The Harmonious Relationship of Master and Servant


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To my readers,

I am now sure that these people really can not be considered as humans, but ‘imaginary’! Even their imagination does not work well for them. They say that God is a “huge proponent of slavery” in the Bible, and cited verses, particularly, Exodus 21:20-21; Colossians 3:22-24; Ephesians 6:5; 1 Peter 2:18. A quick look at these verses will disclose that these imaginary people are fools; and only fools like them will believe them. Let us examine these verses thoroughly.

(Exodus 21:20-21) “And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money. If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.”

The verses speak of punishment for a master that abuses his servant or his maid. And notice that this is on verse 20 of chapter 21, meaning, that these imaginary people have read first verse 2 before arriving at verse 20. On verse 2 of the same chapter, it says:

(Exodus 21:2-3) “If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him.”

God speaks of the liberation of slaves after a certain period of service to someone who bought him to be his slave. Is God a proponent of slavery? Definitely not! God wants slaves to be liberated. We must remember that God liberated His people, Israel, who were made slaves by the ungodly pharaohs of Egypt; But because He is a God of justice, to those who practice slavery, or who hire servants, God teaches them to deal with their servants properly, and liberate them afterwards. To show impartiality, God equally teaches servants to serve their masters or lords in the flesh faithfully.

(Colossians 3:22-24) “Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God: And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance; for ye serve the Lord Christ.”

(Ephesians 6:5) “Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ…”

(1 Peter 2:18) “Servants, be subject to your masters with all fear; not only to the good and gentle, but also to the froward.”

These verses that these imaginary people use to malign God do not prove their case, but works against them, in favor of God, because this shows how equitable God’s laws are!

Slavery, for people who lack understanding is a sour word, or maybe bitter, but if we are going to open our eyes and see in a broader perspective the realities in life, until now in our modern society, the essence of slavery is practiced everywhere and, practically, of most, if not all, people. A slave is defined in the Encarta dictionary as:

slave [slayv]

noun (plural slaves)

1. somebody forced to work for another: somebody who is forced to work for somebody else for no payment and is regarded as the property of that person

2. dominated person: somebody who is dominated by somebody or by something

3. somebody accepting another’s rule: somebody who meekly accepts being ruled by somebody else

4. very hard worker: somebody who works hard, in bad conditions, and for low pay

5. device controlled by another: an electronic or mechanical device that is controlled by another (often used before a noun)

An employee or a helper is practically a slave of his employer. Somebody working under the domination or rule of another is a slave according to the dictionary. Do we have to blame God for these harmonious relationships in society between an entrepreneur and his helpers? Anybody against this reality is stupid! Not all people on earth can be ‘bosses’. Not everybody can be a leader, a king, or a president! A king has his subjects. A leader has followers. A manager has his assistance, and so on. Whether they accept it or not, some people are of lesser capacity and intelligence than others. This is scientific and reality.

(Matthew 25:15) “And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.”

A God who understands our being and compassionate in dealing with our infirmities guides us to the proper place in society where we can be most useful to Him thru the services we can render to people.

(Psalms 103:13-14) “Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him. For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.”

God knows our frame, our being, our intelligence, and our capabilities. If He admonishes us to be faithful servants to our masters in the flesh, He does not encourage or is He a proponent of slavery, but He is teaching us to be most useful in a position wherein we are fit to be. It will be unfair for God to ask us to be a manager while He knows that we are not in a capacity to be so. Reality and prudence dictates that not all can be a manager!

Looking unto God and His perspectives with a prudent and understanding mind magnifies His majesty; but to those who are perverts, unbelieving, and with polluted minds, what is good appears to be bad, and the truth as a lie, and lies as their norms.

(Isaiah 5:20-21) “Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!”

Thank You and God Bless!

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48 thoughts on “The Harmonious Relationship of Master and Servant

  1. Kulang na kulang po ang mga verses na tinalakay nyo.

    para lang po sa mga slave na Jewish and 6 na taon na termino. basahin po ninyo ang marami pang commands na nagsusuporta sa SLAVERY… pati na SEX SLAVERY.

    you can buy children as slaves… or sell YOUR OWN DAUGHTER as sex slaves. please guys, think for yourselves critically.

    http://www.religioustolerance.org/sla_bibl1.htm

    http://www.evilbible.com/Slavery.htm

    THE OT ENCOURAGES SLAVERY and THE NT SUPPORTS IT.

