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		<title>By: Marte</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not against that Christ is from God and was sent by God. But as I read this post, verses were shown to support only that Jesus is not a man. The Bible show us the Jesus is the Son of God, But it also shows that Jesus is the Son of Man. Having said this it is only fair to show those verses that Jesus as man. 

But what is a man???Probably this need to be answer to well understand this meaning.

Below are some verses showing Jesus as a man.

Act 2:22 a man approved of God
Acts 13:37-39 - by this man the forgiveness of sin
Acts 17:31 by that man he had ordained
Romans 5:15 The gift by grace , which by one man
1 cor 15:21, for by man came death, by man came also ressurrection from the dead
1 cor 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven
1tim2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

The Name of Our Lord and Christ is Jesus.
He is the Son of God
He is the Son of Man</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not against that Christ is from God and was sent by God. But as I read this post, verses were shown to support only that Jesus is not a man. The Bible show us the Jesus is the Son of God, But it also shows that Jesus is the Son of Man. Having said this it is only fair to show those verses that Jesus as man. </p>
<p>But what is a man???Probably this need to be answer to well understand this meaning.</p>
<p>Below are some verses showing Jesus as a man.</p>
<p>Act 2:22 a man approved of God<br />
Acts 13:37-39 - by this man the forgiveness of sin<br />
Acts 17:31 by that man he had ordained<br />
Romans 5:15 The gift by grace , which by one man<br />
1 cor 15:21, for by man came death, by man came also ressurrection from the dead<br />
1 cor 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven<br />
1tim2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;</p>
<p>The Name of Our Lord and Christ is Jesus.<br />
He is the Son of God<br />
He is the Son of Man</p>
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		<title>By: Winspector Fire</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Revned #52: You said:

You are insisting that Jesus is a god because He does not sinned at all.

If he takes out our sins (I John 3:5), do this means that we will also be god because our sins are cleared?


Dude, before clearing our sins, he calls us gods! Read John 10:35. And Hetfield is correct, man has no power over death, Christ can. Christ can resurrect, and he did. He showed himself to the apostles to fulfill the prophesy of the prophets that Jesus will die and the resurrect on the third day (take note the 1 day period used in the bible concerning the three days is 12 hours period). Christ is the SON OF GOD. Read the bible first and more often, then ask assistance from GOD and Jesus Christ, not your ego!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Revned #52: You said:</p>
<p>You are insisting that Jesus is a god because He does not sinned at all.</p>
<p>If he takes out our sins (I John 3:5), do this means that we will also be god because our sins are cleared?</p>
<p>Dude, before clearing our sins, he calls us gods! Read John 10:35. And Hetfield is correct, man has no power over death, Christ can. Christ can resurrect, and he did. He showed himself to the apostles to fulfill the prophesy of the prophets that Jesus will die and the resurrect on the third day (take note the 1 day period used in the bible concerning the three days is 12 hours period). Christ is the SON OF GOD. Read the bible first and more often, then ask assistance from GOD and Jesus Christ, not your ego!</p>
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		<title>By: Rhina</title>
		<link>http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/09/the-great-differences-of-christ-and-man/#comment-9127</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do not know if you revned and vincent are just one person trying all your best to study how to answer and neutralize the unbeatable presentations of Bro Eli that JESUS CHRIST is not man but GOD. I have a feeling that you want to extract as many proofs as possible from Bro Eli that JESUS CHRIST is GOD, being the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. You are not dumb to understand the verses brought out by Bro Eli. I know you will then report to your 'handlers' at diliman central inc-ni-manalo all the verses discussed by Bro Eli, hoping against hope that the inc-ni-manalo will find ways to refute them. You 'spies' are everywhere, including the internet and blogs. Just like those who were sent ahead of you, you will fail because Bro Eli will never run out of verses and biblical evidence that JESUS CHRIST is GOD. In the end, you will end up baptized in the CHURCH OF GOD International, and joyfully join your former ministers and co-members, together with the multitude that came from many other religions. So it is nice that you vincent and revned came into this blog, just go on. We will wait for that day when we will all be singing praises to GOD side by side.with you.  Thank you Bro Eli for the very simple yet 'piercing' explanations that there is a great difference between JESUS CHRIST and man. GREAT ART THOU O LORD GOD.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not know if you revned and vincent are just one person trying all your best to study how to answer and neutralize the unbeatable presentations of Bro Eli that JESUS CHRIST is not man but GOD. I have a feeling that you want to extract as many proofs as possible from Bro Eli that JESUS CHRIST is GOD, being the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON. You are not dumb to understand the verses brought out by Bro Eli. I know you will then report to your &#8216;handlers&#8217; at diliman central inc-ni-manalo all the verses discussed by Bro Eli, hoping against hope that the inc-ni-manalo will find ways to refute them. You &#8217;spies&#8217; are everywhere, including the internet and blogs. Just like those who were sent ahead of you, you will fail because Bro Eli will never run out of verses and biblical evidence that JESUS CHRIST is GOD. In the end, you will end up baptized in the CHURCH OF GOD International, and joyfully join your former ministers and co-members, together with the multitude that came from many other religions. So it is nice that you vincent and revned came into this blog, just go on. We will wait for that day when we will all be singing praises to GOD side by side.with you.  Thank you Bro Eli for the very simple yet &#8216;piercing&#8217; explanations that there is a great difference between JESUS CHRIST and man. GREAT ART THOU O LORD GOD.</p>
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		<title>By: hetfield</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to revned,

