Ignorant of His Own Ignorance


Dear William,

 

In your comment to my earlier post “The Church of God is Needed for Salvation,” you asserted without proof that it is not the physical body of Christ that delivered the Church. I am posting what you wrote in the red letters that follow:

“THE SPIRIT IS THAT WHICH MAKES ALIVE, THE FLESH FROFITS NOTHING, THE WORDS THAT WHICH I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE.”” …”The flesh profits nothing he said”.

Well, it doesn’t require a theologian to understand this, does it? Attentive children with eyesight of 20/20 would get his point.

It is the words, not the flesh and blood that delivered them, that one must eat and drink to receive eternal life, Is it not?”

You concluded that it is not the flesh and the blood (of Christ) that delivered them that one must eat and drink, but the words. May I advice you to be more careful next time in concluding anything without due investigation first. In Colossians 1:22, it says:

“In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblamable and unreprovable in his sight…”

It is clear in the preceding verse that it is His body of flesh, which He offered through death. Your conclusion that it is the word that redeems is illogical because the word does not die, but the flesh. Through the death of the ‘sinless flesh’ of Jesus, we are sanctified. The ‘we’ I am mentioning is the Church of God, to whom these epistles were written for. Hebrews 10:10 clarifies that further.

“By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.”

The Church, or the ‘we’, is the entity being sanctified by the offering of His body of flesh. It is not the Church (as body) being offered as sacrifice, but His body of flesh, that the body or the Church maybe sanctified.

(Ephesians 5:25-27) “Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.”

The act of giving Himself for the Church sanctified it. How? Through the washing of water by the word. Which water will sanctify the Church? The water and the blood which oozed from the fleshly body of the Lord Jesus Christ.

(John 19:24) “But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.”

The topic of discussion which you sighted in John chapter 6 does not speak of redemption. The topic is how to have eternal life. Anyone who wants to live eternally with God must eat the flesh and drink the blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. In the entire chapter, the bread and the meat being mentioned refers to the word of God. It is the bread which came down from heaven that gives eternal life to anybody who will receive it.

(John 6:50-56) “This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live forever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world. The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, how can this man give us his flesh to eat? Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.”

When the Jews heard this, they were offended because they presumed that our Lord Jesus Christ is speaking of His physical flesh and blood, so, He clarified by saying that He is speaking of spiritual things.

(John 6:60-61,63) “Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is a hard saying; who can hear it? When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?”

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”

In your comment, you hastily concluded that the phrase “the flesh profits nothing” refers to the flesh of the Lord Jesus Christ. I will copy your comment in red letters.

“So what about the flesh? once again which is very important to your doctrine. He said : “The flesh profits nothing” meaning from Jesus’ viewpoint (in contrast to St. Paul’ viewpoint), the flesh, his flesh with its blood gains nothing for anyone . Is flesh important or not? if not, then how is it possible to redeem your so called church by his flesh?”

You even have erroneously concluded that the viewpoint of Christ is in contrast to the viewpoint of the apostle Paul. That is the greatest mistake that you have committed!

Let me scientifically prove this to you. Just what does the Bible mean “the flesh profits nothing”? Is it the flesh of the Lord Jesus Christ? Or the flesh of those who hear His words? If you received the words of the Lord Jesus, symbolic of the bread and the blood, it is not your flesh that will profit, but the spirit in you. The food for spirit is spiritual.

(1 Peter 3:4) “But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.”

“The flesh profits nothing” does not mean the flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ, as you concluded, “gains nothing for anyone”. It is His flesh that suffered, afflicted, wounded, beaten, and have died — not His word.

(Isaiah 53:3-5) “He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.”

It is His body of flesh that was wounded that we may be healed or redeemed.

The apostle Peter clarified this further (I hope you are not in bad terms with the apostle Peter as you are with Paul).

(1 Peter 2:24) “Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.”

The ‘body’ on the tree is not the ‘word’. It (the body) bore our sins. It is the body on the tree that was stricken with stripes that we may be healed.

Let me tell you something to think about so that next time you will not be too hasty in your conclusions. Speaking of redemption, it is the body of Christ that was offered for redemption of sins. Speaking of having eternal life, the words of the Lord Jesus will provide it. These are two different topics which you mixed, and erroneously interpreted by your own preconceived idea.

Note the following verse:

(John 6:68) “Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life.”

Although redemption and eternal life are correlated matters, they are not the same thing. The ‘flesh profits nothing’ does not mean the flesh of Christ; after all, He is not speaking to Himself but, to the Jews with bodies of flesh.

See the point?

This is a brotherly advice: Do not ever say again that the Church established by God through the Lord Jesus Christ is not vital to salvation. The only one true Church in the Bible did not branch into more than 38,000 denominations as you claim. These are not branches; they are fake churches founded by man.

(Romans 10:3) “For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.”

If a tree produced branches, they are genuine parts of the tree. If there are 38,000 denominations, as you claim now (I do not know where you got the statistics), they are not branches (look it up in the dictionary).

branch

noun (plural branch·es)

1. part of tree growing from trunk: a woody limb of a tree that grows out from a larger limb or from the trunk

2. botany part of plant stem or root: a subdivision of the stem, root, or flower cluster of a plant

3. something like tree branch: something that resembles a branch of a tree in structure

the branches of the stag’s antlers

Encarta Dictionary

The Mormons that practice polygamy is not a branch of Christianity. It is fake Christianity.

(1 Timothy 3:2) “A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach…”

Polygamy is not allowed to Christians, but the founder of the Mormon Church collected more than 40 wives, according to a book written by J. Oswald Sanders. (See clip below)

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Do not ever say again that, “anyone who will say that the Church is needed for salvation is not only ignorant, but ignorant of his own ignorance”, who is now ignorant of his own ignorance? Is it me or you? I do not want to judge you.

May God enlighten you through His words.

Sincerely,

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EFS

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72 thoughts on “Ignorant of His Own Ignorance

  1. Crystal clear explanation by the only sensible preacher in our time!!! Bro. Eli Soriano! TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!!

    TO WILLIAM:

    Now you are going to realize your recklessness in delivering your preconcieved ideas about the verses in the bible especially the writings of St. Paul and giving unbiblical conclusions. No wonder that you don’t know the writings of St. Paul and you will never know it because instead of cleaving to the Church of God built by God through our Lord Jesus Christ, you are abhoring it. Sa loob lang kasi ng Iglesia ng Dios ipinauunawa ang mga salita ng Dios.
    May God enlighten you.

  2. Thanks be to God Bro. Eli for performing your duties for the Glory of our God. You are expressing your disapproval to the false doctrines of Mormonism and other religious organizations with gentleness and kindly intent. With God’s help, you are doing what is being written in…

    [2 Tim 4:2] Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

    [2 Tim 4:2] Ipangaral mo ang salita; magsikap ka sa kapanahunan, at sa di kapanahunan, sumawata ka, sumaway ka, mangaral ka na may buong pagpapahinuhod at pagtuturo.

    To God be the Glory!

  3. –> Bro. Eli to Mr. William: May God enlighten you through His words.
    –> dimitri to Mr. William: May God enlighten you.

    Yes! Because…

    [Tit 3:3] For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

    [Tit 3:3] Sapagka’t tayo rin naman nang unang panahon ay mga mangmang, mga suwail, mga nadaya, na nagsisipaglingkod sa sarisaring masamang pita at kalayawan, na nangamumuhay sa masasamang akala at kapanaghilian, mga napopoot, at tayo’y nangagkakapootan.

    May God enlighten you Mr. William.

  4. The bible is really true when it said:

    Ecclesiastes 3:15  That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

    Like the in the past:

    Acts 9:29  And he spake boldly in the name of the Lord Jesus, and disputed against the Grecians: but they went about to slay him.
    30  Which when the brethren knew, they brought him down to Caesarea, and sent him forth to Tarsus.
    31  Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.

    And now, this.

    And so, thanks and glory be to God forever because of you Bro. Eli!

  5. this was the same understanding i had before, I thought that anyone can be a true follower as long you recieved the lord Jesus you were given power to become a child of God when i recieved him. I attended bible studies of our own in evangelical churches. I thought we were part of the church of God. we studied bible among ourselves during fridays. I thought i had the right spirit of God because i could rigthly deviding the words of God. we attended fellowship with other christian denominations even though we had little disagreement on some doctrines, but for the sake of brotherly love we tried to get along. we were then happy afterwards. But when i heard bro. Eli in television those lies clouted in my mind were removed. Ofcourse not right away. I listened to his preaching. I believed this was vital. I was saved from darkness that satan made me to believe. Now, i rather listen to the true servant of Christ that can devide the words of God rightfully. It is this spirit that bro. Eli has. Not everyone had this. I believe in one time God sends someone for his people in his true Church. It is this time with Bro. Eli, our brothers and sisters in the Church of God, international. ssd

  6. Reading the Bible in the English language particularly KJV is really hard for me to understand. But thanks to God that He enlightened me to understand this article. Thanks to God for having Bro. Eli in this perilous time.

    What a very nice article!!!

  7. PEACE OF CHRIST
    About 3 years ago I dropped into a black hole – four months of absolute terror. I wanted to end my life, but somehow [Holy Spirit], I reached out to a friend who took me to hospital. I had three visits [hospital] in four months – I actually thought I was in hell. I imagine I was going through some sort of metamorphosis [mental, physical & spiritual]. I had been seeing a therapist [1994] on a regular basis, up until this point in time. I actually thought I would be locked away – but the hospital staff was very supportive [I had no control over my process]. I was released from hospital 16th September 1994, but my fear, pain & shame had only subsided a little. I remember this particular morning waking up [home] & my process would start up again [fear, pain, & shame]. No one could help me, not even my therapist [I was terrified]. I asked Jesus Christ to have mercy on me & forgive me my sins. Slowly, all my fear has dissipated & I believe Jesus delivered me from my “psychological prison.” I am a practicing Catholic & the Holy Spirit is my friend & strength; every day since then has been a joy & blessing. I deserve to go to hell for the life I have led, but Jesus through His sacrifice on the cross, delivered me from my inequities. John 3: 8, John 15: 26, are verses I can relate to, organically. He’s a real person who is with me all the time. I have so much joy & peace in my life, today, after a childhood spent in orphanages [England & Australia]. God LOVES me so much. Fear, pain, & shame, are no longer my constant companions. I just wanted to share my experience with you [Luke 8: 16 – 17].

    Peace Be With You
    Micky

  8. during Saturdays –
    holy kiss flies to and fro,
    children of God sing

    Divine eyes observe,
    while church bells remain silent –
    feast in Apalit.

    (edited 11Jan07) haiku 3

  9. we are really enlighten on how brother eli explain the ignorance of william.

    for me, its good that william voice out his logic in proving that God is imaginary because the moment brother eli answered his question…

    i proved to myself that there is really a God of wisdom, a powerful Being, a GOD of LOVE.

  10. yes truly indeed Thanks be to God! to stop this nonsense

    concluded guy, we hope you enlighten when you read Bro.

    eli’s answer…

    i answer his comment i did not read your answer

    earlier…Thanks be to God, next time we hope that you

    carefull to your words yah, THANK YOU for sticking to our

    forum…May God enlighten you..

  11. To Micky,

    You said, “I am a practicing Catholic & the Holy Spirit is my friend & strength; every day since then has been a joy & blessing.”