  2. As we all know these “Perverts” will never stop preverting the grace of GOD in CHRIST into a pure undefiled LIES! These perverters are sure to “Enslave” anyone, who are not aware of the truth, to be under the “trash” imagination of pervertion. Did GOD made you to be slave of your perverted imagination? Is it not that this are your,Perverts, choice?
    These are sick people with sick mind to its fullest, the sickest ever,twice the son of hell,twice dead,uprooted,are subject to damnation before the world began.
    Are these the kind of people that should teach our society,our world,your children into a complete slavery of LIES and Deception of pure perversed doctrine of devilish,satanic,full of venom knowledge? this people are a hell of trash! your sick minds are your judge and your children shun you to right sense of reason!
    “Woe unto them………..”

    More Power and GOD Bless in CHRIST!

    Thank GOD we have a brother Eli, a preacher, a certified word for word and scripture for scripture sent to make sense the wisdom of GOD in CHRIST to Light!

  3. in my opinion, atheists really has a very BLURRED perception of reality. they have misled people by inculcating in them a very INEXACT idea about EQUITY. they are very much CONFUSED about the FULL meaning of the term BALANCE. the premises they use in their argument is TOO SUPERFICIAL to withstand the analytical scrutiny of FINE intellect. atheists read this! I FEEL DEGRADED AS A HUMAN BEING WITH ME KNOWING THAT YOU PEOPLE EXIST. TO THINK LIKE AN ATHEIST IS TO THINK LIKE A TWO YEARS OLD TODDLER. YOU PEOPLE ARE NOT WORTH LISTENING TO BECAUSE THE ALLEGEDLY “SCHOLARLY” IDEAS YOU HAVE IS VERY MUCH TO BE ETYMOLOGICALLY CONSIDERED AS A GARBAGE!

  4. If you hate someone, your mind will be conditioned to see bad things about that person… even if it is not the reality.

    In the case of these Atheists, they only see contradictions and does not want to understand the ways of God.

    hmm… it’s funny, they hate something that they don’t believe to exist.

  5. Talaga pong kulang yan at sinadya po talagang kulangin yan, talagang kinulang yan para sa katulad mo po. Para lumabas ka, para din sa katulad mo. kasi nga po para din sayo yan, para lumabas yung mga bulaang mangangaral na tinutukoy mo sa website na ipinakikita mo. para din po sa mga naligaw. Katulad mo, diba naligaw ka nila sa mga turo nila. Huwag ka naman sana pong magagalit kung nagsasabi lang po ako ng tutuo, kasi nga po bulag kasi yung nagsasalita sa website na yon ehh, at isa ka na din na naturuan ng bulag dun sa mangangaral na bulag. para lumabas ka at yung mga bulaang mangangaral na katulad ng website mo po. Kasi nga po hindi makikita yung tama kung hindi makikita yung mali na tulad ng mga tinuturo po dun sa link na ibinigay mo po. Ngayon kapag hindi mo po sinuri ng maigi ang mga turo nila at ang turo ni Bro Eli ay dito ka mahuhulog.

    Mat 15:14
    (14) Pabayaan ninyo sila: sila’y mga bulag na tagaakay. At kung ang bulag ay umakay sa bulag, ay kapuwa sila mangahuhulog sa hukay.

    Magsuri ka po sana. Yung gumawa ng website na yon kahit na dalawampu pa ang mata nyon, lahat bulag. Ayoko lang sanang magsalita ng tanga ehh, pero hindi ko na sasabihin. kaya bulag na lang.

  6. Correction lang po kay bro chapzer – we atheists are not angry at God (you are right, we don’t believe him to exist), and if we are angry at anything, we are often angry at the excesses believers go through because of their belief in God.

    We are people just like you – we only believe in one less God than you do.

  7. So christian-like of you people to judge the atheists. Christ himself came to earth to be with sinners. Should you turn these people away simply because you do not like them? Are you like those people who avoided the lepers, afraid of the disease? Are you afraid that your faith can not stand in the way of these questions and you have to avoid them. Yet it was Jesus who healed these lepers. It was Jesus who answered the questions of the crowd.

    What does that say about you?

  8. Samuel, if it is lacking, then you must know the complete? right? then prove it not by ranting but just prove your point by verses. not by websites who have just told you what to believe.

