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		<title>By: Rhina</title>
		<link>http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/08/05/a-scientific-way-of-discovering-biblical-truth-part-2/#comment-9534</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 04:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GLORY TO GOD IN  THE HIGHEST. WE WILL PRAISE AND SING TO YOU LORD GOD WITHOUT CEASING. Inspite of our being sinners, YOU continue to shower us with all your blessings and protection. From among us in the CHURCH OF GOD International, the church known by YOUR NAME O LORD, will our leader come from. Thanksgiving in joyous voices has been foretold in JEREMIAH 30:19-21. The growth of the Church has multiplied tremendously and miraculously, thanks to our leaders Bro Eli and Bro Daniel, who almost never rest and sleep, in their desire to fullfill their biblical duty to reach out and help the poor, the ignorant, the victims of injustices, and the many others, misled by the arrogant and boastfull leaders of 'commercialized' fake churches. It is not by coincidence that the prophecies in JEREMIAH and other books in the bible aptly points to Bro Eli, and the CHURCH OF GOD. How else can we disregard the truth that in this end times, there is no Preacher like Bro Eli who has been blessed with the knowledge and understanding the TRUTH in the bible in a scientific way. Through Bro Eli and Bro Daniel, many lost souls, including me, came back to reality and embraced the TRUTH OF GOD. There is no need to enumerate here the many other good things that happened to many sinners like me, formerly enmeshed in worldly pleasures and accolades in open disobedience to GOD. Thank you Bro Eli, Bro Daniel, we are always praying for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GLORY TO GOD IN  THE HIGHEST. WE WILL PRAISE AND SING TO YOU LORD GOD WITHOUT CEASING. Inspite of our being sinners, YOU continue to shower us with all your blessings and protection. From among us in the CHURCH OF GOD International, the church known by YOUR NAME O LORD, will our leader come from. Thanksgiving in joyous voices has been foretold in JEREMIAH 30:19-21. The growth of the Church has multiplied tremendously and miraculously, thanks to our leaders Bro Eli and Bro Daniel, who almost never rest and sleep, in their desire to fullfill their biblical duty to reach out and help the poor, the ignorant, the victims of injustices, and the many others, misled by the arrogant and boastfull leaders of &#8216;commercialized&#8217; fake churches. It is not by coincidence that the prophecies in JEREMIAH and other books in the bible aptly points to Bro Eli, and the CHURCH OF GOD. How else can we disregard the truth that in this end times, there is no Preacher like Bro Eli who has been blessed with the knowledge and understanding the TRUTH in the bible in a scientific way. Through Bro Eli and Bro Daniel, many lost souls, including me, came back to reality and embraced the TRUTH OF GOD. There is no need to enumerate here the many other good things that happened to many sinners like me, formerly enmeshed in worldly pleasures and accolades in open disobedience to GOD. Thank you Bro Eli, Bro Daniel, we are always praying for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane n' tarzan</title>
		<link>http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/08/05/a-scientific-way-of-discovering-biblical-truth-part-2/#comment-6491</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane n' tarzan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to jet


You mean mr. adventist used FOUL LANGUAGES? Ahhh that's valid  reason!

He advised Tony Santos not to used "Fools" right? He is really a hypocrite.

Jet do we have evidence that Mr. adventist applied "foul words" in his previous post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to jet</p>
<p>You mean mr. adventist used FOUL LANGUAGES? Ahhh that&#8217;s valid  reason!</p>
<p>He advised Tony Santos not to used &#8220;Fools&#8221; right? He is really a hypocrite.</p>
<p>Jet do we have evidence that Mr. adventist applied &#8220;foul words&#8221; in his previous post?</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/08/05/a-scientific-way-of-discovering-biblical-truth-part-2/#comment-6459</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 01:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>35 Jane n' Tarzan,

Everyone can post freely I believe. But we must also understand that in every comment that we submit, there appears:

"Your comment is awaiting moderation."

You see, I do not own this blog. I do not even know how to create my own. And I do not have the slightest plan of having one. 

So, for someone to accuse me of not posting their comments, is something that should revert back to their faces while they accuse Paul of deceiving people, when they themselves do it.

What I am saying is that, we should respect the moderator or the owner of this blog. We should not blame them. 

Maybe, what we can do is check on our comments first before we even click on the 'submit' button, if we have said too much of not so nice words baselessly already - like I thought what I have done during the much heated discussion with INC members before, when my blood pressure really rose up, that I was already saying not so polite words to them - and in turn my comment/s was/were not posted. 

