Surprise, God Has Healed Amputees!


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Amputation is a last resort of the medical science to save the life of a person at the brink of death. A limb or a foot affected by gangrene may cause the death of a person; but because of amputation, people are saved from death. This is inconformity with the Biblical and scientific knowledge written in the book of Matthew 5.

(Matthew 5:29-30) “And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.”

Therefore, it is very clear that the Bible was not written by primitive people as these ‘imaginary idiots’ claim; And its content did not come from a primitive mind, but from a scientific and sensible mind that knows that amputation may heal the entire being of a person.

The fact that not all people being treated scientifically are healed means that healing comes not solely from the knowledge in science,otherwise, in every case, and in every scientific procedure, everybody with the same illness should be healed. The truth is, it is the Christian God that heals!

(Deuteronomy 32:39) “See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.”

This pronouncement of God Almighty stands irrefutably true up to these days. Nobody can escape the hands of God. Even the most knowledgeable of doctors and surgeon do die: Proving that it is God that ordains the death of anyone person. As it is appointed unto man once to die, afterwards the judgment (Hebrews 9:27).

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Who says that the answer to the idiotic question posted by these imaginary fools is that ‘God is imaginary’? They claim that the sensible answer to their nonsensical question is only one: According to them, God is imaginary. Now, it is my turn to ask a sensible question. If they say that God won’t heal amputees because He is imaginary, who then healed them of their sickness after the amputation has been done? If it is human science (as they believe) that is instrumental in the healing of diseases and sicknesses, why can’t science heal the very same illness whereof a person was healed, when it affected another person who died? Did not science hear their prayers? Is science imaginary? Answer these, oh, fools. And I hope you will see what you have not seen!

God Bless,

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EFS

Related Articles:

The Truth is, God Can Heal Amputess
The Amputated Arguments of Some Imaginary Smarts

 


About Brother Eliseo F. Soriano
"But none of these things move me, neither do I count my life dear to myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry which I received from the Lord Jesus Christ, to testify fully the gospel of the grace of God." Acts 20:24

86 Responses to Surprise, God Has Healed Amputees!

  1. Julius says:

    A very dlicious breakfast for my soul. I wonder what my breakfast wiil be tomorrow. One thing is for sure…its another soul watering (just like mouth watering … hehehehe) menu!!!

  2. Sekularista says:

    If that is the logic, then let me ask the same question in a different form: if an ardent believer had prayed devoutly to a god, and that god didn’t save his limb, shouldn’t that be evidence that a god doesn’t exist?

    The human body is a complex organism, with so many possible factors that can explain why it is not functioning well. But consider this, without the scientific method, we would not have antibiotics or any sort of innoculation. Children would have died at a much earlier age.

    Just over a century ago, the average life expectancy was 37 years, brought about by the high levels of infant mortality. Today the current world average life expectancy is 67, mostly brought about by the advances of medicine.

    In Africa, thousands of children are spared the death of dehydration fron diarrhea by a simple mixture of sugar and water. Prior to this, they relied on prayer.

    As it is, science has the best track record in saving human lives. Not religion. Not superstition.

    • Clifford says:

      //In Africa, thousands of children are spared the death of dehydration fron diarrhea by a simple mixture of sugar and water. Prior to this, they relied on prayer.//

      Who provided the water? Who dug the wells?
      Christian missionaries! Seems to me their prayers were answered.

      • derek says:

        Actually there’s a lot of non religious based organizations doing the same thing. So it’s more accurate to say humanity was looking out for each other than any prayers being answered. But you’re too religiously biased to ever contemplate your god has done very little, if anything at all.

      • BlueStreak says:

        Does that negate God then? Humanity is looking out cause humanity is the instrument of God’s work. So is there anything wrong with that? Tell me what makes you right on everything? How about rebut every answer of this site to the point it does affirm your belief, if not, then you have nothing to give the.

    • Kyle Gerhart says:

      Soo, i am just wondering then, do u believe in the Big Bang Theory?

  3. Jenny says:

    “If it is human science (as they believe) that is instrumental in the healing of diseases and sicknesses, why can’t science heal the very same illness whereof a person was healed, when it affected another person who died? ”

    Oh c’mon… medical science is not perfect and human bodies vary greatly. Therefore a procedure that works for one person may not work for another. It is sad bad luck I’m afraid.

    Unfair but perhaps less disgusting than the alternative – this person was more deserving to live than the other, this person had more peopel praying for them than the other. “That person’s child was more worthy to live than yours and so god let your child die. Sorry about that.”

    And if all medicene is god’s intervention then why has medicene improve in the last 3,000 years? Don’t you think it’s odd than once we got god out of the sick room people started getting better? All the priests with their chanting, incence and talk of demons couldn’t do as much for a leper as a dose of penicilin!

    • Ray Reavis says:

      Jenny,

      You said “Don’t you think it’s odd than [sic] once we got god out of the sick room people started getting better?” I think it’s odd that you think God is out of the sick room. As a pastor, I travel between 5 hospitals in the area. Patients constantly have people praying for them. In fact, many medical professionals are Christian, as well. So I hardly think God is out of the sick room.

      The fact is that just this week a woman I know was found to have no cancer cells in her when the doctors thought she should have them. I say it’s a miracle, you would probably call it a coincidence. The FACT is that this woman was healed. The FACT is that the cancer cells went away. The FACT is the doctors didn’t do anything and cannot explain with science why the cancer is gone.

      Perhaps an accidental combination of events happened that is a cure for cancer. I don’t know. But to assume God was not involved with it at all would be a mistake.

      I understand your feelings, though — it does seem unfair. It seems unfair that some are healed and other suffer. I cannot explain that, but through the scriptures we see that God doesn’t guarantee a life free of pain. In fact, we’re told throughout scripture that we will suffer pain, sickness, infirmity, persecution, etc. What we ARE told is that God will abide with us through it, and that there is something more important beyond this world.

      Peace,
      Ray

  4. Chad says:

    5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

  5. elmantheman says:

    Let me ask sekularista,

    What are your expectations when you die?

    Should you have an answer, please tell us. Correct me if I am wrong, when you die, you have no hope left with you but uncertainty.

    If you do not know the answer, you do not have the right to question why it seems that God has not heard a sick person’s prayer!

    We believe in God for we have high hopes that when God allowed us to rest(die) we are awaiting resurrection to everlasting life.

    Let me ask you again,

    Do you know why laughter is still the best medicine?

    If you know the answer, tell a homosexual to just laugh it all whenever he is being despised by his hypocrite brothers and being condemned even by priest or preachers and the like.

    Now that I found God, I appreciated more what He has been saying all along: “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest,” Matthew 11:28.

    Lastly, may I ask you sekularista to laugh.

    Yes, laughter is still the best medicine, a genuine laughter, that is.

  6. Samuel says:

    wow. I totally overestimated bro. Eli’s apologetics.

    http://www.whygodhatesamputees.com

  7. WOLVeRINE! says:

    TO JENNY,

    WOW! PRETTY MUCH FROM SOMEONE HU KNOWS NOTHIN ABOUT THE PURPOSE OF LIFE!

    WHEN SOMEONE LIVES AND WHEN THE OTHER ONE DIES IT DOESNT TALKS ABOUT WHO’S DESERVING FROM THE OTHER. SAY, I DIED AND YOU LIVED.U SEE , I MAY HAV DIED BECAUSE GOD ALREDY SAW SOMETHIN IN ME THAT IF I LIVED I MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO CONTROL MYSELF AND KILL U,WELL THAT’S GOOD LUCK FOR ME BEC. I WAS SAVED FRM THE EVIL TO COME AND EVADED THE DANGER OF HELL WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND YOU MAY HAV LIVED BUT THE PURPOSE OF YOUR LIVING IS GOD HAD MADE IT A POINT THAT YOU WANDER LIKE PIGS AND SATISFY YOUR FLESH LIKE DOGS AND ACT LIKE A SMART-ASS TO ITS FULLEST SO WHEN THE TIME COMES FOR JUDGEMENT YOU WILL HAVE NO EXCUSE ON WHY YOU WHERE NOT GIVEN THE CHANCE TO THINK THAT THERES A GOD AND THERES LIFE AFTER DEATH.WELL,THAT’S JUST BAD LUCK FOR YOU FOR U HAV LIVED.

    WHEN SOME1 DIES IT DOESNT FOLLOW THAT ITS A BAD LUCK AND WHEN SOMEONE LIVES IT DOESNT FOLLOW THAT ITS LUCK!

    WELL, I CANT BLAME YOU IF YOU CONSIDER IT BAD LUCK IF SOME1 DIES BEC. FOR PIPOL LIKE U THINK THAT WHEN ATHEISTS DIES ITS THE END OF THEIR EXISTENCE!

    WELL, YOU BETTER BE SURE THAT YOU DONT EXIST WHEN YOU DIE BEC I CAN ASSURE YOU YOUR GONNA SAVOR EVRY LITTLE AGONY THAT U HAVE TO TASTE BEC. OF YOUR ABSURD BIG BANG THEORY. AND U BETTER BE SURE THAT CHARLES DARWIN’S GONNA BE THERE TO SAVE UR SMART ASS WHEN THAT TIME COMES.AND U BETTER BE SURE THAT YOUR IMAGINARY SCIENCE’S GONNA SAVE U.

  8. Alvin Matias says:

    This comment part is being flooded by atheists’ rant. I have just read that there is a group of atheist in America exchanging porno magazine for Bible. You really are wicked as the Bible says, you cannot hide it for long.

    Psa 14:1
    The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

    And by the way, there are people who profess they know God

    Tit 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

    Not because a soldier hit you with a gun, you will curse the whole Armed forces of America. Not because you have bought a fake Windows Vista software somewhere in China, will you curse Bill Gates when your pc get infected by a virus.

    Atheists exchanging porno magazine for Bible is a desperate move to pollute the minds of the people. Challenge me and Ill show you the evidence.

    Fools…

  9. Sekularista says:

    @elmantheman,

    To answer your questions, I have no expectations when I die.

    And I am not questioning why God doesn’t answer a sick man’s prayer, I am merely stating that prayer is generally ineffective as a cure.

    Lets assume for one moment that God does exist and that he is as omnipotent and omniscient as many claim he is. Then why pray? If he knows that you need to be cured, why do you need to ask?

    Putting it in a human context, assume that there is someone with the power to cure your illness. Assume that such an illness is causing you great pain and grief. He knows that. And all he asks is that you bow to him and pray.

    Sounds like a power trip to me…..

  10. Sekularista says:

    @alvin,

    Please show the evidence. Provide the link so we can all discuss your statements intelligently without bias or slurs.

    To generalize and say that all atheists are evil reeks of racism. By that logic, I should similarly generalize that all priests are child abusers….

  11. sherwin says:

    to sekularista..

    i think your logic is very bad.

  12. jet says:

    To Jenny,

    1. You said, “Oh c’mon… medical science is not perfect and human bodies vary greatly…It is sad bad luck I’m afraid. ”

    There you go. A fish is really caught through its own mouth. Medicine is not perfect. Right! In fact, not all diseases known to the world today have a cure.