  9. John Doe says: So christian-like of you people to judge the atheists. Christ himself came to earth to be with sinners. Should you turn these people away simply because you do not like them? Are you like those people who avoided the lepers, afraid of the disease? Are you afraid that your faith can not stand in the way of these questions and you have to avoid them. Yet it was Jesus who healed these lepers. It was Jesus who answered the questions of the crowd.

    First line. Full of mistake.

    First you don’t believe the Bible as you atheist says. Then you use the Bible for your answer. In the court, you can never use an evidence which you first disagreed upon. And by the way its not the christians who judge you in the first place. It’s the Bible.

    “The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. ”

    The Bible says that atheist are fools and nothing but fools. corrupt. none that doeth good. and that is John Doe. Sorry but the God of the Bible sees an atheists heart. which all falls down to abominable people.

    I won’t give the verse so you’ll learn to seek the Bible which you often misuse.

  10. Alvin, I think that’s one of the major reasons why I don’t believe in the Bible. If the Bible says that all atheists are corrupt fools, none that doeth good, and abominable, then that’s just wrong, because I know several atheists who don’t fit that description at all… just the opposite.

    Have you ever tried to make a test of those assertions in reality? Get to know an atheist without judging him first, ask about his family life? Ask if he’s ever murdered anyone, what his politics are, how he spends his Sundays? I’m wondering if your opinions about atheists have been tested in reality, or if you believe once the Bible says it’s so you don’t need a test in reality at all.

    Sometimes – and this is just the opinion of a “foolish, corrupt, abominable” atheist – what the Bible says doesn’t really match up to reality.

  11. Yes I agree that atheist doesn’t have the right to say BAD THINGS to someone whom in the first place they don’t believe it EXIST. It is sad to know that these people, who I believe, read Bible but still condemn and criticize it.
    WHO CREATED HUMAN BEING WHICH INCLUDES YOURSELF, IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE IN GOD?
    I feel sorry with you guys. I pray to God that you will be enlightened and I hope you will know the truth.
    It feels so bad to know that there are people who don’t believe in GOD because for me GOD IS LOVE. He is kind, and merciful.
    Eph 2:4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
    TSK..TSK..TSK..TOO BAD YOU DON’T BELIEVE

  12. Why would you atheists proclaim that God is a proponent of slavery when you do not even believe in Him? I truly believe that you will never understand God’s righteousness because the god of this world has blinded the eyes of your hearts. I would not waste time discussing the truth of God with you because you will never understand it. Your pre-conceived erroneous ideas have completely duped you into believing the lies of satan than the magnificent truth of the Lord God Almighty.

  13. we could explain things better if this is not too heavily moderated. it’s tiring to think and type posts that will only be lost in screening.

    bjl,

    do you have to believe in, let’s say, Zeus, to say that he is not real and he is a vile, unjust God? that he is not a benevolent and merciful god?

    would it be then fair for a Zeus worshiper to tell you that: “How can you say Zeus is so and so when you don’t even think he is real”.

    we are just saying that Yahweh (real or not) is used as an excuse by men to oppress other people, to subjugate them, to take slaves, and other vile acts. we not believe in him but at the same time, saying that commands like “You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)” is quite vile. History teaches us that roughly 100 thousand people died in the salem witch trials. I know you wash your hands in that atrocity but you believe in the same things as those lynch mobs.

    There is no doubt that the bible has a LOT of good things in it. Jesus is very admirable and a true role model. But as we have shown, there are also lots of questionable verses that history has proven to have been responsible for much pain and suffering.

    I know you are horrified and completely in opposition to what the spanish inquisiton has done to humanity. millions killed and tortured….. you may not agree with their methods but clearly, judging from your replies here, you are very sympathetic to their cause. They too, like yourselves, think of us as heathens, children of satan and not worthy of the life we have.

    Please be more tolerant to other people. The Hindus also have their own creation story, their own holy book…. they also think the same way as you do. They all have their own reasons for believing. Remember that all religions think the same way as you do… that everyone outside their respective churches are EVIL. what would happen to this world when we are divided by hate?

