Dear Bro Eli,
Some people reason out (especially the Seventh Day Adventist group here in the Philippines) that what is mentioned in the book of 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 are the people who were former gays, but after they have received baptism they have already changed their ways and were no longer gays but have become “straights”.
What can you say about this Bro Eli?
Ken
Dear Ken,
While there may be gays or homosexuals in the first century Christians at Corinth, but, there are those who are called by Paul as “abusers of themselves with mankind”.
(1 Corinthians 6:9-11) “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.”
The phrase “abusers of themselves with mankind” being referred in the verse are sodomites I the Greek scriptures. Sodomites are not homosexuals or gays: They are, by nature, users of women; but because of the overwhelming lust in them, after leaving the use of women, they have lusted with the same sex.
(Romans 1:26-27) “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.”
We can be enlightened by what happened in Sodom, before the time of Paul.
(Genesis 19:4-11) “Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old-surrounded the house. They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.” Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.” “Get out of our way,” they replied. And they said, “This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door. But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door.”
You will notice in the verse that Lot offered his two virgin daughters to these men of Sodom but, they opted to have sex with the angels, which were in male form who visited Lot.
The term ‘Sodomites’ does not refer to gays or homosexuals. They are men who, after indulging sexually with women, will want to do the same with men.
(Leviticus 18:22) “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination”
The gays mentioned by Paul to the Corinthians are ‘malakos’ in Greek, which means:
G3120
μαλακός
malakos
mal-ak-os’
Of uncertain affinity; soft, that is, fine (clothing); figuratively a catamite: – effeminate, soft.
Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries
Dictionaries of Hebrew and Greek Words taken from Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance by James Strong, S.T.D., LL.D., 1890.
G3120
μαλακός
malakos
Thayer Definition:
1) soft, soft to the touch
2) metaphorically in a bad sense
2a) effeminate
2a1) of a catamite
2a2) of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man
2a3) of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness
2a4) of a male prostitute
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: of uncertain affinity
Considering all these definitions, ‘malakos’ of effeminate are not Sodomites. Homosexuals are not Sodomites; they are naturally born with a man’s body, but with preferences of a female. Gays or homosexuals can not be psychologically changed, but can be spiritually guided for salvation.
The condemnation of almost all religious groups towards gays (that they can not inherit the kingdom of God) is unjust. God wants all men to be saved.
(1 Timothy 2:4) “Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.”
A gay, with the heart of a gay characteristics of a gay, can be spiritually and morally upright by the teachings of the gospel of Christ. We must remember that Christ came for the healing of sinners.
(Mark 2:17) “When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”
I hope that this enlightened you.
God Bless.
EFS
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Thank God for this article….luv it!!!
I’m actually a gay, who, like others, experienced a lot of discrimination and humiliation. Yet, after hearing the words of God through Bro. Eli, I strongly believe that it is far more better to be a homosexual who has fear in God rather than being a straight guy without faith. Now it is easier for me to accept humiliation, after all, there’s life after death! To God be the Glory!
Sorry Julius but the verse in 1Corinthians 6 condemns homosexuality and sodomy. If you practice either you can not inherit the kingdom of God. Jesus came to give you victory over that sin not so you could do it.
Amen!
Seventh Day Adventists claim that the gays in their congregation were changed to straight guys after baptism…hehehe…my reaction to that is a loud CHARING!!!
haha nice one julius.
Gays will always be a gay but what is important is the way they live their lives.
Not so. When a person truly repents of sin (s)he does not dwell on the sin any longer. God looks first at the heart, then on how we behave as prompted by our hearts.
Sin originates in the heart. It is not only what a person does but what he has in his heart.
i wonder if it meant that it is ok for a man to have sexual relation with another man or a woman with a woman as long as they have only one sexual partners?
isn’t a homosexual supposed to have sex with a member of the same sex?
just thinking out loud…glory be to God!
What a nice explanation. To God be the glory.
i used to be an active member of a religious group in the country. but i felt confused when they discussed about gays. they said that these people are not welcome to the kingdom of God. since i belong to the third sex, i felt discriminated and humilated. but with the words of wisdom i have read. i felt enlightened and relieved, absolutely. tnx. GOD BLESS.
Everyone is welcome to the kingdom of God. When (s)he is baptized following 1) hearing the gospel, 2) believing the gospel, 3) repenting of sin, 4) confess Christ before others, and be baptized. If one is truly converted, the practice of sin will be left behind on the other side of the “Jordan.” It likely will take some time to be rid of the pull of sin but that is the goal. What did Paul write about sinning all the more than grace may abound? “God forbid!”
Who were the very first Christians? On Pentecost morning at about 9 a.m., Peter preached Christ to none other than the very Jews who had shouted “Crucify Him! Crucify Him!” to the Roman governor who had just acquitted Jesus, inciting the pagan Romans to murder Jesus. They were pierced in the heart, being convince that they had, by the hands of heathen, put to death the Holy One of God. “Men and brethren, WHAT SHALL WE DO?” What did Peter tell them? “Repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of your sins …” “Repent!” Turn from sin and reform your lives! And how were they to do that? “… and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit!” 3,000 of the Jews were added to the church that day. From ZERO Christians to 3,000 on the very first day the gates to the kingdom of heaven were opened! And the murderers of their Mashiach (Anointed One) were among them! It appears that Peter and the other apostles may not have been the very first Christians!
These Jew Christ-killers were the very first people to enter the gates to the kingdom of Christ! They had not murdered an ordinary human being who was going to die anyway. They murdered the Creator of the cosmos and all that is in it (John 1:1-3). But they were now washed of their sins and dressed in white before God!
If God can forgive such monsters, such wicked men, He surely can forgive us ordinary little sinners.
