Can a Homosexual Make it to Heaven?
June 2, 2007 by Bro. Eli
Going to heaven is an attainable thing — Attainable even of the poorest of the poor!
(Luke 6:20-23) “And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh. Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man’s sake. Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.”
Lazarus, in the parable of the rich man, was able to make it to Abraham’s bosom: representing happiness in heaven with the Father.
(Luke 16:19-23) “There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.”
To the contrary, the rich and the educated that trust in themselves and in their wealth can hardly make it to heaven.
(Mark 10:23-24) “And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!”
The rich are admonished by God to trust in Him, and not on their wealth to be worthy of the kingdom of heaven.
(1 Timothy 6:17-19) “Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not highminded; nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God, who giveth us richly all things to enjoy; That they do good, that they be rich in good works, ready to distribute, willing to communicate; Laying up in store for themselves a good foundation against the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.”
Homosexuals have made it to the congress and the senate of my home country. The possibility of an empire having ruled by a homosexual is 100 percent.
Homosexuals are human beings. All human beings are product of God’s pro-creative power. What is attainable by ‘normal’ human beings (if homosexuals are considered by others as abnormal) can be equally attained by them, also. But how about making it to heaven? The Bible has this to say:
(1 Corinthians 6:9-11) “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.”
The verses made mention of ‘effeminate’ or homosexuals, and abusers of themselves with men, but they were accepted in the Church and sanctified through the power of God and the Spirit of Christ.
God wants all men to be saved.
(1 Timothy 2:4) “…who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. RSV
Many a pastor or religious leader of our time has erroneously associated homosexuality with sodomy. They mock homosexuals and condemn them to hell because Sodom was destroyed by God and appointed unto everlasting destruction; but a careful study of the scriptures will reveal to us that homosexuality is not sodomy and sodomy is not homosexuality.
Sodom and Gomorrah were not the only cities destroyed by God as many perceived. Actually, there are more cities surrounding Sodom and Gomorrah that were brought by God to destruction.
(Jude 1:7) “Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”
The verse says that this cities — including Sodom and Gomorrah, have given themselves to fornication and have gone after strange flesh.
STRANGE?
Yes, because they have, in their lust, ‘left the natural use of women and burned in their lust one towards another, men with men, and women with women’! THESE ARE NOT HOMOSEXUALS. Homosexuals, in their desire, do not lust with women. Although a homosexual do it with a man, he does not do it with a woman. These people of Sodom and Gomorrah are not homosexuals, but perverts. The parallelism was mentioned by Jude. Observe the two verses:
(Jude 1:6-7) “And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”
The ‘angels’ mentioned by Jude left their ‘own habitation’ and kept not their first estate, even as Sodom and Gomorrah have left the ‘natural’ and turned into strange flesh. What did these angels do, prompting God to condemn them into eternal fire?
(Genesis 6:1-7) “And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, that the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bore children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
These sons of God who took the daughters of men as wives are angels! Angels are called in the Bible as ‘sons of God’ singing with joy during the laying of the foundation of the world, when there were no human beings yet.
(Job 38:4-7) “Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?”
Some of these angels sinned against God when they left their first estate and habitation, and mingled with humans, and have produced a hybrid called ‘giants’ in the days of Noah. These angels are the spirits that were imprisoned, to whom Christ, when He died, visited and to whom He heralded His victory over evil, according to Peter.
(1 Peter 3:18-20) “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.”
The word ‘preached’ used by Peter is ‘kerusso’ in Greek, which means to herald.
kērussō
kay-roos’-so
Of uncertain affinity; to herald (as a public crier), especially divine truth (the gospel): - preach (-er), proclaim, publish. (Strong’s Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries
Dictionaries of Hebrew and Greek Words taken from Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance by James Strong, S.T.D., LL.D., 1890.)
As angels can lust with daughters of men, men of Sodom and Gomorrah, because of their overwhelming lust, have sought the angels who visited Lot and wanted to have sexual knowledge of them! These are men, and the angels who visited Lot, also, have male human forms.
(Genesis 19:1) “The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground…” NIV
(Genesis 19:4- 
“…Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-both young and old-surrounded the house. They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.” Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.” NIV
These men of Sodom and Gomorrah are not homosexuals, but perverts! If there are people being condemned by God because of sexual addiction, they are not the homosexuals, but real men and women (if we can call them real) who, because of their sexual perversions, may do ‘it’ with the opposite and the same sex!