  14. 12 micketymoc said: I don’t believe in the Bible. If the Bible says that all atheists are corrupt fools, none that doeth good, and abominable, then that’s just wrong, because I know several atheists who don’t fit that description

    Ang sagot ng Panginoong Hesukristong banal at matwid:
    At sinabi niya sa kanila, Kayo ang nangagaaring-ganap sa inyong sarili sa paningin ng mga tao; datapuwa’t nakikilala ng Dios ang inyong mga puso; sapagka’t ang dinadakila ng mga tao ay kasuklamsuklam sa paningin ng Dios.
    Lucas 16:15
    Ang Dating Biblia

    12 micketymoc said: what the Bible says doesn’t really match up to reality

    You were not even born when the very first pages of the Bible were written… Still the Holy Bible has already predicted a man like you with eyes vividly described:

    Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: a heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
    II Peter 2:14
    King James Version

    Na may mga matang puspos ng pangangalunya, at hindi maaaring maglikat sa pagkakasala; na umaakit sa mga kaluluwang walang tiyaga; na may pusong sanay sa kasakiman; mga anak ng paglait,
    II Pedro 2:14
    Ang Dating Biblia

  15. WOW, CEL d2.

    Great. you tried to refute micketymoc’s post by proving him right.

    How could you judge people like that? do you even know him?
    how do you know that he is an adulterous person who “sins”?

    you just judge millions of people by just reading a couple of passages without reconciling it with REALITY.

    Does the western europeans and japanese (who are now MOSTLY agnostics and atheists) adulterers, sexual perverts, rapists, killers, thieves? Why are the most secular countries the most peaceful and has the lowest crime rates?

    please look around you. you just proved his point. you judge us with you hate inspiring verse that is CONTRARY to real world situations.

    not only us the Bible unable to account for scientific findings but it also fails in justifying it’s social presumptions.

  16. People must understand the kind of logic being utilized in the bible. Atheist based their logic from philosophical convictions developed through reading numerous philosphy books and absorbing various views from philosophy professors. While the bible seems elusive in its ‘mysteries’ and ‘wisdom’, nonetheles the bible draws its logic on practical manner i.e. understanding the bible must be taken into contextual analysis and historical correlation.
    I believe that people whom we commonly termed as ‘atheist’ ( though they are many kinds of atheist) will soon understand what do they hold true for now can be changed from time to time. In the final analysis, they will never get to really know the truth.

  17. Wow, you know all this about me, and we haven’t even had lunch together yet! 😉 But again, how sure are you that this fits me at all? You haven’t even spoken to me in person, and you’re already sure your quoted Bible verse describes me?

    Never mind. I think we’re talking at cross-purposes – I only want to give your preconceptions of atheists a grounding in reality, and you’re only interested in using the Bible to cast aspersions on my person. I’ll leave you to your Bible quotes.

  18. on 04 Jun 2007 at 10:15 am, micketymoc said: You haven’t even spoken to me in person, and you’re already sure your quoted Bible verse describes me?

    cel D2 replies:

    I won’t date u even if ur d last man on dis planet. You left clues as to your identity. Hello?! Your web page says all!

    Seriously, you need to re-think our outlook in life. Death may come upon you any time soon, specially, since you’re overwight (web page pics). After death, you can’t go back to change the life you lived on earth…. God owns the breathe of life you’re enjoying now minus the rules and reign of God’s laws. Just because you don’t wana recognize God does not mean he doesn’t exist anymore. Think. Just because u got a terrible hairstyle doesn’t mean good barbers don’t exist anymore. Think.

    on 04 Jun 2007 at 10:15 am, micketymoc said: You haven’t even spoken to me in person, and you’re already sure your quoted Bible verse describes me?

  19. cel says: “I won’t date u even if ur d last man on dis planet. You left clues as to your identity. Hello?! Your web page says all!”

    Um, sorry, this is really going to be my last word, but cel, I wasn’t asking you for a date. I’m married.

    Thank you for your concern, but I’ve really thought about it (if you’ve really read my blog, you would have seen how), and I’m pretty positive that A) God doesn’t exist, and B) believers often do stupid things in his name.

    Nothing you’ve said has changed my mind on these matters (in fact, it’s quite proven them), though I am open-minded enough to admit that I will change my mind if evidence presents itself. Again, thank you.

  20. Hmm..I do not think “atheist” fits the description for those people here who claimed to be atheist. For me, our friends here are just souls searching for real answers in many of life’s question. We must take into account that these fellow intellectuals wre also searching for the truth behind the existence of a ‘prime mover’or ‘cosmic being’. Even if they admit it or not, at the back of their minds they cannot disprove spirituality. Since no one has sufficed them for real answers, they remained questioning the existence of God. We cannot blame them for their disbelief . I have known many people who happened to be an atheist before but now they turned aside their disbelief. Its like going to a natural course of ‘paradigm shift’. Let us assume that they have an ‘open-minded’ attitude and will later shift from one paradign to new paradigm, possibly from disbelief to believing, or ..they will remain.