And I have nobody to blame for that but myself. I should be thankful to them, I believe, for saving me. What I did instead was, revise it in such a way that it would only focus on the issues at hand, and hope that it will be posted the next time I submit it.

I myself, trust and have faith that this blog was created for the sake of propagating the truth from the bible so that people will know and find it - as what Bro. Eli has long been doing for the most part of his life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>35 Jane n&#8217; Tarzan,</p>
<p>Everyone can post freely I believe. But we must also understand that in every comment that we submit, there appears:</p>
<p>&#8220;Your comment is awaiting moderation.&#8221;</p>
<p>You see, I do not own this blog. I do not even know how to create my own. And I do not have the slightest plan of having one. </p>
<p>So, for someone to accuse me of not posting their comments, is something that should revert back to their faces while they accuse Paul of deceiving people, when they themselves do it.</p>
<p>What I am saying is that, we should respect the moderator or the owner of this blog. We should not blame them. </p>
<p>Maybe, what we can do is check on our comments first before we even click on the &#8217;submit&#8217; button, if we have said too much of not so nice words baselessly already - like I thought what I have done during the much heated discussion with INC members before, when my blood pressure really rose up, that I was already saying not so polite words to them - and in turn my comment/s was/were not posted. </p>
<p>And I have nobody to blame for that but myself. I should be thankful to them, I believe, for saving me. What I did instead was, revise it in such a way that it would only focus on the issues at hand, and hope that it will be posted the next time I submit it.</p>
<p>I myself, trust and have faith that this blog was created for the sake of propagating the truth from the bible so that people will know and find it - as what Bro. Eli has long been doing for the most part of his life.</p>
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		<title>By: Jane n' tarzan</title>
		<link>http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/08/05/a-scientific-way-of-discovering-biblical-truth-part-2/#comment-6442</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane n' tarzan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 12:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Adventist, 

You can freely post in this blog using your preferred name RIGHT? , THEN WHAT'S THE REASON BEHIND OF USING OTHERS' USERNAME? 

I have 3 questions for you

1. WHY?

2. WHY?

3. WHY?

Can you give me at least ONE plausable answer? 

Jet,  he can post freely right? I can't see any post from him for a long time, ANO BA NANGYARI?  This blog was created  for everyone right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Adventist, </p>
<p>You can freely post in this blog using your preferred name RIGHT? , THEN WHAT&#8217;S THE REASON BEHIND OF USING OTHERS&#8217; USERNAME? </p>
<p>I have 3 questions for you</p>
<p>1. WHY?</p>
<p>2. WHY?</p>
<p>3. WHY?</p>
<p>Can you give me at least ONE plausable answer? </p>
<p>Jet,  he can post freely right? I can&#8217;t see any post from him for a long time, ANO BA NANGYARI?  This blog was created  for everyone right?</p>
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		<title>By: jet</title>
		<link>http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/08/05/a-scientific-way-of-discovering-biblical-truth-part-2/#comment-6420</link>
		<dc:creator>jet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 03:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EVERYONE,

Look at ADVENTIST posing as somebody else again in post #32. This time, as Tony Santos, to answer Dimitri.

Only a FOOL will believe this kind of people!

It is really a device of satan for these people to accuse Paul of deceiving, when they themselves deceive many; and accuse Paul of being the antichrist, when they themselves quote and use Paul's writings to form part of their dotrines.

Again, accuse me of this, and I'll show you right straight to your face, the evidences!

But christians are not ignorant of this kind of devices.

2 Corinthians 2:11  Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.

KAAWA-AWA naman ang mga NALOLOKO at MALOLOKO PA nitong mga taong ito!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EVERYONE,</p>
<p>Look at ADVENTIST posing as somebody else again in post #32. This time, as Tony Santos, to answer Dimitri.</p>
<p>Only a FOOL will believe this kind of people!</p>
<p>It is really a device of satan for these people to accuse Paul of deceiving, when they themselves deceive many; and accuse Paul of being the antichrist, when they themselves quote and use Paul&#8217;s writings to form part of their dotrines.</p>
<p>Again, accuse me of this, and I&#8217;ll show you right straight to your face, the evidences!</p>
<p>But christians are not ignorant of this kind of devices.</p>
<p>2 Corinthians 2:11  Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.</p>
<p>KAAWA-AWA naman ang mga NALOLOKO at MALOLOKO PA nitong mga taong ito!</p>
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		<title>By: master MOON RAVEN</title>
		<link>http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/08/05/a-scientific-way-of-discovering-biblical-truth-part-2/#comment-6314</link>
		<dc:creator>master MOON RAVEN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 03:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In behalf of mister EYES, master MOON RAVEN will answer.