(Romans 1:26-27) “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.” NIV
There are decent and God-fearing homosexuals. Although, naturally, they have affection for men, but they practice self-control to obey God’s law!
(Titus 2:11-12) “For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live selfcontrolled, upright and godly lives in this present age…” NIV
Can these decent and God-fearing homosexuals make it to heaven?
I BELIEVE THEY WILL!
God Bless.
EFS
Oh brother,
I believe out of love and concern for homosexuals you have written this post.
And yes, love is the only way they are going to come to Christ and be forgiven.
However, it must be noted that homosexually is an act of sin just like many other sins. Fornication, idolatry, adultery, theft etc. etc. are just a few that are in the same category.
Christ came and died for all sin. If the sinner (anyone who sins) comes to Him in repentance, there is forgiveness for their sin.
I might note that you quoted 1Cor. 6:9-11. To remind you, it says, “but such were some of you”. That is past tense. They were.
In the end, we must love the homosexual just like any other sinner. If they have not forsaken their sinful life style and come to Christ to be forgiven of their sin, they will not make heaven their home. That’s God’s word, as hard as it may be to swallow.
God’s grace to you,
Richard
this was the reply of my friend Nigerian: Bababtunde Dosunmu a muslim I already send this article to him and just waiting for his reply. I thank God for you teaching us and giving answers to the question of those who are mislead.
hi my friend.
got your mail after i resumed duty today,thursday.i am a bit puzzled over the reaction of one of your respondent about the sinful acts(regardless of country,races,religious believes..etc)
the facts remains that it is an act strictly condemned by the scriptures(bible and/or qoran).
the words of ALMIGHTY GOD remained undoubt.
rather than we crying for GOD’s forgiveness of some of our human misdeeds,yet,we are trying to paint it and dress it as a widely and popularly committed sins.FOR GOD IS THE MOST PATIENCE AND FORGIVING SUPREME BEING.
i dont hold any personal grudges against whatever anyone practise/believed in,only that i am looking at it from the perspective of GOD’S wrath onto the people of Lots in sodom/gomorrha.
God Almighty never made a mistake in creating Adam AND Eve.He knew we all are meant for each other in life.
please convey my mail to your unidentify fellow.
THE WORDS OF GOD SHALL COME TO PAST…….
There are really decent and God-fearing homosexuals. They are counted as intelligent Christians.
If homosexuals accepted and believed the word of God and bear it in their minds and do not do badly things which they did before, then they will be save. (I Corinthians 6:9-11)
Some people who are bashing homosexuals are the one who are committing indecent acts of homosexuality like Ted Haggard.
Thanks for this very biblical insight Brother Eli. More power to your blog.
I’ve got a problem.
Let me show first how “homosexual relationships” which seems (I’m unsure) to be:
Encounter >>> Relationship >>> Interest >>> Friendship >>> Desire >>> Bondage >>> Intimacy >>> Romance >>> Commitment … > more likely leading to > Sodomy plus other sexual perversions which is clear in our doctrines that such acts were wrong.
Now, “modified homosexual relationships” which seems to be:
Encounter >>> Relationship >>> Interest >>> Friendship >>> Desire >>> Bondage >>> Intimacy >>> Romance >>> Commitment … plus God (which means, not leading to sodomy plus other sexual perversions)
To explain how “modified homosexual relationships” works, it goes like this:
“I personally don’t think our relationship is a hindrance to our service to our Heavenly Lord. In fact, we have every opportunity to do everything He commanded us to do by simply being together. (Anonymous)”
Bro. Eli, what can you say about that?
I would like to express my deepest gratitude to you, Bro. Eli for tackling this very special issue. I have Christian friends who are homosexuals and I firmly believe that they are more stronger than most men and women, especially those outside the church, when it comes to defending the truth that they have known. I admire these Christians who continually walk toward the path that God wants us to tread. I believe that it’s hard to be a Christian homosexual, especially in this day and age, where temptation is everywhere. But I believe that God entrusted these very special men and women with extraordinary gifts, but these extraodinary gifts come with extraordinary tribulations, ranging from petty name-calling to discriminations and whatnot. But once they prove that they can surpass the temptations and the tribulations that come with their special designations, I believe that it will further prove that they are true men and women in the real sense of the word in God’s wonderful eyes.