  21. hey john doe, for your information, the reason for us christians for having this blog is for us TO WELCOME QUESTIONS AND IDEAS FROM PEOPLE OUTSIDE OUR COMMUNITY. we are not hiding ignorance just like what you are insinuating by saying and i quote you:”Are you afraid that your faith can not stand in the way of these questions and you have to avoid them”. I AM CHALLENGING YOU JOHN DOE TO TRY THE TRUE WISDOM REAL CHRISTIANS HAVE! I DARE YOU! ARE YOU UP TO IT? WE ARE READY FOR YOU BABY!!!

  22. mickeytomic,
    you said you are an openminded person. If you really are, you must seek first the truth before arriving at any conclusion that God doesn’t exist?.

    Come to think of your self, if God does not exist then who made you?.Why do you exist?. Why is there such thing as the Bible?. Why history proves that events from the Bible exist?. Have you read the Bible? Have you understood it ? What made your talent’s and abilities to question the forces that are not seen, yet those have been seen are proven and yet you don’t believe?……Is it not true the Bible says for those who don’t believe are considered fools?

  23. samuel said:

    There is no doubt that the bible has a LOT of good things in it. Jesus is very admirable and a true role model. But as we have shown, there are also lots of questionable verses that history has proven to have been responsible for much pain and suffering.

    I know you are horrified and completely in opposition to what the spanish inquisiton has done to humanity. millions killed and tortured….. you may not agree with their methods but clearly, judging from your replies here, you are very sympathetic to their cause. They too, like yourselves, think of us as heathens, children of satan and not worthy of the life we have.

    Hi Samuel,
    Questionable verses? Yes they are questionable in the eyes of Atheists or others who dont understand the mystery of the Bible. But in the eyes of the TRUE Bible wise like bro. Eli, everything in the Bible is clear. I was also an atheist before who believed that almighty God never exist and that life is just a product of evolution. But after hearing bro. Eli’s preaching of the Bible, I’m now a convert and a proud believer of the God of Israel, of Jesus Christ, of the spirit world, of the Bible.

    I dare you! Ask bro. Eli all your doubts in the Bible. And everything will be cleared (even those things that FALSE prophets and FALSE pastors have failed to preach rightly).

    And by the way, you think Catholics (those believer from Spain who did the holy inquitition) are Christians? You really believe that believers who do wicked things are Christians? Not all religions who do things in the name of God of the Bible are really of God.

  24. TO MICKEYTOMIC, I CAME ACROSS UR MSGS AND I HAV OBSERVE THAT UR ARGUMENTS ARE VERY LAME.U SED THAT UR MARRIED,RYT?DO U RLI WANNA BELIEVE THAT THERE’S NO GOD?DO U RLI WANNA BELIEVE THAT UR FAMILY AND FRENS WILL JUST DIE LIKE PIGS N DOGS BEC THER’S NO GOD?IS THAT WHAT U RLI WANNA HAPPEN?ENJOY LIFE THEN DIE LIKE PIGS?WAT IF PARE IF THERE RLI IS ETERNAL LIFE AND JUST WASTED IT JUST BEC.U AND UR FRENS WANT TO BE SMART-ASSES.PARE, REMEMBER THIS, ‘TATAWAG KA RIN’ WETHER U SAY HE DOESNT EXIST PERO I HOPE IT WILL NOT B TOO LATE 4 U WEN THAT HAPPENS.BELEIVE ME PARE IT WILL GONNA COME NA WLA KANA TALAGANG MAKAKAPITAN.GUD LUCK NLANG TO U AND UR WIFE 4 BEING SLAVES OF ATHEISM.IF U LUV UR WIFE PARE GIVE HER THE CHANCE TO HOPE 4 SOMETHING AFTER DEATH.”LIFE IS SENSELESS WITHOUT HAVING SOMETHING TO HOPE 4 AFTER WE DIE”-rationalize that baka mata-uhan kapa.SEARCH UR CONSCIENCE PARE AND STOP BEING AN IDIOT.KAAWAAN KA SANA NG DIOS…

  25. Historical analyses had showed us the cloaked web of deception of many religions which gave us the impression that religion was used as an ultimate weapon to install political control and domination. Without mentioning specific religion sect, we can surmise that almost all world religions has been instrumental in many of wars and battles and endless purging or ethnic cleansing.