And you don’t have to DO. You have to NOT. Repent. Stop your evil conduct, be washed of your sin-guilt and walk in newness of life.
Think no longer of yourself: what I want, gimme, gimme, gimme, but “How can I be Jesus’ tool to build up His kingdom?” He is the “carpenter” (the original word represents a house builder). He uses “tools” – chisels, saws, trowels, hammers, etc. – His servants to build His kingdom.
Th… Thank you, Bro. Eli for this one!
This would be another back-up for my posts.
reply to post #6:
you are asking if it is OK to have a same-gender-relationship. nowadays it is socially accepted but as a Christian – IT IS NOT!
for whatever reason/s why society starts to accept this kind of relationship doesn’t really matter as the bible says “there are ways seemingly right for a man but the end of it is death”. there are people who don’t know how to live their lives – this life that we have will be worthwhile if we live it according to the words of God.
lastly, it is the act that makes a person sinner not who he/she is. being a gay doesn’t necessarily mean you are a sinner nor being a straight guy makes you holy.
Thanks for this wonderful blog, hope it will enlighten up the minds of those people who descriminated gays and lesbians, after all we will be judge according to our works and not on who we are… Please correct if I’m wrong….
It is not up to the individual to abuse other sinners. That is the purview of the civil governors. We are not called to be self-appointed administrators of justice.
If a person comes into your grocery store, it does not matter if he is an adulterer, homosexual, swindler, extortioner, usurer, whatever. You sell him the food he wants.
If a homosexual wants to hire you to paint his house, treat him as you would any other person, who likely has sins unknown to you. Paint his house.
All have fallen short of God’s expectations, some farther than others, but all have missed the mark. As each Christian has been forgiven of all the wickedness he has committed in his life, each is to forgive others who have offended us. And the homosexual has done nothing to me. I have nothing to forgive him of. He has harmed himself and his fellow homosexual. “Homosexual” is not in the Bible as the word was only introduced in 1869. The Bible has no word specifically meaning homosexual so it takes phrases to describe what is meant. In some modern versions the word “homosexual” is used in place of those phrases.
So long that a person is striving to do the Righteousness of God,’though straight or not (true guy or gay) doesn’t really count at all. Everyone deserves to be saved most especially if you’re doing the Will of Him so regardless of the sex,gender or choice so long that you’re doing what’s good in the sight of God. 🙂
bro. Eli can I ask you if this means that a man and another man/ woman and a woman can have sexual relations as if they are married? that as long as their partnership is not merely for sexual reasons and to love one another like Christ loved the Church?
thanks…
when I was a child, I was deceived by my pastor who told me that gays were not created by God and they dont have space in heaven. and even during my college days i grew up with that belief, only to find out that accussion are directly contradict to the principle of the Bible and of course i was enlightened through the help of this incomparable preacher bro Eli. i know form my heart he tells the truth and as he discussses this issue of homosexual i understood that gays have space in heaven and God is the one who created us all regardless of sex. bro eli keep inspiring us and i will pray to God to continue to bless you aLL
Homosexuals, abusers of themselves with mankind, and women who leave the natural use for other women, are not created perverted by God. They are conceived sinless. Only as they mature are theydrawn into sin (herein discussing homosexuality).
Do not wait until you clean yourself up. Only by the gift of the Holy Spirit can you be cleansed.
Do you take a bath before you take a bath? No, you go into the bath dirty and come out clean. The Holy Spirit is the “soap.” Repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. It does not say the Spirit will be given AFTER you come out of the bath. When you go down into the water, YOU ARE BAPTIZED! When you come out you are clean of your vile, nasty, abominable sins, IF you believed and repented before you were baptized. If you did not believe, you do not receive the “soap,” the Spirit. You know that plain water doesn’t clean. It takes soap and water.
Corinth was a cesspool of wickedness and perversion, temple prostitution, both male and female. What did Paul write to the church at Corinth? (I Cor. 6:11) “And such were some of you: but you are washed, but you are sanctified, but you are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.” Verses 9 and 10 contain a short list of some of the wicked practices common to Corinth.
I have a lot of posts about myself as a homosexual. Please pray for me too to continually fight the good fight against all the odds.
julius! mathew 24:13, hehe… you know for me, homosexuality is somewhat really a big blessing… (correct me if im wrong) haha… DAMI kc PAGTITIIS …. 🙂
warren, i think we cant compare the love of Christ for the church… for it is immeasurable… we can love but unlike what Christ did…
LOVE ENDURETH ALL THINGS… 1COR. 13:7
being a gay isnt a sin.
to hell to those preachers who preach that gays will go to hell!!
nyahahaha
Yes mj its a blessing. There are lot of temptations, but if you will be able to endure those, there’s a big chance for salvation. Mahirap, pero masaya!!! The advantage is, you can relate to both sexes, di ba, dual personality…bading nga lang…hehehe!!!
Dear Bro Eli,
Please answer it clearly, if a husband cannot have sex to his wife because the wife refuse to do so and the husband indulge to masturbate instead of having sex to other woman trying not to commit adultery. Is he not committing adultery to his heart?
Orlando Claudel
Depends on whether he fantasizes about the other woman.
If he thinks of his wife, and does not selfstimulate to avoid sex with his wife or to avoid conception, the Bible has nothing that even infers that he does wrong.
TO: warren
reply to post #6: ( Ask brother mike did)
you are asking if it is OK to have a same-gender-relationship. nowadays it is socially accepted but as a Christian?
Brother, in the law of magnetism only opposite poles attract to each other from the beginning until the end of its magnetism time.
However doing good works with love has no limit of age, gender and personality and that’s the reason why all of us has a chance for an everlasting life.
Because when we are in CHRIST we don’t think for ourself but for the welfare of others and to the glory of GOD.