Thank you Bro. Eli.
We love you.
We pray for your safety.
The glory is always God’s.
homosexuals can still make it to heaven even though they remain to be a homo. as long as they dont commit fornication or what you are so called “sodomy” they can make it to heaven. in fact, homosexuals had been an instrument by God in propagating His words that’s why im here as a member already. Thanks be to God He used these people to introduce to me His divine words T_T
it is needed to be well explained…otherwise, speculations will be sought here and fro….
That’s why we need a sensible person to tackle about this things in order for many to be not mislead…
Thanks to GOD! We had you Bro. Eli…
We miss you a lot…Wherever you are….
AMEN!!!n_n!!!
Hello pinch_hopper ! Im not B. Eli but I’d like to share a few thoughts with you. In your model of “homosexual relationships”, you actually never modified the “Christian model”, which makes me think which God do you refer to?
The god of catholics don’t care about Desire >>> Bondage >>> Intimacy >>> Romance >>> Commitment even among priests and seminarians.
pinch_hopper said: … plus God (which means, not leading to sodomy plus other sexual perversions)
Biblically speaking, Christian homosexuals are expected to be clean and holy both in body and in spirit. If they can’t endure a 360 degree change upon baptism in the Church of God, and they can’t learn to have a heterosexual relationship, then the best option will be to remain single. And that’s a brotherly advice I’d like to share with you. It really bothers me that you who claim to be a Christian (in your webpage) can concoct an idea of a homosexual relationship such as this one: Desire >>> Bondage >>> Intimacy >>> Romance >>> Commitment
Such kind of idea may only spring either from personal experience or from experiences of friends who surround you or the people you know.
pinch_hopper said: I personally don’t think our relationship is a hindrance to our service to our Heavenly Lord. In fact, we have every opportunity to do everything He commanded us to do by simply being together.
God’s Word speaks of a man and a woman becoming one…
PS
To:pinch_hopper
God’s Word speaks of a man and a woman becoming one within the bounds of marriage.
It does not matter whether you are a straight man or woman, a gay or a lesbian. What matters is your obedience to God’s commandments and your fear in Him. And in the Bible it is clearly stated that God shows no partiality, but in every nation any one who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to Him. (Acts 10:34-35 -RSV)
“Train up a chld in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it”
Proverbs 22:6 ,English Standard Version
One of the factors,”personal view”,in our present society of degeneration is that the information age overwhelms us humans as to who and what are beneficial. Many are,”most probably”, unaware of the havoc caused by television,internet,the mass media and people indoctrinated by intoxicating beliefs that they teach others unaware or willingly.
The CHURCH are facing the many likes of these kind and our hope and faith should be firmly rooted by the Undefiled,Pure Doctrine of CHRIST,inorder to survive these evil,perilous time humanity is facing today!
Scripture:
But, as it is written,
“What no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart imagined, what GOD has prepared for those who love HIM’-
I Corinthians 2:9 ,English Standard Version
Yes,people who belong to the “third sex” (coined word) as others would call it. Can,will,may go to heaven!
What should be done to be able to witness or see what GOD has prepared?
Scripture:
“Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see GOD”
Matthew 5:8 ,English Standard Version
Our HOPE,your hope,every one that is pure in heart shall see GOD in HIS “appointed time”, are our HOPE in GOD and not in the knowledge of men that passeth away!
Scripture:
And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of GOD is with man. HE will dwell with them, and they will be HIS people, and GOD HIMSELF will be with them as their GOD”. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning nor crying nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.
Revelation 21:3,4 ,English Standard Version
Indeed, Apostle John wrote what he has seen that we may rest our hope in HIM that is GOD who can never lie!
notice what the scripture says;
“….for the former things have passed away.” Amen!
Believe in the Infallible Truth in Bible! A preacher which none of the perverters can withstand is teaching us today by the Grace of GOD that is in CHRIST.
Scripture:
“But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life.”
Revelation 21:27 ,English Standard Version
GOD is calling you and will make known HIS Words to you!
Scripture:
“If you turn at MY reproof, behold, I will pour out MY Spirit to you; I will make MY Words known to you.”
Proverbs 1: 23 ,English Standard Version
May all,you who seek the Truth,hunger for, find what your pure hearts desire.
Scripture:
“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.”
Matthew 5:6 ,English Standard Version
May you who desire find learning and rest for your souls
Scripture:
“Take My yoke upon you, and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.”