    I believe the bible when it said:

    Matthew 5:48  Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

    Yes, the human bodies really vary greatly. And it is not bad luck. You should really be afraid because that just shows how great the Creator is and how high His ways and thoughts are from that of man.

    Isaiah 55:9  For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

    His way is perfect. He is just, right, of truth and without inequity.

    Deuteronomy 32:4  He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

    …a buckler to all them that trust in Him.

    2 Samuel 22:31 As for God, his way is perfect; the word of the LORD is tried: he is a buckler to all them that trust in him.

    2. You said, “Unfair but perhaps less disgusting than the alternative – this person was more deserving to live than the other, this person had more peopel praying for them than the other. “That person’s child was more worthy to live than yours and so god let your child die. Sorry about that.”

    You should really feel sorry for yourself by thinking this way. The God in the bible is a no-nonsense God unlike athiests. You just need to search for reasons rather than questioning Him outright and thinking that He is imaginary.

    a. One reason would be that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

    Isaiah 57:1  ¶The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

    b. Another reason would be that man corrupted his way upon the earth.

    Genesis 6:12  And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

    For example, it is never the will of God for man to get many wives for himself for lust. And when he does, he contracts many diseases. And one of these is AIDS, which has no absolute cure even up to this date of writing. The he dies. Can you blame God for that?

    3. You asked, “And if all medicene is god’s intervention then why has medicene improve in the last 3,000 years?

    You see, if you will just think for a while. Why did God prohibit the Israelites to eat fat then?

    Leviticus 3:17  It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood.

    …that it is His?

    Leviticus 3:16  And the priest shall burn them upon the altar: it is the food of the offering made by fire for a sweet savour: all the fat is the LORD’S.

    …when He is neither worshipped with men’s hands as though He needed anything?

    Acts 17:25  Neither is worshipped with men’s hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

    ***You see, only in this latter part of man’s history that we found out how dangerous fat can be to the body if taken in large amounts and the ways to cure diseases related to it. But during their time, there were no intensive knowledge regarding it compared today.

    This is just a proof of how intelligent and full of love the Creator really is.

    It is part of the prophecies in the bible that in the time of the end, knowledge shall be increased.

    Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

  13. inside man says:

    to post #2 you mean the life expectancy improves today

    because of advances of medicine? It applies only to those

    who can afford to use and buy it, but this is the real truth.

    Life expectancy fall on all human mankind as the whole

    present generation compare to time of biblical character

    long time ago they can live hundreds of years as

    Mathusalem and others, but now there are many

    contributing factors like pollution, lack of nutrients food,

    sweets etc. etc. maybe you check the world statistics for life

    expectancy for all the countries and you will find out.

    But the most important thing if you really believe in God, he

    can prolong your life, because you will have limit to evil

    things that will lead you to self destruction..and always

    listen to bro. eli so you will find out the real truth about

    God..

  14. jet says:

    To Sekularista,

    1. You asked,”If that is the logic, then let me ask the same question in a different form: if an ardent believer had prayed devoutly to a god, and that god didn’t save his limb, shouldn’t that be evidence that a god doesn’t exist?

    For believers, that just proves all the more that there is really God according to the bible because:

    Deuteronomy 32:39  ¶See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

    You know, whenever I get cut or wounded for whatever reasons, I thank God for it. Because He said it Himself. He wounds. It just shows that there is really Someone higher than man Who created everything we see and not.

    But for fools like athiests, who believe that there is no God according to the bible,

    Psalms 14:1  ¶> The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

    …it stirs their mind up to question Someone they do not believe to exist. How impertinent!

    2. You said, “The human body is a complex organism, with so many possible factors that can explain why it is not functioning well. But consider this, without the scientific method, we would not have antibiotics or any sort of innoculation.”

    The fact that the human body is a complex organism should make an intelligent person believe that there is Someone higher than him Who created it.

    You should also consider that without God, who created man, with scientific methods known to him, there wouldn’t really be all these known antibiotics today.

    3. You said, “As it is, science has the best track record in saving human lives. Not religion. Not superstition.”

    If this is true, do not forget that science also has the best record in killing human lives also. Did not the atomic bombs come into what it is now because of science? Think of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, of the two world wars. How many people died there and then because of the science in making bombs, gun powder, etc…?

    If only those people feared God, who created man, that wouldn’t have happened.

  15. susan gutierrez says:

    the human body is a complex organism, even science could not fully understand. human bodies vary greatly??? the anatomy is the same(the location of each & everyone’s parts inside-out)!!!! science has the best track record in saving human lives?!?!? haven’t you read the data on how many deaths(young & old) yearly due to illnesses..or medical findings that are very discouraging? i could go on & on & on……pick up the BIBLE & read DEUT.32:39/HEB.9:27…. …………………..back then,my family & i could not understand why my niece died at age 5. the disease she was supposed to be protected from, took her life(she had the inoculation 4 yrs. earlier). or, when my brother(a health buff) had a heart attack at age 24 & died after a day in the hospital….ang many more acquaintances being a caregiver…but, when i came to know the GOD of the BIBLE….all questions & fears vanished!!!!my point is in the Book of PROV. 28:5……………….and ohh! do you know that a certain Dr. Mc. Miller said that on the 8th day after a child’s birth is the perfect day for circumcission?…yes my dears…more than 3,000. yrs ago it was already written in the BIBLE(GEN.17:12/LEV.12:3)!!!!

  16. inside man says:

    to post # 3
    it proves the miraculous deeds of God’s to a person who

    truly believe in him, if God know that you will improve and

    you have the chance for repentance referring to people

    capable of believing, as written in Deut. 32:29 quoted by

    bro. eli, death comes to every human being no matter who

    he is in different acts, form etc, but it is still death even it is

    brutal murder even your beheaded..

    Modern medical science can help the sick but not all the

    time, there are many events happen that a 50/50 person or

    hopeless cases that doctors encounter base on their

    analysis it will not live longer but still live longer,

    I had a neighbor named Ka itring she’s an old single

    woman, got cancer of womb ( year 1995 i guess ) ( inside

    the stomach ) in Pampanga the doctor said to her, she had

    1 year to live ( several doctors examine her just to make

    sure ), as expected also by families they buy her memorial,

    tomb and raise pigs for preparation of foods for visitors

    etc..in short full preparation..

    But miraculously happen the old woman healed and live un

    til now and what can u say about it?

    Rather the groups of doctors fail with their modern

    knowledge or God’s miracle? so the power of God never

    fails it keeps going on and on until it will come back to you

    again for you to feel him inside your heart and you will shed

    your tears into repentance..ask bro eli..and stick

    around..yah..

  17. Jenny says:

    I apologise if I appear to be ranting, I was not aware that I was. Bro Eli’s blogs are very interesting and raise questions in my mind which it seemed appropriate to ask. I do mean to offend, just consider possibilities.

    As for the questions of death – I am not scared. Death is the end, you do not exist just as before you were born you did not exist. There is nothing to be frightend of.

    Life is short, very short indeed, and so it should be lived to the absolute fullness of joy. This does not mean hedonism – headonism ultimately only brings pain. It means seeking out knowledge and understanding and love wherever you can find it and appreciating the amazing beauty all around you and the incredible luck you have just to be alive for the tiny length of time you are alive.

    If all you do is live for the hope of eternal life in the world to come aren’t you in danger of missing out on the incredible life you definately have right here and now?

  18. WOLVeRINE! says:

    TO JENNY,

    U WERE SAYING THAT YOUR NOT AFRAID TO DIE?
    WELL I JUST HOPE THAT YOU ARE STILL GONNA BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WHEN THAT COMES.GOOD LUCK TO THAT!

    LET ME JUST TELL YOU THAT U CAN STILL APPRECIATE THE BEAUTY AROUND YOU AT THE SAME TIME HOPE FOR ETERNAL LIFE YOU KNOW.

    U SEE, IM STILL ABLE TO APPRECIATE THE BEAUTY AROUND ME, EXPERIENCING GOOD THINGS IN LIFE AS YOU ARE AND AT THE SAME AM STILL ABLE TO HOPE FOR THAT ETERNAL LIFE AFTER DEATH.

    SO THAT’S THE REAL BEAUTY OF IT ENJOYING BOTH WORLDS AT THE SAME TIME.WELL AS FOR YOU, ITS GONNA BE THE END OF THE ROAD WHEN U DIE, SO U BETTER START TOURING THE WORLD NOW, EAT ALL THE YUMIEST FOOD YOU CAN GET,BOND WITH YOUR MONKEY ANCESTORS,LAUGH PLAY WITH THEM.MAKE THE MOST OUT OF IT.

    ENJOY IT WHILE IT LAST!

  19. Tony Santos says:

    Dear Jenny,

    It’s really saddening to read erroneous statements from people who doesn’t even understand what they say because of not knowing the Holy Scriptures nor God’s power..

    You said: “Death is the end, you do not exist just as before you were born you did not exist. There is nothing to be frightend of.”

    Your statement even strongly affirms that Death is not the end! Why? Imagine, from being non-existent, you came into existence! Wouldn’t it be more possible for you to live again because your existence already occured? More to that, there is God who can make and will make it happen!

    You should therefore be afraid because there is much more reason for God to let you live again to face all the consequences and evil that you have spoken of against Him. Be wise and be not unwise because this is what fools do according to the Bible:

    Ecclesiastes 8:11 – “Because sentence against evil work is not executed spedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil”

    You will definitely be accountable for every word that you say as what the Bible says:

    Matthew 12:36-37 – “But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account in the day of judgement. For in by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned

    That is one reason you should be frightened of. The mere fact that humans have the feeling of fright only proves that there is a God whom you should really be afraid of. You should learn the proper way of how and to whom you should use it. The Bible says:

    Ecclesiastes 12:13 – “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

    It’s a pity to see that you really do not know what you are saying. On that day, you will definitely remember the things that Bro. Eli have reminded and said about God, our Creator!

  20. Jenny says:

    Apols if this post appears directly under my other one – lots of new posts from you interesting people have appeared since I worte that.

    In particular to #12 Jet, thank you for such a long reply. Unfortunately i still don’t understand you people. Leviticus contains some good no-nonsense health and hygiene regulations – Moses (or God) was obviously on the ball when it came to keeping the tribes of Israel alive. I’ve read it: it’s interesting.

    However the guidance in Leviticus is rather different from modern medicene. To say modern meidcene is imperfect is not to say that it should be disregarded in favour of god’s healing power. God is perfect, so you say, and yet people still die horribly and unjustly. Medicene is imperfect, it does not stop all deaths, and ultimately it does not stop any deaths: we all die. What is does do is improve the life expectancy and quality of life of millions of people the world over.

    My earlier example of the leper was not an idle one. Leprosy has caused untold misery throughout the world for thousands of years. In the poorest regions it still does. But modern science has allowed us to look at this horrible disease and realise that it is caused by a baciterium. A bacterium that is easily treated with antibiotics.