read bro eli's post

Christ has life in Him; can give and take it away.

(John 10:17-18) “Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.”

Man has not power over death. Christ has.

(Ecclesiastes 8:8) “There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.”

(John 11:25) “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live…” 

But He didn't resurrect Himself because, like I said, He humbled Himself before the Father (Phil 2:6-8)

Peace be with thee brother</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to revned,</p>
<p>read bro eli&#8217;s post</p>
<p>Christ has life in Him; can give and take it away.</p>
<p>(John 10:17-1 <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> “Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.”</p>
<p>Man has not power over death. Christ has.</p>
<p>(Ecclesiastes 8: <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> “There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.”</p>
<p>(John 11:25) “Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live…” </p>
<p>But He didn&#8217;t resurrect Himself because, like I said, He humbled Himself before the Father (Phil 2:6- <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Peace be with thee brother</p>
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		<title>By: hetfield</title>
		<link>http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/09/the-great-differences-of-christ-and-man/#comment-5870</link>
		<dc:creator>hetfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 15:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to revned,

still looking for Christ's pre-existence? see Col 1:15-18

1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
1:17 And HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS, and by him all things consist.
1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.
1:19 For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fullness dwell;

as you can read in verse 17, it is clearly stated that HE EXISTED EVEN BEFORE ALL THINGS. the same in Pr 8:22-30

8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.
8:24 When [there were] no depths, I was brought forth; when [there were] no fountains abounding with water.
8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:
8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I [was] there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:
8:30 Then I was by him, [as] one brought up [with him]: and I was daily [his] delight, rejoicing always before him;

Christ was with God even before the beginning of God's ways.Even before creation.

Another one is in Rev 1:11

1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send [it] unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Now let us read another reason why Christ had to take form of a man and why He had to die. Let us read Phil 2:6-11

2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;
2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

As you can read, it is clearly stated HE IS IN THE FORM OF GOD. But due to respect to HIS FATHER, He took the form of a servant to be obedient to the Father unto death. READ 2:11, CHRIST IS LORD

If you want to see the reasons of His death continue reading in Col 1:20-22

1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.
1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in [your] mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

and another reason of His death is Rev 1:5

1:5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

Obedience and respect to the Father is one of the answer why He didn't resurrect Himself so He will not be equal to the Father (Phil 2:6). 

My faith relies on the bible and what God teaches through our minister. I don't have to quote histories, scholars, and even books brother. The bible is complete just read and understand. 