Matthew 11:29 ,English Standard Version
More Power and GOD Bless in CHRIST to “THE BEST BLOGGER”, to you brother Eli and to them that are pure in heart!
Gay people of the world! Light has shun upon your kind! For so long a time have the proponents of the major religions who claimed that they teach the truth and way to salvation have not only isolated the third sex but
condemned them of not having any chance of salvation,not even a glimpse of it. I highly recommend you continue to study the teachings of the Bible which is discussed thorough and accurately by bro.Eli and with it read the Bible. Remember, blessed is he that readeth and listeneth and followeth…Rev. 1:3
to all the homosexuals worldwide..this item is for you…
TO GOD BE THE GLORY !!!
Hi moris!
It seems that you misinterpreted my concept of “modified homosexual relationships”. It’s NOT me who made the quoted statement, but that is based from a REAL personal experience of another brethren I knew. Maybe you forgot the open-and-closed quotation marks I used, which you must understand that I got it from another source. (You’ll see how dangerous it is to ommit periods, commas, quotation marks, for this simple error he did made him think that I’m giving myself as an example). Anyway, he’s a brethren (so, it’s not a Catholic god which he worships), and he’s been always asking Him if that kind of relationships is “okay”, but since it is not yet clearly emphasized in our doctrines, he lived with these assumptions.
Your comment, “It really bothers me that you who claim to be a Christian (in your webpage) can concoct an idea of a homosexual relationship such as this one: Desire >>> Bondage >>> Intimacy >>> Romance >>> Commitment”
It makes me feel that you’re accusing me of inventing stories (concoct = devise or invent). There should be nothing bothering you for I did nothing that will disprove my claim to be a Christian. I have lots of evidences here (100+ love letters from that homosexual brethren) which I had used to formulate the idea of a homosexual relationship, so it’s highly advisable for you not to rebuke something you don’t know at all. Of course that person also deserves the right of privacy, so it’s improper to show them one by one in public.
Another comment, “God’s Word speaks of a man and a woman becoming one within the bounds of marriage.”
Of course I know. Besides, I haven’t said that the homosexual I had mentioned wants marriage to his male partner, simply a commitment to be his lifetime partner, even until the eternity. His male partner is allowed to marry a woman, but they are committed to each other in a way that no matter what happens, they will always be staying together, even with the presence of his partner’s wife.
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David and Jonathan (courtesy of Queen_Lyonesse)
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Granting for the sake of argument, let me ask you how would you explain the relationship of David and Jonathan. Here are those:
I Samuel 18, 20, 25, 31
II Samuel 1
Let’s emphasize II Samuel 1:25-26, “How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in thine high places. I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.”
Now let’s look what kind of love Jonathan feels to David. Yes, he called him a brother (just like a homosexual treats the one he loved as a brother in faith), but don’t you know what the love he had shown is a feminine love?
H160
אהבה
‘ahăbâh
a-hab-aw’
Feminine of H158 and meaning the same: - love.
Now let me ask you, if that event happened again (Ecclesiastes 3:15) in this era, is it lawful or not? Biblical answers please…
Well i hope a few friends of mine can read this because they are way out of bounce. They actually have sex with the same gender
Amen,. and i thank God for the informative website like this and We hope that God will always take care for you Bro. Eli for the teachings and the answers for the different issues of faith….
if homosexuals are ruled out in salvation, millions of them would be instantly condemned..
- some groups ( they even call themselves as christians) are firm on this whimsy
on a certain demographic which i’ve read
The New York-based Company, Spare Parts, Inc., which helps companies
market to gays, estimates that the United States gay and lesbian
population is between 15 million to 23 million. According to another
study (Inter@ctive Week, August 30, 1999. Pg. 20.), the US gay
community consists of over 19 million people with an estimated buying
power of $800 billion. Worldwide, these figures are much larger.”
—- source http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=271269 , http://www.gaymarketexpress.com/
imagine these numbers !! how could some religiously-claimed-groups ignored this facts ….
this is well written in the Lord’s book —–
1 Timothy 2:4) “…who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. RSV
if God give them a fair-chance on salvation..who are we then, not to?
To rjperalta:
“However, it must be noted that homosexually is an act of sin just like many other sins. Fornication, idolatry, adultery, theft etc. etc. are just a few that are in the same category.”