    I think you better reconsider what you are practicing, primarily for this reason:

    Deuteronomy 5:7  Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
    8  Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
    9  Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,

    I was once a catholic, too, all my life – 23 years at that – until more than a year ago. And I believe it is not the Holy Spirit who is with catholicism.

    According to the bible, the fruit of the Spirit are these;

    Galatians 5:22  But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
    23  Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

    But look at our countrymen, when they claim that the philippines is the only christian nation in asia, if can you see these fruits in them, tell me. They should say instead that it is the only catholic country in asia.

    For 400 years or so in our land, catholicism created universal drunkards, gamblers, fornicators, idol worshippers, etc… whatever have you. Rizal, our national hero, knew this. And I believe it was not the government who had him executed but the catholic church, if you will only read his writings.

    I suggest that you try and study your faith again.

  12. I have known so many preacher and heard of thier preaching.. different religions in the Philippines, and also even in other countries all over the globe, but not one of them, ….except Bro. Ely Soriano do I hear and withness the real and true preaching of the word of God in the Bible! All the questions being asked about faith, religion, salvation and so many other questions of faith….I adhere to one justifiable conclusion that indeed only Bro Ely Soriano reads the answer directly from the bilbe, nothing more and nothing less!!!! I am very thankful to God for I am certain that He really has sent a preacher in this days! May Lord continue to guide you Bro. Ely.

  13. To micky,
    The physical, mental or spiritual deliverance you have encountered may seem to be real because you somehow feel okay right now but what we’re trying to share here is a true deliverance that you can experience in a true Church of God in this time. You said that you are practicing catholic. You mean your faith is based on Roman Catholic Doctrines? do you know that one of the doctrines of roman catholic is believing in idols. I’m sorry to say this but the God of the bible abhors idolatry. If you are in the congregation of idol worshippers do you think the God of the bible is in you? You must reconsider your faith right now. I think the Jesus that you knew is different from what we know. Although you may have felt delivered, that may not be the true deliverance you need. You can only get the true deliverance from the true Jesus. And knowing the true Jesus is knowing the true doctrines of Jesus Christ who teaches in the true Church of God. I suggest that you keep in touch with bro. Eli. Ask him how will you ever know the true Jesus in the true Church of God so that you can have the real deliverance. ssD

  14. to William,

    Keep viewing this website…i hope one day you realize it…

    Just be honest to yourself….and one day you could be like us…

    To GOD be the glory………….

  15. Bro.eli

    Peace!

    note: thank you for your time.

    Jesus saith:

    “THE SPIRIT IS THAT WHICH MAKES ALIVE, THE FLESH FROFITS NOTHING, THE WORDS THAT WHICH I HAVE
    SPOKEN TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE.””

    “Truly truly i say to you that the one hearing my word and believing the one having sent me has eternal life, and does not come into JUDGEMENT but is moved out of death
    into life”

    And so:

    ………..It is the words, not the flesh and blood that delivered them, that one must eat and drink to receive eternal life, Why?

    ……..It constitute the living bread and it is the true manna from heaven. why?

    Allow me to present here Jesus’ “Prescriptions” (w/o the contaminants) of attaining eternal life (Luke 5:32 , matthew 10:32-33, matthew 19-17, mark 10:21, Luke 18:22, mark 10:23, matthew 19:23, luke 18:24, matthew 22: 37-40, John 12:25, 26, luke 14:27)

    1. Repent and Confess your sins

    2. confess Jesus before men

    3. Keep the commandments. Keep the Second commandment. Love your neighbor as yourself. Keep the First and Great Commandment. Love the Lord your god with all your mind, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strenght, for on two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.

    4. Forsake the things of this world.

    5. Follow Jesus by taking up one’s own cross (not Jesus taking your own- atonement doctrine).
    this is the sum of the above.

    6. believe in Jesus by receiving and believing his words (his anadulterated teachings). This is the equivalent of all of the above, or put more concisely,

    “If you would enter into life, keep the commandments.”

    Brother eli ,the mercy principles underlies the salvation doctrine of Jesus, Yes it is true we have sinned and we are liable for our sins, but we must not forget that God is also so great in mercy as to forgive us without payment provided only that we repent of the sin and render like mercy to those who offend us. The parable of the Unmerciful servant illustrate this issue very clearly let me quote: “The peter came up and said to him, “Lord how often shall my brother sins against meand i forgive him? as many as severn times? Jesus said to him , I do not say to you seven times, but 70×7. Therefore the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle account with his servants, when he bagan the reckoning, one was brought to him who owed him 10,000 talents and as he could not pay, his lord ordered him to be sold with his wife and children and all that he had and payment to be made. So the servant fell on his knees imploring him, Lord have patience with me and I will pay you everything. And out of pity for him the lord of that servant released him and forgive him the debt. But that same servant as he went out, came upon of his fellow servant who owed him a hundred dinar and seizing him by the throat he said: “Pay what you owe me” so his fellow servant fell down and besought him Patience with me, and I will pay you. He refused and went and put him in prison till he should pay the debt. When his fellow servants saw that had happened, they wre greatly distressed. and they went and reported to their lord all that had taken place. Then his lord summoned him and said to him, you wicked servant I FORGAVE YOU ALL THAT DEBT because you besought me; and should not you have mercy on your fellow servant as i havd mercy on you? and in anger his lord delivered him to the jailers, till he should pay
    all his debt.So also my heavenly father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart. (Matthew 18: 23-35).

    So , the key is in one of Jesus’s saying which is let me quote: ” blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy” (matthew 5:7), it is a matter of simple justice because one who is merciful receives mercy in the form of forgiveness of sin, one who is not merciful will receive no mercy no forgiveness of sin.

    NO need of Jesus’s blood thus if a christian profess that the crucifixion of Jesus was payment of the sin debt for all who believe, they are also saying that their God is merciless for in such case the debt is not mercifully retired unpaid as essential to forgiveness, they are also further charging God with injustice who would have him punish the innocent one for the guilty!

    IN other words, there no forgiveness there (Atonement doctrine) ‘coz God doesnt care about the source of payment provided only that it is paid? in this case God does not
    forgive any sin from his heart, it is not mercy b’coz God simply accept payments which terminates the obligation, I cannot call him both merciful and forgiving for this God does not cancel any sin or debt until it has been fully paid, and sadly the one who paid it is sombody who is not indebted to him, what an irony! So in short there is no justice, He is not merciful and just either because he requires the death and suffering of bloodshed of his innocent son before he can forgive those guilty ones

    WE all know that Jesus talked in Parables, and He taught them in parables. The parable of the prodigal son is a good representation of love in action, of real mercy in action, of salvation in action. The prodigal son had to REPENT so as to bring his will into harmony with the single will of his father and he needed to CONFESS the error of his way. And his Father rejoiced and said: “My son was dead and is alive, was lost and is found” , And the prodigal’s father did not require atonement for sin. He did not call out, “WHERE IS MY SACRIFICE WHEREBY I MAY BE PROPRIATED FOR YOUR SINS”This father did not send the innocent elder brother out into the far country to seek the lost son by shedding his blood into an atoning sacrifice. The Father and Son desireth mercy They said: ” I desire mercy, and not sacrifice (Hosea 6:6, Matthew 9:13, 12:7)

    What sort of father is it who requires the death and suffering of bloodshed by his loyal, devoted and innocent son before he would receive and forgive his guilty son? ………Not the father of the prodigal son , NEITHER God in heaven.

    No just parent (a just father would rather sacrifice himself) would do such thing to his faithful son similarly no just God punishes the innocent one for the guilty

    Therefore the good news is not about Jesus being the bloody sacrifice as substitute for our sins b’coz there is simply
    NO LOGICAL CONNECTION between an innocent man hanging painfully on an old wooden cross and the eradication of sins of mankind from those who can only do so through a change
    of heart and attitude through the experience of kindness, love and compassionate joy, the good news is the “Saying” that we need to follow taken from His Father because from their we can attain Salvation. A CHANGE OF HEART, “TRUE REPENTANCE” in its absolute essence IS WHAT WE NEED.

    Brother, the problem with your view is that it never occurred to your mind that God is capable of forgiveness even without atoning sacrifice of a sinless individual. It is indeed true and i agree that God hateth sin and that sin really is ugly in
    the eyes of God, So how does it then follow logically that a Good God requires even more sin, thru the brutal killing and human sacrifice of a sinless man? just for payment of the guilty? it creates more sins and its ugly! Why not open your heart and focus on the merciful nature of God that he is capable of forgiveness. You see, its ironic, you are preaching aboout a merciful God and yet preaching also that this
    God requires the death of an innocent one before he can forgive, Again, any open minded christian and thinkers of this forum could understand the bearing of this assertion. Again, God can forgive sins provided that that we repent and confessed ( a change of heart) our sins.

    And so He sent his only begotten son to personally (not for atoning sacrifice) deliver HIS (FATHER) divine sublime teachings which is true from time immemorial.

    your brother in absolute reality,

    william

  16. Bro. eli,

    Peace!

    Part I – viewpoint
    Part II – Q & A portion

    With regards to John 6: 32, 33, verse 48-58 and verse 63. YOu said “If you received the words of the Lord Jesus, symbolic of the bread and the blood, it is not your
    flesh that will profit, but the spirit in you. The food for spirit is spiritual.”

    And so in summation is this what you mean bro. eli? A?:

    A. John 6:32, 33 – figurative, verses 48-58- literal vs. 63 -figurative. or all figurative?
    ———————————————————————–
    B. william: vs. 6:32, 33- figurative, verses 48-58- figurative, vs. 63 -literal
    —————————————————————————–
    And so from this viewpoint (william) the nararation (John chapter 6) goes in this way

    IT is about whether – the “bread of Jesus” or the traditions of men such as levitical bloody sacrifice in the time of Moses, not eating of blood and the like which were permitted
    because of the hardness of their heart. Sacrificial system is
    not the way of salvation. Because it is not the will of the father from the very beginning (I Samuel 15, Psalm 40,50, 51, Isaiah 1, 66, Hosea 8, Amos 5, micah 6) what he desire is sincere Repentance from the heart of the transgressor, He is merciful and he desire no bloody sacrifices. ( I desire mercy and not sacrifice) It is on the “bread of Jesus”, whoever eats it will live forever (salvation). He is the bread that comes down from heaven and one must eat to receive its promise.

    But how does one eat this bread? ONe must eat his flesh? Well, the Jews then dispute and discuss themselves
    asking how they are to do that?

    But we can agree that Jesus was talking figuratively when he identified himself as the bread of life. right?

    The logos became flesh and dwelleth among us, and to
    eat his flesh is to receive the logos and believe in it. right?

    But the Jews do not know, the lord is speaking methaphorically but neither the Jews nor disciples
    knows this, and the Lord does not explain and thus they must understand him to be speaking literally.

    Jesus said: “Drink my blood” Drinking his blood? wasn’t it offensive enough to the Jews to speak of eating my flesh? This is the ultimate challenge of their confidence in the traditions of men such (Lev. 17: 10-14)”whoever eat blood …..whoever eat it shall be cut off”

    As we continue reading , we learn first that his disciples are murmuring and saying:

    “This is a hard saying, who can listen to it? Hearing this , Jesus immediately explained

    John 6: 63 we read, let me quote: “THE SPIRIT IS THAT WHICH MAKES ALIVE, THE FLESH FROFITS NOTHING, THE WORDS THAT
    WHICH I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE.”