EYES
To mike c.
you said: you are asking if it is OK to have a same-gender-relationship. nowadays it is socially accepted but as a Christian – IT IS NOT!
my comment: Mike, why It is not? Love is universal thing, it is above the law ask bro. EYES.
If love is the highest of all then it is also beyond gender. Brother let us not judge them wrong! Why? Can we measure the true love between them? If it is a genuine love who are we to say something ill about it? If they are honest and really bound by that Love, let them love each other. After all, LOVE is the one that binds them, if it is indeed true love then no one or nothing can separate them.
Be open-minded mike!
Open-Minded,
Where in the world did you find those ideas. I think ur just talking base on your self opinion. Otherwise, show me proofs in the Bible that waht you’re telling is true. Please be reminded that we are talking here about the wisdom of God and not self opinions and emotions.
We not only have to be open-minded, we have to be BIBLICALLY-MINDED.
Bro. Eli, I found this article very disturbi’ng. First, you cited 1 Corinthians 6:9-11 where Brother Paul was stating categorically that Homosexuals or Gays who He referred to as effeminate or abusers of mankind will not inherit the Kingdom of God. The Homosexual act is what is condemned by God as stated in Roman1:26-27 and Leviticus 18:22 as abominable. The effeminates who you refer to as the proper gays/homosexual were male prostitutes or catamites in the Greek society. Pederasty was the term originally used to describe such relationship. It was regarded as an abusive relationship and generally was between persons of higher and lower positions and never among equals because it involved submission of one partner to another. A person who refers to themselves as gay at heart who is not involved in a homosexual act will not be condemned. Just like fornication and adultery(equally condemned by Brother Paul) involves two partners, the Homosexual act involves two partners in order to complete the act. Jesus does not condemn the sinner but the sin for He is a Holy God- the same yesterday, today and forever. A case in point from the Bible is the woman caught in adultery.Our Lord and Master Jesus Christ said he did not condemn her as required by the law of moses as prescribed by the pharisees. However he charged her as our mediator and High Priest to “go and sin no more”. Here we see a loving and just God acquitting the sinner but condemning her sin. May the Holy Spirit convict our hearts to know the Will of God regarding our salvation. Otherwise to say that the Gays/homosexuals cannot be changed will be doubting the regenerative power of the Spirit because scripture tells us that in Christ we are a new creation.
To Open Minded,
Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”
May your mind be truly opened.
AM JUST CURIOUS IF HOMOSEXUALITY IS NATURAL, IF IT IS , SO DOES IT MEAN GOD DESIGNED HOMOSEXUALITY?
AND I WAS WONDERING WHY HOMOSEXUALS DNT HAVE THE SAME PREVILIGE(in terms of being one in the flesh) AS MALES AND FEMALES DO? AM MAGNIFYING THE PREVILIGE THAT HOMOS DNT HAVE .
For the love of Julius and tony
by: open-minded
Love is of God…..
Love conquers all…..
Love conquers death…..
(Love is beyod the stupidity of the fanatical religions which is the opium of the society….)
If love conquers all, even death then it follows logically that Love is beyond Gender…… Is it not?
for example: One bright sunday morning while Julius is walking in the road to roxas blvd corner quirino avenue, Julius noticed the attractive tony standing in the seaside in his handsome attire made of denim pants made Folded and hung and a polo shirt and new shoes from People are people. Julius saw the handsome body built of Tony, and so to make the story short Julius invited tony for a dinner and the rest is history. They fell inlove for no apparent reason from day 1 up to the last breath of their lives with no third parties involved, their friends and relatives accepted them and they are the living witness of the purity and sanctity of love between them when they were still alive.
Yes, they have no children, but love is not all about reproduction. Can we condemn the rarity of their pure love in action? Who are we in a position to say that they are destined to hell (or in some purgatory and the like )? What they did is to love one another as if they are one, they knew it is unbiblical, but their love for another is so strong, the flame of this kind love can burn books and other conditioning of the mind. The pureness of their love can be likened to this: Even one sigh of tony and Julius can cool down the fire of hell because in comparison to the fire of love that burns within them, the fire of hell is like an extinguished piece of coal.
This is all I can say about Tony and Julius. May they rest in peace in God’s hand.
To: Joshua
you wrote: Otherwise to say that the Gays/homosexuals cannot be changed will be doubting the regenerative power of the Spirit because scripture tells us that in Christ we are a new creation.
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Yes it is true brother that in christ we are in a new creation but remember as what Jesus Christ said “For many are called, but few are chosen. “(Matthew 22:14)
Is it the only reason brother that because they have a heart of being a gay they cannot be chosen?
But for those who are not chosen “Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.” (Luke 13:24)
Is there is a possibility brother that you as a masculine and observant of the law cannot be chosen?
Why? Because ” And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. ( John 1:16)
EYES
To: Orlando Claudel
Brother since you are asking to brother eli about masturbation then I have also a question for you in relation to masturbation.
“Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days to do good, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?” (Luke 6:9)
sabbath is regarded as seem as a worship.
Therefore doing not sabbath is a sin. (So the Jews during Jesus Christ time is correct in other side )
But they did not know that doing good works with love (worshiping in action ) is more important compared to ritual or ceremonial worship(worshipping in heart).
By Eistein theory of relativity:
Can it possible brother that it is better that you can commit a sin in your heart if it can help you to avoid to commit a sin in action?
EYES
According to the bible, adultery in a man’s heart is:
Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
…looking on a woman to lust after her. I believe the same goes for the opposite.
Maybe, if he is masturbating while looking on a woman other than his wife to last after the former, yes.
Correct me if I am wrong.
Luke 10:20
“In that hour Jesus rejoiced in spirit, and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight.”