1.)GOD spirit is nothing if you will describe it as a GOD spirit.
2.) GOD spirit will become alive or existing if you will descibe it as LOVE.

3.) The image of GOD is our conscience and this is present to all human kind.

This is proven in :

"For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil."

But the devil counter it by being present in the hemisphere of our consciousness.

like this:

"And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself."


but our MASTER LORD Jesus Christ counter it by using this:

"If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;"

"For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me."

"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth."

and the word is love 

"Thou shalt LOVE the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind."

"Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour as thyself."

"On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

and the truth is you

"Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

because you are the one who is address by word.

and if you are now the one which is the fulfillment of love.

then:

“Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:”

“And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.”

“Henceforth I call you not servants; for the SERVANT KNOWETH NOT what his LORD DOETH: but I have called you FRIENDS; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made KNOWN UNTO YOU.”

and this true because if you are depending only into one messenger or pillar  then you are a  like foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 

because when your one messenger is died your flock will be crippled because your messenger or pillar is only one.

because you neglect these:

And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be PILLARS, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.

"Him that overcometh will I make a PILLAR in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

Nobody owns the congregation it is own by our MASTER LORD Jesus Christ, the fact that you are using his name in your preaching.

So mister EYES proposal is good and its up to you if you will treat yourself as an OWNER or DYNASTY of the congregation by passing it to your near friends, love ones, or relatives.

or follow our MASTER LORD Jesus Christ said:

"And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the REGENERATION when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon TWELVE thrones, judging the TWELVE tribes of Israel." 

"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

and if this will be happen.

mister EYES and master MOON RAVEN will hand and hand walk together while singing the powerful song#60.

Alleluyah na walang hanggan sa AMANG marangal --- (sing this don't just only reading)


 master MOON RAVEN </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In behalf of mister EYES, master MOON RAVEN will answer.</p>
<p>1.)GOD spirit is nothing if you will describe it as a GOD spirit.<br />
2.) GOD spirit will become alive or existing if you will descibe it as LOVE.</p>
<p>3.) The image of GOD is our conscience and this is present to all human kind.</p>
<p>This is proven in :</p>
<p>&#8220;For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.&#8221;</p>
<p>But the devil counter it by being present in the hemisphere of our consciousness.</p>
<p>like this:</p>
<p>&#8220;And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.&#8221;</p>
<p>but our MASTER LORD Jesus Christ counter it by using this:</p>
<p>&#8220;If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.&#8221;</p>
<p>and the word is love </p>
<p>&#8220;Thou shalt LOVE the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour as thyself.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.&#8221;</p>
<p>and the truth is you</p>
<p>&#8220;Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.&#8221;</p>
<p>because you are the one who is address by word.</p>
<p>and if you are now the one which is the fulfillment of love.</p>
<p>then:</p>
<p>“Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:”</p>
<p>“And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.”</p>
<p>“Henceforth I call you not servants; for the SERVANT KNOWETH NOT what his LORD DOETH: but I have called you FRIENDS; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made KNOWN UNTO YOU.”</p>
<p>and this true because if you are depending only into one messenger or pillar  then you are a  like foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: </p>
<p>because when your one messenger is died your flock will be crippled because your messenger or pillar is only one.</p>
<p>because you neglect these:</p>
<p>And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be PILLARS, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.</p>
<p>&#8220;Him that overcometh will I make a PILLAR in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nobody owns the congregation it is own by our MASTER LORD Jesus Christ, the fact that you are using his name in your preaching.</p>
<p>So mister EYES proposal is good and its up to you if you will treat yourself as an OWNER or DYNASTY of the congregation by passing it to your near friends, love ones, or relatives.</p>
<p>or follow our MASTER LORD Jesus Christ said:</p>
<p>&#8220;And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the REGENERATION when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon TWELVE thrones, judging the TWELVE tribes of Israel.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.&#8221;</p>
<p>and if this will be happen.</p>
<p>mister EYES and master MOON RAVEN will hand and hand walk together while singing the powerful song#60.</p>
<p>Alleluyah na walang hanggan sa AMANG marangal &#8212; (sing this don&#8217;t just only reading)</p>
<p> master MOON RAVEN</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Santos</title>
		<link>http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/08/05/a-scientific-way-of-discovering-biblical-truth-part-2/#comment-6285</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Santos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Aug 2007 11:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen! Amen! We are so lucky to have you Bro Eli!!!

