environments and societies worst and dangerous.

      Just simple words to them!

      False prophets, atheists, agnostics, hypocrites, ….. Repent before it’s too late!

      THANKS BE TO GOD! For sending us Bro. Eli our sensible preacher of our time who spent time and ready to spend more time in propagating the words of GOD.

  34. Just when everything seems hopeless for you, just when you are in the brink of succumbing to hopelessness and at the moment when you are about to lose your life, you will realize your worth and start to question your very existence in this world. Then you will be given a second chance to see what cannot be seen by others, and hear what others could not hear. And someone almighty above, listens intently to your purest question of his power and existence. Above all, you will be heard even though countless have called to His name, yours will be keenly listened.
    And from there, your personality will be shaken to the very core of your belief. You will no longer see things in a logical way. You will see through the obvious and realize where you have stumbled. Then you are renewed and you are now amongst the living who came from the dead…

    –> Me <–

  35. I myself, hundred percent agree to bro. eli. Perfect explanation!!!
    What i can say to those who does’nt believe to God, including the aetheist, agonistic and somebody else….. go to Hell!!!!

    • Panda,
      I fully agree with you. I am happy that Bro. Eli is with us. I thank God for his Love, care and guidance. Bro. Eli miss you .

  36. a) There is no God (natural disasters easily explained, no need for the heart-rending wails of “Why, god, why?”)
    b) God is indifferent to human suffering (could have intervened in these natural disasters but didn’t really care to)

    b) God is indifferent to human suffering (could have intervened in these natural disasters but didn’t really care to)

    c) God actively causes excruciating suffering to countless innocents and therefore cannot be good (if you still claim otherwise, you have a screwed-up notion of what the word “good” means and should stop misusing it – perhaps coin your own word to describe what it is you mean)

    Better think of your conclusions. They are biting each other. First THERE IS NO GOD then THERE IS GOD only he is indifferent to human being and actively causing excruciating and sufferings to countless innocent.

    Thanks be to our God that he gave Bro. Eli to us

    • It is clear you have misunderstood my point, probably this is a language barrier problem.

      OF COURSE these options contradict each other – they are mutually exclusive answers to the conundrum “why bad things”!

      My point was merely that, rather than performing the most excruciating apologetics on behalf of the God you claim is “good” but whose (according to you) actions belie that notion, why not take the step of removing him out of the equation altogether and watch the miserable squirming explanations fade away.

  37. Bro in Christ

    greetings in the name of our lord Jesus Christ.i want work with you and your team ,what i am now please tell your great and good advice to me,i am working as a Evangelist since 1980, i am from India (south India) i have more work in my area i am living in VIJAYAWADA CITY ,ANDRAPRADESH ,STATE ,SOUTH INDIA. PLEASE GIVE REPLY TO ME I WANT JOIN IN YOUR MINISTRY.

    you’s bro.in CHRIST

    PITCHAIAH,Evangelsit

  38. obviously, even tho the content of the blog is clear, atheist and agnostics w0uld stick to their own belief (which are m0stly just backed up by questi0ns which they themselves can’t answer). it’s well said thru the verses in the Bible cited by bro. Eli bout the truth behind these kind of calamities. while it may be true as non-believers of God say that it was d0ne naturally by nature and the s0 called techt0nic plates but IT IS NOT THE WHOLE TRUTH. the whole truth is that there is God who makes it happen and c0ntrol nature. read the Bible and you, non-believers, will be enlightened. yes, the Bible was just written by men auth0rs, partly true, but just think why it was written by th0se men? is it wise t0 say that humans wr0te the Bible f0r us, their fellow humans, t0 understand? that’s just a shallow explanati0n (and there is a much deeper wisd0m/explanati0n br0 Eli have taught us). if you w0uld still stick with your not-thorougly-thought-question b0ut men as writers of the Bible then burn all the b0oks that you have in y0ur h0use. do n0t believe in them anym0re. you see? your belief is just really being backed up by your malici0us questi0ns t0 give yourselves an excuse to believe that God is n0t existing. it is really horrible t0 tell yourself or to just even think that God does n0t exist. it’s like thinking if you really have a brain or n0t. it’s ridiculous.