Somehow, I am being amazed of the fact that sometimes, people can be high-minded just because they feel they know. Yet, their arguements are only based from social norms or what they are comfortable with…
I am sometimes amazed on how some people claim to know things which they do not, or try to correct using wrong methods. It’s depressing but I came to understand that even those inside the Church are not given with the gift of knowledge, wisdom and understanding…
As an individual, I admit that I do not know much. However, there are instances when it seems that I say something out of the blue which I will later know synchronizes with what Bro. Eli said.
For a fact, I am aware that I am in no position to give unsolicited advise or preach beyond what I must, however I deem this oppportunity fit to remind everybody of possibly something that most of us seem to forget:
I Corinthians 4:5
“Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.”
On my stand, I think that people nowadays are so judging and critical of others. “Being normal” and “to jive” has become an important aspect of the world nowadays. Fashion, social status, preferences and such made it possible to “group” individuals in different criteria. However, I did found this to be the cause of divisions among many. This attempt to “belong” has become destructive and most troublesome since it sets boundaries which are most of the time unclear.
I have come to relate this problem with eating disorders. In our studies in Psychiatric Nursing, we found out that eating disorders are usually due to that fact that the our society advertises using the “thin is in” theme. If you’ll browse to magazines and most advertisements, you’ll notice what I mean. Because of this, some individuals feel “out of place,” thus seeking means to belong inspite the illogical sacrifice.
What do I mean by all these? Can anybody really say that you are “straight?” Attraction is not the mere basis. Of all the things, I came to dislike the idea that some individuals want to “commit” out of sexual pleasure. May ti be heterosexual or not, it’s very disgusting and degrading. As a person, I will never let myself be tied to someone who only wants to satisfy felshly desires.
Dear readers, NEVER think that sexual activity is a need. It’s a misconception that the Catholic Church implied to many for the idea of “multiply and fill the earth.” If it is, all those who haven’t had sex will die because of “lack of sex” which never and will never occured.
I Corinthians 6:19-20
“Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.”
I am also calling the attention of those who keep on using Biblical verses without knowing what it meant or its application. The serpent is no different, for he tried deceaving the Lord with his usage of the Scriptures. I’ve read a lot and sad to say, many of which calim to be brethrens.
To those who read this, I believe that I am just an ordinary person with extraordinary duties. I may be right in what I know or not, but I try as much as I can to glorify His Name in everything I do. If ever I will be bonded to somebody, I want Him to decide on that, if that person will be pleasing to Him. If not, then my union with that person will be futile, worthless and unpleasant in His Eyes.
All in all, I just want to say that many people here doesn’t seem to be reading the clear posts of Bro. Eli. Read it well, and if you are indeed worthy of salvation, then you will understand. If not, then possibly now is not the right time for you to give comments that are either far-fetched or judging in nature.
That is all. May all the glory and praises be unto Him!
Do not be deceived with the idea that sexual release is not a need of the body. It is more pressuring than any other need. It is there just under the surface all the time. Ignoring it is fraught with danger. It will catch you unawares.
As Jesus said, few are able to be “eunuchs” for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. His disciples had just asked him, following his repeal (effective when He died on the cross) of Moses’ allowance for men to divorce their wives, if it was not better not to marry. His response: “All cannot receive this saying, save they to whom it is given.” This is followed by Paul, in response to the Corinthians’ proposition: “It is good for a man not to touch a woman.” Today we would write this: “Is it good for a man not to touch a woman?” He wrote back, not disagreeing with them, but: “To avoid sexual sinning, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.” He went on to counsel them not to use sex as a tool for coercing one’s spouse, but to be available at all times, the only conditions being when the woman is menstruating, cleansing and after childbirth (guidance is found in Leviticus 12:2-5 and 15:28; and for the man in 15:2-7). If by mutual agreement they abstain for fasting and prayer, it is not to be for long but “come together again, that the accuser (Satan) not tempt you for your failure to restrain sexual appetite.”
The woman who refuses her husband until he does what she wants stabs her marriage in the heart. If all her husband needed was a friend, he could share a house with a fellow man. Be a lot simpler!
What he needs a woman for is what Adam could not have until God created Eve and gave her to him. Adam could not be fruitful and multiply by himself, or as some say, with Steve instead of Eve. Those two letters “st” make a lot of difference!
Men being rather visual, a woman makes a mistake giveing him “more to love.” Ladies, keep yourself in good shape. Not only will your husband appreciate it, you will be a lot less in danger of cancer, strokes and heart attacks (which go along with high blood pressure). Helps on back, hip, knee, ankle and foot trouble, too. Your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit, so it is not really yours. Take care of your Lord’s property.
Likewise for the man who refuses his wife.
Joshua, you said: “Otherwise to say that the Gays/homosexuals cannot be changed will doubt the regenerative power of the Spirit because scripture tells us that in Christ we are a new creation.”
I beg to disagree to this kind of generalization or way of thinking. Again, Joshua is using the power of persuasion by appealing to the emotions of the readers without regard to the truth that the Bible imparts about a homosexual Christian. Sometimes, by merely appealing to the emotional sense is powerful enough to make the listener believe with a little fact combined with deception.
I understand that homosexuals, having the desire or longing for another same sex, that is, “Eros” kind of love, cannot be changed because it is a curse to the flesh of a man or a woman by Satan. But it doesn’t necessarily follows that we cannot be perfected if this is not taken away or changed by God. The law of faith is written in our hearts that tells us to avoid the lust of the flesh. Is it not that by accepting the fact that there is really emptiness in us that needs to be filled by something or someone, urges us to be curious of what it is or who it is? Thus, when we don’t have the proper understanding of the Way of God, we tend to think differently. We tend to create and illusion or idea that there is another person, something, or someone out there that can fill the space in us. But at the end this idea leads us more hurting and suffering.
Job was called a perfect man, because he obeys to the will of God.