No one can put bro. eli down!  Please, anybody who can read this, may I request you to ponder and keep Bro. Eli’s teachings 

To god be the glory!!!!!!







To Dmitri: 

Your analogy is illogical. If everyone have God with them, is there any need for God to command us to seek for him? Logic dictates that if I have that something, do I have to seek for that? What confuses you is what St. Paul have said in 2Cor. 6:16 because you don’t understand what St. Paul means. When St. Paul had said that you are the temple of God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, does he addressed it to all people? Remember that St. Paul is speaking to the members of Church of God. Does all people considered to be temple of God? I don’t think so.

reply: It is not illogical, it is only to be understood. When were born we are not born bad. God dwellth in us but as we get entangled in this strange land with its "muds".... as we becomes the servant of our mind and when those "dirt" fully engulf that "rubie" or "diamond"  in us then our problem started. We became fools! we forgot that  in the same house live the two but yet how strange they never speak, the one to the other. That is why St. Paul advices us in ACTS 17 to worhip, seek God from within our human frame, because in this cave of the body there is an INdescribable treasure.  NOw the question is this : If the lord is within every one of us, WHY IS IT THAT WE CANNOT SEE HIM? Well, the key to this mystery is given by our lord Jesus christ in Matthew 6:22-23 let me quote:

"The light of the body is the eye (not Bro. EYES): If there thine eye be single thy whol body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness.  If therefor the light that is in thee be darkness how great is that darkness"

While in the gospel of John (John 4:23-24) Jesus give us a magnificent example of how to worship the Father he said:

"But the hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in SPIRIT and in TRUTH, for the Father seeketh such to worship Him. God is spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in TRUTH"

Jesus explains thatt those who are truly worshipping the Father realize that he is a pure SPIRITUAL entity, therefore  it is not possible to have access to him unless the worshipper can enter the region of Pure Spirituality. The Father, Jesus tells us is ANXIOUS to have such worshippers for this is the only form of devotion which is acceptable to the LORD.

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Dmitri:  Because there are people the time when they born, they considered a natural brute beast (2Peter 2:12). Are these people as a natural brute beast can be considered as a temple of God?


reply: Natural brute beast? I can assure you, you misunderstood that passage, There is no doubt that you also read &#38; familiar with  Psalm 51:5 &#38; Psalm 58:3 right?  and you interpreted  it literally or as it is as usual, right?  Dmitri, Beleive in Jesus .Nobody is  born bad nor unclean. Listen to Jesus, He is the authority, He knows what was in man. (John 2:25), He knows if a man  has an original sin or not,  And so  it is Jesus who has the authority to speak on this issue.  Let us listen to him.
 
Jesus saith: .........that whoever receives one such child in my name receives me........that with regards to the children their angels always behold the face of my father who is in heaven, thus it is the will of the Father  who is in heaven that one of these little ones should not perish......He also says that "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven. 
 
So what else can we say concerning the infants and children? Jesus never mentioned any inherited sin by the infants &#38; children from Adam and Eve therefore child is a model of innocence (sinlessness) without trace of any impurities thats why to them such belongs the kingdom of heaven.
 
"Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. (matthew 18:3)
 
Dmitri,  common sense if little children are unclean, wicked and born with sinful nature or NATURAL BRUTE BEAST, how can they be a role model to enter the kingdom of heaven?   Think about it!

To Dmitri: 

Dmitri: Your analogy is illogical. If everyone have God with them, is there any need for God to command us to seek for him? Logic dictates that if I have that something, do I have to seek for that? What confuses you is what St. Paul have said in 2Cor. 6:16 because you don’t understand what St. Paul means. When St. Paul had said that you are the temple of God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, does he addressed it to all people? Remember that St. Paul is speaking to the members of Church of God. Does all people considered to be temple of God? I don’t think so.