    by the way, we believe in the Bible’s definiti0n of goodness and justice. it’s clearer than the def of m0st dicti0naries MAN HAS COME UP. the Bible was written in the guidance of Someone who is much more intelligent than man.

    h0pe a day would c0me that you’ll be enlightened. there is God, fellas. we just need to think differently n0w and ask s0und questi0ns if ever. thank God, bro Eli is here to enlighten us thru the Scriptures.

    br0 Eli, keep it up. thanks be to Him. to God be the glory! Ü

  39. I pity you more trebor. You dont even have proofs on all of your notions. Never compare your own good and bad, to God’s wisdom. He’s God. You can never measure His wisdom. He knows the future and you dont. He knows MORE.

    • [I’m trying again as my original answer to Jemima’s post was not published, so I apologise if this appears twice.]

      “Never compare your own good and bad, to God’s wisdom.”

      Oh my.

      Why not? Surely according to you it is God himself who has given us these ideas of “good” and “bad”. I mean, is it really unreasonable to expect that a good God’s “good”ness should EXCEED our own?! Why then are his actions, on the contrary, right at the other end of our good/bad scale?! Worse than the worst human despots ever?

      Imagine “a good man/woman”. Really picture this person in your head. Now, does he/she slaughter innocents by the thousand, rape without mercy, obliterate entire civilisations, mutilate babies’ genitals or encourage, nay, MANDATE that others do so? Does he/she invent an everlasting torture scheme for those who are unable to “believe in him/her”? Does he/she allow and encourage human sacrifice? Does he/she ask for, nay, DEMAND your worship/grovelling sycophancy? Does he/she provide harsh punishments you for your involuntary thoughts? Does he/she make pacts with evil people? Does he/she divide families, approve slavery, or visit plagues upon his subjects? Does he/she test your loyalty by destroying everything you have, including your nearest and dearest (and would this “good” person laughably still believe he/she were actually deserving of that loyalty!)?

      I hope you would not ascribe this behaviour to “a good man/woman”. Please, please, wake up. Claiming that these works are bad when humans perform them but somehow good when God does them is nothing but ABSURD. It is my contention that you should invent a different word and stop desecrating language by insisting that these EVIL actions you claim your God is responsible for are, in some sick twisted 0h-so-mysterious way, “good”. You simply couldn’t invent a better example of Orwell’s ‘doublethink’. The God described in your Bible is far less good than the worst person who ever lived. Shouldn’t it be the opposite?! Shouldn’t he be BETTER than the best person who ever lived?

      This is why I work to educate Christian believers about the truth of their abhorrent religion. Believing these sorts of atrocities to be part of the mysterious unquestionable nature of the one true God is a DANGEROUS doctrine – it makes people believe without question that white is somehow black, up is somehow down, that the undeniably bad is, somehow, good.

  40. Thank God for HE has given us (MCGI) to know the mystery of the HIS kingdom (MARK 4:11).
    May the Lord God forgive those fools who do not know EXACTLY what they are talking about.

  41. If only I have ample of talents and knowledge, I would help you Brother Eli Soriano in spreading this Good News to many people.

    Is there any way I can help?

    Thanks To God!

    POWER!!!
    GAHUM!!! (bisaya) jeje =)

  42. to GOD be the GLORY…..
    whats happening in the world today
    established that there is really GOD… and as a believer
    this is just one of HIS way to prove of HIS existence.
    especially to those who truly believe and trust HIM

    Romans 8:28
    And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God,to them who are the called according to his purpose.

    may GOD keep you always, Bro. Eli

  43. AMEN!

    All those unbelievers, open your mind do not be deceived. The word of GOD is real and powerful. We just have to acknowledge that there is GOD and we owe HIM everything… To God be the glory…

  44. Hey look at the illogical reasoning here of Nyj and his colleague who blame God but denying His existance. Look how fool they are!

    I mean… They dònt really know that they are the one who critisized themselves! Hahahaha!

    Ooops!

  45. You cannot put in addional water to a glass that is full unless you remove some of it or empty it.
    Bro. Eli’s above article are truths and that is BIBLICAL TRUTHS which will not be absorbed by the hearts and minds of those people who have theirs filled with their self rightiousness and pre concieved ideas. Woe unto you.