Peace be with thee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to revned,</p>
<p>still looking for Christ&#8217;s pre-existence? see Col 1:15-18</p>
<p>1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, [even] the forgiveness of sins:<br />
1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:<br />
1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether [they be] thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:<br />
1:17 And HE IS BEFORE ALL THINGS, and by him all things consist.<br />
1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence.<br />
1:19 For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fullness dwell;</p>
<p>as you can read in verse 17, it is clearly stated that HE EXISTED EVEN BEFORE ALL THINGS. the same in Pr 8:22-30</p>
<p>8:22 The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.<br />
8:23 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.<br />
8:24 When [there were] no depths, I was brought forth; when [there were] no fountains abounding with water.<br />
8:25 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth:<br />
8:26 While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.<br />
8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I [was] there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:<br />
8:28 When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:<br />
8:29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:<br />
8:30 Then I was by him, [as] one brought up [with him]: and I was daily [his] delight, rejoicing always before him;</p>
<p>Christ was with God even before the beginning of God&#8217;s ways.Even before creation.</p>
<p>Another one is in Rev 1:11</p>
<p>1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send [it] unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.</p>
<p>Now let us read another reason why Christ had to take form of a man and why He had to die. Let us read Phil 2:6-11</p>
<p>2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:<br />
2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:<br />
2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.<br />
2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:<br />
2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth;<br />
2:11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.</p>
<p>As you can read, it is clearly stated HE IS IN THE FORM OF GOD. But due to respect to HIS FATHER, He took the form of a servant to be obedient to the Father unto death. READ 2:11, CHRIST IS LORD</p>
<p>If you want to see the reasons of His death continue reading in Col 1:20-22</p>
<p>1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, [I say], whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.<br />
1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in [your] mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled<br />
1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:</p>
<p>and another reason of His death is Rev 1:5</p>
<p>1:5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,</p>
<p>Obedience and respect to the Father is one of the answer why He didn&#8217;t resurrect Himself so He will not be equal to the Father (Phil 2:6). </p>
<p>My faith relies on the bible and what God teaches through our minister. I don&#8217;t have to quote histories, scholars, and even books brother. The bible is complete just read and understand. </p>
<p>Peace be with thee</p>
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		<title>By: hetfield</title>
		<link>http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/09/the-great-differences-of-christ-and-man/#comment-5865</link>
		<dc:creator>hetfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes He is God because he never ever committed sin,if He away our sin, still the fact remains that we still HAD committed sin. Unlike Him who never EVER committed sin.

If you want a proof of Christ pre-existence before He became man, read I Pet 1:10-11

 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace [that should come] unto you:
1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

as you can see, He is with the prophets. He is even with the Israelites in the desert I Cor 10

10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

You asked la verita "If Jesus has the power of being a god, like going up to heaven, why do Jesus cannot resurrect himself? ( Acts 2:23-24,32 ) Why does the God needs to resurrect him if Christ has the power?" the answer my brother can be found if you will continue reading from the same chapter. You are so hasty in making such conclusion brother.

I am impressed by the way you answer but I am wondering why you keep on quoting from different books and "scholars". Is the bible not enough for you to believe men?And when will you quote something from your ministers?And by the way, it is better to have a temple with tiangge rather a temple with m*rd*r</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes He is God because he never ever committed sin,if He away our sin, still the fact remains that we still HAD committed sin. Unlike Him who never EVER committed sin.</p>
<p>If you want a proof of Christ pre-existence before He became man, read I Pet 1:10-11</p>
<p> 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace [that should come] unto you:<br />
1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.</p>
<p>as you can see, He is with the prophets. He is even with the Israelites in the desert I Cor 10</p>
<p>10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;<br />
10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;<br />
10:3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat;<br />
10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.</p>
<p>You asked la verita &#8220;If Jesus has the power of being a god, like going up to heaven, why do Jesus cannot resurrect himself? ( Acts 2:23-24,32 ) Why does the God needs to resurrect him if Christ has the power?&#8221; the answer my brother can be found if you will continue reading from the same chapter. You are so hasty in making such conclusion brother.</p>
<p>I am impressed by the way you answer but I am wondering why you keep on quoting from different books and &#8220;scholars&#8221;. Is the bible not enough for you to believe men?And when will you quote something from your ministers?And by the way, it is better to have a temple with tiangge rather a temple with m*rd*r</p>
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		<title>By: Revned</title>
		<link>http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/07/09/the-great-differences-of-christ-and-man/#comment-5715</link>
		<dc:creator>Revned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 04:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hethfield:

You are insisting that Jesus is a god because He does not sinned at all.

If he takes out our sins (I John 3:5), do this means that we will also be god because our sins are cleared?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hethfield:</p>
<p>You are insisting that Jesus is a god because He does not sinned at all.</p>
<p>If he takes out our sins (I John 3:5), do this means that we will also be god because our sins are cleared?</p>
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