We must always remember that there are things or events that need to or must take place before another one begins or follows. To make it short, there is really a plan for all the Christians, moving forward, that includes homosexual Christians. In this life, we all have our own things to bear or cross to carry up to the coming of Christ. This same way to perfection, as seen in the eyes of those who has no biblical knowledge as a burden, is the same yoke Jesus Christ carries, as our helper.
How can you say that God will immediately take a way the desire that sometimes try to deceive us? When in fact this desire, when we conquer it will instead lead us to inheriting the Kingdom of God! If He will take away homosexuality in a snap of a finger, what becomes then of His plan of salvation? The flesh carries the urge to sin therefore it is really important that our corruptible body becomes incorruptible. But the phasing of this changes cannot be rushed John 10, unless the Great tribulation starts.
We, homosexual Christians, learned that the flesh cannot worship God. But the prophecy is now realized, we are now worshipping God in the Spirit. Our spirit is guided by the Spirit of God through the Word of God, thus, we are able to present our spirit as a perfect offering because it is the one that is willing to follow the law of faith. Since we are practicing our spirit, not the Eros kind of love but rather the “Agape” kind of love, it becomes fruitful, Galatians 5:22-23. And when the Spirit becomes fruitful, it conquers the flesh until the coming of Jesus Christ.
We cannot deny that we are homosexuals because we are still fighting the lust of the flesh day by day towards the same gender. But we are fortunate enough to understand and to carry the faith and belief that in the Church of God, we are able to accept the truth of our being. A little more time, soon, this body where the “Eros” flourishes will be overcome by “Agape“ and will soon be changed to an incorruptible body, where gender shall never be the issue. I am sorry for those who can’t understand my point for it is never intended for the stubborn heart but for the willing to learn.
I will stand corrected if you can prove it otherwise biblical speaking.
Correction to: “We, homosexual Christians, learned that the flesh cannot worship God. But the prophecy is now realized, we are now worshipping God in the Spirit. Our spirit is guided by the Spirit of God through the Word of God, thus, we are able to present our spirit as a perfect offering because it is the one that is willing to follow the law of faith. Since we are practicing our spirit, not the Eros kind of love but rather the “Agape” kind of love, it becomes fruitful, Galatians 5:22-23. And when the Spirit becomes fruitful, it conquers the flesh until the coming of Jesus Christ.”
The flesh is now being conquered by the spirit because the spirit as it becomes fruitful, is able to project it to the flesh. Therefore, the spirit leads the flesh and conquers it!
Thus, the spirit in us is able to present our flesh to God as we worship Him in the spirit because God is a spirit. How can the flesh be offered to God?
Though we are also effeminate within the body of a man, we know that we can’t abuse it by following it’s lust but rather the body should follow the spirit’s willingness to follow the law of faith.
OPEN,
You should understand that there are different kinds of love in the greek language. As far as I know, they are:
1. AGAPE – the self-sacrificing love of God for humanity, which they were committed to reciprocating and practicing towards God and among one another. (wikipedia)
G26
ἀγάπη
agapē
ag-ah’-pay
From G25; love, that is, affection or benevolence; specifically (plural) a love feast: – (feast of) charity ([-ably]), dear, love.
1 Corinthians 13:1-8
2. PHILIA – affection that could denote either brotherhood or generally non-sexual affection (wikipedia)
φιλέω
phileō
fil-eh’-o
From G5384; to be a friend to (fond of [an individual or an object]), that is, have affection for (denoting personal attachment, as a matter of sentiment or feeling; while G25 is wider, embracing especially the judgment and the deliberate assent of the will as a matter of principle, duty and propriety: the two thus stand related very much as G2309 and G1014, or as G2372 and G3563 respectively; the former being chiefly of the heart and the latter of the head); specifically to kiss (as a mark of tenderness): – kiss, love.
John 21:15-17
3. STORGE – known to express family or natural affection like that of a parent to his/her child (http://www.bible-interpretation.com/answer_love.htm)
στοργή storgē – love of a parent toward a child (wikipedia)
4. EROS – an affection of a sexual nature, usually between two unequal partners (wikipedia)
ἔρως érōs – passionate love, with sensual desire and longing
5. THELEMA – means desire in modern Greek; It is the desire to do something, to be occupied, to be in prominence.
You can always look them all up in wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love.
And also, I suggest that you should not interchange/mix them all up for you to be guided accordingly.
Bro.Eli,
I am so glad by this so wonderful post.
Thanks be to God!and more power…….!
Open-Minded’s posts prove that he is overdosed by the soap-operas and telenovelas he is watching. Brother, life isnt a fairy tale. All you have in mind is always “…they live happily ever after!!!”… your so stupid.
You said religion is the opium of the society… whats ur basis?
To elmantheman,
I agree with you man. I agree with you…
To Julius:
Julius: You said religion is the opium of the society… whats ur basis?
Open-minded: I said: Love is beyod the stupidity of the fanatical religions which is the opium of the society.
Julius: overdosed by the soap-operas an telenovelas he is watching. Brother, life isnt a fairy tale.your so stupid.
Open minded: Darling, it seems to me that you are so shallow and close-minded, there is a message in those stories that you need to extract first in order to understand the significance of it. Therefore it is not about the story of Julius and tony. Look at the essence of the story and not the story per se. That is perhaps the reason why you cannot see the hidden message of Jesus in his parables like for e.g. the Parable of the Prodigal Son.
If I (as a stupid) can see the essence of Jesus’ parables. Then what you are probably more stupid than me? Is it not? Perhaps super- stupid or ultra-stupid to the max?
Darling, Let us not use those unnecessary language. Those christians who USUALLY uses such words as if it is part of their way of sharing things are still immature in their faith. Beware of them!