    Suddenly a person who would a century ago have lived the life of an outcast and die a tortuous death can be treated quickly and easily and go on to live a long and happy life. God’s miraculous intervention or the luck to be born in a century where we have penicilin?

    All I am saying is: pray if you want and if it makes you feel better but the thing that actually cures people is good medicene and good care.

    And that is the point that the original question Bro. Eli was responding to was trying to make: why doesn’t god heal amputees? Answer: he can’t, because currently medicene can’t.

  21. rock says:

    If God’s mercy I am deserving of eternal life promise by God to those who love Him, I can say that I am a successful person and perhaps, I will not missing out the incredible life I have now. Why? Because it will be true happiness.

    They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
    Revelation 7:16-17

    And eternal life prepared by God is surprise.

    But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
    I Corinthians 2:9

  22. inside man says:

    to post #17

    if your happy go lucky person enjoying life in this earth,

    without carrying someone’s burden, you just like animals

    live on the wilderness eat and run, playing around, and

    after that death comes, but who’s person knoweth

    tommorrow? Ecle. 6:12,

    but if you guided by true church and real messenger of God

    no worries and harm to your life in this earth..it is more

    surprisingly amazing if you live by it rather than live by

    yourself, if you encounter any kind of problems its easy for

    you to overcome,,you will truly find rest of souls..Jer. 6:16

    but if you choose to live by yourself your prone to evil

    bacterias,viruses that pleasure to the flesh but lead you to

    self destruction or death..

    The death, it is a being / a spirit many people afraid of it

    because it’s vises of satan for you to fear it and ur belief

    will mislead to God, but in real essence of it, death by flesh

    is the achievements like a graduation of Christian, and

    death from satan will cast into lake of fire, Rev. 20:14..

    Just hang on if you believe in scriptures, ask bro eli..

  23. EYES says:

    To be amputees is cause by accident and negligence.

    Man by nature is made perfect and complete except from the truth that he will become weaker through time.

    Any ejection in any part of our body and the remaining whole part of our body still have an abilty to cure itself and adopt, then why we don’t credit it.

    This is just only mean that as long as you have life then you are useful.

    Just look at the trees, cut his branches and still it has a purposes and live. But if the trees is not living, it is better to cut his entire body and put it in our burner and cook.

    It is mean that GOD give a man his flesh to care, to do goodness for his glory but it does mean that if you are amputees then you are not already useful.

    And that’s the aswer why GOD heal amputees.

    EYES

  24. education says:

    These irrefutable truth refreshes the souls of those who set their hope to GOD ALMIGHTY in CHRIST.

    More Power to you brother eli

    GOD Bless in CHRIST

  25. Sekularista says:

    Before everyone makes rash conclusions, I suggest that people look at FACTS. Not sayings nor personal anecdotes. But FACTS. Do some research and readings outside of the Bible.

    @Susan Gutierrez, on your statement that “science has the best track record in saving human lives?!?!? haven’t you read the data on how many deaths(young & old) yearly due to illnesses..or medical findings that are very discouraging?”

    You cannot attribute the deaths caused by illness to medicine or science. In fact, without medicine, more and more people would have died. Without the discoveries of people like Louis Pasteur and Wilhem Rontgen, our species would still persist at a life expectancy of below 40.

    Put it another way. The bible has existed for two centurues. Guess what was the average life expectancy during Roman times? It was 28 years. Fast forward to the end of the 19th century. Guess what was the average life expectancy at that time? It was 37.

    At about that time, Pasteur began his work with microorganisms. Rontgen discovered X-rays. In 1903, the electrocardiograph was invented. At around 1928, Fleming discovered Penicillin. In the early 1930s scientists in Nazi Germany definitively linked smoking to lung-cancer, leading to the most aggressive anti-smoking campaign ever. The first pacemaker arrived in 1957. In 1967, the first heart transplant was performed. 1973 we find the first CAT scan. Starting 1979, mothers could see their unborn child and doctors could detect infant abnormalities through ultrasound.

    And thus, at the end of the 20th century, what was the life expectancy? In US it’s 77 years old. In China it’s 71. India it’s 64.

    I would contrast this to the way the the early Christian clergy had reacted to the Black Plague. Christians targeted various groups such as Jews, friars, foreigners, beggars, pilgrims, lepers and gypsies, thinking that they were somehow to blame for the crisis. Lepers, and other individuals with skin diseases such as acne or psoriasis, were singled out and exterminated throughout Europe. Anyone with leprosy was believed to show an outward sign of a defect of the soul. Jews were charged with having provoked the Plague through their unbelief and sinfulness. Differences in cultural and lifestyle practices between Jews and Christians also led to persecution.

    Bear in mind that this Black Plague claimed over 75 million lives.

    Without the advances of medical science, we would still be allowing clergy men to drill holes in our skulls

    And how is this Bubonic plague treated? Did the Bible point us to the solution? Nope. If you want to know how this was tackled, I suggest you all look up Vladimir Havkin through whatever means you feel fit to do your own research.

    I would agree that people can find solace and comfort through the bible and through prayer. I am not discounting that. But when your infant child is struck with illness, where do you go? To a priest or to a doctor?

  26. Sekularista says:

    @jet,

    “If this is true, do not forget that science also has the best record in killing human lives also. Did not the atomic bombs come into what it is now because of science? Think of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, of the two world wars. How many people died there and then because of the science in making bombs, gun powder, etc…?

    If only those people feared God, who created man, that wouldn’t have happened.”

    Ok. Lets do a comparison. Deaths through atomic bomb in Hiroshima is 60,000. In Nagasaki it’s 70,000.

    Now lets compare this with the number of deaths caused by religious persecution. Let’s see—the 30 years war was caused by a conflict between Catholics and Prostentants and it wiped out about 10-20 percent of the German population. Hmmm—Nazi Germany wiped out 5 million Jews. I also suggest you look up on the Inquisition and Crusades.

    The fact is: science has saved lives as well. Can anyone point to me any statistic that shows that prayer and bible-belief have saved lives? If people will claim that bible-belief makes people good and moral, I also would like to say that there are atheists, Buddhists, and Hindu believers that are also people of good moral character.

    I don’t believe it is about being God-fearing. It is all about being a humanist. Being a good person who cares about other people. Being a person who is “God-fearing” reminds me of a child who is only good because his parents are around.

    • tazHall says:

      I can’t speak for all Christians, but I personally want to love others because I now see others the way God does. How valuable they are, even if they are missing a limb, unborn, living in a coma, mentally disabled, etc. I love out of gratitude for what Jesus did for me, and even for people who turn their backs to him. Not because someone is breathing down my neck.

      And I’m open to all possibilities of healing. Thing is, a lot of U.S. Christians might be afraid to pray for something so drastic for fear of nay-sayers poo pooing them when it doesn’t happen instantly like a magic trick. A lot more of the radical stuff seems to be happening in overseas missions.

      But note that miracles and healing are for the purpose of God’s glory. Miracles are not a dime a dozen unless people are consistent and will dare to believe and set aside their pride.

      Taz

  27. jet says:

    To Jenny,

    1. You said, “As for the questions of death – I am not scared. Death is the end, you do not exist just as before you were born you did not exist. There is nothing to be frightend of.”

    You know, christians in the bible are not of afraid of the death, too. But only that which is appointed by God. The difference is, after that, there is a judgement.

    Hebrews 9:27  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

    If death is the end, how unfortunate are the fate of those who are unable to find justice here on earth. Think of the convicted but innocent inmates in prison who cannot avail of a descent lawyer because they are poor. This is a fact that no one can deny. How about those people whose rights are being ignored by the society, the mistreated minorities, etc…? I know you know what I mean.

    If there is no judgement, then let us like be those people who do evil things. If that is the case, why not become drug dealers, fornicators, murderers, bank robbers, etc… as well?

    Maybe only for reasons that you do not want to be apprehended by the law of the land while you are still alive

    But when you die, why not because of Justice?

    I can feel somehow, that even if you doubt the existence of God, you are not inclined to do bad things to your fellows, unlike those atheist who exchange pornos for bible, according to Bro. Alvin Matias.

    The fact in the bible that there is really indeed an eternal life, which God promised to those who will diligently follow His will to the end, should give man hope.

    And according to the bible, in that eternity, there will be no more thirst, hunger, sadness, etc… but joy, etc…

    Think of it.

  28. elmantheman says:

    Let’s laugh to that, rock!

    We live here on earth, living in full uncertainty.

    But that was before.

    We laugh to our heart’s content without hypocrisy. We are certain to the everlasting life God promised because he cannot lie.

    I am a homosexual, not because I only want to have sex with my same gender, but because I prefer and I like them. I am gay. I cannot compare the feeling, the emotion that I keep, that sometimes slips from its shelves. I do not like girls the way I like them. But I know my limitations now. But it is a heavy burden for me to ignore that feeling of longing, desire, and “love” that some thought can extinguish the fire within, that I once thought too, or even now, which satan keeps on putting on my head.

    How can I laugh to that? How can I have a genuine laugh?

    God is now running my life.

    Now that I found God, I appreciated more what He has been saying all along: “Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest,” Matthew 11:28.

    Lastly, may I ask you sekularista and jenny to laugh to all your heart’s content.

    Hyporcrites!

    Yes, laughter is still the best medicine, a genuine laughter, that is! A medicine you cannot find in penicilin, drugs, sex, atheists and the like. You can only have it under God’s refuge.

    • tazHall says:

      Elman, can I say I give you mad props for your confession? It gives others hope that they too confess their issues.

      I’ve been a Christian 5 years now and I’ve found out just recently that God can fill the gaps and desires that we long for so badly; to be loved. He is greater than the sexuality he created and he can supernaturally override them when we find our rest in him. The problem is, a lot of people settle for a shallow forms of churchianity, they never fully rest in the presence of God and feast on his faithfulness (Isaiah 30:15). He’s the lover of our souls and the desire of nations. And he’s the Father I’ve always wanted.

      I may not have the same issue, but lust has haunted me like the plague. . . . it’s soooo strong sometimes, and it’s incredibly shameful. And when I give in I feel so devastated like I’ve disappointed God, but even in the middle of it, he reminds me he loves me and is committed to my restoration. Every time I find my satisfaction in our God, our Refuge, he is an all sufficient Saviour. He is available for the tempted and the tried. I just pray he only continues to fill you with his spirit and fill you up. What you deal with is nothing that is not common to man. Read Paul’s letters to the churches. A lot of people there dealt with homosexuality among many other things.

      I hope I don’t sound presumptuous in any way. Be blessed always *now my eyes are tearing up. . .*

      Taz

  29. elmantheman says:

    Sekularista, please, we will not accept your assumptions about God.

    You have been describing God the wrong way, the reason why your conclusions results to anguish to the point of disbelief in God’s existence.