    The flesh profits nothing……….This is literal no more figures.

    The disciples is also know that traditions (and was permitted due to the hardness of their heart),
    So Jesus asked them, “Dont you also want to be going away?(John 6:67)

    and peter respond, “towards whom will we depart? You have WORDS of eternal life. (verse 68)

    Therefore , It is the Words, the logos, in verse 64, it is believing the logos that produces
    eternal life. Is it not?

    The words is the real manna coming from heaven and not his flesh .

    This informs us that there is not life to be gained – the profit is nothing_ from partaking of his flesh and Life comes only by partaking of his words. But for you bro. eli and the rest of christendom it is the body of Christ that was offered for redemption of sins.

    Part II – Q & A

    Bro. eli: You concluded that it is not the flesh and the blood that delivered them that one must eat and drink, but the words. May I advice you to be more careful
    next time in concluding anything without due investigation first. In Colossians 1:22,

    it says:

    “In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblamable and
    unreprovable in his sight…”

    It is clear in the preceding verse that it is His body of flesh, which He offered
    through death.

    my response: Of course, for St. Paul, Jesus was a paschal lamb (I cor. 5:7) and let me add He also mention: “In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our
    trespasses according to the riches of his grace.(Eph 1:7) and also he said: “who has put to death for our tresspasses and raised for our justification (Rom 4:25)

    But what did Jesus say with regards
    to our trespasses and forgiveness?

    Jesus says: “for if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly father also will forgive you
    but if you do not forgive men their tresspasses, neither wiill your father forgive your trespasses
    (Matthew 6:14-15) meaning there is forgiveness until we seek forgiveness at which point God will
    forgive us provided only that we similarly forgive others. (Parable of the unmerciful servant)

    With regards to Bloody Sacrifice: ( if he desireth not in bloody sacrifice and burnt offerings then why will he sacrifice himself? )

    Jesus says: “Go and learn what this mean, “I desire mercy and NOT SACRIFICE” (matthew
    9:13)

    See the difference?
    ————————————————————————–

    Bro. eli: Your conclusion that it is the word that redeems is illogical because the word does not die, but the flesh. Through the death of the ‘sinless flesh’ of Jesus, we are sanctified. The ‘we’ I am mentioning is the Church of God, to whom these epistles were written for. Hebrews 10:10 clarifies that further.Bro. eli: The Church, or the ‘we’, is the entity being sanctified by the offering of His body of flesh. It is not the Church (as body) being offered as sacrifice, but His body of
    flesh, that the body or the Church maybe sanctified. (Ephesians 5:25-27) “Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of
    water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.”
    “By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.” The Church, or the ‘we’, is the entity being sanctified by the offering of His body
    of flesh. It is not the Church (as body) being offered as sacrifice, but His body of flesh, that the body or the Church maybe sanctified. (Ephesians 5:25-27) “Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church,and gave himself for it; That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.”
    The act of giving Himself for the Church sanctified it. How? Through the washing of water by the word. Which water will sanctify the Church? The water and the blood
    which oozed from the fleshly body of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is His body of flesh that was wounded that we may be healed or redeemed.Speaking of redemption, it is the body of Christ that was offered for redemption of sins. Speaking of having eternal life, the words of the Lord Jesus will provide it.

    my response: Let me add, St. paul also said: “Since, therefore, we are now justified by his bloodmuch more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God” (Rom. 5:9)

    But what did Jesus say ?

    “For by words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned (Matt. 12:37) So here, we are liable for our sins.

    See the difference?

    ———————————————————————-

    Brol eli: You even have erroneously concluded that the viewpoint of Christ is in contrast to the viewpoint of the apostle Paul. That is the greatest mistake that you have
    committed!

    my response: Are they not? There are a lot of discrepancies /inconsistencies between them, kindly re-read my previous post in this forum and refute it one by one. here is one, he said: What then? are we Jews any better off? NO, not at all; for I have already charged that all men , both jews and greeks, are under the power of sin, as it is written: “None is righteous no not one; for THERRE IS NO DISTINCTION; since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God” (Rom 3: 9-10, 22-23) (He said it is written but where? because when Jesus says it is written you can actually find the source as it is)

    But what did Jesus say?

    ” The good man out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure brings forth evil ( Matthew 12: 35), “The good man out of the good treasure of his heart produces good, and the evil man out of his evil treasure produces evil;l for out of the abundance of the of the heart his mouth speaks (Luke 6:45), “That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed on earth, from the blood of innocent abel to the blood of Zechari’ah the son of Barachi’ah , whom you murdered between the sanctuary and the altar. (Matthew 23:35).

    See the contradiction?

    There are plenty of contradictions between them and I am glad to discuss it with you one by one! ( If our time permits. ) Thank you! And hope to see you once again in the traditional TV channel just like before, I am on your side against the INC. You are more sensible than any of them. Yes, you are probably the best in Pauline christianity of our time.

    Your brother in absolute reality,

    william

  17. TO WILLIAM FOR WILLIAM AND WILLIAM:

    AGAIN YOUR SHOWING YOUR FOOLISHNESS IN THE LANGUAGES OF THE BIBLE, YOUR WONDERING WHY YOU HAVE A LOT OF QUESTION IN THE BIBLE? AND TO SATISFY YOUR SELF YOUR INJECTING YOUR PRECONCEIVE IDEAS.

    WHAT GOD PROMISED IS…

    ISAIAH 34:16″SEEK YE OUT OF THE BOOK OF THE LORD, AND READ: NO ONE OF THESE SHALL FAIL, NONE SHALL WANT HER MATE: FOR MY MOUTH IT HATH COMMANDED, AND HIS SPIRIT IT HATH GATHERED THEM.

    I WILL SHARE YOU A SECRET IT IS BETWEEN YOU AND ME DON’T TELL ANYBODY OK?
    I KNOW SOMEBODY WHO CAN UNDERSTAND

    READ : PLS….

    DANIEL 12:9 “AND HE SAID, GO THY WAY, DANIEL: FOR THE WORDS ARE CLOSED UP AND SEALED TILL THE TIME OF THE END.”
    DANIEL 12:10″MANY SHALL BE PURIFIED, AND MADE WHITE, AND TRIED; BUT THE WICKED SHALL DO WICKEDLY: AND NONE OF THE WICKED SHALL UNDERSTAND; BUT THE WISE SHALL UNDERSTAND.”

    THAT’S THE REASON WHY!! YOU CANNOT UNDERSTAND YOU ARE NOT THE WISE

    BUT IF YOU THINK YOUR WISE
    KINDLY EXPLAIN THIS VERSE

    ISAIAS 2:22″CEASE YE FROM MAN, WHOSE BREATH IS IN HIS NOSTRILS: FOR WHEREIN IS HE TO BE ACCOUNTED OF?

  18. TO WILLIAM FOR WILLIAM AND WILLIAM:

    YOU SAID”You see, its ironic you are preaching a merciful GOD and yet preaching also that this GOD requires the death of an innocent one before he can forgive, Again, any open minded christian and thinkers of this forum can understand the bearing of this assertion.”

    POOR WILLIAM, UNFORTUNATELY NOT FOR A TRUE CHRISTIANS
    YOUR SO MABABAW YOUR DEEPNESS IS JUST A PAIL OF WATER
    I WILL GIVE YOU SOME VERSES

    REV.7:14″ AND I SAID UNTO HIM, SIR, THOU KNOWEST. AND HE SAID TO ME, THESE ARE THEY WHICH CAME OUT OF GREAT TRIBULATION, AND HAVE WASHED THEIR ROBES, AND MADE THEM WHITE IN THE BLOOD OF THE LAMB.

    MAT.26:27 “AND HE TOOK THE CUP, AND GAVE THANKS, AND GAVE IT TO THEM,SAYING, DRINK YE ALL OF IT;
    MAT.26:28″FOR THIS IS MY BLOOD OF THE NEW TESTAMENT, WHICH IS SHED FOR MANY FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS.”

    POOR WILLIAM AGAIN
    WHY YOU SAID”NO NEED OF JESUS’S BLOOD”

    TRY TO ATTEND AND LISTEN CAREFULLY IN OUR LOCAL NEAR YOU EVERY SATURDAY FOR OUR THANKSGIVING DAY SO THAT YOU WILL BE ENLIGHTEN.

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  20. TO: Micky

    Since you are narrating your short story I tell it also my experience.

    I am practising a catholic before, Although I am 3 months old of this congregation but after I realized the miss out from the new covenant law.

    I can tell myself that to be a catholic is to be a stupid.

    But don’t worry ignorance lead to stupidiity, just stick to our Lord Jesus Christ teaching and pray ye to the FATHER in heaven and forget the multiple sainthood.

    But its gonna better that you will find another lambs that trying to worship the FATHER in heaven in spirit and in truth so that you are all in one in feeding and tending of each other.

    EYES

  21. TO WILLIAM:

    You said: “Brother, the problem with your view is that it never occurred to your mind that God is capable of forgiveness even without atoning sacrifice of a sinless individual.”

    And so He sent his only begotten son to personally (not for atoning sacrifice) deliver HIS (FATHER) divine sublime teachings which is true from time immemorial.

    Brother, the problem for you is that you don’t understand the reason behind why Our Lord Jesus Christ died on the cross. Who are you to say that there is “NO LOGICAL CONNECTION between an innocent man hanging painfully on an old wooden cross which I believe that you are pertaining to our Lord Jesus Christ and the eradication of sins? By implication, you are directly accusing God of doing such an illogical act! That is tantamount of blasphemy! Kilabutan ka naman! Have it cross to your mind why our Lord Jesus Christ must die on the cross? Have you ask God why his Only Begotten Son must die on the cross? Is this such act of God illogical? For your information, even before our Lord Jesus Christ come into flesh, there are lot of prophesies written in Him that He is going to die on the cross. That is why our Lord Jesus Christ fulfills it. So, what is the reason of fullfilling all those prophesies written Him if there is NO LOGICAL CONNECTION in it. Members of the Church of God are wise enough to understand that God is full of compassion and capable of handing forgiveness but you must consider that there is reason behind why he allowed His Son to die on the cross. You even singled out St. Paul of accusing him that it is only St. Paul’s view that Jesus is a “Paschal Lamb”. Before looking for St. Paul’s view, ask the Father Himself first why He allow the sinless flesh of our Lord Jesus Christ to die on the cross. If you are saying that the reason why the God the Father sent His Only Begotten Son is to personally deliver His messages, why need for Him to die on the cross? He can just deliver the messages of His Father without dying on the cross but that is not the case. There is a great purpose behind it and no wonder that you don’t understand the reason behind it because you are not belong to the CHURCH OF GOD.

  22. Dear William,

    I am so sorry to say this but truly, you are ignorant of your own ignorance.

    YOU SAID: Brother, the problem with your view is that it never occurred to your mind that God is capable of forgiveness even without atoning sacrifice of a sinless individual.

    I don’t think there is any problem with Bro. Eli’s view. You see, when God forgives, there is always a just reason behind His every act of forgiveness. It means that He doesn’t forgive just like that for no reason at all. He said, ” Forgive and thou shalt be forgiven”. God’s forgiveness is being given to those who also forgive. God’s action of foregiveness is never being done without a just reason. That is why God needs a reason so that His act of forgiving man for his wickedness would be justified. Because God is just and He can never go against Himself of being just.