  46. Boy oh boy, what a read, really a shinning gem of idiocy and hypocrisy.

    Belive want you want you morons, point to us as the reason for all the worlds misery. We honestly coudlnt give a damn what you think, were too buisy working to make THIS world better, instead of pointing fingers and dreaming of a cotton candy cloud land we go to when we die.

    And of course such an article on the ills of the world and on gods loving care for us can only trully be summed up by George Carlin’s phrase:

    God has a list of stuff he doesnt want you to do,
    and if you do any of those things you’ll burn for ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever, writhing in pain and agony, begging for a relief that will never come, your most horrible nightmares realized, your every moment, waking or dreaming a torture, for eternity unto eternity…but he loves you!

    Yeahh, riight

    • To A loling atheist,
      So you’re saying that all the presidents of the United States are all idots for believing in God. And Einstein is also a moron to you for he believes in God.
      Wake up man, you think too high of your self. I bet there are things that you dont understand in class and here you are talking as if you know everything about the God that we believe in.
      If you don’t want to believe then go on with your life, you are free to do what ever you want and in the end we will see.

      • Einstein was only misinterpreted by theists. FYI.

        What the loling atheist is pointing out is that believing in God, or debating if there is a God or not, will not help us, human beings, in this scenario.

        Will your church withstand a 10 magnitude earthquake if it hits us? We can pray all we want but if the materials and construction of your church is weak (subpar cement was used, poor design, etc..) then your church will get destroyed.

        What I am saying is, although we believe in the realm of the spiritual, let us not forget our material world. It is the only world that we can interact with physically.

        These kinds of debates (if there is God or no God debate) sway us to our main concern now, which is help our Haitian fellow men and ensure that when the time comes and we face another disaster, that we may overcome it with minimal loss.

        So Bro. Eli, stop proliferating these kinds of articles as they separate us human beings into believers and non-believers, where in fact, we are all in the same family, and that we should help each other in these times.

        They are entitled with their opinions, just as you have the right with yours.

      • Sry… but Einstein believed in a god… not “the God”… He was a man who thought that the planet itself had a power, to many known as Gaia, and just saw to it that the balance of the world was kept, not the kind of God you are talking about… So no, Einstein was not an idiot.

        As for presidents, wouldnt an american president loose a whole lot of votes if he would say he was an athiest, they do not necessarily need to truly believe in God just because they say so… In my home country politicians do not say they believe in God cause then they would probably loose alot of votes instead…

    • These kinds of articles sway the people on what should we be doing.

      In the past, these kinds of premature judgments didn’t result in great successes.
      These kinds of actions resulted in the massacre of jews and the crusades.

      If we could only look at other people: atheists, agnostics, believers, everyone, as siblings of our planet, then maybe, just maybe, we could be better people ourselves.

      Blaming others because of what they believe or do not believe doesn’t really help anyone in this scenario.
      Making people better EQUIPPED and PREPARED for disasters might help us in the long run.

      As you theists have said, this is an Act of God.
      He wants us to be better people, and to learn from this experience.
      Blaming non-believers of your faith will not help you when another earthquake occur in your vicinity.
      Having earthquake-proofed buildings COULD.
      And that should be the solution we should be focusing to.

      Sir Eli Soriano, Please have a broader perspective on the matter.

      If we could go past faith and not mind the belief of anyone, and love everyone no matter what their faith is, focusing on our similarities and not our differences, then we might be able to think of better solutions and not ADDING MORE problems.

  47. I see the beauties of the world and also see the calamities of the world as a part of perpetual revolution happening to show its natural aspects. People say its is made by God, and men say it is said in the Bible. And one thing is clear: people are nice to heard that they have their good interpretations of things.
    As for me, i got my good interpretation:
    The world is good, even in spite of calamities and I don’t blame God.
    If I do blame God, then I will have a REASON TO JUSTIFY HIS EXISTENCE!
    and to justify my reason, I should avoid justifying his existence. Not because he’s a bad God. He’s a very loving God… but he doesn’t exist at all.
    Never can you feel the love of God in an old papyrus inked down by primitive prophets. These guys are not perfect either.

  48. Let us be biblical now to those who are not know God! Its time for us to think , to act , to ask question why is this happening now. Ask bro. Eli and he will answer it to you directly in the bible. Praise be to God!!