    But let us ask ourselves a valid question: Does all religions passed or even conform to the definition of a TRUE religion stated in the bible?

    Never concede to a hasty conclusion that history nulifies the veracity of the bible verses. If you are open-minded,whether be a believer or an atheist, look more closely and analyze more ..many ‘intellectuals’ are victimized by assuming wrong perception of REALITY. You cant simply take REALITY as it is, that is not an intellegent thing to do.

  26. here you go again samuel, saying things you dont really understand at all. you said an i quote:”there are also lots of questionable verses that history has proven to have been responsible for much pain and suffering.” my DIRECT question to samuel is CAN YOU ENUMERATE ALL OF THE BIBLE VERSES THAT YOU ACCUSE OF CAUSING MUCH PAIN AND SUFFERING? its really been your character to ACCUSE and BLAME the bible yet you seem to be so IGNORANT with the WHOLE content of what you are judging. i’ve been with you since we “debated” on THE TRUTH ABOUT NOAH’S ARK and you keep on JUDGING the bible which i doubt if you already read it IN ITS ENTIRETY. are all atheists like what samuel is, UNFAIR, UNEQUITABLE, and DOESNT HAVE ANY SENSE OF JUSTICE? ATHEISTS JUDGE GOD FOR BEING UNFAIR YET IT ALL BOUNCES BACK TO THEM. if thats the way atheists think, then, I CONDEMN ATHEISM!!!

  27. hi micketymoc

    it just so happen that your post caught my attention because you said and i quote:”I think that’s one of the major reasons why I don’t believe in the Bible. If the Bible says that all atheists are corrupt fools, none that doeth good, and abominable, then that’s just wrong, because I know several atheists who don’t fit that description at all… just the opposite.”
    TO EXERCISE FAIRNESS AND EQUITY, id want to be an atheist for a while and create a REALISTIC scenario;
    im an atheist and it just so happen that i killed somebody. the crime left no trace whatsoever, no evidence, no witness, nothing that would possibly incriminate me in civil court. im an atheist i can EASILY get away with it because I DONT BELIEVE IN CONSCIENCE because for me CONSCIENCE IS IRRATIONAL because as an atheist IM ONLY BOUND TO ACCEPT AND BELEIVE THINGS THAT I CAN SEE, HEAR, HOLD OR MEASURE because im an atheist MY MIND COULD ONLY ACCEPT REALITIES THAT CAN BE MEASURED BY THE METRIC SYSTEM ONLY. im an atheist and therefore THERE IS NO NEED TO FEEL RESPONSIBLE for as along as MY HOMEOSTATIC CONDITION is NOT AFFECTED and MY ECONOMIC INTERESTS REMAINS POSITIVELY STABLE. i cant blame myself for my crime because ITS NATURAL FOR ANIMALS TO DIE JUST LIKE APES AND PIGS BECAUSE WE HAVE A COMMON ANCESTOR AND THEY ARE MY COUSINS. deep in my heart THERE IS NO NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE and I ONLY NEED TO BE NICE TO PEOPLE THAT CAN HAVE A POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO MY OWN PERSONAL WELFARE and ITS GROSSLY IRRATIONAL FOR ME TO BE CONCERNED because im an atheist. I ONLY NEED TO BE CONCERNED IF I WILL BENEFIT FROM IT. THERE IS NO GOD ANYWAY, WHATS THE POINT FOR BEING CONCERNED IF MY OWN WELFARE WILL NOT BE POSITIVELY AFFECTED.

  28. Sorry, quiel, but that’s not a realistic scenario at all.

    On the topic of conscience, I’ve already explored that in detail here. You’re welcome to read and critique it, at least you have a more accurate representation of what an atheist thinks about being a good person.