    Is he omnipotent? Can he lie? Is he omniscient? Can he do everything? Maybe the god that those persons you heard can do all this fables, as the god you describe exists in the mind of the unbeliever and the anti-christ!

    I learned one thing, if you want to know God, read the bible.

    Because the bible was written by man under the divine guidance of God. That is the reason why it contains all the logical, rational, scientific answers about God. Those things that we do not know about God is also explained there, even why the sinners are not yet punished yet.

    Please do not be ungrateful of God’s patience because He’s patience is uncomparable to that of ours. It is undescribable!

    Atheist have one in common, they want to rationalize without mentioning or including the things of God.

    I disregarded the definition about God made by so many scholars and the like, because should they have been right, they will rebuke people calling them Pope, Pastor, god and the like. They will no allow catholic children sleeping
    a foot away from the Catholic Churches’ walls, an example is that in Quiapo, Manila in the Philippines. If they know the true God who gave them the word freely, they will not allow corrupt officials to donate, nor they will accept monetary donations from non believers, even payment for baptism, confirmation, marriage, prayer for the soul. If we are talking of one god then there is no confusion inside the church but organized thoughts, understanding, one faith, one hope and the like.

    Sekularista, maybe after learning about the True God, you will know that an amputee Christian will not pray to God to grow him another leg! A True Christian will ardently pray that God guides his path even if his leg gone, he will not fall in one way or another in terms of commandments, til the coming back of Jesus Christ and gives him the promise of the uncorruptible body.

    Let us not rebut here the way we learned in College just to prove a point. In college, we do not care whether we lie making sure that we have a basis of a lie and present it as the truth. Because after that, it is just a lie used in just a game of debate.

    Debate, the christian way, always take into consideration the soul of those who are listening.

    Without this attitude of concern, no wonder why atheist speaks foolishly. They have nothing to lose.

  30. elmantheman says:

    Please do not be ungrateful of God’s patience because He’s patience is incomparable to that of ours. It is undescribable!

  31. rock says:

    To: Secularista

    You said:
    “Now lets compare this with the number of deaths caused by religious persecution. Let’s see—the 30 years war was caused by a conflict between Catholics and Prostentants and it wiped out about 10-20 percent of the German population. Hmmm—Nazi Germany wiped out 5 million Jews. I also suggest you look up on the Inquisition and Crusades.”

    Are you believing that Catholics and Protestants are Christians? I am sorry to tell that they are not Christians. They kill people. Killing people is against the commandment of God. They are not following the doctrines of Lord Jesus Christ. This the real Christians:

    A Christian is defined in the Bible as a disciple or follower of Christ.

    (John 12:26) “If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour”

    Further, a true disciple is someone who continues in Christ’s words.

    (John 8:31) “Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed…”

    Watched or alone, a true disciple continues to follow the ‘word’.

    (Philippians 2:12) “Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.”

    http://esoriano.wordpress.com/2007/06/18/the-revelation-of-the-great-mystery-of-husband-and-wife/

    Lastly, Christians don’t wrestle in flesh and blood like Catholics and Protestants do. But Christian wrestle in this way:

    For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
    Ephesians 6:12

    And this is true: If only those people feared God, who created man, that wouldn’t have happened.” (Killings of human lives by people who do not feaR God). Fearing and loving God is keeping his commandments:

    Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
    Ecclesiastes 12:13

    If ye love me, keep my commandments.
    John 14:15

    There is a commandment of God. Thou shalt not kill.
    Exodus 20:13

    If only all human beings shall follow all the doctrines of our Lord, what peaceful world should it be and policemen shall no longer be needed. But because of so many inventions by men (including Science), it killed so many lives and up to now.

    Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
    Ecclesiastes 7:29

  32. WOLVeRINE! says:

    TO SEKULARISTA,

    YOU WERE SUGGESTING TO LOOK AT FACTS, RYT?

    HAVE YOU BOTHERD TO EXAMINE THE BIG BANG THEORY OR HOW ABOUT THE CHARLES DARWIN THEORY?

    FACTS? YAH RYT! VERY FACTUAL INDEED!!

    WHAT’S THE LATEST ON THAT ELUSIVE MISSING LINK? ARE THERE ANY GENUINE FOSSILS SO FAR? NOT TO MENTION THE MADE UP FAKE FOSSILS THAT SPRANG OUT BEFORE.

  33. Sekularista says:

    @elmantheman,

    “Sekularista, please, we will not accept your assumptions about God.

    You have been describing God the wrong way, the reason why your conclusions results to anguish to the point of disbelief in God’s existence.

    Is he omnipotent? Can he lie? Is he omniscient? Can he do everything? Maybe the god that those persons you heard can do all this fables, as the god you describe exists in the mind of the unbeliever and the anti-christ!”

    Then please share your definition and assumptions of god.

    If I may, I don’t think people will argue that the common defintion is that he is perfect, omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent.

    Now, there is a saying in the Bible that says “Ask and you shall receive.” Then by that logic, if a man with an amputated limb prays for a new leg, why doesn’t it grow back? If a million people pray for his amputated limb to grow, why doesn’t it grow back?

    Maybe there is a hidden clause somewhere that says: “Ask and you shall receive, except where God sees fit to reject your request.” But there’s none! In his omniscience and perfection, shouldn’t he have given clearer instructions? Did he forget to put it in the bible? No, wait, he can’t forget because he is omniscient!

    Innocent children die everyday. Many of them are kidnapped and abused. If you had the power to save the life of a child, won’t you use that power to do it? If you see the suffering of your own child, won’t you do everything in your power to save your child? That is what a parent does, right? Yet, God in his ominipotency, chooses not to do it, despite the prayers of many people. Doesn’t this seem illogical?

  34. rock says:

    To: Secularista

    You said:
    Maybe there is a hidden clause somewhere that says: “Ask and you shall receive, except where God sees fit to reject your request.” But there’s none! In his omniscience and perfection, shouldn’t he have given clearer instructions? Did he forget to put it in the bible? No, wait, he can’t forget because he is omniscient!

    Are you sure God is omniscient? Do you have any basis? Can you give me verse in the Bible that tell God is Omniscient?

    God is not omniscient. In fact in the Bible, you can read this:

    And they have built the high places of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded not, neither came it into my mind.
    Jeremiah 7:31

    The verse tells us that God did not think or expect the children of Judah would do such evil or wickedness. God is really not omniscient. Nowhere in the Bible you can find God is omniscient.

  35. jet says:

    To Sekularista,

    1. You said, “Ok. Lets do a comparison. Deaths through atomic bomb in Hiroshima is 60,000. In Nagasaki it’s 70,000.”

    a. Amazingly, I think you are contradicting your holy wikipedia with that comparison. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima_bombing

    According to it, as many as 140,000 in hiroshima, and roughly 74, 000 in Nagasaki. You missed!

    b. How about the two world wars? According to your holy wikipedia again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_war_1

    WW1 – More than nine million soldiers and civilians died. (>9,000,000)
    WW2 – Estimates for the total casualties of the war vary, but most suggest that some 60 million people died in the war, including about 20 million soldiers and 40 million civilians (+-60,000,000).

    Don’t forget that, and all other wars, because of the science of making bombs, gun powder, etc…brought about by man for REASONS SUCH AS THOSE.

    2. You said, “Now lets compare this with the number of deaths caused by religious persecution. Let’s see—the 30 years war was caused by a conflict between Catholics and Prostentants and it wiped out about 10-20 percent of the German population. Hmmm—Nazi Germany wiped out 5 million Jews. I also suggest you look up on the Inquisition and Crusades.”

    That is another case. What they had and have was and is not the God in the bible. They do not really fear Him. Although they claim to be, but their deeds deny them.

    Titus 1:16  They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

    Now, if you have read the bible, for you to doubt it and God’s existence, think of these catholics and protestants if they really fit the words of God in the bible first, before you use them as your evidence. If you haven’t, I suggest you do read the book in its entirety, and by then, you compare these people.

    3. You said, “The fact is: science has saved lives as well. Can anyone point to me any statistic that shows that prayer and bible-belief have saved lives? ”

    You are after the statistics that we should present, when you, yourself did not even study yours first. The fact is, you missed above. Be careful!

    But since you believe your science more than the bible, haven’t you ever come accross conditions where science has no cure at all and patients for some reasons science is unaware of, are healed? To what will you attribute that other than science? Luck? Or co-incidence maybe? Or, just to nothing? Or to science still even if it has no cure?

    4. You said, “If people will claim that bible-belief makes people good and moral, I also would like to say that there are atheists, Buddhists, and Hindu believers that are also people of good moral character.”

    Although I do not think that atheists can be compared together with the others that you mentioned in this case for obvious reasons, well, according to the bible:

    1 Corinthians 5:13  But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

    But remember:

    1 Corinthians 1:19  For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

    Romans 1:25  Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    …if you know what I mean.

    5. You said, “It is all about being a humanist. Being a good person who cares about other people. ”

    According to the bible;

    Jeremiah 17:5  ¶Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.

    6. You said, ““God-fearing” reminds me of a child who is only good because his parents are around.”

    For the mother of harlots and her children, yes. But for the people of God in the bible, no.

    Philippians 2:12  ¶Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

    7. I’d rather believe in the bible.

  36. susan gutierrez says:

    unbelievers,

    don’t be confused(i know u are). the BIBLE is not against science. in fact, science, history, archaeology will prove the accuracy of the BIBLE!!!
    1) a. scientific proof=early men believe that the earth is flat. this was proven wrong, when, in 1969, the Apollo 11 astronauts took photos of the earth. but, 2,700. yrs ago it was written in ISA.40:22 &JOB 26:7 that the earth is round..b. Dr. Miller said that 8th day is the perfect day for circumcission ‘coz of less blood..GEN.17:12/ LEV.12:3……
    2). historical=a.there is no Assyrian king in history, but there is in the BIBLE(ISA.20:1/2KINGS 17:6). an expidition in Khosabad, found the ruins of the MAGNIFICENT PALACE of KING SARGON w/ inscriptions regarding his rule! Reader’s Digest 1900’s….b. historians said, that Pontius Pilate existed only in the BIBLE & on vague history of the Romans & Jews. an Italian expidition in 1961 in Cesaria found the ruins of an old Roman Theater.. “CEASARIENSIBUS TIBERIUM PONTIUS PILATUS PRAEFECTUS JUDAEAE”. it was already written bet.61-98A.D.(ACTS4:27 & JN. 19:13-16)…….
    3). a. archaeological=LUKE 2:1/3:1 & ACTS 18:2=3 Caesars governed(0-61AD) whose busts are displayed in a museum in Rome………..
    b. a 1,749. ft. tunnel carved thru solid rock to protect the water supply during the reign of King Hezekiah was found……..again, 2KINGS20:20, 2CHRO.32:30, ISA.38..and many more……..
    Nelson Glueck(archaeologist) said:”it maybe stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has controverted BIBLICAL references. and scores of archaeological findings proved the TRUTH in the BIBLE”…Mr. Biberfield said:”only the BIBLE acct. proved to be correct.”

    AMEN!