See? You call me stupid then I call you super/ultra stupid to the max then what’s next? – Surely UNHEALTHY DISCUSSIONS!
To Jet:
And also, I suggest that you should not interchange/mix them all up for you to be guided accordingly.
reply: So tell me jet, in your opinion what and how many kinds of Love did I apply or use in post # 26? And by the way I am not OPEN, I am Open-minded.
You use Jet as your username right? So if I call you Je? Is it good in/to your eyesight?
amigo im very satisfied the the way you answers many question
OPEN,
I know that’s not your real name. That is why I just made it short like that. I just perceived it to be like firstname-surname. So, it was just like calling you with your first name. Although, I was sure all along that you will recognize who I was refering to. It’s not a big issue actually. But anyways, for the sake of human consideration and respect, open-minded.
Actually, jet is my nickname. Of course you can call me anything you like. You have your freewill, right? If you think calling me je makes sense to you, then it is up to you. I can’t even see you for me to stop you from calling me anything you like.
It just seems to me that you are opening your mind not to the things which are biblical but worldly.
Mind you, christians in the bible were admonished this:
Romans 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
As to your question about #26, I do not know what is really in your heart. For sure, between the two of us, you know better what you really feel. BUT, if you are going to ask me about my opinion, WHEN IT COMES TO THE BIBLE, I DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO MY OWN OPINION.
But I think, from reading the definitions of the different kinds of love in the greek language in #33, you can readily pinpoint it out for yourself as to which LOVE you used (or misused for that matter) in those various situations that you presented.
However, on morally upright principles, I think you can agree with me on these:
a. THELEMA is not a good thing to apply on SEX.
b. THELEMA is very good in serving God, the Creator.
c. EROS should not be applied by a parent to children, relatives, etc…
d. On the other hand, AGAPE, PHILIA, and STORGE, are good
to apply to a brother or sister in faith, a friend, a family member, even to your enemy (as long as it is not God’s enemy, of course) – you know, giving him something to eat or drink, etc…
And you know, no matter how people tend to hide or deny the real thought of same-gender relationship (with regards to the definition of the society today) or having sex with the member of the same sex, BIBLICALLY, it is just NOT RIGHT.
Remember, your post #21 was a comment on same-gender realtionship, which mike c in #10 commented from #6, which was asking about having sex with a member of the same sex. And I could perceive that mike c is guided by biblical thoughts as written in 1 Cor 6:9-11. And you asked, “WHY IT IS NOT?”.
BIBILICALLY, I believe, for 2 man or 2 women to LIVE TOGETHER JUST LIKE a(1 man) HUSBAND and a(1 woman) WIFE, or the more to DO THINGS ACCORDED TO THE HUSBAND AND WIFE, is just NOT RIGHT.
a. Remember, the Man was first formed, then the Woman.
1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
b. And also, the Woman was created as a HELP for Man.
Genesis 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
21 ¶And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
c. And a Man shall cleave unto his Wife.
Genesis 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Open-Minded,
You can see the hidden messages of Jesus’ parables? And that’s why your inventing your own parable, right, like “The Parable of Julius and Tony”?…LOL!!!! You’re making me laugh man.
I do not want to be ruder, but there are individuals who seem to misunderstand a lot of things. I am not the person to judge you, however I wish for those who are reading this to see a few things.
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Definition of Sodomy
From: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/sodomy
Pronunciation: ‘sä-d&-mE
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, from Anglo-French sodomie, from Late Latin Sodoma Sodom; from the homosexual proclivities of the men of the city in Genesis 19:1-11
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal
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Definition of Homosexuality
From: Encarta Premium DVD 2007
Homosexuality, sexual orientation toward people of the same sex. Homosexuality contrasts with heterosexuality, sexual orientation toward people of the opposite sex. People with a sexual orientation toward members of both sexes are called bisexuals. Female homosexuals are frequently called lesbians. In recent years, the term gay has been applied to both homosexual men and women.
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Now we can see the difference of the terms. However, perhaps we should first look at the “Biblical” discussions of the said terminologies. As stated above in Bro. Eli’s post, it is not homosexuality that is wrong, but sodomy is.
Is that so hard to understand? Or are we simply stating what we know or what was instilled in us?
What is normal? Is it an abnormality to have feelings with a member of the same gender? What’s wrong with being abnormal anyway? As long as you are not bothering anyone, is it that of a big deal?
I saw many heterosexual relationships that you cannot turn your head without seeing obscene stuff going on. Have you never thought that even “kissing” or holding hands between a man and woman who are not yet married, may they be engaged, can be sinful?
What’s wrong is that many have failed to understand since they are blinded by their own knowledge or self-righteousness. They feel they know and interpreted the Scriptures without enough understanding.
In a book that I read, it said that sodomites aka “a sacred male” were those who practice prostitution and sexual practices for the sake of religious inclinations.
I could understand if Bro. Eli doesn’t want to comment on the things and additional questions posted in these kinds of topics since many may charge him for spreading wrong or unBiblical beliefs at that.
For those who have eyes: read! For those who have ears: listen! The psot was clear enough, or probably it just won’t come inside your heads?
Maybe you should consult this too:
If I may understand it, a person must have sexual relations with a member of the same sex to be considered as a homosexual. Simple affections or attractions with the same sex could probably be considered as “feminine” for males (if having affections for men is in nature for females only) or “masculine” for women (if having affections for women is exclusive for men).
If I may be worthy, I suggest never use the term “homosexual” or gay to a person who never has sexual relations with a member of the same sex. This is because that person may only be confused, or he/she is exhibiting traits that are “not natural” per se.
Personally speaking, I’d rather be bonded with a person who loved me first through agape which will later be added with eros rather than eros in itself. Why? It’s because you are marrying just out for sex! I consider it an insult if a person ask me for marriage because of my genitals.