  29. WELL, I THINK THAT ITS VERY ILOGICAL AND VERY STUPID TO BELIEVE THAT EVRYTHIN IN THE UNIVERSE SO PRECISELY ARRANGED WORKING HARMONIOUSLY WID EACH OTHER INCLUDING BLACKHOLES IS A PRODUCT OF A BIG EXPLOSION(bigbang theory).CAN U ARRANGE SOMETHIN SO PRECISED FRM AN EXPLOSION?HOW STUPID IS THAT!HEY ATHEISTS!DO U KNOW HOW A BOMB WORKS?CAN U MAKE BEAUTIFUL CITIES WID GREAT BUILDINGS AND ALL IN IT FRM AN EXPLOSION?Y DNT U TEST UR THEORY IN UR GARAGE,LETS SAY U BLOWUP UR CAR OR SOMETHIN AND TELL US AFTERWARDS IF THERES SOMETHIN SO BEAUTIFULY ARRANGED CAME OUT FRM THAT EXPLOSION.THEN ALL OF US HERE WILL BELIEVE UR BIG BANG THEORY!BELIEVE MICKEY,IT TAKES BIG BANG IN OUR HEAD TO BELIEVE IN THE BIG BANG THEORY.BUT THAT WONT HAPPEN BEC UR MIND IS NOT A PRODUCT OF AN EXPLOSION!THIS MASTERPIECE IS MADE BY THE SKILLFUL HANDS OF SOME1 GREAT CALLED GOD.NOW,CAN ANY EXPLOSION DO THAT?CAN AN EXPLOSION CREATE A MASTERPIECE? OR HAS UR MIND GONE BIG BANG MICKEY THAT U CANNOT DISCERNE IT ANYMORE.

  30. to without GOD,
    at the moment of your own death.wether you do not believe in GOD or believe in GOD but remain disobedient, you will know finally that HE IS GOD, and will be judged.

  31. Hi james:
    well put and well explained! It reminds me of a certain book 7 years ago that was authored by post modernist /sociologist . The book concludes that we cannot just dismissed the mathemathical organization and consitution of every matter and living creatures. Every processes from gravitational pull and balance of the planets and stars up to the smallest organized cells of our body are guided by some mysterious force that makes them so organized.

    Hi Bernard:
    I agree. You reminded me of my professor in sociology that challenged us to reflect in his life-question: ” what if God is true and creationism is true? what if hell is real and heaven is life everlasting? Even the most self assured atheist will entertain this question in his moment of death. The facts are overwhelming, even if all we see is deception in almost all world religion, we cannot dismissed many of our life-questions like, ‘what is life? and “where do we fo from here?”

  32. atheist,

    Not believing in GOD’s existence doesn’t mean He does not exist,.the absence of evidence doesn’t mean that there is no evidence, you just don’t know where to find the evidence or you’re just ignoring the evidence in front of you and in you. or may be someone (or self) deceive you in to not believing.
    atheistsm is also a form of faith-ignoring what is reality – faith in the missing link in the evolution process of man-which can never can be proven.

  33. hi micketymoc

    you said and i quote:”Sorry, quiel, but that’s not a realistic scenario at all.” in response to my post. YOU MEAN ITS TOTALLY IMPOSIBLE FOR ANY AND ALL ATHEIST TO KILL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING? OH CMON, NOBODY BELIEVES IN THAT FANTASY. GET REAL. YOU CANNOT FOOL ALL WHO READS THIS PAGE WITH THAT CRAP OF YOURS.

  34. hi micketymoc

    intead of just accusing my post for being not realistic (post#30), WHY WONT YOU ENUMERATE ONE BY ONE AND POINT BY POINT YOUR ARGUMENTS WHY YOU SAID MY SCENARIO WAS NOT REALISTIC. I CHALLENGE YOU TO DO THAT! LETS TEST WHICH IDEOLOGY WILL STAND, ATHEISM OR THEISM? I ALSO WANT TO TEST WHETHER ATHEISM CAN REALLY STAND IN AN ARGUMENTATIVE DEBATE. I CHALLENGE YOU MICKETYMOC! LETS DEBATE ON THIS!!!

  35. ALL I CAN SAY IS I BELIEVE IN GOD AND I BELIEVE IN HIS SON OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST, FOR THEY ARE MY CREATORS WHO HAVE GIVEN ME BREATHE AND POWER TO MOVE. IF THESE ATHEIST COULD MENTION SOMEONE THAT CAN GIVE LIFE TO HUMAN BEING THEN I MIGHT AS WELL BELIEVE IN THEIR PRINCIPLES BUT IF THEY CANNOT, THEN I AM INVITING THEM TO REPENT AND TURNBACK ON GOD. YOU STILL HAVE MORE TIME TO CHANGE YOUR IDEALS AND START SERVING OUR
    CREATORS

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  37. I’m glad co’z this blog open’s communication between christians & others. Thnks be to God for sending, using Brother Eli as an instrument.

    To Atheist,

    May you continue in searching for the truth. And may God guide us all.

  38. Hello All,

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  40. This is one of the principle of economics.