    FACT or FICTION?

    And ohh by the way…WRITINGS IN THE BIBLE DATES BACK 3,520. YRS AGO!!!

  37. jet says:

    To Jenny,

    1. You said, “In particular to #12 Jet, thank you for such a long reply. Unfortunately i still don’t understand you people. ”

    Well, not me. You really cannot understand by yourself alone.

    Jeremiah 10:23  O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

    2. You said, “To say modern meidcene is imperfect is not to say that it should be disregarded in favour of god’s healing power.”

    I did not disregard medicine that way. I take some myself. What I was trying to point out is that medicine, in which you believe more than God, is unable to give cure to all known diseases in the world today.

    3. You said,”God is perfect, so you say, and yet people still die horribly and unjustly.”

    Does it necessarily make God imperfect then when people die horribly and unjustly? I have already cited examples and reasons of why people die according to the bible, right? But let me paste them again anyway.

    a. One reason would be that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come. Isn’t that good?

    Isaiah 57:1 ¶The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.

    b. Another reason would be that man corrupted his way upon the earth. Is God to blame for this?

    Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

    For example, it is never the will of God for man to get many wives for himself for lust. And when he does, he contracts many diseases. And one of these is AIDS, which has no absolute cure even up to this date of writing. The he dies. Can you blame God for that?

    Isn’t this justice?

  38. rock says:

    God is perfect. He gave us the Bible to instruct us on how we must live in this perilous world

    All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. –II Timothy 3:16-17

    But many people are unscrupulous that they (including Atheists) give their own interpretation of the Bible. Let the Bible interprets on it’s own.

    2PETER 1:20 “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any PRIVATE INTERPRETATION.

    This is my unsolicited advice, if you (Atheists) want to inquire about God, go to the Seer. Ask Bro. Eli Soriano and the Bible will answer.

    (Formerly in Israel, when a man went to inquire of God, thus he spoke, Come, and let us go to the seer: for he that is now called a Prophet was formerly called a Seer. )
    I Samuel 9:9

  39. susan gutierrez says:

    thank you jenny “for not understanding us, because we are an interesting people”!!!!!……MARK 4:11-12.
    my sisterly advise to you(so u can be like us)?…. continue to listen to Bro Eli, w/ a BIBLE at hand……….
    PROV.1:23………….before this would happen………….24-31.

    “MGA KAPATID HWAG NATIN SILANG TANTANAN PARA MABUKSAN DIN ANG KANILANG MGA ISIPAN”

  40. jet says:

    To Sekularista,

    1. You said, “Before everyone makes rash conclusions, I suggest that people look at FACTS. Not sayings nor personal anecdotes. But FACTS. Do some research and readings outside of the Bible. ”

    Look who’s talking? Facts. You or wikipedia? Research outside the bible? I already did. But which is really which?

    “You said, “Ok. Lets do a comparison. Deaths through atomic bomb in Hiroshima is 60,000. In Nagasaki it’s 70,000.”

    a. Amazingly, I think you are contradicting your holy wikipedia with that comparison. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshima_bombing

    According to it, as many as 140,000 in hiroshima, and roughly 74, 000 in Nagasaki. You missed!

    You must be astray from your facts and researches.”

    How dare you disprove God and the bible when you contradict your so-called facts and researches yourself?

    2. You said, “Put it another way. The bible has existed for two centurues. Guess what was the average life expectancy during Roman times? It was 28 years. Fast forward to the end of the 19th century. Guess what was the average life expectancy at that time? It was 37.”

    Why not consider Methuselah who lived for 969 years according to the bible?

    3. You said, “And thus, at the end of the 20th century, what was the life expectancy? In US it’s 77 years old. In China it’s 71. India it’s 64.”

    This just proves the authenticity of the bible the more, when it said that knowledge shall increase even to the time of the end.

    Daniel 12:4  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

    4. You said, “Differences in cultural and lifestyle practices between Jews and Christians also led to persecution. ”

    These are not the christians in the bible you are talking about. I am advising you to do some research on this as well.

    5. You said, “But when your infant child is struck with illness, where do you go? To a priest or to a doctor?”

    I do not go to the priest anymore, as I was once a catholic. What they do are abominations unto God according to the bible. Yes, I go to the doctor. But before, during, and after that, I always go to my God.

    Because:

    Job 12:9  Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?
    10  In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

    …including that of the doctor himself.

  41. elmantheman says:

    Is there really a clause when God promise something?

    i thinks so.

    But then sekularista, let’s wait for Bro Eli’s post when he tackles about the nature of God.

    I just want to know if you can accept reasons coming from the Holy Scriptures, the Holy Bible that is. Because we shall be reading the answers from the bible.

    And please be reminded that, when you say something about God’s capabilities, you need to prove first if He really is capable of it before you can conclude a scenario and analysis out of it.

  42. Sekularista says:

    @jet,

    1. Thanks for correcting me on the Hiroshima number. Yes you are correct that the count is 140,000.

    But you are still missing the point. Science does not kill. People do. And what’s important is the motivation people have to kill other people. How many people have been killed in the name of religion—and in the name of Christianity. Don’t also say that the Bible does not advocate genocide. Read Deuteronomy 13:6-15.

    2. You said: “That is another case. What they had and have was and is not the God in the bible. They do not really fear Him. Although they claim to be, but their deeds deny them.” How can you say that what they are doing is not because of the God in the bible? I suggest you study the history of the inquisition and the crusades. Again read the chapters of the Bible on killing infidels and enslaving them.

    3. On my question to present evidence and statistics that bible-belief and prayer has cured and saved lives, you did not present any. Instead you said: “You are after the statistics that we should present, when you, yourself did not even study yours first. The fact is, you missed above. Be careful! But since you believe your science more than the bible, haven’t you ever come accross conditions where science has no cure at all and patients for some reasons science is unaware of, are healed? To what will you attribute that other than science? Luck? Or co-incidence maybe? Or, just to nothing? Or to science still even if it has no cure?” First of all, people can naturally heal. Besides, even if they heal for no reason at all, there is no evidence that it can be attributed to bible-belief and prayer. So instead of answering my question with another rhetorical question, just focus on my question and give a straight answer.

    4. It appears that you think that non-believers are inherently evil because of their non-belief. But lets do an objective analysis. Compare the deaths and immoralities caused by atheistic beliefs versus those of the believers. Again, count those deaths that are caused by the Inquisition and the Crusades. Hitler invoked God and the Bible in his annihilation of the Jews. Don’t forget those who were killed as slaves, of which the Bible seems to advocate. Mind you as well that the Bible is virtually silent about child abuse.

    5. Hmmm…by that statement (Jeremiah 17:5 ¶Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD.), you will do what God says even if it harms fellow men?

    6. You said “I’d rather believe in the bible” just goes to show your closed-mindedness. Reminds me of a good line—“You may believe that God will save you but when you cross the street, you look both ways.”

    3. By quoting the life expectancy stats, the point I am making is not on the authenticity of the bible, but its usefulness. Tell me, when you study medicine, do the doctors use the bible as a reference to treat disease? When confronted with an ill patient, do they say, “Well, according to the chapter of Genesis and Exodus, his illness is….. CANCER!” I don’t think so.

  43. Sekularista says:

    More to Jet:

    1. You said: ” How dare you disprove God and the bible when you contradict your so-called facts and researches yourself?”

    As I said, you are correct. Which is the beauty of science and Wikipedia, it acknowledges where it makes mistakes and corrects itself. Can the Bible claim the same?

    2. You said, “Why not consider Methuselah who lived for 969 years according to the bible?”

    There is no evidence that Methuselah existed. Moreover, if he did exist, then he would have further skewed the life expectancy numbers and thus more people would have actually died at a younger age.

    3. You said, “This just proves the authenticity of the bible the more, when it said that knowledge shall increase even to the time of the end.”

    The point on why I raised the life expectancy statistics is to show that the Bible is practically useless in saving lives. If the Bible was a good medical reference book, then people would have lived longer during the Biblical times. Furthermore, have you ever seen a doctor, when confronted with a patient, whips out a Bible and declares, “Well, according to Exodus chapter and verse such-and-such, my diagnosis is ….. CANCER!”

    4. You said: “These are not the christians in the bible you are talking about. I am advising you to do some research on this as well.” How so? How can you tell if the christians in the 18th century are not the christians mentioned in the Bible?

    5. You said, “Yes, I go to the doctor. But before, during, and after that, I always go to my God.”

    so in other words, you don’t fully trust God in healing?

  44. Sekularista says:

    @susan gutierrez,

    Lame examples.

    You are cherry-picking the evidence. You are picking the passages that have already been verified by science and discarding those that contradict current findings. Lets stick with the classic examples. Creation of the universe in 6 days? Adam and Eve suddenly popped out?

    Where in the Bible can we find about relativity, quantum mechanics, the life cycle of a star, germ theory, genetics, the internet, computers, robotics, global warming, evolution, asteroids, quasars, red giants, neutron stars, stem cell research, and so on and so forth.

    Why can’t the bible make accurate predictions? For example, why can’t they say something like—“at the millionth decimal point, the digits of Pi are 5789323421.” Or something like that?

  45. jet says:

    To Sekularista,

    1. You said,”Thanks for correcting me on the Hiroshima number. Yes you are correct that the count is 140,000.

    But you are still missing the point. Science does not kill. People do. And what’s important is the motivation people have to kill other people. How many people have been killed in the name of religion—and in the name of Christianity. Don’t also say that the Bible does not advocate genocide. Read Deuteronomy 13:6-15.

    a. The point is you said this:

    “Before everyone makes rash conclusions, I suggest that people look at FACTS. Not sayings nor personal anecdotes. But FACTS. Do some research and readings outside of the Bible.”

    And the facts that you presented do not match. How do you think can I accept that?

    b. Yes, people kill. But what do they use to? SCIENCE! Have you also made a research as to how much the first world countries spend for their military RND? And mind you, these people are not really serving the God in the bible.

    c. But, look who is using the bible as reference now? He must have forgotten what Bro. Eli mentioned about estoppel!

    2. Again, these inquisitions and crusades were done by those people who were not really serving God in the bible. If you will just compare their practices, it is not in accordance with the bible.

    As to, “Again read the chapters of the Bible on killing infidels and enslaving them.”

    This time, these were really God’s chosen people. And those whom they killed were wicked people, serving other gods, and occupying God’s promised land for them.

    Like those people in the days of Noah, who were wicked, were destroyed by God. Even Him kills. And who are we to question God for that? He owns life.

    Deuteronomy 32:39  ¶See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

    3. You said, ” On my question to present evidence and statistics that bible-belief and prayer has cured and saved lives, you did not present any. ”

    I noticed atheists always ask for evidence for them to see and believe.

    a. I wonder if you people believe that you have a mind. If you do, I wonder if you can see it.

    b. I also wonder if you believe that you have a conscience. And if you, I wonder if you can see it.

    I know you do believe. But you don’t see it.