I really don’t know if I got it right. Is being a homosexual a sin already? If that’s what you mean - I beg to disagree.
I have seen homosexuals or people in the third sex following God’s will in the bible. Being homosexual is not a choice nor a sin. If they only have to choose a life, would you think that they will choose a life of homosexual. Being homosexual in the Philippines is so hard - they are experiencing oppressions and mockings from our countrymen. Third sex are considered and treated as third class citizens (except for rich gays - where their money can speak for them!).
If they act “soft” or feminine is not their choice - it just comes natural to them. Is it already a sin to act like that?
I believe with strong conviction that, IT IS THE ACTION THAT MAKES A PERSON SINNER - NOT HIS PERSON PER SE. What do I mean?
Being a MAN or WOMAN (straight as we call it) doesn’t exempt us from commiting sins - the same is true with these homosexual. It’s our act that makes us sinners - if we can strive to walk in God’s path - I believe they can do it as well. For it is the will of the Father to SAVE ALL MEN - if you consider these people as HUMAN - then they are entitled for God’s salvation:
“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. ” - Gal 3:28
pinch hopper has his own set of doctrines. in all those long hours of my reading the Bible i have not encountered the term “modified homosexual relationship” just like what he is saying. maybe pinch hopper could shed some light with regards to WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN HE FIND “MODIFIED HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP”? im just curious though.
Hi quiel!
Your comment, “pinch hopper has his own set of doctrines. in all those long hours of my reading the Bible i have not encountered the term “modified homosexual relationship” just like what he is saying. maybe pinch hopper could shed some light with regards to WHERE IN THE BIBLE CAN HE FIND “MODIFIED HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP”? im just curious though.”
FIRST, I DON’T have my own set of doctrine, neither teaching you what is “Modified Homosexual Relationship”. It was really my question addressed to Bro. Eli, that’s why misconceptions arise for trying to answer somethng which is not your business. I don’t know if you’re well-educated about the word “seems”, which is I am also unsure, that I neither affirm or deny anything (that’s why I cannot shed you light regarding this; only by example of what that homosexual did). Kindly read my post wery well, that you can’t find anything that I am inventing my own doctrine nor teaching about “modified homosexual relationship”. I’m talking about my observations, NOT my teachings.
SECOND, You can’t really find “modified homosexual relationship” in the Bible, just like you can’t find “metamphetamione hydrochloride” in the Bible. But you must understand the phrase “and such like”, meaning, there are others not mentioned by St. Paul but are having similarities with the ones he mentioned. This time, “modified homosexual relationship” has something to do with “adultery” and “fornication”, a way for satan to make those sins to look more “lesser evil”.
THIRD, I used to disagree with this “modified homosexual relationships”. I’ve been reprimanding that homosexual brethren a long time ago, but he said, “I personally don’t think our relationship is a hindrance to our service to our Heavenly Lord. In fact, we have every opportunity to do everything He commanded us to do by simply being together (Anonymous).” I have proven that it is WRONG, for I noticed that he stopped attending our gatherings when his boyfriend left him. It’s satan’s new device which I am trying to make you aware of, though I myself cannot completely understand it (for how can I explain “homosexual feelings” without experiencing it first?). Since this is NOT YET an issue during St. Paul’s time backwards (”modified homosexual relationships” is different from “abusers of themselves with mankind” and/or sodomy), we have to be aware that satan “upgrades” his devices to deceive even the elect.
FOURTH, you should not just read the Bible in just long hours of sitting, but you must also be able to understand it. You want me to find in the Bible “modified homosexual relationship” verbatim, which you seem to overlook I Corinthians 4:6. Remember, NOT ALL truths are written in pen and ink. If you’re still curious about it, I cannot tell completely, for I have not read the heart of that brethren, but I can only base my explanations from his acts.
LASTLY, You said, “…in all those long hours of my reading the Bible i have not encountered the term “modified homosexual relationship” just like what he is saying…” Since you have read the Bible for long hours, I’ll give the same question from moris to you, if the relationship between David and Jonathan happened again (Ecclesiastes 3:15) in this era, is it lawful or not? Biblical answers please…
Kiesa’s example, “Well i hope a few friends of mine can read this because they are way out of bounce. They actually have sex with the same gender”, is what St. Paul is talking about in I Corinthians 6:9-11 KJV being “abusers of themselves with mankind”, “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.”