The thing is we tried to define or differentiate too much. Should you only love your partner “erotically”? Or is “agape” love better between lovers?
In the Biblical history, many have sinned not out of “same-sex” relationships but rather for members of the opposite sex. This results to killing, abductions, and many others.
Medically speaking, multiple sexual partners is a risk factor for many illnesses, not homosexuality.
I hope that this is enough. If I am bound to someone in His will, even if it is against my wishes, then may His will be done. Al in all, I wish to fulfil what He wants and not my own accord.
my reply to post #21
->>my comment: Mike, why It is not? Love is universal thing, it is above the law ask bro. EYES.<<-
not all love are good. love is categorized into 3 – agape, eros and filia. agape (divine love) you can say that is ABOVE THE LAW – because God is love. but be careful, not all love are divine – there are love that are abomination to God like love to money, love to power, an erotic love between two same gender. I am not hoping that you will accept it because you are thinking differently, but if you will base you thinking to the bible – then we might understand each other.
Tell me open-minded, have you ever read an account in the bible that Christians have erotic relationship between two same gender? Come on don’t fool yourself. Even in physical aspect man to man relationship is not compatible. If you will start believing in the bible that women are made for man – then you might see the light one day.
I am not judging you if you have that kind of relationship, people are given free will to do what they like – but as Christians’ whose free will are submitted or subject to Christ – the highest authority that we know is God’s commandment. If God says NO – it means NO.
I don’t see any common platform that we can agree upon. If you consider yourself the authority of everything that you are doing – then go your way, but I am standing still on the faith that we’ve learned from the bible. MAN TO MAN EROTIC LOVE (RELATIONSHIP) IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO GOD. If it is acceptable to you – then that’s your choice.
Again I will leave you with this verse:
Pro 14:12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof [are] the ways of death.
To Lyonesse & mike
Before anything else brothers and sisters, I have three simple questions for you:
What is good?
What is right?
What is Morality?
Thank you!
Dear open minded, homosexuality is strictly condemned in the Bible along with some other sins. God loves the person but hates the sin. When you say that if someone loves the other person that makes it ok is no more than being guided by emotions. The Bible says that God holds his Word above His name. People use this being in love as an excuse for divorce and so much other things. As the Apostle Paul said “keeping the commandments of God is what matters.”
What a nice post this is the best post ever
Dear Open_minded,
Your question may seem simple, but it isn’t. Discussing it here entirely would take us back to the time of Adam and Eve. To be truthful, I do not deem myself worthy to explain this topic to you in full detail. Perhaps in due time, He may give you the knowledge about those questions. It’s not that I do not know, but rather individuals may think I am a representative of our religious group and I might cause more problems thasn solutions…
Honestly, I sometimes remember a certain person who is like you. But, just in case you are that person, then please understand that I may no longer be able to impart such things with you. I’m really sorry…
For for the sake of your questions, here is a bit of information that I may impart wth you: What’s good for me may not be good to you. What’s right for me may be wrong for you. I may see something as moral while you don’t. However, all in all, what matters is what not you or I think but what He wants…
Thank you…
How about identity crisis in sex?
Can i copy paste to ur some selection, i did it?
Thanks for this post, even though I don’t agree that being a practicing homosexual (in a monogamous relationship) is a sin.
Tony Santos said:
Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”
Romans 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”
Both of those verses clearly point to men who were originally having sex with women. Unless you are bisexual, you cannot lie with mankind as with womankind, which implies both. Read that first verse from a woman’s point of view and see if your interpretation still makes sense.
The second verse clearly describes men who leave behind sexual relationships with women in favor of men.
Clearly, both of these verses are referring to sexually promiscuous males who don’t care about anything but pleasure, not monogamous homosexuals.
When u look the definition of sodomite, it say refers simililarity on same sex, but note that sodomite used on the scripture is the is different meaning on the some dictionary. The reason why is Mr. Soriano is refered to the origin of the word that is base on the greek dictionary.
To Brian
“Practicing homosexual” as you satated is practicing a sinful act It’s evil and immoral in the eyes of God. It’s not the nature of a homosexual atributes the ferformance of the act but the act itself.
Edwin,
It is impossible to conclusively use scripture to define monogamous homosexual sex as evil and immoral in the eyes of God – unless you are willing to use verses out of context. Almost every verse used against our community is referring to homosexual acts that involve rape, idol worship, or promiscuity.
I would suggest reading the following article, which analyzes each and every verse that has been used against homosexuals for far too long. The arguments presented here are every bit as worthy of consideration as those put forth by the church.
http://www.truthsetsfree.net/studypaper.html
I would also recommended a book entitled What The Bible Really Says About Homosexuality, which is readily available on Amazon.
I’ve heard and read just about every argument that the church has against my lifestyle, even though it makes me uncomfortable.
All I ask is that you be open-minded enough to read a different point of view, even if it makes you uncomfortable.
The truth will set you free.
Acts 10:28 – “But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean.” (NIV)
Dear Brian, It is very possible to use scripture to show that homosexuality is sinful. The verses in Romans 1 says that people are given a spirit of delusion as a result of worshiping the creature rather than the Creator. People dishonor themselves men burn in lust one for the other and women likewise. When someone is lead by an evil spirit how righteous can they be?
Brian, about your comment #51,
Why should I buy a book from amazon to understand what the bible says about homosexuality? It is an absurd idea to buy information that was freely given, especially originating from the bible! If it was really meant to help, it should have been freely posted to the internet, so that every homosexual, individual, man or woman will be able to understand it!
By the way, we have all the information from the bible, readily available by those who will accept the True teachings/doctrines, through Bro Eliseo Soriano as he reads with us the corresponding and related verses from the bible, with the help of the Holy Spirit.
Freely ye received, freely give!