    Allowing His son to suffer a very difficult death to save the Church is definitely the best reason to forgive and save mankind from sin! (That is for those who will accept Christ and his teaching.) Man needs to be punished for his sins and Christ took the punishment which is supposedly for us. Christ willingly did that out of compassion and love. That simply shows how much God loves man and He wants us to be saved.

    If you say that the atoning sacrifice of a sinless individual is not needed because God can forgive the wickedness of men just like that, why did God allowed Christ to suffer?

    Do you mean to say that the Father will just allow anybody to hurt His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON just like that? It will be illogical! If you are a loving Father, you will never allow anybody to hurt your son, if not for a very big reason!

    The reason why He allowed that is to redeem mankind from our sins because we cannot be forgiven without justice being served accordingly. Truly, the death of Christ, a sinless individual, is the best reason for God to forgive us, because he suffered in our stead.

    You are truly more than just an ignorant if you will not understand that.

    YOU SAID: It is indeed true and i agree that God hateth sin and that sin really is ugly in the eyes of God, So how does it then follow logically that a Good God requires even more sin, thru the brutal killing and human sacrifice of a sinless man? just for payment of the guilty? it creates more sins and its ugly!

    I am again sorry to say this but your mind is truly perverted. Christ’s death was never intended by God to require more sin but to actually free us from being slaves to sin! The reason why people continue to sin is because they are slaves to sin! For that reason Christ was sent to save us from sin.

    Now, if a person is freed from sin by means of Christ’s sacrifice, is that ugly? I believe, I have all the reason to be THANKFUL to God, because I am definitely headed for eternal punishment because of my sins but Christ took my sins and the punishment that should have been for me.

    I knew, felt and experience the reality that God had forgiven me. I understood the value of the sacrifice of His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, and it made me a better person. With God’s help, I will do my best, to make sure that his sacrifice would not be put to waste. I believe that is beautiful and can never be ugly.

    For all these matter, I thank God for giving me a preacher who has taught me these things and that is Bro. Eli. To God be the glory forever and ever, Amen.

  23. to william,

    It’s clear that if bro.Eli can’t convince right now there’s no way we can. A lot verses had been written to correct you but you seem to be more knowledgeable than any of our brothers in this forum. You’re heading to one on one e-debate to bro. Eli. There’s only two kinds of persons that you may become. One is fool and the other decieved. But if you will only listen first to the corrections and try not to wiser then probably the darkness that has been clouting in your heart may be lightened up. we’ll just see. ssD

  24. to william,

    It’s clear that if bro.Eli can’t convince right now there’s no way we can. A lot of verses had been written to correct you but you seem to be more knowledgeable than any of our brothers in this forum. You’re heading to one on one e-debate to bro. Eli. There’s only two kinds of persons that you may become. One is fool and the other decieved. But if you will only listen first to the corrections and try not to be wiser then probably the darkness that has been clouting in your heart may be lightened up. we’ll just see. ssD

  25. TO: William

    You stated the following:

    1. Repent and Confess your sins

    2. confess Jesus before men

    3. Keep the commandments. Keep the Second commandment. Love your neighbor as yourself. Keep the First and Great Commandment. Love the Lord your god with all your mind, with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strenght, for on two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.

    4. Forsake the things of this world.

    5. Follow Jesus by taking up one’s own cross (not Jesus taking your own- atonement doctrine).
    this is the sum of the above.

    6. believe in Jesus by receiving and believing his words (his anadulterated teachings). This is the equivalent of all of the above, or put more concisely,

    “If you would enter into life, keep the commandments.”
    ——————————————————————————-

    The statement above is blunder!

    Why? What Jesus taught is:

    1. Hear the words of wisdom(truth)
    2. Believe
    3. Be babtist
    4. Follow the love covenant
    a.) Do righteous works e.g. nor idolaters, nor drunkards, etc.
    b.) Do mercy and justice works and all works with faith
    5. Join to other lambs in order to be as one.
    a.) Repent and Confess your sins with each other
    b.) Confess GOD before men
    c.) Feed and Tend of each others
    6. Help to promote the good news(truth) to the others until to the end of time.

    “Alleluyah na walang hanggan Sa Amang marangal”

    EYES

  26. i posted this article in another forum site, http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=3&topic=36277951
    one of the repliers said

    Ragefulgreed
    Posted 6/24/2007 12:25:50 AM
    message detail redundant.

    If one is currently possessed by the state known as ignorance, it goes without saying that they are ignorant of their ignorance. Otherwise they would be aware of their ignorance, and in doing so no longer be ignorant.

    I see your buldge-eye chibi face and raise you a wtf flag carrying kirby.
    Offical Bolded Sig Taker of POTD.

    hope you’ll answer this

  27. Brod. eli,

    Peace!

    You wrote: “The only one true Church in the Bible did not branch into more than 38,000 denominations as you claim. These are not branches; they are fake churches founded by man. If a tree produced branches, they are genuine parts of the tree. ”

    my response: Brother eli, just a correction, I was referring to the PAULINE church (started by that man whom you called an apostle) that brances into many denominations and not the “Ekklesia” of Jesus- the christ.

    Yes, Of course! If a tree produced branches,they are genuine parts of the tree, similarly if a Pauls church branches, all its branches are also Pauls, because logic tells us that there is no truth in Pauls and vice versa, that you cannot separate the pauls from the truth and vice versa.

    How can the Pauls contain the TRUTH? How can ignorance, darkness contain UNDERSTANDING?

    Where there is LIGHT there is no darkness, where there is ignorance there is always ignorance and therefore Pauls is indeed Pauls.

    Therefore, understanding comes only when we see the Pauls as the Pauls, and that is when we see the TRUTH about the Pauls. Do you agree?

    Thank you!

    Your brother in absolute reality

  28. Brother,

    Peace!

    you wrote: Who are you to say that there is “NO LOGICAL CONNECTION between an innocent man hanging painfully on an old wooden cross.

    my response: You see, the MERCY principle as taught by the Father and the Son can be explained logically,reasonably and rationally. but now, it seems to me that you know the logical connection brother!, so please tell me the (logical) connection.

    But first have you ever questioned the idea of killing an innocent man to appease God? That he required His Son, Jesus of Nazareth, to atone for the sins of humans by suffering the horrible death of crucifixion, thus becoming a a substitionary sacrificial atonement?

    Brother, Yes, it still does not make any sense that killing an innocent victim ins ome way makes our sins go away it is the simplistic mindset of a primitive people during those time which started as an offering by those primitive believer to their God Molech. but now we are no longer primitive! The idea or concept that our sins are somehow forgiven by nailing an innocent man to a cross is really absurd. And
    Is it fair? And following your so called “Justice” would we then tolerate allowing that rapist to be turned back
    unto the streets? Yes, I agree the consequence of our sins
    really demand punishment but it is not just any payment, it is a punishment of the guilty not for any substitution or shall i say by any innocent individual. do you follow?

    And so if you still believe that killing something innocent takes away sin, then kindly explain

    How does it work?

    How does killing an innocent man in any way remove, atone for, or transfer our transgressions?

    How does Jesus’ death remove the sin?

    Because, we can both agree that the person who committed that sins still has them. You see, the only way to change the condition of sin is to change by reformation of character thru confession and repentance and following the sublime UNADULTERATED teachings of the “Christ”.

    Well for a moment let me follow your point, If Jesus paid a ransom for our sins, who did he pay it to?

    Is it to the devil? (because we are imprisoned in sin or in short satan kidnapped our soul.)… probably!

    and would our merciful, wise, good, and just God pay off a ransom to a criminal?……. well, maybe Yes or maybe No!

    Or does Jesus pay this “ransom to God, so you mean God extort the payment of ransoms like a common kidnapper?…..Very unlikely!

    Brother those are I think the dilemma that you and st. paul needs to solve.

    Yes, it is true Christianity of today is too focused on the Death of Jesus on the calvary, rather than what he taught us as a means of salvation which is reasonable, rational
    and logical.

    ————————————————————————–

    Your wrote: Members of the Church of God are wise enough to understand that God is full of compassion and capable of handing forgivenessbut you must consider that there is reason behind why he allowed His Son to die on the cross.

    my response: Ok then brother, kindly tell me the reason why he allowed his Son to die on the cross Let us see whether it is reasonable , logical or not . thank you!

    Your brother in absolute reality,

    william

  29. Let us not rebut here the way we do it in college just to prove a point. In college, we do not care whether we lie making sure that we have a basis of a lie and can present it as the truth. Because after all, it is just a lie used in just a game of debate.

    Let us debate the Christian way, always taking into consideration the soul of those who are listening.

    I John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    Without this attitude of concern, no wonder why atheists speak foolishly, they have nothing to lose. Their beliefs and ideology are strongholds that is easily pulled by the mighty through God!

    II Corinthians 10:2-4
    King James Version

    2 But I beseech you, that I may not be bold when I am present with that confidence, wherewith I think to be bold against some, which think of us as if we walked according to the flesh.

    3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:

    4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strongholds; )

  30. Hey, can we tell William the reason why Jesus died for the Church?

    Matthew 7: 6″Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.

  31. Why was my wordpress blog was used in post #21 as an example of being an “ignorant of his own ignorance”?

    If that is the case, I am now aware that I have been ignorant of somethings.

    I wish to learn. Please enlighten me.

  32. there are things that sometimes we thought is right,
    “There is a way which seemeth right unto a man; But the end thereof are the ways of death.” PROVERBS 14:12
    until we learn the law, we have learned that we have mistakes and we have sinned.
    “And I was alive apart from the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died;” ROMANS 7:9

    i thank GOD for giving the commandments making me realize that i have sinned and have mistakes having me also realize that i am not even worthy of HIS gifts (this life as one).

    but because of HIS love to us, HE gave HIS only begotten SON (JOHN 3:16) (Jesus’ FLESH on the cross for my sin)

    and most of all, I THANK GOD for giving me the opportunity to thank HIM and for helping me understand HIS words. But how did i came to this understanding? HOW?, because there is someone in our times, only SENSIBLE, the WISE that understands, the BLESSED that reads that is sent by GOD.

    “And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.”
    “Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.” DAN. 12:9-10

    “Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.” REV. 1:3

    “And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
    Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer, for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.” LUKE 21:13-15

    and that is BRO. ELI SORIANO who is always fulfilling the duties as a man of GOD. It is not a claim (as what others does) but has already been proven.
    “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” MAT. 28:19-20

    and that is what he does, spreading the words of GOD. and for us who hears him…….
    “He that is of God heareth the words of God: for this cause ye hear them not, because ye are not of God.”
    “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father it is your will to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and standeth not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father thereof.” JOHN 8:47,44

    and why did i say these things? because,
    “He that heareth you heareth me; and he that rejecteth you rejecteth me; and he that rejecteth me rejecteth him that sent me.” LUKE 10:16

  33. Brother,

    Peace!

    You said: That is tantamount of blasphemy! Kilabutan ka naman!

    My response: let hear Jesus and find out if my view is indeed blasphemous, there is no doubt, you believe in st. Paul wholeheartedly who said : “Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood THERE IS NO FORGIVENESS OF SINS” (Heb. 9:22)

    Without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins? Is it true? or is it not?