reply: It is not illogical, it is only to be understood. When were born we are not born bad. God dwellth in us but as we get entangled in this strange land with its "muds".... as we becomes the servant of our mind and when those "dirt" fully engulf that "rubie" or "diamond"  in us then our problem started. We became fools! we forgot that  in the same house live the two but yet how strange they never speak, the one to the other. That is why St. Paul advices us in ACTS 17 to worhip, seek God from within our human frame, because in this cave of the body there is an INdescribable treasure.  NOw the question is this : If the lord is within every one of us, WHY IS IT THAT WE CANNOT SEE HIM? Well, the key to this mystery is given by our lord Jesus christ in Matthew 6:22-23 let me quote:

"The light of the body is the eye (not Bro. EYES): If there thine eye be single thy whol body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness.  If therefor the light that is in thee be darkness how great is that darkness"

While in the gospel of John (John 4:23-24) Jesus give us a magnificent example of how to worship the Father he said:

"But the hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in SPIRIT and in TRUTH, for the Father seeketh such to worship Him. God is spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in TRUTH"

Jesus explains that those who are truly worshipping the Father realize that he is a pure SPIRITUAL entity, therefore  it is not possible to have access to him unless the worshipper can enter the region of Pure Spirituality. The Father, Jesus tells us is ANXIOUS to have such worshippers for this is the only form of devotion which is acceptable to the LORD.

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Dmitri:  Because there are people the time when they born, they considered a natural brute beast (2Peter 2:12). Are these people as a natural brute beast can be considered as a temple of God?


reply: Natural brute beast? I can assure you, you misunderstood that passage, There is no doubt that you also read &#38; familiar with  Psalm 51:5 &#38; Psalm 58:3 right?  and you interpreted  it literally or as it is as usual, right?  Dmitri, Beleive in Jesus .Nobody is  born bad nor unclean. Listen to Jesus, He is the authority, He knows what was in man. (John 2:25), He knows if a man  has an original sin or not,  And so  it is Jesus who has the authority to speak on this issue.  Let us listen to him.
 
Jesus saith: .........that whoever receives one such child in my name receives me........that with regards to the children their angels always behold the face of my father who is in heaven, thus it is the will of the Father  who is in heaven that one of these little ones should not perish......He also says that "Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven. 
 
So what else can we say concerning the infants and children? Jesus never mentioned any inherited sin by the infants &#38; children from Adam and Eve therefore child is a model of innocence (sinlessness) without trace of any impurities thats why to them such belongs the kingdom of heaven.
 
"Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. (matthew 18:3)
 
Dmitri,  common sense if little children are unclean, wicked and born with sinful nature or NATURAL BRUTE BEAST, how can they be a role model to enter the kingdom of heaven?   Think about it!

Well, why not? , granting without accepting ,  let me follow your point and let us apply your logic:


"Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like NATURAL BRUTE BEAST, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven" (Dmitri 18:3)

another one


"Then children brought to him that he might lay his hands on them and  and pray. The disciples rebuked the people;  but Jesus said, Let the children come to me , and do not hinder them for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven."
 
 
 
Dmitri viewpoint: : "Then the NATURAL BRUTE BEAST brought to him that he might lay his hands on them and  and pray. The disciples rebuked the people;  but Jesus said, Let the NATURAL BORN BEAST come to me , and do not hinder them for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.


Dmitri, Who is illogical now?? Do you agree that you really misunderstood II Peter ?
 

 
And btw Dmitri, just an advice, do not tell any momsy and popsy that their little offsprings are sinful and unclean, wicked, speaking lies  or simply natural brute beast Why? ................. you  will be in deep trouble sooner or later.  Wink!!!! 

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Dmitri: By the way, do you have any idea what is temple of God means in the bible? Does this temple of God pertains only to a certain individual? Well, those are the things for you to ponder.

reply: DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW THAT WE ARE NOT BORN  NATURAL BRUTE BEAST?