    4. You said, “First of all, people can naturally heal. Besides, even if they heal for no reason at all, there is no evidence that it can be attributed to bible-belief and prayer. So instead of answering my question with another rhetorical question, just focus on my question and give a straight answer.”

    If people can naturally heal, can you still attribute this to science? The fact that God owns life according to the bible, that healing should be attributed to Him, except for those who are ungrateful however.

    I say, countless.

    5. Statement #4 is already answered. These people you are were not really serving the God in the bible.

    But is you who said this, “It appears that you think that non-believers are inherently evil because of their non-belief.”

    Not me…it’s up to you if it is true.

    6. You asked, “you will do what God says even if it harms fellow men?”

    If I was born in the old testament times, and these people are wicked, and it is commanded by God, I would have done the same to show that I love my God more than men.

    But I am born in the new testament times of the bible, where it is commanded to love your enemy. If he is hungry, give him something to drink. If he is thristy, give him something to drink.

    7. You said, “You said “I’d rather believe in the bible” just goes to show your closed-mindedness. Reminds me of a good line—”You may believe that God will save you but when you cross the street, you look both ways.” ”

    This just really goes to show that I believe what the bible has to say than you. I have already known of your arguements and they are baseless, hypocritical, and impertinent.

    You see, the reason why I look both ways when I cross the street because it is still biblical.

    1 John 5:18  ¶We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

    In tagalog;

    Alam natin na ang sinumang ipinanganak ng Diyos ay hindi patuloy na nagkakasala; subalit ang ipinanganak ng Diyos ay nag-iingat sa kanyang sarili, at hindi siya ginagalaw ng masama.

    That is because, people of God takes good care of themselves, and the wicked touch them not.

    8. You said,”By quoting the life expectancy stats, the point I am making is not on the authenticity of the bible, but its usefulness. Tell me, when you study medicine, do the doctors use the bible as a reference to treat disease? When confronted with an ill patient, do they say, “Well, according to the chapter of Genesis and Exodus, his illness is….. CANCER!” I don’t think so.”

    Well, I should say, this is totally impertinent, like what all atheists have to say about God.

    Let me tell you the usefulness of the scriptures from the bible itself.

    2 Timothy 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    …hmmm, this must be the reason why atheists are not throughly furnished unto all good works.

    But let me tell you also what the bible has to say about the doctors.

    Job 12:10  In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

    …again, including that of the doctor himself.

    Little did you know, the doctor he has already prayed before coming to the hospital. :) Except for fools who says in their hearts that there is no God, of course.

    Psalms 14:1  ¶> The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

    …corrupt, abominable, none that does good.

    According to the bible. Not me…though I believe in it.

  46. jet says:

    More to Sekularista,

    1. You said, “As I said, you are correct. Which is the beauty of science and Wikipedia, it acknowledges where it makes mistakes and corrects itself. Can the Bible claim the same?”

    That is not beauty at all to believe in science and wikipedia when it commit mistakes.

    The bible does not need to correct itself, because according to it,

    Proverbs 8:8  All the words of my mouth are in righteousness; there is nothing froward or perverse in them.
    9  They are all plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge.

    …only to them that understand and find knowledge, unlike atheists who do not and have not.

    2. You said, “There is no evidence that Methuselah existed. Moreover, if he did exist, then he would have further skewed the life expectancy numbers and thus more people would have actually died at a younger age.”

    You see, this was in the time when men walked with God.

    Genesis 5:22  And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

    These statistics that you mentioned were when departed from God already. That is the difference.

    3. Statement #3 is already answered above in #8.

    4. You asked,”How so? How can you tell if the christians in the 18th century are not the christians mentioned in the Bible?

    This is exactly why I advised you to do some research on this.

    But anyways, so as not to prolong your agony. You know, people of God in the bible are prohibited to make and bow unto graven images, which these people do. That is how you can compare if these people you are talking about are really christians or not.

    I say, they are not christians.

    5. You asked, “You said, “Yes, I go to the doctor. But before, during, and after that, I always go to my God.”

    so in other words, you don’t fully trust God in healing?”

    AH-ah! Wrong! Instead , that just strengthens my trust in God the more because the soul of every living thing, according to the bible, including that of the doctor, is in His hand.

    Are you that blind to see the point? Don’t forget my succeeding statements.

    Because:

    Job 12:9 Who knoweth not in all these that the hand of the LORD hath wrought this?
    10 In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

    …including that of the doctor himself.

  47. jet says:

    To Sekularista,

    1. You asked, “Where in the Bible can we find about relativity, quantum mechanics, the life cycle of a star, germ theory, genetics, the internet, computers, robotics, global warming, evolution, asteroids, quasars, red giants, neutron stars, stem cell research, and so on and so forth. ”

    It is all in there, except for EVOLUTION I believe. :) Even in one verse.

    Daniel 12:4  But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

    Knowledge shall be increased, it says.

    Oh, and bout these heavenly bodies.

    Amos 9:6  It is he that buildeth his stories in the heaven, and hath founded his troop in the earth; he that calleth for the waters of the sea, and poureth them out upon the face of the earth: The LORD is his name.

    Nehemiah 9:6  Thou, even thou, art LORD alone; thou hast made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth, and all things that are therein, the seas, and all that is therein, and thou preservest them all; and the host of heaven worshippeth thee.

    God made them all, according to it.

    2. You asked, “Why can’t the bible make accurate predictions? For example, why can’t they say something like—”at the millionth decimal point, the digits of Pi are 5789323421.” Or something like that?”

    Impertinent question!

    a. Still, the bible has an answer. Isn’t PI, circle?

    Isaiah 40:22  It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:
    :)

    b. There is even a compass in the bible.

    Isaiah 44:13  The carpenter stretcheth out his rule; he marketh it out with a line; he fitteth it with planes, and he marketh it out with the compass, and maketh it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house.

    They were used to carve the eyes of their idols.
    :)

    c. Accurate Predictions? Too many. One example.

    2 Timothy 3:1  ¶This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
    2  For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
    3  Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
    4  Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
    5  Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
    6  For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
    7  Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

    In the last days, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God. Isn’t this accurate? You serve as an evidence of this.

    This is very accurate!

    Just a correction to my last post.

    If he is hungry, give him something to eat.

  48. susan gutierrez says:

    let me ask you sekularista! could people 2,000.-3,000. yrs back

    have uderstood RELATIVITY, QUANTUM MECHANICS, LIFE

    CYCLE OF A STAR, GERM THEORY, CANCER, DIABETES…….and

    so on and so forth…..?!?!?…..C A N U F O L L O W? …..or let’s make

    it to the time of your grandparents!!! do you think they will

    uderstand what INTERNET, LAPTOPS, AIDS, SARS, STEM CELL

    RESEARCH and so on and so forth meant?!?!….STILL CAN’T GET

    IT?!?…..talk to your parents about IPOD’s, O2’s, IPHONE’s, BLOGS,

    and so on and so forth!!!!!

    why can’t the BIBLE make accurate predictions like digits of PI are

    5789323421?….again let me ask you! do you think FAITH has it’s

    place in the dictionary….. if people would know the exact time(up

    to the last second)?!?…

    Adam & Eve suddenly popped out? the GOD of the BIBLE created

    them!!!! creation of the universe in 6 days?!….YES!!! but not the

    24hr/day as u perceived it to be!!!!!he!!he!!he!!!WHY CITE IT IF U

    DON’T BELIEVE IN IT???? you said, i am picking the passages that

    HAVE ALREADY BEEN VERIFIED BY SCIENCE!!!!YES!!!…. & YES!!

    he! he! he! and discarding those that contradict current findings.?
    nyaahh!! if fact the BIBLE PREDICTED CURRENT FINDINGS!!!!!

    NO WONDER U ARE SO CONFUSED!!! U DON’T HAVE A LEADER

    LIKE WE HAVE( BRO ELI), WHO TEACHES US GOD’S WORDS IN

    THE BIBLE(for us to understand history, medicine, science, and

    currents events)!!!!!!

    and oh..!!! you’ll find relativity, quantum mechanics, genetics,

    internet, robotics, global warming, cancer……and so on and so

    forth……even you….. in the BIBLE!!! want some verses? nyaaaahh!

    you will only say, i am cherry-picking!!!GOOGLE IT if u like!!!he!

    he!he!….but……… you’ll find these ONLY IN THE MOST SENSIBLE

    PREACHER OF OUR TIME(Bro Eli Soriano).

    till next time(GOD willing)! am pretty sure u don’t get it!!he!he!he!

    susan

  49. Haunted says:

    I read through your article and I failed to find any evidence that god healed an amputee. I see that your claiming god healed the sickness of that amputee. Your making an extraordinary claim there. Could you provide me with evidence that god healed the man’s sickness and not the medical treatments and or skills of the medical staff? I would like to give you the benefit of the doubt on this. Please provide me with evidence that suggests god healed this persons sickness. You have my e-mail feel free any time your ready. You may also get my e-mail address of my blog http://godsfake.blogspot.com/

    I do want to suggest that in the future if you make claims like this you include some evidence to back it up.

    For other people who have posted on this site. I’m sure you have heard the saying “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”. This bible cannot serve as evidence for itself.

    This is no different than me saying I worship Jack and the Bean Stalk. I know that it’s true because it says so in the book Jack and the Bean Stalk.

    Same goes for a defendant in court. He must prove where he was at the time of the murder. His world does not serve as evidence. I hope I made this understandable.

    http://godsfake.blogspot.com/

  50. elmantheman says:

    As if “Haunted” gave an intelligent comparisson of Jack and the Bean Stalk and worshipping God.

    How could you make such a foolish comparisson?

    Are you out of your mind? Who do you think will worship Jack and the Bean Stalk, should the bible was no different from the former?

    Maybe, Jack and the Bean Stalk was told by the storyteller to ridicule the Bible. But you are worst than the writer like what you are doing right now.

    Haunted, how long will you taunt God?

  51. elmantheman says:

    Haunted, maybe, Jack and the Bean Stalk was told by the storyteller to ridicule the Bible. But you are worse than the writer as what you are doing right now.

    Haunted, how long will you taunt God?

  52. jet says:

    To Haunted,

    It seems that for you people, to see is to believe. I notice you always say, “show me this and that”. Let me ask you a few questions then:

    1. Do you believe that you have a mind?

    If no, you must not be human being.

    2. Can you see it?

    If yes, you must not really be human being.

    3. Do you believe in it?

    If no, what are you then?

    I know you believe that you have a mind, which you cannot see. You believe because most of the time, if not everytime, that is where your decisions and thoughts come from.

    The same thing with God, the Creator. We may not see Him, but the invisible things of Him, are clearly seen from the creation of the world.

    Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    You might say, the universe was created because of the big bang theory. Remember, it is still a theory up to now. A THEORY is very much different from a FACT, which you want us to base our beliefs from, and not on the bible, which you do not believe.