    Let us hear our lord Jesus let me quote:

    “And that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be preached in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem” (luke 24:47)

    “Be merciful, even as your Father is merciful…….forgive and you will be forgiven (Luke 6:3637)

    “For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; but if you do not forgive men their trespasses neither will your Father forgive your
    trespasses” ( Matthew 6:14-15)

    Here Brother, repentance of sins go together so that one cannot get one without the other. This should be obvious for, until one has repented the sin continues. until one has repented the attitude of sin remains the ruling force in the life of the sinner. Is it not?

    Be merciful and forgive, is the 2nd qualification, he never said not a single word about forgiveness being dependent on the blood of a sacrifice which is the central tenet of christendom.

    What did he say:

    “Go and learn what this means, ” I desire mercy and not sacrifice” for I came not to call the righteous, but sinners.

    It is plain and simple, (rational and reasonable) , our Father in heaven has no interest in sacrifices. If we would have our sins forgiven, if we would that the father have mercy on us we need only have mercy on others. WE WILL RECEIVE AS WE HAVE GIVEN.

    The holy spirit has been sent into the world with the commision to remind us of all that the lord has said, and to teach us, The Holy spirit is to be identified with the the living Word of Truth uttered by the Son of the Father, as we see in my favorite quote

    “It is the SPIRIT that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are SPIRIT and life. ( John 6:53)

    The Holy Spirit has been sent into the world with the commission to remind us of all that the Lord has said, and to teach us. The Holy Spirit is to be identified with the Word, the Living Word of Truth uttered by the Son of the Father, as we see in this utterance:

    Thus, when one on hearing and not believe the words of Jesus, the words that he spoken one has offended the holy spirit. It is the REAL BLASPHEMY, to charge of the holy Spirit
    with lies by refusing to believe that one can be forgiven on the basis of REPENTANCE AND MERCY. And so it is BLASPHEMY to believe that there is no forgiveness without shedding of blood. – THIS IS THE BLASPHEMY AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST.
    ——————————————————————————-

    you wrote: Have you ask God why his Only Begotten Son must die on the cross? Is this such act of God illogical?

    my response: Brother, I am not saying his dying in the cross is an illogical act. Did I? I said there is NO LOGICAL CONNECTION between an innocent man hanging painfully on an old wooden cross.
    ——————————————————————————-

    YOu wrote: You even singled out St. Paul of accusing him that it is only St. Paul’s view that Jesus is a “Paschal Lamb.

    my response: No, i just mentioned his name because he was the one responsible for its dissemination around the world until now. But yes, the “lamb of God” concept is evident
    throughout the new testament EXCEPT IN THE WORD OF JESUS. ( John 1: 29, 36, Rev. 5:6,8,12 and in the epistle of st. Paul) the others appear to assume this identification (Lamb of God) without stating it James, jude, and the lord’s brother are the exceptions. And this writers take their cue from the OT particularly in Isaiah 53:7 let me quote:

    “He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; LIKE A LAMB that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is dumb. So he opened not his mouth”

    So Is Jesus a lamb or not? NO! Our lord Jesus laid down his life not as a lamb, He never called himself a lamb. He is the Good Shepherd who laid his life for the lambs, He died as a good shepherd and certainly did not die as a lamb but only like a lamb.

    So the prophet does not characterize the living Jesus as a lamb but as like a lamb. It is an error in logic to identify Jesus as a lamb by applying this prophecy to him, because the logic present him as not a lamb. Jesus is like a lamb in only one specific way….”HE WENT SILENTLY to HIS death (as a lamb led to the slaughter.). do you follow?

    Jesus advises us :

    ” Be ye skilful money-changers, rejecting some things,
    but retaining what is good” ; Become like the wise money changers, take what is good, cast away what is evil ” Be ye good money-changers, inasmuch as in the Scriptures there are some true saying and some spurious.” (taken from uncanonized christian manuscripts)

    your brother in absolute reality,

    william

  34. Brother,

    Peace!

    YOu said: ” if a person is freed from sin by means of Christ’s sacrifice, is that ugly?”

    my response: Let us hear Jesus for that matter

    Jesus saith: “Even as the son of man came not to be ministered upon, but to minister and to give his life a ransom for many” (Matthew 20:28)

    let us define ransom and sacrifice

    ransom- is paid to a CAPTOR (e.g. kidnaper) in order to release his captives

    sacrifice- is given to God for the forgiveness of sin.

    ransom- is paid by a non-guilty

    sacrifice- is offered by a guilty one (like us -the sinner)

    And so, Jesus did not say He will give his life as a sacrifice for many, He said : He will give his life as a ransom for many, Therefore , it is not possible that Jesus was both sacrifice and a ransom, similarly it is not possible for him as both a shepherd (ransom) and a lamb (sacrifice). Do you follow?

    Is this Ignorance?

    And besides He and His Father said: “I DESIRE MERCY AND NOT SACRIFICE” (OT – Hosea, NT- matthew).

    In conclusion Jesus was not a paschal lamb or a lamb of God . He is not a sacrifice but a ransom. Do you follow?

    ————————————————————————–

    You wrote: I am so sorry to say this but truly, you are ignorant of your own ignorance.

    my response: You mean it is ignorance to believe in Jesus?

    your brother in absolute reality,

    william

  35. Brothers and sisters,

    Peace!

    Just a correction,

    you wrote: Have you ask God why his Only Begotten Son must die on the cross? Is this such act of God illogical?

    my response: Brother, I am not saying his dying in the cross is an illogical act. Did I? I said there is NO LOGICAL CONNECTION between an innocent man hanging painfully on an old wooden cross.

    it should be:

    you wrote: Have you ask God why his Only Begotten Son must die on the cross? Is this such act of God illogical?

    my response: Brother, I am not saying his dying in the cross is an illogical act. Did I? I said there is NO LOGICAL CONNECTION between an innocent man hanging painfully on an old wooden cross and redemptions/eradication of sins.

    Thank you!

    your brother in absolute reality,

    william

  36. To all,

    Peace!

    Let it be known that I am not an anti-christ, yes! call me an anti-paul but not an anti-christ. because just like you all, I do love our lord Jesus christ.

    Thank you! and my apology for all the typographical errors!

    If you dont like me in this forum anymore, Just let me know and I will disappear.

    Again, thank you very much and God bless you all!

    your brother in absolute reality,

    william

  37. TO WILLIAM:

    You said: “Brother, I am not saying his dying in the cross is an illogical act. Did I? I said there is NO LOGICAL CONNECTION between an innocent man hanging painfully on an old wooden cross and redemptions/eradication of sins”.

    YES! YOU DID! Don’t mislead me to what you have said. I know how to discern a certain argument.
    Very emphatic you said that NO LOGICAL CONNECTION. You didn’t say NO CONNECTION but I reiterate NO LOGICAL CONNECTION! The fact that you use the word “LOGICAL” you are pertaining to the logicality of a subject to a certain stimulus. Now, here you come saying that you are not saying his dying on the cross is an illogical act? What’s this! you’re fooling me around? Sorry to say you cannot! Since you are using the word LOGICAL, is there any VALUE of Jesus death on the cross to the redemption/eradication of sin?

  38. TO: William

    You stated:

    my response: Ok then brother, kindly tell me the reason why he allowed his Son to die on the cross Let us see whether it is reasonable , logical or not . thank you!
    ——————————————————————————-

    are you historical blind?

    In the beginning GOD ask Abraham to offer his begotten son to test his faith or to test him if he can follow the no.1 law of old and new testament (even it was not made or beyond his imagination)

    Abraham make it and that’s why GOD also counter the faith of abraham and he offer also his begotten son because of love.

    and whosoever believe and follow the son of GOD then he is also the son of Abraham in faith, and that’s why we are called the “Israelite” or the the “sons of faith”

    And that is the spirit of the new testament which is love.

    And that’s why the product of love is faith, mercy and justice.

    ” I learned whats love about by loving you through the years”

    Believest thou this?

    ————————————————————————–

    You stated:

    Thank you! and my apology for all the typographical errors!

    If you dont like me in this forum anymore, Just let me know and I will disappear.

    Again, thank you very much and God bless you all!

    —————————————————————————

    Please don’t leave this forum because light cannot be appreciated without darkness.

    EYES

    EYES

  39. TO WILLIAM AGAIN

    You said: “Ok then brother, kindly tell me the reason why he allowed his Son to die on the cross Let us see whether it is reasonable , logical or not . thank you!”

    Why are you going to ask us? Ask His Father Himself why He allowed His Son to die on the cross. The burden of looking for an answer to your question is in your shoulder. You don’t even consider all the prophesies written about the death of Jesus Christ on the cross. So, is there any bearing for you if we explain of course in accordance with the bible the reason behind the death of our Lord Jesus Christ on the cross? I don’t think that there is bearing for you explaining it. So, the burden of looking for an answer to your question is in your shoulder. To help you out, ask His Father why there are prophesies about the death of His Son on the cross. Why Jesus fulfills all the prophesies written in Him about His death on the cross? Why He allowed His son to die on the cross? Ask the Father Himself.

  40. TO WILLIAM AGAIN:

    You said: So Is Jesus a lamb or not? NO! Our lord Jesus laid down his life not as a lamb, He never called himself a lamb. He is the Good Shepherd who laid his life for the lambs, He died as a good shepherd and certainly did not die as a lamb but only like a lamb.
    So the prophet does not characterize the living Jesus as a lamb but as like a lamb. It is an error in logic to identify Jesus as a lamb by applying this prophecy to him, because the logic present him as not a lamb. Jesus is like a lamb in only one specific way….”HE WENT SILENTLY to HIS death (as a lamb led to the slaughter.). do you follow?

    If you are saying that Jesus is only like a lamb, can you reconcile this pronouncement of John:
    (John 1:29) “The next day he saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, THE Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world! Using the definite article “THE” is he just like a lamb according to St. John’s pronouncement?

  41. to william,
    Not that we don’t like you in this forum, we do just pity you because the way i understand your situation is like what peter said about others who read paul letters that some were hard to understand that those people like you were twisting the words of God for their own distruction.

    All of us here have do the same beginings like you before we heard bro. Eli. We do have our own views of everything we read from the bible. But the only different from you is that we listened first before anything else because deep in our heart we knew that bro. Eli was telling the truth. We could not argue with what he was saying. All the verses that he uttered were like natural living water from the words of God in the bible. It’s like a chain of connected thoughts from verses to verses. You don’t see this now that’s why this is sad. If you continue in this manner you won’t be able to see the light that we see. I hope that you pause for a little while and reconsider the verses that has been shared by bro. Eli before you proceed. ssD

  42. Brother,

    Peace!

    You wrote: YES! YOU DID! Don’t mislead me to what you have said. I know how to discern a certain argument.

    my response: I did? where? Let me see brother, If there is then, I will humbly apologize for that honest mistake. or perhaps you just misunderstood me!

    I said: “there is NO LOGICAL CONNECTION between an innocent man hanging painfully on an old wooden cross and redemptions/eradication of sins”.

    Here, my point of concern is- there’s no logical connection between his death on the cross as a sacrifice to God (sacrificial lamb/Paschal lamb/Lamb of God) and the
    redemptions/eradications of our sins. Because how can you logically transfer the sin from guilty to the innocent?

    How does it work logically?

    How does killing an innocent man in any way remove, atone for, or transfer our transgressions?

    How does Jesus’ death remove the sin (our sins)?