  49. When I speak, only the holy understands my message.
    The wicked look at me but they never see my thoughts.
    I seem to be plain but they can’t comprehend what I say.
    Because my purpose is to be a gift only to those who seek wisdom.
    Who am I?

    — Answer: The Bible

  50. My five cents on the topic and discussion..

    Another failed attempt to solve the problem of evil. It is just absurd to blame others-who-do-not-worship-your-god the natural calamities that happened (or will happen in the future). There are (scientific) reasons as to why these things happened and it is not because the devil did it or god did it or because of agnostics or atheists.

    Even if we grant, without accepting, that God permitted the Haiti earthquake because of agnostics and atheists, then why would God include the believers to suffer there? Why Haiti whose population is composed of 80 percent Christian (there are other countries who have more nonbelievers than Haiti)? Again, as i and few others above pointed out that we should not blame anyone (regardless of race, color, beliefs) for the natural calamities (they are just NATURAL as the word said) that happened and will happen.

    I also notice that people here (commenters[believers]), including the author, base their beliefs/arguments on the Bible (which is illogical). Why should one believe in the Bible? Why not the Quran or any other “holy”books? What makes the Bible true and other supposed holy books false? I mean, other religions also consider your bible as false. Why should one consider it “true” when in fact it has contradictions, inconsistencies, absurdities, factual errors?

    Next. Re: morality.

    I would also like to emphasize what KB_trebor has pointed out re: what constitutes “good”/”bad”. Most of believers (be it Christians or non christians) believe that an act is “good” because their “God says it is good” even if it causes damage to others. I think this is a VERY BAD BASIS for goodness (morality). As KB_trebor said “it makes people believe without question that white is somehow black, up is somehow down, that the undeniably bad is, somehow, good”. I believe that this is the kind of doctrine the 9/11 terrorists have when they attacked US. They believe that what they did was good because it was commanded by their God and justified by their holy book. I hope that you will not base your morality on that.

    Of course you could say that your God would never ever command such evil. But that would only show that morality is independent to your God (or any transcendent basis for morality). Making it superfluous since one can be good without any transcendent basis of morality.

    Thank you and I hope someone will ponder and learn from my post. And please no ad homs.

    • In reply to just another heathen,

      I will just post one verse for all your doubts, hope you will learn on this:

      Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.

  51. For just-another-heathen-

    there many books to read and to be considered basis of faith and religion….you can even write your own and make believe on it…man can even draw his god and worship it his whole life…

    who can then say what’s good and what is bad?

    Why then ask that question if you have already discounted the reason that our Biblical GOD gives us the light of what is good and what is bad on this issue? If ill throw back the question to you, u will end up eating your spoiled thought for sure…who is authority then to tell whats good and whats bad if it is not GOD? who? you? oh come on…humans are prone to errors…none among the constitutions of all nations today is perfect! But our BIBLICAL GOD has the perfect and most sensible!

    People without GOD and deny HIS existence believe that nobody is superior over them, and tends not to respect the existence of others— in different angle of this truth and of this fact, who then would they believe has the authority to say that one is good and the other is bad?

    AT THE END OF THE DAY….wise men will point their fingers to ALMIGHTY GOD….

    THANKS BE UNTO GOD FOR GIVING US BRO. ELI AND BRO. DANIEL!

  52. Does the clay complain against the potter?

    If you, knowing that you are helpless against such Creator, who do you consult? the created?

    Wouldn’t it be more easier to follow the commandments of the Creator, fearing that we are helpless against His will, if He wills to reap us all at once, can you do something about it?
    can someone invent something that will prevent earth to a collision course with another heavenly bodies.

    I cannot imagine the pain of someone who was raped, but knowing the promise of God, every soul shall have their just reward according to their deeds. because it is written.

    Whether you believe in God or not I don’t care, for I also don’t believe also before I believed. What made me believed I can’t recall anymore, maybe a disaster that came into my life, or a really shitty situation or relationship, or a near death experience that made me realize how helpless I am, nevertheless I’m thankful.