    And granting without accepting for a while that the big bang is true, let me ask you some more questions then:

    1. Where did all these elements that make up the universe now come from?

    2. Does science already have an answer for that?

    3. Can man create any of these particles out of nothing? Don’t tell me aliens did it.

    You see, if there are things that man, which is the highest life from according to science, cannot do or create, there must be a higher entity who created them.

    It is still wiser to believe in God, the Creator more or rather than any creation like man.

    Romans 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

  53. Greg says:

    EFS calls those asking the amputation question ‘fools’ and ‘idiots’. Which at best isn’t polite, more so it is clear an opinion is formed without argument. To say their opinion was incorrect and explain why would have been more professional, not that religion is known for being professional – by definition it only endorses it’s own views and dismisses all others – be they right or wrong – on principle.

    As to the ‘meat’ of the reply, the article is entitled ‘God does heal amputees’ however when reading the article EFS failes to show any mention of God actually doing so. Instaed we have a rant at the other side and a justification of God based on the following:

    – God must be real, because when a person recovers and another doesn’t having had the same treatment it must be God that made the difference.

    Sadly this excludes the obvious points 1) every one is an individual, some people have survived amazing odds and others die from minor things. 2) For every case of a person being prayed for and recovering (EFS calls this ‘healing’) it would be easy to produce as many cases where a person WAS prayed for but didn’t recover (Roy Castle to name one in a million) and many, many of other religions and atheists who do not believe in a Christian God, yet recovered.

    As for the ‘other side’ they come out with a load of supposition presented as fact (God didn’t create the world 6,000 years ago is one – God could have created it and created it looking much older and appreaing to have been there for billions of years, if one presumes that God is all powerful – there is no hard evidence that he DID or he DIDN’T) and a series of leading questions like ‘that doesn’t make sense, does it?’ which are the most un-scientific and unprofessional way to put an argument.

    I am not saying God exists or doesn’t. All I know for absolute certain is that both sides are religions. One side hell bent on saying God does exist, one side hell bent on denying it. Both sides present laughable arguments and neither side can be reasoned with. Arguably the Christians are the most unreasonable, arguing like the Flat Earth society.

    There is one saving grace though, if the atheists are right they win… nothing. It also wouldn’t matter if anyone believes in God if they are correct. If the christians are right, the atheists lose out (depending on your view of the afterlife – which is yet another unproveable debate).

    Greg.

  54. elmantheman says:

    Greg, if God thinks like you do, then you are equal. But He is above the heavens and you are below. Yes we can deliberate about what we know and fight for it and that is a worthy value to have. But remember also that there are more great values to have like, humility, fairness, etc. There are also scientific attitudes like open-mindedness, resourcefulness, curiosity, etc.

    If you keep yourself lock in a box, then, I do not think that you can be relied on. Maybe you are totally weighed down by the anxieties of life the lead you to just not care at all.
    We are not lizards that can grow a body part when the need arises. We are man. The bible says so. The bible imparts of a process of salvation and even healing. Can it be rushed? Is there a short-cut to the path leading to salvation or even healing? If there is, it is by God’s will, as imparted from the bible.

    Jesus said in Luke 21:32-36, I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. Be careful, or your hearts will be weighed down with dissipation, drunkenness and the anxieties of life, and that day will close on you unexpectedly like a trap. For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man.
    Thank you for your thoughts, though, because the readers are able to dissect how people like you in the neutral side thinks.
    Eventually, the readers will be able to differentiate how people like you; atheists; other religions; and people like us think!

    Together with Bro Eli, I pray to God that we can continue to impart the real example of biblical and logical reasoning.
    Actually, if we try to analyze how Greg and other atheists think, you will be able to realize that they just generalize and if you continue to ask them, it will come to a point of inconsistencies and conflicting ideas. One example of their thoughts is, or should I say, stand is:

    “I am not saying God exists or doesn’t. All I know for absolute certain is that both sides are religions. One side hell bent on saying God does exist, one side hell bent on denying it. Both side’s present laughable arguments and neither side can be reasoned with. Arguably the Christians are the most unreasonable, arguing like the Flat Earth society.

    There is one saving grace though, if the atheists are right they win… nothing. It also wouldn’t matter if anyone believes in God if they are correct. If the Christians are right, the atheists lose out (depending on your view of the afterlife – which is yet another unproveable debate).”

    They always start reasoning with the pronoun “I”, followed by their own belief! Would their belief or stand be able to save us? Greg’s stand is not a solution to the main concern of us all, to seek the truth. He is inclined to neutrality and to care-less.

    Can’t they distinguish that Bro Eli’s stand are based on the bible. All information are founded and no one can attest it. But thanks be to God for we are able to see the difference of what is biblical reasoning against fools’ reasoning.
    Have a reality check readers! When people begin to dissect every information under the sun and disregard the bible, where do you think the information are founded? You are just being deceived as they were even now.

    But be aware too that most of the time, the deceivers use the bible. Now, if bible users or not can deceive, what can we do to avoid being deceived? Analyze first who is talking and also from which denomination he belongs to. Because some Christians are just using the title but not living in conformity with the scriptures. Once you are able to find out which group are living by example and are able to give consistent doctrines, then you can call them Christians.

    You can also compare each teaching: whether we are comparing about two different Christian groups; or if we are comparing two atheist groups. They can use the verses from the bible but they cannot use it perfectly, there are always loopholes like what Satan say during Jesus Christ’s fasting. But Jesus Christ is able to state the correct scripture.

    It is better to first check the doctrine of one Christian group and finds the inconsistencies. It is wrong to generalize that all Christians have the same doctrines. Refer to the bible for as much as consistency is concerned.

    Paul said: Hebrew 5:11-14 we have much to say about this, but it is hard to explain because you are slow to learn. In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God’s word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

  55. Viv says:

    There is one volume alone, on the face of the earth, which documents, through the pens of men in various historical periods, the writings of the One who claims that He is Creator God, there is none other and catalogues creation pre-human, human and prophesies the end and if that isn’t enough, He documents between the beginning and the end, the major details of all nations. Along with this He gives intimate and personal advice to all individuals.

    Nothing in creation reproduces anything other than its own kind. Humans are created in the image of their father/creator, the God kind. The disbelief of God’s warning and belief in Satan’s deceit led to the consequential fall to carnality (mankind minus the God-kind spirit because of sin) leaving the carnal human, with only the spirit in man, with TWO CHOICES ONLY – to stay carnal or be reconciled through pardon.

    There were only two major choice in Eden, the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Once the latter was chosen, the Tree of Life was no longer available. Those of the Tree of Knowledge CANNOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE TREE OF LIFE BECAUSE IT IS BARRED FROM THEM. The only restoration TO THE TREE OF LIFE is through the only God-given bridge, between the two, Jesus the Messiah. Once you choose a tree you burn your bridges to the other. We have a restoration choice RIGHT NOW. We are spirit, soul and body. The spirit is of one of two types only, God (Tree of Life) or Satan/carnal (Tree of Knowledge). The soul or mind is deceivable and has to learn the truth from the manual provided by the Creator and the body is the fruit produced by the roots (source) and circuit board (mind-supply).

    The carnal mind is deceitful, influenced by the god of this world who hides his identity to most unsuspecting ‘normal people’, defensive and very cunning. It is the origin of all religious counterfeits, the most deceitful being the christian ‘religion’ which is paganism in new clothes because it bears the same names but denies the truths behind them. This is the pit which some genuine seekers of God fall into and then lament when God doesn’t perform. It is also the pit where confusion will stop some wanting to see the truth and get out of it. Satan will do all in his power to keep us deceived. Since Christ, born a human being, paid humanities penalty for sin, NOW the only power available to satan consists of hi-jacking human authority by deception. He wants to keep this knowledge from humanity at all costs and religious confusion is a major con which people don’t understand because they don’t read the maker’s handbook.

    Instead of looking to pathetically pseudo-science, men’s ideas, theories, etc. ad nauseum, go directly to the horse’s mouth – i.e. The Word of God. Jesus said those who have ears to hear, hear.

    God has already performed.

  56. Viv says:

    An example of restoration of anatomy can be seen in the Chiruwa hills, Vadoma with the Ostrich People some of whom had their feet restored to normal by those preaching the Word of God for deliverance, repentance and restoration through Christ.

  57. elmantheman says:

    Hi! Viv,

    That is what I also meant when I wrote this:

    Hypocrisy and Masturbation

    June 9th, 2007 – No Responses

    The deeper we hop, swim, even dive in the abyss of wonder, to wander which is tantamount to the desecration of being human, not necessarily a rational animal but curious living creature, the more we let go of blush from our face that partially reflects how we can be brittle despite becoming malleable and truly dynamic, an adaptation, an effect of colonialism.

    We become obsessed of what we can say and preach nonetheless forgotten to think and accept that not all is chosen to be the temple from which His divinity will oscillate to the benefit of those ears that learned to digest what not of this world but that manna originating from His grace.

    We are impregnated of two realities asexually that we tend to be numb as we become the fetus, the mother, the slave of obscenity of which we take leisure of. We never dare to wake up or even twink an eye with the fear, worse, the pleasure of machinist wanting as heroes, forced to play a role opposite that which was written.

    Our dilemma has no holes but thorns that prick our fate threaded from malicious faith we treasure, and offer, to our temple where idols blossoms like weeds that masturbate our insanity that we never really intended to ejaculate but so many a thought that sprang out of it that we never managed to contain therefore it bursts as poison within.

    But the father of this world never rest to adulterate and create the pagan state from which he finds possession of life that never really his, followers that blindly lead by a blind, a fool’s gold anonymity.

    Until, The Voice reverberated to the walls of lead, that obstructs the sense which was long and overdue almost forfeited, we found a hole from which we took a deep breath we came and freshen our humid mind.

    published in kaanib.net

    Reference
    Masturbation: To sin or not to

  58. caden says:

    this has to be some of the worst logic i’ve ever read in my life… it’s like the author of this article is a complete idiot… even as a christian i would never suggest anyone use this article to defend their faith

  59. Beiruth says:

    When science fails. Prayer prevails.

    Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
    Philippians 4:6
    King James Version

  60. elmantheman says:

    Looking back, though I have both working legs, I can say that I am considered to be an amputee, crippled in the spirit, by God.

    But now that I found the truth, God healed me. I am now walking in the old path. The path that God has provided for us even from the beginning that leads to holiness and salvation.

    John 5:

    1Some time later, Jesus went up to Jerusalem for a feast of the Jews. 2Now there is in Jerusalem near the Sheep Gate a pool, which in Aramaic is called Bethesda and which is surrounded by five covered colonnades. 3Here a great number of disabled people used to lie—the blind, the lame, the paralyzed. 5One who was there had been an invalid for thirty-eight years. 6When Jesus saw him lying there and learned that he had been in this condition for a long time, he asked him, “Do you want to get well?”

    7″Sir,” the invalid replied, “I have no one to help me into the pool when the water is stirred. While I am trying to get in, someone else goes down ahead of me.”