    Because, the guilty must be punished for his own transgressions( unless of course he repent), or as what ive pointed out in my previous post figuratively that God will not let the “rapist (sinner) back unto the streets”, he will be liable ‘coz there is no such thing as substitution of sins. And therefore it is logical to say that We are liable for what we have done. Are we not?

    —————————————————————————-
    You wrote: Is there any VALUE of Jesus death on the cross to the redemption/eradication of sin?

    my response: YOu mean as a sacrifice on the cross
    for the redemption of sins? There is NO value! because he was not a sacrificial lamb in the first place. He was a good shepherd let us quote from him: ” I am the good shepherd, the good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.” he does not claim to be like a shepherd take note, but “I am the good shepherd” He laid down his life not as a lamb but He is the Good shepherd who laid his life down for the lamb, in short he died as a shepherd and not a lamb, But, if what you mean is that He died as a ransom for the release of the captives.- in that sense Yes there is a value! Do you follow?

    Do you understand now that he was not a sacrifice to God for our sins? but If you still insist that he is indeed the paschal lamb being the sacrifice for our sins because without shedding of blood there is no remission of sins then kindly explain it logically, reasonably, rationaly and biblically (of course in the light of Jesus’ teachings)

    Your brother in absolute reality,

    william

  43. to william:

    we can’t find the right path unless until we eliminate all the wrong ones

    ASK AND YOU SHALL BE ANSWERED

    hehe.. keep it up!

    your devotion to God’s word is inspiring.. but why pick on Paul?!

    🙂

  44. To William,

    YOU SAID: And so, Jesus did not say He will give his life as a sacrifice for many, He said : He will give his life as a ransom for many, Therefore , it is not possible that Jesus was both sacrifice and a ransom, similarly it is not possible for him as both a shepherd (ransom) and a lamb (sacrifice). Do you follow?

    I am sorry to say this but your answers truly prove your ignorance. Can’t Jesus be both sacrifice and ransom? When he gave his life for for us, isn’t that sacrifice? Giving your own life to others is an act of sacrifice. On the other hand, he also served as ransom, why? When he took the punishment which is supposed to be rendered for us, sinners, isn’t that an act of redemption? In exchange, he was the one who suffered instead of us! It is definitely clear that Jesus can be both sacrifice and ransom!

    YOU SAID: similarly it is not possible for him as both a shepherd (ransom) and a lamb (sacrifice).

    Stupid again! Don’t you know that a (director) can also be the (actor) as well? You are totally opposing what is written in the scriptures! Let us see read from the scriptures proofs that you are truly a liar.

    Jesus is the good shepherd:

    John 10:14 “ I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, am an known of mins.”

    Jesus is the lamb of God:

    John 1:29 “ The next day when John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world”

    You are practically being denied by the very words that you say. You are clearly in contradiction to what is written. You truly do not know how to rightly divide the word of truth in the scriptures and you are just a pretender!

    YOU SAID: Is this Ignorance? And besides He and His Father said: “I DESIRE MERCY AND NOT SACRIFICE” (OT – Hosea, NT- matthew).

    Wrong interpretation again! Which sacrifice did the Father and His Son do not want to accept? Are they referring to ALL sacrifices? Can you provide any verse in the Bible that God is pertaining to ALL sacrifices? Let us read:

    Mat. 9:13 “But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance”

    That is very clear. You just do not understand what Christ meant when he said that. He is simply referring to the unwanted sacrifices of hypocrites, like those Pharisees who are against him, who consider themselves righteous in their own understanding but not righteous with God. Even if they offer sacrifices, their sacrifices are abominable to God.

    But is a sinner who repents and after repenting offers a sacrifice of thanksgiving, wouldn’t God be pleased with that? Can we prove that there are sacrifices which are pleasing to God?

    Philippians 4:18: “But I have all and abound, I am full having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a SACRIFICE acceptable, WELLPLEASING to God.

    I suggest that you listen to Bro. Eli and may God have mercy on your soul. Repent from your false belief and believe what is written.

  45. John 1:

    32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. 33I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’

    34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”

    35 The next day John was there again with two of his disciples.

    36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”

    37When the two disciples heard him say this, they followed Jesus.

    38Turning around, Jesus saw them following and asked, “What do you want?”
    They said, “Rabbi” (which means Teacher), “where are you staying?”

    39″Come,” he replied, “and you will see.”
    So they went and saw where he was staying, and spent that day with him. It was about the tenth hour.

    Revelations 7:

    13Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

    14I answered, “Sir, you know.”

    And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made

    them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    15Therefore,
    “they are before the throne of God
    and serve him day and night in his temple;
    and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.
    16Never again will they hunger;
    never again will they thirst.
    The sun will not beat upon them,
    nor any scorching heat.

    17For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd;

    he will lead them to springs of living water.
    And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

    ———————-I can’t see and conflicts here William.

  46. John 1:

    32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. 33I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’

    34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”

    35 The next day John was there again with two of his disciples.

    36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”

    37When the two disciples heard him say this, they followed Jesus.

    38Turning around, Jesus saw them following and asked, “What do you want?”
    They said, “Rabbi” (which means Teacher), “where are you staying?”

    39″Come,” he replied, “and you will see.”
    So they went and saw where he was staying, and spent that day with him. It was about the tenth hour.

    Revelations 7:

    13Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

    14I answered, “Sir, you know.”

    And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made

    them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    15Therefore,
    “they are before the throne of God
    and serve him day and night in his temple;
    and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.
    16Never again will they hunger;
    never again will they thirst.
    The sun will not beat upon them,
    nor any scorching heat.

    17For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd;

    he will lead them to springs of living water.
    And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

    ———————-I can’t see any conflicts here William.

  47. Brother,

    Peace!

    you wrote: your devotion to God’s word is inspiring.. but why pick on Paul?!

    my response: And why not him? He misrepresented our Lord Jesus christ. If Judas Iscariote betrayed our lord in flesh, St. Paul betrayed him in spirit and in truth. He is not part of the 12 and thus he never enter unto the door, and thereby he is a thief and a robber, -he came from nowhere. He called himself an apostle, oh yes he is an apostle as a matter of fact he was mentioned in Rev. 2:2.

    your brother in absolute reality,

    william

  48. just a question to william? what does innocent mean? correct me if i am wrong, isn’t that innocent means that he knows nothing of anything? coz he’s innocent, right?
    well on this premise, as what i have learned from the bible, the one that was being hung on the cross is not innocent for HE knows that HE has to fulfill what HIS FATHER told HIM to do. and as HE being hang is the FATHER’s love to human (including you and me) and it is logical and just.
    for people think that it is illogical only proves GOD’s greatness..
    “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.”
    “For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.” ISAIAH 55:8-9

    and if someone says that there is no GOD…….
    “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.” PSALMS 14:1
    the bible considered him a fool.

    and where did you get such idea? those things that you are saying, is it acquired or just being taught to you?
    anyway, i don’t wonder for people nowadays (specially those who have no GOD in them) proves that we are really on the last days….
    “But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty”
    ” For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,”
    “heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good,”
    “treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,”
    “having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.” II TIMOTHY 3:1-5

    and the pride of one man will be his downfall.

  49. TO WILLIAM:

    PLS. DON’T LEAVE THIS FORUM WE JUST WANT YOU TO BE ENLIGHTEN, TO KNOW THE TRUTH BECAUSE WE ARE ONCE LIKE YOU BEFORE.WE LOVE YOU

    ISAIAH 29:24 “THEY ALSO THAT ERRED IN SPIRIT SHALL COME TO UNDERSTANDING, AND THEY THAT MURMURED SHALL LEARN DOCTRINE.

  50. TO: William

    You wrote:

    Do you understand now that he was not a sacrifice to God for our sins? but If you still insist that he is indeed the paschal lamb being the sacrifice for our sins because without shedding of blood there is no remission of sins then kindly explain it logically, reasonably, rationaly and biblically (of course in the light of Jesus’ teachings)

    ——————————————————————————

    are you historical blind again?

    What’s the purpose during the time of old testament that they are offering a lamb?

    — It is an act of MEDIATING or MEADIATOR to communicate GOD when you are asking him like remission of sins asking to move mountains and others.

    Just to think if we continue the practices of old testament then all of our animal on earth will extinct.

    So Jesus Christ now is our mediator.

    It all started during face to face talk between GOD and Abraham in an act of offering when GOD counter the faith of Abraham by love.

    It also end between face to face talk between Jesus and you in act of baptism by offering yourself that you will promise to do his love covenant and Jesus will do the rest including your salvation.

    believest thou this?

    EYES

  51. Brothers,

    Peace!

    You wrote: I am sorry to say this but your answers truly prove your ignorance. Can’t Jesus be both sacrifice and ransom? When he gave his life for for us, isn’t that sacrifice? Giving your own life to others is an act of sacrifice. On the other hand, he also served as ransom, why? When he took
    the punishment which is supposed to be rendered for us,
    sinners, isn’t that an act of redemption?

    my response: Brother you misunderstood me!, We are talking here of a sacrificial lamb offering to God and Ransom paid to God, Jesus cannot be both a sacrifice and a ransom at the same time. Why? if Jesus identified his death by crucifixion as a ransom how can it possibly be a sacrifice?

    …the offender offers a sacrifice while the offended one offers a ransom

    …One offers a sacrifie to the offended one while one offers a ransom to the offender

    …one offers a sacrifice for the release of the guilty one while one offers a ransom to secure the release of the innocent one.

    Or on summation: the evil one offers a sacrifice to the righteous one to deliver the guilty one but the righteous one offers a ransom to the evil one to deliver the innocent one.

    Is it clear or is it not?

    Therefore, It is indeed true that Sacrifice and ransom are contradictory. Is it not? But yes, both include offering (your viewpoint)but there the similarity stops, but that is not my point of concern.

    Our lord Jesus christ consider his crucifixion as a ransom and to think of it as both is to be irrational, it’s like saying cold as hot or up as down. do you follow?

    ——————————————————————————-

    you wrote: Stupid again! Don’t you know that a (director) can also be the (actor) as well?You are totally opposing what is written in the scriptures! Let us see read from the scriptures proofs that you are truly a liar.Jesus is thegoodshepherd:John 10:14 “ I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, am an known of mins.”Jesus is the lamb of God:John 1:29 “ The next day when John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world”You are practically being denied by the very words that you say. You are clearly in contradiction to what is written.

    my response: brother let us see your if it is indeed stupid, or you are just ignorant of your own ignorance. Yes indeed Jesus is the Good shepherd NO doubt! But Jesus as a lamb? doubtful!

    It is a common knowledge that those writers (who said that He was a lamb of God) take their cue from the OT particularly in Isaiah 53:7 let me quote again

    “He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; LIKE ALAMB that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is dumb. So he opened not his mouth”

    But look?

    the prophet does not characterize the living Jesus as a lamb but as like a lamb. It is an error in logic to identify Jesus as a lamb by applying this prophecy to him, because the logic present him as not a lamb. Jesus is like a lamb in only one specificway….”HE WENT SILENTLY to HIS death (as a lamb led to the slaughter.). do you understand?

    An analogy: “Like bro. eli , tony is not ignorant of his own ignorance,- this is a sensible statement, if we understand that tony is not bro. eli. but is only comparable to bro. eli in some way. If tony is bro. eli, the statement will become non-sense. Right? Do you follow?

    and thus if prophet Isaiah meant to identify Jesus as a lamb
    (as the writers proclaimed in the gospels) He should have said that HE WAS A LAMB,but no, only as like a lamb. Are you still with me?