The bible imparts that people tend to listen to what their hearts desire. If a man desires flesh or desires a man, desires affection from his same sex, desires something out of natural way of doing things – he will listen to a preacher that says these things:
1. it’s okay for two man(male) to marry as long as they do not copulate; make love; f_ ck. (sorry for the word, but it’s important to make a point)
2. it’s biblical for a male and a male (male) or two female to love each other like married individual as long as they do not f_ck.
How come these thing become okay, right, biblical, true, normal, acceptable – in the eyes of God?
Or it is just okay in your own sight?
The bible imparts that people tend to listen to what their hearts desire.
If a man desires flesh or desires a man; desires affection from his same sex; desires something out of natural way of doing things – he will listen to a preacher that says these things:
1. it’s okay for two man(male) to marry as long as they do not copulate; make love; f_ ck. (sorry for the word, but it’s important to make a point)
2. it’s biblical for two male or two female to love each other like married individual as long as they do not f_ck.
3. it’s okay and biblical for 2 male or 2 female to f_uck as long as they did not have history of f_cking their opposites.
How come these thing become okay, right, biblical, true, normal, acceptable – in the eyes of God?
Or it is just okay in your own sight and the sight of your false preacher?
elmantheman,
Aren’t most Bibles purchased? Therefore, why would anyone have a problem spending $10 to read a deep analysis of the Biblical debate on homosexuality?
Also, I don’t understand why you constantly refer to my “false preacher”, when I have barely even discussed this topic with my pastor.
Perhaps your rely too much on your own pastor, and think that I must do the same.
Psalm 118:8 – “It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man.”
Hi Brian,
I am glad to learn that you have been reading here too!
Well, what can I do if you see my comments as “disrespectful” because I have said something about what truly hurting you, your pride.
But I am just helping you to realise that as a homosexual and having the freewill, we are not to succumb to the lust of the flesh. And this kind of information that we most of the time question becomes the target of false teachers. They tend to say that by following the heart, sex, even to the same gender becomes honorable and right.
As of now, since you cannot be dissuaded of continuing to read the sort of books you prefer and the preachers you seem to trust, I hope you will always remember this passage:
2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Lastly, since a lot of people are not learned of the truth in the bible, they tend to translate and print the bible for profit. In terms of mistranslations, that does not necessarily mean that there are no old manuscripts that we can use as reference should the translated bible were really adulterated or mistranslated.
In contrast, printing authored books are interpretation of those people who obviously might sound rational but still leaning to subjective way of thinking. Their “say” becomes more important than the real context of the verse they are trying to explain.
By the way, I know a lot of person and organization that buys a lot of bible and give it for free. I know a person who reads to us the verse in full objectivity.
You are now reading from his blog.
May God bless you for you to see clearly.
To Elmantheman,
Elmanthegay : it’s okay for two man(male) to marry as long as they do not copulate; make love; f_ ck. (sorry for the word, but it’s important to make a point)
Commentary:
Hey! f_ckin gay! What the f_ck are you talking about here? If my lover f_uck me out of love, Is there a problem?
Is f_cking more than LOVE?
OR
F_ckin is just ONE expression of that LOVE?
You are a f_ckin closed-minded!
2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.”
Is it better to lie to yourself and to other people and to God (that you are sexually attracted to people of your own gender) than to accept that you are the way you are?
If I tell you that I prefer vanilla ice cream over chocolate, even though I prefer chocolate, but I only say “vanilla” because that is the only ‘socially acceptable flavor’, than am I not being a people-pleaser and a liar by this falsehood?
PRAISE HONOR AND GLORY TO GOD. May the PEACE of the LORD be unto you Bro Eli, Bro Daniel, ministers, workers, members of the CHURCH OF GOD International, and everybody in this blog. It is very enlightening and satisfying to learn many things from GOD thru Bro Eli’s discussion of issues never touched by the ‘leaders’ of other churches. Bro Eli frankly and truthfully take on the topics biblically, even if some people, especially the ‘enemies’ of GOD are angered. On the other hand, other church leaders prefer to avoid the issues and instead flatter everybody for their own self- enrichment reasons. I accept Bro Eli’s description of a homosexual as differentiated from a sodomite, with the first having all the same chances of being save like any ordinary man or woman free from sinful lusts and fornications. A sodomite who performs weird and perverted sexual acts with the same or opposite sex, to my mind has lost all the chances for salvation, [I will not and can not judge them]. Thank you Bro Eli, Bro Daniel for all your sacrifices to spread the TRUTH of GOD. We are always praying for your safety, health and continuous spiritual and physical strenght.
I believe that the SDA Church and Bro. Eli does not condemn this kind of people… for they have chance to change.
Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
Men who act like women, whether obviously or not, have the chance to be saved from hell. It is not proper to judge them immediately and say that they belong to neither genders. While some have reasoned out that God created only male and female (originally), it is still good to note that gays also came from God as supported in John 1:3. If a homosexual or a gay keeps his promise to fulfill the Law of God for as long as he lives and if he does not do anything unlawful, he is then likely to be a candidate for salvation.
In other words, whether you are gay or not, as long as you don’t do what is immoral, then there is definitely nothing to worry.
If some will argue that the act of being homosexual itself is a sin, then they are ill-advised.
this made a lot of sense…
Very enlightining , scriptures made to be understood , it opens our understanding our hearts and soul .
Misinterpretations of the Bible have damaged a lot of lives.
Imagine, how many gays were duped into believing that being themselves was bad?
How many gays have undergone psychological therapy thinking that homosexuality is a disease that can be cured?
Those teachings are just plain wrong, but have had many complicated consequences.
Thanks to God that there is a blog like this that shares to the world the holy truths about the matter.
Thanks be to God! This is glaring biblical proof that gays are not condemned by God to hell from birth!