    8Then Jesus said to him, “Get up! Pick up your mat and walk.” 9At once the man was cured; he picked up his mat and walked.
    The day on which this took place was a Sabbath, 10and so the Jews said to the man who had been healed, “It is the Sabbath; the law forbids you to carry your mat.”

    11But he replied, “The man who made me well said to me, ‘Pick up your mat and walk.’ ”

    12So they asked him, “Who is this fellow who told you to pick it up and walk?”

    13The man who was healed had no idea who it was, for Jesus had slipped away into the crowd that was there.

    14Later Jesus found him at the temple and said to him, “See, you are well again. Stop sinning or something worse may happen to you.” 15The man went away and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.

    But even if you are crippled physically, you can still walk in the old path that God has provided for you since time immemorial. Living in holiness is a way we walk as we take our journey in the materialistic world. The feet and hand symbolizes work.

  61. Natalie says:

    Viv,
    Where can I learn more about how the Vadoma people got their toes restored? I lost my right leg in a car accident coming home after cheerleading practice several years ago.

  62. Kamen Rider Ouja says:

    To 8 alvin matias:

    really? can you show me the proof, oh brother in christ? come on, dude! show it to me! i wanna see this!

  63. Kamen Rider Ouja says:

    To 25 sekularista:

    dude, about the bubonic plague in europe that killed millions of people, the reason for it is poor sanitation and hygiene, since there is no sewage system at that time, all human excrements were all over the place. in return, the rats poison grew in power and killed all those folks. worse, after the muslims defeated the catholics in the crusade,they reintroduced back the hygienic methods that those people ignored that whole time. and yes, the bible taught many sanitary rules for us to use in our daily lives, whether physicall, spiritually and emotionally. and about long life adam died 930 years old, noah 950, methuselah 969, lamech 777, and seth 912. why? because everything they ate are fresh, their medicines came from nature their lifestyle is healthy. and dude, all those who medicine inventors you mentioned took their ingredients from nature or rather their inspiration is nature, and about the clergymen, they are satanists! a real man of GOD would use his tongue, not sword to propagate the word of GOD. i tell you, bible and science work harmonious with each other. dude, the wise won’t be able to find baby jesus if not for astronomy, which is a branch of science. nor moses would order the israelites to bury their excrements into the soil ala compost. nor the washing of the hands before eating. is there more? there is more!

  64. Kamen Rider Ouja says:

    i forgot the y in physicall = it should be physically.

  65. Kamen Rider Ouja says:

    and about the wise = it should be wise men!

  66. Juliet says:

    “… Did not science hear their prayers? Is science imaginary? Answer these, oh, fools. And I hope you will see what you have not seen! ”

    — well duh… bading ka talaga eli soriano. science NEVER claimed that it is all knowing, all good, all powerful. E yang bobo at kupal na God nyo ay ganun. Pero di niya magawang patubuin ang kamay at paa ng mga amputees! BOBO!

  67. Brothasoulja says:

    keep in mind folks, that there is no human medicine that actually CURES an illness. All of our so-called scientific reasoning and deduction still to this date (4/26/08) cannot I REPEAT CANNOT cure a common cold. We can only treat the symptoms but never the actualy virus itself. Just food for thought

  68. Wosret says:

    Yes…healing an amputee means making the limb grow back. Though it still would not count as evidence unless it can be performed in a controlled environment, was repeatable, and the proposed explanation (i.e. goddidit) was falsifiable.

    Otherwise all we can reasonably say is “I don’t know how that happened”. Anyone claiming to know without the above explained evidence, is a charlatan.

  69. N.Smith says:

    Why won’t God heal amputees…answered

    It is important for sin to have a bad consequence therefore, humans have to live in a painful world. In the devil’s world people make mistakes, sometimes small, sometimes very big. The bigger the mistake the more dangerous the consequence. Some mistakes cause you to loose an arm, or sometimes they cause others to loose limbs. There is no real scientific evidence that I am aware of that proves God does not heal amputees, but such healing does not seem to be a recurring event. When dealing with miracles there is the question of faith, do you have the ability to ask God for what you need. If you are someone who feels the need for God to give you something whether a limb or etcetera, you need to learn to pray with faith. One of the problems with miracles is no one asks for healing anymore, how do we expect to get miracles if we do not ask. Another problem may be that we do not know how to ask with our hearts. Most people ask with their tongue as if God was some sort or butler or waiter standing there silently, happy to do our will. We have to have more respect in our asking, if our hearts don’t want God won’t give. The dangerous thing is many times we ask God for sinful things with the secret wishes of our hearts. God many times surprisingly will grant these wishes, maybe that is the detriment of this world. I believe evil people are finally sent to hell because they seek God’s energy, because they seek to be gods as Eve did, when people are sent to hell they finally get a taste of God’s power. Think about the secret evil dreams that may have come true, what if you had ambitiously asked for honest things. If God is going to give when you ask and allow you to succeed, why not succeed in an honest way. To digress, it is not hard to get a miracle just find your heart and ask with it, be careful not to ask for things that may endanger you.

  70. Clifford says:

    The fact that I don’t do a certain thing that you might want me to do is not proof that I don’t exist.
    Same goes for God.
    It is the height of human arrogance to make such a presumption.

  71. Robbie says:

    If I ask you to come to my house, stand on one leg and jump around clucking like a chicken and you don’t do it, I conclude (using a very widespread argument) that you don’t exist.

    Who said God is a genie in a bottle who does everything we ask?

  72. darkangelx says:

    From God so believe it!

    I can not regrow limbs from shoulder down or the knee down from land mines or explosions. I say this to you now, I am not all powerful. I can not regrown limbs overnight. I can make you ‘feel’ good on the inside, without giving you any tangible proof, as faith is believing in something without proof. Please give my messengers money so that they might spread the word.

    The sheeples prayer, please say it with me in unison:

    “I am weak and scared of the unknown, so I take what I was taught from a young age and profess it to be true without logic, without reason and without thinking, the tools of which God has given me. If I can not find an explaination, it is god’s will. If I do not like what god has done, then it is said god works in mysterious ways. God will never exist (to be, in physical form on this earth) because then there would be no faith, but fact.

    I am afraid that when I sleep I might not awake so please someone out there help me should I cease to be. I need to be a sheep and to be led around because I am ignorant and stupid for trying to not find truth and fact, but instead believe in fables and lies. I need to be told weekly that everything will be okay. I need the threat of divine justice to not do evil. I need the promise of some kind of reward to do what is right. I need god in my life, fore without him I would die and turn into ashes. Oh wait, that will happen no matter what. Amen.

    Btw does anyone have proof of everlasting life yet? Everything that lives on this planet dies. So what Jesus meant to say was AFTER you have DIED and therefore it is NOT ever lasting LIFE, you will have everlasting AFTERLIFE. Right? NO one that believes in him dies right? Oh thats metaphoric, not literal.

    Whatever gets you through the day, but I still call you all delusional. I say unto you 1st me verse one: Those that believe in something without proof are fools, not those that question those that believe in something without proof. For those that question others that believe in something without proof at least show the ability to think on their own.

    Btw can someone show me pictures of a WWII, Korean war, Veitnam, Iraq, amputee that has REGROWN a limb ever. Before and after pictures please. I do not mean a graft or a machine taking its place. Show me where god made a man PHYSICALLY whole whos arms and legs WERE NOT THERE. Please? Pretty please with sugar on top? Can I get THAT miracle? I do not care if you respond to the BS I was spouting above this paragraph. It was more for my entertainment than to convince ignorant people to actually THINK and not just BLINDLY believe.

    ~darkangelx

  73. elysean says:

    This has nothing to do with the blog and the atheist thing–but i wanna say a bit proportionately. my thought lingers,there really are such ‘hardened’ for even if a miracle happens in their sight,for the sake of argument the regrowing of an amputated limb they(foolish atheists!) will not believe.i ask specifically,if so that god can regrow a limb,will u then believe.im quite sure u will still reject god.
    Personally,how about us bro.eli remotely residing from soceity,starving for god’s word thru u,we’ve been deprived hearing repetitive airings from radio.we are poor folks farmers who cant acquire expensive computers but only relying on radio.please give heed to our plight,please air some newer broadcasts.it is spiritual pleasure to hear you speak wondrous things!
    To the atheists (and the likes),there more time for absolution.may god touch ur stony hearts.
    Good day!!!!

  74. elysean says:

    This is personal.

    I dont care what atheists believe but i pity them all,satan’s chow figuratively speaking.BUT what the heck!If they dont believ god’s existence,they dont blieve in satan too.A bit lucky to say,they cant b satanists.hehe…
    Bro eli,HOW ABOUT US,poor farmer folks,remote ctizens of the world,we are less-updated on ur present works and ministry.what can we do,we cant afford expensive computers but only relying on radio,the thing is,we dont hear newer broadcasts but repetitive airings again and again.PLEASE HEED TO OUR PLIGHT.We delight most of all in hearing wondrous words of god thru u but we feels DEPRIVED ,we the farmer folks who lives in remote place,feels left out,starving to hear u less fortunately though on radio.Personally,aside from radio my only access to ur website s thru phone browsers but i deliriously want more like perhaps i can hear u more intimately on radio,ur works abroad ur expositions worldwide which s actually missing in ur antiquated radio broadcasts.
    I hope this will come to ur attention.
    From an inactive member by reasons i have no control.

    **ELYSEAN**

  75. mark R says:

    If it is human science (as they believe) that is instrumental in the healing of diseases and sicknesses, why can’t science heal the very same illness whereof a person was healed, when it affected another person who died? Did not science hear their prayers? Is science imaginary? Answer these, oh, fools. And I hope you will see what you have not seen!

    Science makes no claims that it can heal the sick and raise the dead. Your god does. Yet he only does it in Jesus’ time. So…what is your point. Science is not a religion, but a method of determining the outcome of a given set of circumstances. Predictability. Science is a description of the way the world behaves based on measurements, and repeatable experimentation. Religion is a description of the world by imagination. Science describes the way the universe works, religion describes the way you wish it would work.

  76. Sethuraman says:

    The real answer is ‘WE DO NOT KNOW IF GOD IS REAL OR IMAGINARY” …some people BELIEVE THAT GOD IS IMAGINARY and REST BELIEVE THAT GOD IS REAL ..that is it …..
    it is nothing more than a belief …it is possible that God is real …( see how planets were created ..universe , gravitation, north pole, south pole, male and female , reproduction etc) ..how life came on to earth from nothing ….ALL THESE SAYS THAT THERE IS A SUPERPOWER …however NO ONE PROVED beyond doubt that GOD IS REAL …which means equal chance of God being imaginary …so what to do …WHEN WE SEE THE WORLD …WE SEE THAT IN ORDER TO LIVE HAPPILY WE NEED GOD ..to have moral values WE NEED GOD ..to convince ourselves in worst disaster we NEED GOD …and WE STILL WONDER HOW UNIVERSE GOT CREATED FROM NOTHING ..so better SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO BELIEVE THAT GOD IS REAL unless proved that GOD IS IMAGINARY ..hope this makes sense !!!

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