    So how can we solve this dilemma? Well, It is a proven fact the the prophecy of Isaiah has been fulfilled that Jesus indeed was oppressed, afflicted, and opened not his mouth, he went silently to his death (as a lamb let to slaughter), so it’s up to you to decide which is spurious and otherwise
    Perhaps the writers in way misunderstood Prophet Isaiah? but very unlikely!, do you agree? Oh wait a minute,
    your forefathers ( Paulinist) owed the bible for so long right? meaning they can do whatever they want, they have a lot of ink so to speak.

    But one thing is very clear Jesus is not a lamb. He is
    the good shepherd.

    ——————————————————————————-

    You wrote: I am sorry to say this but your answers truly prove your ignorance

    My response: Yes, I am an ignorant man in the eyes of the lord. But those suppose to be wise men in this forum cannot even give the ignorant man a plausable, sensible argument particularly on the issues of st. paul. Those suppose to be wise men are unable to distinguish between an original and a counterfeit, spurious and otherwise. They can’t even hinted the sublime teachings of Jesus in the parables most especially- the FAMOUS PARABLE -” PARABLE OF THE PRODIGAL SON” that shows our Father’s way of love, mercy and salvation in action. Those suppose to be wise men cannot even create a convincing arguments in defense of St. Paul and by doing so, they are all becoming a disgrace to HIM. You see, Paul of tarsus was remarkable man, a great theologian. But Yes, two of your kind tried to defend him but as they continue their arguments, st. paul’ flaws flows like living the water in the river, and nothing they can do to stop it.

    And Ironically those people who labelled me as ignorant were unable to defend St paul when I accused him of tampering the writings of the prophets, disobeying our lord Jesus Christ
    and debasing the apostles.

    Even a simple contradiction like the one below, they just keep
    quiet.

    Paul : “Before God, I do not lie,” (Galatians 1:20)

    Jesus christ: “Paul, Do not swear at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God . . . Let what you say be simply yes or no; anything more than thiscomes from evil “(Matthew 5:34-37)

    (Here, even an attentive mongoloid can understand that St. Paul disobeyed our lord Jesus christ)

    Paul: “Indeed I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing
    Christ Jesus my lord (Philippians 3:8).

    (He referred to our lord Jesus christ as “Lord” or “OUr Lord” not once but many times almost too many times to count.)

    And Jesus answered him:

    Jesus christ: Paul, Why do you call me “Lord, LOrd,” and not do what I tell you (luke 6:46)? If you love me, you will keep my “commandments” (John 14:15)! and you didnt! YOu nullified my precious commandments (or in other words the commandments of God!)

    (for him Jesus was Lord in name ONLY. He was in fact Disobedient, therefore Jesus
    was not his LOrd!)

    And so…..

    …….. the more you call me ignorant…..the more you become stupid in the eyes of the observers.

    your brother in absolute reality,

    william

  52. Brothers,

    Peace!

    YOU wrote: Which sacrifice did the Father and His Son do not want to accept? Are they referring to ALL sacrifices? Can you provide any verse in the Bible that God is pertaining to ALL sacrifices? YOU wrote: What’s the purpose during the time of old testament that they are offering a lamb?– It is an act of MEDIATING or MEADIATOR to communicate GOD when you are asking him like remission of sins asking to move mountains
    and others.Just to think if we continue the practices of old testament then all of our animal on earth will extinct.

    my response: Yes, it is true Moses especially in Leviticus presents God as commanding Israel to make many different sacrifices. But did not God therefore desire of Israel that they offer sacrifices? not if one can believe the testimony of
    Jeremiah let me quote:

    ” for in the day that i brought them out on the land of
    Egypt. I DID NOT SPEAK TO YOUR FATHERS OF COMMAND THEM CONCERNING BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES. but this comand i gave them, “Obey my voice and i will be your God
    and you will be my people and i will be your God and You shalll be my people and walk in all the way that i command you that it may be well with you.” (Jer 7:22-23),

    Brother, this surely refers to the words spoken to Moses by the lord “On the third new moon after the people of israel had gone forth out of the land of Egypt for on that day they
    came into the wilderness of sinai (Exodus 19:1)

    So did God command the people to offer sacrifices when he brought them out of the Land of Egypt or did he not as he stated through Jeremiah? Well, we can reconcile this seemingly contradictory statement if we refer to the words of our lord Jesus Christ concerning another commandments that God supposedly delivered to the people thru Moses.

    In matthew 19: 8 we read: let me quote:

    He said to them, “FOR YOUR HARDNESS OF HEART MOSES ALLOWED YOU TO DIVORCE YOUR WIVES ,
    BUT FROM THE BEGINNING IT WAS NOT SO”

    Here we have the clear case of Moses issuing a permit for divorce as though it were commandment of God, but our lord Jesus christ has the explanation. It was only because of the hardness of their heart that moses issued this permission. It was never the will of the Father, which is true from the beginning. And thus the commandment to offer sacrifice was given under a similar permission. It was not desired from the beginning but moses allowed them to offer many sacrifices
    because of the hardness of their hearts. It was a practice of the israelites and they were not inclined to discontinue such a time honored custom.

    And to prove that Bloody Sacrifices and offerings are not preferable in the eyes of God let us quote from the OT

    “To do righteousnes and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.” (proverb 21:3)

    And Samuel said: ” Has the lord as great delight in burnth offering and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams” ( 1 samuel 15:22)

    See?

    and by the way before i forget with regards to bloody sacrifice What do you think oF God? A vampire that he must be sated with blood?

    Is God a leach or a tic or a mosquito that that his is an appetite for blood?

    —————————————————————————

    YOu wrote: Wrong interpretation again! topic: “I DESIRE MERCY AND NOT SACRIFICE” (OT – Hosea, NT- matthew).

    my response: ok listen, Jesus said in matthew 9:13 ” Go and learn what this means ” I desire mercy and not sacrifice” for i came not call the righteous but the sinners” here he was adressing his enemies the pharisees who were expert in prophetic texts and would have known exactly where Jesus found this : the Prophet HOsea 6:6.Jesus was telling them to Hosea to learn what it means.

    So reading Prophet Hosea we learn the prophet is often involved in rebuking both Judah and Israel due to their idolatry and iniquity, then we come to this in Hosea 8:13
    we read let me quote: “They love sacrifice they sacrifice flesh and eat it; BUT THE LORD HAS NO DELIGHT IN THEM. Now he will remember their iniquity and punish their sins; they shall return to Egypt.” So what does God desire if not sacrifices?
    Jesus said it, ” I desire mercy ” And it was well expounded by the prophets let me quote:

    “Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passesth by the transgressionof the remnant of his heritage? He RETAINETH not his anger for ever, because HE
    DELIGHTETH IN MERCY” ( micah 7:18)

    “Nevertheless, He being full of compassion forgave their iniquity and destroyed them not, yea many a time turned his anger away and did not stir up all his wrath. For he remembered that they were but flesh, a wind that passeth away, cometh not again” (Psalm 78:38-39).

    “It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their
    iniquity and their sin” (Jeremiah 36:3)

    “Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteousness man his thought: and Let him return unto the Lord and he will have MERCY upon him and to our God for he will
    ABUNDANTLY PARDON” (Isaiah 55:7)

    ” I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and though forgavest the iniquity of my sin.
    Selah” (Psalm 32:5)

    “By mercy and truth uniquity is parged……..” (Proverb 16:6)

    And now, NOw let us hear the Good news of our lord Jesus Christ if it contradicts them Jesus says:” Go and learn what this means, ” I desire mercy and not sacrifice. For I came not to call the righteous but sinners”( Matthew 9:13)

    ” And if you had known what this means, ” I desire mercy and not sacrifce, YOU WOULD NOT HAVE TO CONDEMNED THE GUILTLESS” (matthew 12: 7).

    And sadly until now you dont know what it means!

    so brother, why are you so deaf in the words of Jesus? well
    Jesus has something for you in John 8:43;47 read it!

    —————————————————————————-

    You wrote: just a question to william? what does innocent mean? correct me if i am wrong, isn’t that innocent means that he knows nothing of anything? coz he’s innocent, right?

    my response: Yes, that is correct! But in the previous posted articles Jesus is innocent in the sense He is without sin, …that Nothing wrong was commited by him. He’s not guilty of anything of whatsoever. And we are the sinners, we are not innocent and we are liable for our own sins.

    “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father,neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.” (Ezekiel 18:20).

    “Whoso diggeth a pit shall fall therein; And he that rolleth a stone, It shall return upon him (Proverbs 26:27)

    your brother in absolute reality,

    william

  53. Revelations 7:

    13Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

    14I answered, “Sir, you know.”

    And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made

    them white in the blood of the Lamb.

    15Therefore,
    “they are before the throne of God
    and serve him day and night in his temple;
    and he who sits on the throne will spread his tent over them.
    16Never again will they hunger;
    never again will they thirst.
    The sun will not beat upon them,
    nor any scorching heat.

    17For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their shepherd;

    he will lead them to springs of living water.
    And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

    ———————-I can’t see any conflicts here William. You said that Jesus Christ is not a lamb?

    John 1:

    32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a dove and remain on him. 33I would not have known him, except that the one who sent me to baptize with water told me, ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is he who will baptize with the Holy Spirit.’

    34 I have seen and I testify that this is the Son of God.”

    35 The next day John was there again with two of his disciples.

    36 When he saw Jesus passing by, he said, “Look, the Lamb of God!”

    37When the two disciples heard him say this, they followed Jesus.

    38Turning around, Jesus saw them following and asked, “What do you want?”
    They said, “Rabbi” (which means Teacher), “where are you staying?”

    39″Come,” he replied, “and you will see.”
    So they went and saw where he was staying, and spent that day with him. It was about the tenth hour.

  54. Brother,

    Peace!

    YOu wrote: Mt:20:26: But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
    in short who among them labor most for the ministry?

    my response: Brother, the real apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ were not lazy nor misguided as claimed by the self-proclaimed apostle- Paul of tarsus. They walked uprightly in the light of Jesus’ Gospel and they did their job very well. As a matter of scriptures, Jesus told them: let me quote:

    ” I know thy works and thy labor and thy patience and how thou canst not bear them, which are evil; and thou hast tried them which say they are apostles and are not, and hast found them liars.”

    your brother in absolute reality,

    william

  55. TO WILLIAM:
    YOU SAID :IT WAS NEVER THE WILL OF THE FATHER, WHICH IS TRUE FROM THE BEGINNING AND THUS THE COMMANDMENT TO OFFER SACRIFICE WAS GIVEN UNDER A SIMILAR PERMISSION.IT WAS NOT DESIRED FROM THE BEGINNING BUT MOSES ALLOWED THEM TO OFFER MANY SACRIFICES BECAUSE OF THE HARDNESS OF THEIR HEARTS.

    HOW DARE YOU TO CONCLUDE THAT!!!
    DID YOU SEE THE HEARTS OF JOSHUA?