The bible is quite clear about this subject- TEMPLE of GOD, The only way to worship, realize, behold God is within the human frame and never in man-made temples, but IT DOESNT MEAN THAT HE IS NOT EVERYWHERE, the issue here is WHERE TO WORSHIP GOD PER SE AND NOT OMNIPRESENCE.  So beyond this concrete proof, or anything aside from this view are all  are just  a by- product of hearsay &#38;  illusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen! Amen! We are so lucky to have you Bro Eli!!!</p>
<p>No one can put bro. eli down!  Please, anybody who can read this, may I request you to ponder and keep Bro. Eli’s teachings </p>
<p>To god be the glory!!!!!!</p>
<p>To Dmitri: </p>
<p>Your analogy is illogical. If everyone have God with them, is there any need for God to command us to seek for him? Logic dictates that if I have that something, do I have to seek for that? What confuses you is what St. Paul have said in 2Cor. 6:16 because you don’t understand what St. Paul means. When St. Paul had said that you are the temple of God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, does he addressed it to all people? Remember that St. Paul is speaking to the members of Church of God. Does all people considered to be temple of God? I don’t think so.</p>
<p>reply: It is not illogical, it is only to be understood. When were born we are not born bad. God dwellth in us but as we get entangled in this strange land with its &#8220;muds&#8221;&#8230;. as we becomes the servant of our mind and when those &#8220;dirt&#8221; fully engulf that &#8220;rubie&#8221; or &#8220;diamond&#8221;  in us then our problem started. We became fools! we forgot that  in the same house live the two but yet how strange they never speak, the one to the other. That is why St. Paul advices us in ACTS 17 to worhip, seek God from within our human frame, because in this cave of the body there is an INdescribable treasure.  NOw the question is this : If the lord is within every one of us, WHY IS IT THAT WE CANNOT SEE HIM? Well, the key to this mystery is given by our lord Jesus christ in Matthew 6:22-23 let me quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;The light of the body is the eye (not Bro. EYES): If there thine eye be single thy whol body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness.  If therefor the light that is in thee be darkness how great is that darkness&#8221;</p>
<p>While in the gospel of John (John 4:23-24) Jesus give us a magnificent example of how to worship the Father he said:</p>
<p>&#8220;But the hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in SPIRIT and in TRUTH, for the Father seeketh such to worship Him. God is spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in TRUTH&#8221;</p>
<p>Jesus explains thatt those who are truly worshipping the Father realize that he is a pure SPIRITUAL entity, therefore  it is not possible to have access to him unless the worshipper can enter the region of Pure Spirituality. The Father, Jesus tells us is ANXIOUS to have such worshippers for this is the only form of devotion which is acceptable to the LORD.</p>
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<p>Dmitri:  Because there are people the time when they born, they considered a natural brute beast (2Peter 2:12). Are these people as a natural brute beast can be considered as a temple of God?</p>
<p>reply: Natural brute beast? I can assure you, you misunderstood that passage, There is no doubt that you also read &amp; familiar with  Psalm 51:5 &amp; Psalm 58:3 right?  and you interpreted  it literally or as it is as usual, right?  Dmitri, Beleive in Jesus .Nobody is  born bad nor unclean. Listen to Jesus, He is the authority, He knows what was in man. (John 2:25), He knows if a man  has an original sin or not,  And so  it is Jesus who has the authority to speak on this issue.  Let us listen to him.</p>
<p>Jesus saith: &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;that whoever receives one such child in my name receives me&#8230;&#8230;..that with regards to the children their angels always behold the face of my father who is in heaven, thus it is the will of the Father  who is in heaven that one of these little ones should not perish&#8230;&#8230;He also says that &#8220;Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven. </p>
<p>So what else can we say concerning the infants and children? Jesus never mentioned any inherited sin by the infants &amp; children from Adam and Eve therefore child is a model of innocence (sinlessness) without trace of any impurities thats why to them such belongs the kingdom of heaven.</p>
<p>&#8220;Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. (matthew 18:3)</p>
<p>Dmitri,  common sense if little children are unclean, wicked and born with sinful nature or NATURAL BRUTE BEAST, how can they be a role model to enter the kingdom of heaven?   Think about it!</p>
<p>To Dmitri: </p>
<p>Dmitri: Your analogy is illogical. If everyone have God with them, is there any need for God to command us to seek for him? Logic dictates that if I have that something, do I have to seek for that? What confuses you is what St. Paul have said in 2Cor. 6:16 because you don’t understand what St. Paul means. When St. Paul had said that you are the temple of God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, does he addressed it to all people? Remember that St. Paul is speaking to the members of Church of God. Does all people considered to be temple of God? I don’t think so.</p>