  53. Secularist,
    Do all rape victims take their own lives / commit suicide?… If your answer is “yes”, then probably your accusation about God is true. But hey, wake-up! Some rape victims still manage to take loving care of their “unwanted” offsprings, especially those who still fear God inspite of the mishap… Do not blame God when people comit suicide. It’s their choice. God never wanted them to kill themselves…

    Someday soon, Bro Eli will discuss to you, Bilically speaking, why non-believers of God are given a longer life expectancy. You will be shocked when you hear/read the answer. Just keep in touch. I hope you will be enlightened soon, with God’s help and mercy.

    KT_trebor,
    As my story was short, by implication, what my bro-in-law did with his OWN dad WAS NOT SEL-DEFENSE at all. I should have mentioned it if so… And do not liken it to Abraham’s situation. They are so different in so many ways so don’t accuse Abraham of doing an immoral act. Read and internalize the story of Abraham and Isaac first before you jump into any malicious conclusions.

    I choose not elaborate further regarding the death of my mom-in-law because in the case of Abraham alone, you have already made a big blunder. Find-out first why I told you it’s malicious to accuse Abraham immoral and we can already talk about her (mommy’s) death, etc. It’s actually a long story to tell so I just stated the simple facts and labeled it as a “short story”.

    • Kapi-ppc:

      Again, I think the misunderstandings here are primarily related to the language barrier between us. I never said nor implied that your brother-in-law’s actions had anything to do with self-defence. My main point was that it is utterly absurd to believe that god caused the early death of your mother-in-law to spare her from sinning at a later date. Re-read that post if you like, it makes little sense for me to repeat myself.

      As for Abraham, my point was merely that you are engaging in more cognitive dissonance, or Orwellian “doublethink” as I mentioned in my other posts. If the Abraham story were not an ancient one, there isn’t any sane person alive today who would dare to quote it as a “moral” story. To understand my point you have to actually pretend you are Abraham, and imagine the situation as you prepare your own child to be slaughtered by you. No matter how much you believed this was God’s will, to be willing to do this act IS immoral. To make this a moral story, Abraham would had to have answered “hell no, i WON’T murder my child” and suffer the consequences of God’s wrath for his disobedience. This is what I was trying to get at in an earlier post where I said “If you are only BEHAVING good for a reward or to avoid punishment, that is not good at all. No my friends – to be truly good you must do the RIGHT thing even if it meant you would suffer in the flames of hell for eternity.”

      Bottom line: it is a cruel God, not a good one, who would ask anyone to choose between two terrible sins ( disobedience of his order vs. murdering one’s child ). We KNOW this is wrong, and the reason I am so sure we all know it is wrong (including you) is because if it were to happen today we would denounce it as wrong. We would insist that most definitely God was NOT behind the order to slaughter a child, and that the man who believed it was God’s will was mentally ill. The same should be applied to Abraham – the fact that the story is thousands of years old is immaterial.

      • Nice, you showed a valid argument. I hope someone here address you seriously by talking with sense. Cause you definitely make sense.

      • How narrow-minded you are. You think that you know everything about God? Well, guess what? You’re wrong.

      • In reply to Kt_trebor,

        Do you know what “murder” means? You are barking the wrong tree here KT_trebor. The very reason why you all said these things, from your first comment to end is due of not knowing the words of God, despite of reading the Bible cover-to-cover. I agree to other brethren, their unsolicited advice must be given ample attention – listen to Bro. Eli Soriano and learn Christians’ doctrine that you heard not from others.

  54. Thanks be to God for using bro. Eli Soriano… By him we know God’s will and we know how good and merciful the Almighty God of the Bible…May God always bless bro. Eli…

    • In what way am I a “liar”? I haven’t presented any incorrect facts or information, I am merely disputing your biblical and religious assertions with my human common sense and 21st-century knowledge.

      None of you, least of all Soriano, have even tried to back up any of these painful and immoral assertions with anything EXTERNAL to the Bible, which would be necessary if you want to consider it a useful source for anything. I shouldn’t need to tell you all, as grown adults who should have been taught simple critical thinking, that it is IMPOSSIBLE for a source to validate itself (so quoting from the bible to prove the bible makes no sense at all). It would be just as stupid to write a book myself that said “this book is true” and then quote that as proof that it is, indeed true. The only thing you have here as the basis of your faith IS the bible. I am merely trying to point out that the bible and the god it portrays are pretty despicable by human standards. Deep down, you all know this. That is why you have to make these contortionist excuses for the vileness of god as described in the bible and as inferred by events you witness. Non-believers do not have to do this because they don’t believe in a god at all.