  56. To William,

    YOU SAID: my response: brother let us see your if it is indeed stupid, or you are just ignorant of your own ignorance. Yes indeed Jesus is the Good shepherd NO doubt! But Jesus as a lamb? doubtful! It is a common knowledge that those writers (who said that He was a lamb of God) take their cue from the OT particularly in Isaiah 53:7 let me quote again “He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; LIKE ALAMB that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is dumb. So he opened not his mouth”

    But look? the prophet does not characterize the living Jesus as a lamb but as like a lamb. It is an error in logic to identify Jesus as a lamb by applying this prophecy to him, because the logic present him as not a lamb.

    ———————

    I am sorry to tell you this but it clearly shows that you truly pervert what is written, an enemy of the truth, an opposition to the Gospel of Christ, and even a messenger of Satan ..

    You keep on telling that Christ is not a lamb whereby so many writers in the Bible confirm that Christ is a lamb!

    John the Baptist, who is undoubtedly an authority, said:

    John 1:29 “ The next day when John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world”

    If Christ is not the Lamb of God as you claim, do you mean to say that John is a liar? Or is it the other way around? Who are you to oppose John the Baptist and even the Apostle John who wrote that book!

    You know what? Your stupid statements clearly shows your ignorance just like what our Lord Jesus Christ said:

    Matthew 22:29 “ Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God”

    ———————

    On the other hand, you also stated – “It is an error in logic to identify Jesus as a lamb by applying this prophecy (Isaiah 53:7) to him”

    Let us read the explanation of another authority in the scriptures if to whom that prophecy of Isaiah truly pertains to.

    Acts 8:30-32 “And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Isaiah, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. The place of the Scripture which he read was this, “He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth:”

    Acts 8:34-35 “And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same Scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.”

    To whom was the prophecy fulfilled? It was fulfilled in Jesus Christ!!! The prophets and the apostles are clearly speaking of the same thing about Christ being the Lamb! Moreover, when Philip explained to the Eunuch that the prophecy was pertaining to Jesus, Paul wasn’t yet even a member of the church during that time!

    Without any shadow of a doubt, I’d better believe the true prophets and the real apostles of Christ rather than your stupid hallucinations! I suggest that you read the verses carefully, think for a while and may God open your puny little mind for understanding.

    Be aware that you are practically going against, not only with Paul, but with all other prophets and messengers sent by God! And that will make you an enemy of Christ …

    Will you not cease in perverting the Gospel of the Lord?

  57. To William,

    You said you are anti-Paul’ and what paul taught was from GOD in CHRIST, 1 Corinthians 1:1,2 and in Acts 9; He taught that to regard what he is writting are from the Lord and his teaching according to apostle Peter that; “the prophecy did not came by the will of man but men spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit”.

    ‘How in the The Bible shall you say you are against paul? Are the will of CHRIST called paul to be an apostle, against your will or your wits?’

    William, you can never learn, unless you are more william(willing) to unlearn and relearn what CHRIST’s teaching is all about and what His apostle’s spake of Him and the gospel.

    You say;”I love Christ”, how then than you aren’t aware of the teachings and it made say you are against Paul?

    Did you read what CHRIST said in Matthew 28:19-20?

    You are completely misled and that nothing of among these 38,000 denominations are of Biblical Standing!

    Jeremaih 30,19-20; 1 Timothy 3:15; Daniel 12:9-10; Luke 21:15; Romans 10:14; 2 Timothy 2:15; Isaiah 34:16; Revelation 1:3

    And please, William read Proverbs 3:5!

    More Power to you brother Eli

    GOD Bless in CHRIST

  58. TO WILLIAM :

    YOUR ACCUSING ST. PAUL AS LIAR BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU CALLED A CONTRADICTION IT JUST BECAUSE YOU DON’T KNOW WHERE TO FIND THE ANSWERS.

    WE’RE SORRY FOR YOU, YOU REALLY IGNORANT OF YOUR OWN IGNORANCE.

    YOU CALLED ST.PAUL AS A LIAR BECAUSE HE SAID “WHAT THEN? ARE WE JEWS ANY BETTER OFF? NO, NOT AT ALL; FOR I HAVE ALREADY CHARGED THAT ALL MEN,BOTH JEWS AND GREEKS, ARE UNDER THE POWER OF SIN, AS IT IS WRITTEN:”NONE IS RIGHTEOUS NO NOT ONE: FOR THERE IS NO DISTINCTION;SINCE ALL HAVE SINNED AND FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD”

    AND YOU SAID:”HE SAID IT IS WRITTEN BUT WHERE?

    YOU SEE HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE!!!

    IT IS IN THE BIBLE!!! YOU FOOL!!YOU JUST DON’T KNOW WHERE TO FIND IT!!

    SEEK AND YOU WILL FIND!!(IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW THE TRUTH)

    IN A DEBATE YOU WILL ATE ALL THAT WHAT YOU SAID “CONTRADICTION”.

    NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY ST. PETER SAID

    2 PETER 3:15″AND ACCOUNT THAT THE LONG SUFFERING OF OUR LORD IS SALVATION; EVEN AS OUR BELOVED BROTHER PAUL ALSO ACCORDING TO THE WISDOM GIVEN UNTO HIM HATH WRITTEN UNTO YOU;

    2PETER 3:16″AS ALSO IN ALL HIS EPISTLES, SPEAKING IN THEM OF THESE THINGS; IN WHICH ARE SOMETHINGS HARD TO BE UNDERSTOOD, WHICH THEY THAT UNLEARNED AND UNSTABLE WREST, AS THEY DO ALSO THE OTHER SCRIPTURES, UNTO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION.”

    I REMEMBER JOB’S FRIEND IN YOU

    REMEMBER ELIPHAZ?
    REMEMBER BILDAD?
    REMEMBER ZOPHAR?
    (KINDLY READ WHATEVER THEY SAID ABOUT GOD )

    ALL THEY SAID ABOUT GOD IS THE SAME AS WHAT YOU SAID.

    AND FOR SURE YOU KNOW WHAT GOD SAID TO THEM,

    JOB 42:7″AND IT WAS SO, THAT AFTER THE LORD HAD SPOKEN THESE WORDS UNTO JOB, THE LORD SAID TO ELIPHAZ THE TEMANITE, MY WRATH IS KINDLED AGAINST THEE, AND AGAINST THY TWO FRIENDS: FOR YE HAVE NOT SPOKEN OF ME THE THING THAT IS RIGHT, AS MY SERVANT JOB HATH.

    AMEN.

  59. One thing I can tell you, William, is this:

    When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging! You have been proven wrong too many times by other posters in this blog, especially Brother Eli. If you cannot accept that you mistakenly interpreted and do not have the capacity to understand the writings of Saint Paul, then too bad. You will never understand the law of faith that will make every Christian worthy of God’s salvation.

    Keep wishing you know the truth, that’s all you can do for now. Only God can enlighten you with His Spirit so start seeking His truth while you still have the strenght and opportunity. You are very fortunate to have been answered by the most sensible Preacher in our epoch so don’t waste the opportunity to learn God’s wisdom.

    May God enlighten your heart and mind so you will be able to accept His truth and wisdom.

  60. dear william,

    how can you say that Paul is not a true apostle of Christ?

    when in fact Peter mentioned him as example for all the churches.. (2 Peter 3:15-16)

    and Peter also testified to Paul’s wisdom, saying

    16: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood,

    if Peter finds Paul’s writing hard to understand, who are you to say that you get it completely?

    you know what? verse 16 describes you perfectly..

    16: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

    please think carefully when and where you draw the line between “searching for truth” and “proving YOUR truth”..

  61. Philippians 2:

    11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    –Why would then in chapter 11, Paul says, “… to the glory of God the Father”?

    –He could have said for the glory of God only. This is because he was talking of two Gods, Jesus Christ and and the Father.

    –Paul qualified and made a distinction using the phrase : “God the Father” to avoid confusion.

    –Let us read the concerned verse:

    Philippians 2:

    5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

    7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

    8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

    10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

    11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    –As what can be read, God exalted another God right?
    The God that was exalted was given a name, that is, Jesus. The one that was exalted was given a name which the end result is to the glory of another God which is the God the Father.

    –You know, when people are decieved and blinded, like that of a drunk driver who was asked to walk on the straight line by a policeman, no matter how straight the line is and how much he tries, he will surely be unable to have his balance and will walk either to the left or to the right or dropped off even before he can walk.

    I hope they put away drunkenness before they start to walk on the straight line.

  62. Isaiah 14

    12 How you have fallen from heaven,
    O morning star, son of the dawn!
    You have been cast down to the earth,
    you who once laid low the nations!

    13 You said in your heart,
    “I will ascend to heaven;
    I will raise my throne
    above the stars of God;
    I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
    on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. [c]

    14 I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
    I will make myself like the Most High.”

    15 But you are brought down to the grave,
    to the depths of the pit.

    -Why is that you accept lucifer as an angel that wants to make himself like the Most High?

    -But you do not want to accept Jesus as God that thought it not robbery to be equal with God but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men?

    Philippians 2:

    5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

    6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

    7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

    8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

    9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

    10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

    11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    –Why would then in chapter 11, Paul says, “… to the glory of God the Father”?

    –He could have said for the glory of God only. This is because he was talking of two Gods, Jesus Christ and and the Father.

    –Paul qualified and made a distinction using the phrase : “God the Father” to avoid confusion.

    –As what can be read, God exalted another God right?
    The God that was exalted was given a name, that is, Jesus. The one that was exalted was given a name which the end result is to the glory of another God which is the God the Father.

    –You know, when people are decieved and blinded, like that of a drunk driver who was asked to walk on the straight line by a policeman, no matter how straight the line is and how much he tries, he will surely be unable to have his balance and will walk either to the left or to the right or dropped off even before he can walk.

    -I hope they put away drunkenness before they start to walk on the straight line.

  63. FYI

    I think, COMMENT #21 seems to be an automated comment posting response by wordpress whenever someone blogs about same subject and have linked the concerned blog it.

    For example, the comment brought about by the autamated comment # 21 was due to my own post entitled,

    http://elmantheman.wordpress.com/2007/06/21/know-thy-god/

    and I linked this post of Bro Eli entitled, “ignorant of his own ignorance.”

    I apologise if I caused some confusion.

    Salamat po sa Dios. All thank to God!

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  65. How I wish I had come earlier into this blog. GOD truly is WISE AND ALL-KNOWING in gifting Bro Eli with the wisdom to understand the bible and the WORDS of GOD. Bro Eli you have discussed the issue satisfactorily, correctly and biblically. Initially I was disgusted with the way william was trying to manipulate the verses he mentioned in his favor, disregarding the preceeding and following lines of the verses to muddle the issue and claim some contradictions in the bible. Of course if he will not do that there is no reason for him to go further to impress the other readers that he also know some verses [twisting them actually is the right word]. In totality, in his ending commentary, I felt some kind of pity and symphaty, when he bid goodbye with a closing phrase that he also is for ‘absolute reality’ which I hope I am right to say that he also hunger for TRUTH. Addressing Bro Eli as a brother is an encouraging indication that he will go on interacting with Bro Eli. I could see a sign of hope that like the many members of the true church, the CHURCH OF GOD International, [many of them coming from differrent religions that blinded them] william might still have the fortune of seeing that ABSOLUTE REALITY and TRUTH from the teachings of Bro Eli, the vocal, straightforward, and biblical, most sensible Preacher in our generation. THANK YOU LORD GOD, WE HONOR YOU AND WORSHIP YOU.

  66. Anti-Paul means anti-Christ.

    He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
    Luke 10:16
    King James Version

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