<p>reply: It is not illogical, it is only to be understood. When were born we are not born bad. God dwellth in us but as we get entangled in this strange land with its &#8220;muds&#8221;&#8230;. as we becomes the servant of our mind and when those &#8220;dirt&#8221; fully engulf that &#8220;rubie&#8221; or &#8220;diamond&#8221;  in us then our problem started. We became fools! we forgot that  in the same house live the two but yet how strange they never speak, the one to the other. That is why St. Paul advices us in ACTS 17 to worhip, seek God from within our human frame, because in this cave of the body there is an INdescribable treasure.  NOw the question is this : If the lord is within every one of us, WHY IS IT THAT WE CANNOT SEE HIM? Well, the key to this mystery is given by our lord Jesus christ in Matthew 6:22-23 let me quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;The light of the body is the eye (not Bro. EYES): If there thine eye be single thy whol body shall be full of light. But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness.  If therefor the light that is in thee be darkness how great is that darkness&#8221;</p>
<p>While in the gospel of John (John 4:23-24) Jesus give us a magnificent example of how to worship the Father he said:</p>
<p>&#8220;But the hour cometh and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in SPIRIT and in TRUTH, for the Father seeketh such to worship Him. God is spirit and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in TRUTH&#8221;</p>
<p>Jesus explains that those who are truly worshipping the Father realize that he is a pure SPIRITUAL entity, therefore  it is not possible to have access to him unless the worshipper can enter the region of Pure Spirituality. The Father, Jesus tells us is ANXIOUS to have such worshippers for this is the only form of devotion which is acceptable to the LORD.</p>
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<p>Dmitri:  Because there are people the time when they born, they considered a natural brute beast (2Peter 2:12). Are these people as a natural brute beast can be considered as a temple of God?</p>
<p>reply: Natural brute beast? I can assure you, you misunderstood that passage, There is no doubt that you also read &amp; familiar with  Psalm 51:5 &amp; Psalm 58:3 right?  and you interpreted  it literally or as it is as usual, right?  Dmitri, Beleive in Jesus .Nobody is  born bad nor unclean. Listen to Jesus, He is the authority, He knows what was in man. (John 2:25), He knows if a man  has an original sin or not,  And so  it is Jesus who has the authority to speak on this issue.  Let us listen to him.</p>
<p>Jesus saith: &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;that whoever receives one such child in my name receives me&#8230;&#8230;..that with regards to the children their angels always behold the face of my father who is in heaven, thus it is the will of the Father  who is in heaven that one of these little ones should not perish&#8230;&#8230;He also says that &#8220;Let the children come to me, and do not hinder them for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven. </p>
<p>So what else can we say concerning the infants and children? Jesus never mentioned any inherited sin by the infants &amp; children from Adam and Eve therefore child is a model of innocence (sinlessness) without trace of any impurities thats why to them such belongs the kingdom of heaven.</p>
<p>&#8220;Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. (matthew 18:3)</p>
<p>Dmitri,  common sense if little children are unclean, wicked and born with sinful nature or NATURAL BRUTE BEAST, how can they be a role model to enter the kingdom of heaven?   Think about it!</p>
<p>Well, why not? , granting without accepting ,  let me follow your point and let us apply your logic:</p>
<p>&#8220;Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like NATURAL BRUTE BEAST, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven&#8221; (Dmitri 18:3)</p>
<p>another one</p>
<p>&#8220;Then children brought to him that he might lay his hands on them and  and pray. The disciples rebuked the people;  but Jesus said, Let the children come to me , and do not hinder them for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dmitri viewpoint: : &#8220;Then the NATURAL BRUTE BEAST brought to him that he might lay his hands on them and  and pray. The disciples rebuked the people;  but Jesus said, Let the NATURAL BORN BEAST come to me , and do not hinder them for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.</p>
<p>Dmitri, Who is illogical now?? Do you agree that you really misunderstood II Peter ?</p>
<p>And btw Dmitri, just an advice, do not tell any momsy and popsy that their little offsprings are sinful and unclean, wicked, speaking lies  or simply natural brute beast Why? &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. you  will be in deep trouble sooner or later.  Wink!!!! </p>
<p>***</p>
<p>Dmitri: By the way, do you have any idea what is temple of God means in the bible? Does this temple of God pertains only to a certain individual? Well, those are the things for you to ponder.</p>
<p>reply: DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW THAT WE ARE NOT BORN  NATURAL BRUTE BEAST?</p>
<p>The bible is quite clear about this subject- TEMPLE of GOD, The only way to worship, realize, behold God is within the human frame and never in man-made temples, but IT DOESNT MEAN THAT HE IS NOT EVERYWHERE, the issue here is WHERE TO WORSHIP GOD PER SE AND NOT OMNIPRESENCE.  So beyond this concrete proof, or anything aside from this view are all  are just  a by- product of hearsay &amp;  illusion.</p>
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