    The rich and poor meet together: the LORD is the maker of them all.

    Proverbs 22:2
    King James Version

  41. GLORY TO GOD ALMIGHTY. Thank you LORD for giving us a strong-willed Preacher like Bro Eli who is not cowed by any threat to his life, difficulties, and unending persecutions of all forms from the leaders of false churches supported by some ‘captive’ beholden corrupt Philippine government officials. For the non-believers, it is rather a shame that you use the bible and yet refuse to believe in it. Anyway, it has been said that not all are given the gift to understand the WORDS of GOD, thus we have people who really will be far from the TRUTH no matter how many times the will read the bible from cover to cover. Not all can be masters and not all will be slaves. A harmonious relationship with the two must exist, because to each are given their own temporary destiny. In reality, many slaves became masters, and many masters became slaves. Remember Joseph who was sold by his brothers and became a slave, yet by GOD’s will became a master. It has something to do with becoming rich or poor, where the poor ends up as slaves to the rich and mighty. SAMUEL 2:7- THE LORD MAKETH POOR, AND MAKETH RICH, HE BRINGETH LOW, AND LIFTETH UP. At times being a slave in whatever form is not at all wrong. There are many wonderful things on earth that would not have existed without the slaves. The harmonious relationship between a master and servant is what really counts. Everywhere you will find masters who are kind and regard their servants very humane , and there are also of the opposite abusive kind. Also you will find servants who joyfully work with loyalty as if they are part of the masters true family, and there are also the opposite. If non- believers will only understand the bible or really listen to Bro Eli, they will realize that in the life hereafter, everybody will be equal, no more servants nor masters, except for the MOST HOLY AND MOST POWERFUL GOD, THE GREAT MASTER OF ALL.

  42. Bro Eli,

    As the Bible say as you explained then there are people born slaves and there are born masters in the flesh, is it also right to conclude that destiny is pre-determined for any man whether he will be a master or a slave which is also the same to all men given the different number of talents each? If so, then there is no way to escape if one’s destiny is a slave then he will be a slave no matter how he tries which is also true to the masters being born masters and leaders. If my understanding is right please correct me if I am wrong, then God also decided the destiny of any man even if he is not yet born. I also noticed that in our government, many wanted to be presidents of the Philippines but none except one is chosen to become and the rest were left behind no matter how they tried.

    Although God prefer that man choose the Good but He doesn’t decide the freedom of choice for any man (whether he is a slave or a master) to chose between the good or evil but the standing of any man in the society has been pre-determined even before he was born. Am I right Bro Eli? Being a master or a slave is God’s prerogative and decision to any man and the only question is whether he will be good or evil which man decided for himself alone. So predestiny to be rich or poor is it also God’s? If so, why are we encouraged to work hard to get rich as written also in the Bbile? I say this because the poor are the slaves of the rich who are their masters. Can you explain further Bro Eli for more clarity and please correct me if my perception is wrong. Thanks and regards.

    Alfredo

  43. YOU MEAN ITS TOTALLY IMPOSIBLE FOR ANY AND ALL ATHEIST TO KILL ANOTHER HUMAN BEING? OH CMON, NOBODY BELIEVES IN THAT FANTASY. GET REAL. YOU CANNOT FOOL ALL WHO READS THIS PAGE WITH THAT CRAP OF YOURS.

    You mean quiel, it’s impossible for a Theist to Kill Another Human Being?,When we all know for a Fact that All Theists are the worst offender of this Crime,MURDER,My Only Advice to you is, go to a Prison, and see for yourself.

    ANG LALAKAS NG APOG NIYONG MAGHAMON NG DEBATE WALA NAMAN KAYONG GINAWA KUNG HINDI MAGBUBURA NG POST NG MGA KA DEBATE NINYO.

  44. Thanks be to God Bro. Eli for this opened wisdom you shared upon us all.

    God wants slaves to be liberated and therefore He is not a proponent of slavery.

    In spiritual sense, God wants us to be freed from the bondage of sins, that’s how immeasurable the love of God is to His people.

  45. Me and my superiors often had disagreement because we do have different ideas in different subject, but at the end of the day, I still respect and obey them for the reason they are my superiors but sometimes with grudging feelings. But when I heard this from Bro. Eli, I learned to respect and like my work, the people around, specially my superiors because of our Lord Jesus Christ. It is a part of being Christian.

    Thanks be to God forever and ever.

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