      Sigh. But this is like bashing my head against a brick wall – your minds are completely closed, never mind calling ME narrow-minded! 😀

      • In reply to KT_trebor,

        “I am merely trying to point out that the bible and the god it portrays are pretty despicable by human standards.Deep down, you all know this. ”

        The reason why they call you LIAR. Human standards is not as low and non-sense as you think.

        Anyway, you do not believe in God at all, do not bother yourself as well to confront these people who believe in God and somewhat get some relieve during pains and calamities. We really closed our minds to your belief, it is Biblical.

        2Co 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

  55. If I am one of them , I am surely hurt by Bro. Eli’s statement –

    “I believe that the atheists, agnostics, and those who say they believe in God (but disobey Him) are the main cause of the evils and sufferings that affect human society. “

    Who likes to be blamed in the first place? Even the person who did the crime and who is caught in the act do not want to, how much more to those who are committing crimes secretly and persons honestly believe that they are good and do no harm to their neighbors?

    We, readers, for sure do not know what you had done in your life and what is your presently doing. (for both believers and non) We cannot tell either even we see you in action, for we cannot see your heart. People are smiling but inside he is sad. Just like people who do good things to show his goodness but at the bottom of his heart is envy, hate, etc – and that is Hypocrisy! You and God of the Bible only know of your thoughts.

    What I see and understand today is differ from my views from old, the days when I heard not Bro. Eli’s preaching about God and His loving-kindness , justice and mercy. Just like many others who blame God for all the catastrophes happened previously prior to my entry in MCGI, I also asked “whys”. But later I realized after hearing and listening of his preaching , the words coming from the Bible, I understand everything whether bad or good in our sight have meaning, had a purpose.

    God’s justice is differs from our justice system. God’s punishment is also differs from ours. As I have said, I understand from then on, that in everything that happened whether it be bad or good in our sight, there is a purpose and a lesson to be learned.

    We are in latter times, the Bible speaks about it. Listen to Bro. Eli Soriano, try, as you had tried others.

  56. This is a reply to @nyj

    Dated 1.15.10, Nyj said in his comment “if being wise means I am to think like you, I’d rather be dumb and think of myself. I simply choose to believe what I know is true.”

    My reply: If I do not know whose these “wise” are, I will stand with you. But the truth is, they are really wise that why I am standing by their sides. Same quote of yours, I simple choose to believe what I know is true, it just happened the truth you know is difference from mine, from ours, from MCGI. I encourage you to listen to Bro. Eli and maybe with God’s intervention you too, can meet the truth we had known today.

    Dated 1.17.10 Nyj said “Shame on you who label others “hypocrite” simply because they choose a belief different from you. Shame on you, arrogant fools, who blame them for these natural calamities.”

    My reply: I quote what Bro. Eli said and believe ““I believe that the atheists, agnostics, and those who say they believe in God (but disobey Him) are the main cause of the evils and sufferings that affect human society. “
    I wonder where in the article @nyj get such accusation. Have not Bro. Eli said that natural calamities are caused by God and other catastrophes are caused by irresponsible men? @nyj is too defensive, I guess.

    He even accused the believer that they act and think like God for presuming that event like above are punishment for the wicked. Isn’t God already spoken these thing that He will punish the people when they obey not His commandments? See Deut 28: 15-22 as given by Bro. Eli.

    He said “You do not have the slightest idea of God. No one has.”. Well if we not heard Bro. Eli, you are straightly right, but again we have known about God, although not all, but Bro. Eli taught some. Again, why not listen to him.

    Date 1.16.10 nyj said “Some people act as if they know fully what god is and what god wants. They find comfort in the idea that they are living according to god’s will and others are not. They find merit in their actions by looking for faults in others’…”

    My reply: I think @nyj is losing her composure this time. I see him he believe in God existence and I see him he is again those who tell hypocrite that he is a hypocrite. I do not know @nyj if you already heard Bro. Eli or not but I am hoping you already did.

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