If they will be washed, be sanctified, and be justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God, they have the chance to be saved, just don’t do those things willingly after knowing this truth (Hebrews 10:26-27).
Lets ask a straight-forward question:
If a man performs anal sex or fellatio with another man, both with mutual consent because of their love and lust for one another, are they deemed as homosexuals and should they be granted a place in heaven or put to death as 1 Romans 1:26-32?
TO PINCH_HOPPER, I CAME ACROSS UR MSGS AND I HAV READ SOME OF THE REBUTTAL BET. U AND THOSE HU DIS-AGREE WID U AND I MUST SAY THAT U GOT IT ALL WRONG!UR PRIVATE INTERPRETATION OF 2SAM.1:26 HAS MADE U CONFUSE MAKING U SAY “BUT SINCE IT HAS NOT YET CLEARLY EMPAHSIZD IN OUR DOCTRINE,HE LIVED WID THESE ASSUMPTIONS”AY! NAKO MAGPADOCTRINA KA ULI BRAD!I SUGGEST U TWO SHUD GO 2GETHER FOR INDOCTRINATION.SAAN BASURAHAN MO NAPULOT YANG ABSURD IDEA THAT IT IS NOT YET CLEARLY EMPHASIZED IN THE DOCTRINE?I SAY U DID NOT GIVE EMPHASIS ON LISTENING INTENTLY TO THE DOCTRINE THAT Y ITS NOT CLEAR TO U AND TO UR HOMO FREND.AND U WERE USING THE HEBREW DICTIONARY?AY NAKO NKAPANGAHAS!HOW DARE U INSINUATED THAT THE 2 OF THEM(DAVID N JONATHAN) ARE HAVING A GAY RELATIONSHIP!AND UR USING THIS VERSE TO SEEMINGLY JUSTIFY THE “MODIFIED HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHP”.YES, LUV IS FEMININE BUT IT DOESNT FOLLOW THAT ITS A “HOMO-LUV”.POOR JONOTHAN!BEING ACCUSED BY HOPPER AS A HOMO,U DID NOT SAY VERBATIM THAT HE’S A HOMO AND HE AND DAVID ARE HAVING HOMO MODIFIED RELATIONSHIP BUT UR INSINUATING AND IMPLYING THAT THEY ARE!ITS SIMPLE ANALYSIS.AND TO PROVE U WRONG PAY ATTENTION TO DETAILS,HOMO OR MODIFIED HOMO AS U CALL IT HAS A “>>ROMANCE>>COMMITMNT” FORMULA WHILE ON THE OTHERHAND DAVID AND JONATHAN HAS A “FREINDLY>>COMMITMNT” SORT OF A RELATIONSHIP GOING ON BETWEEN THEM.THERES NO ROMANCE INVOLVED BETWEEN JONTHAN AND DAVID RELATIONSHIP!JONATHAN SAID THAT THE LOVE THAT HE FELT 4 DAVID WAS PASSING THE LUV OF WOMEN,MEANING,THAT THE LOVE THAT HE FELT 4 PARENG DAVID WAS BEYOND THE LOVE OF WOMEN INFACT ITS BETTER THAN THE LOVE OF WOMEN W/C S EROS(ROMANTIC/EROTIC LOVE) BEC. THE PHILIA(FREINDLY LOVE) THAT THEY SHARE WAS BETTER THAN EROS(EROTIC LOVE).UR MODIFIED HOMO RELATIONSHIP REQUIRES ROMANTIC/EROTIC/SENSUAL SUBSTANCE WHILE FRENDLY BROTHERLY LOVE DOESNT REQUIRE ROMANCE W/C HAPPEN 2 BE THE RELTIONSHIP OF DAVID AND JONATHAN.
to rjperalta
just wanna comment on what you posted in your comment about homosexuality - “However, it must be noted that homosexually is an act of sin just like many other sins. Fornication, idolatry, adultery, theft etc. etc. are just a few that are in the same category.”…..i believe that your view about this topic is wrong…because being a homosexual alone is not a sin….as long as you are not doing anything wrong or anything against God’s Law, homosexuality alone cannot be considered as a sin…Homosexuals are only considered as sinners if they are doing the things that you enumerated…..hope you understand…just want to share my thoughts bout yours….paolo
long live to all CHRISTIAN GAYS OUT THERE…!!!!!! BE HAPPY….let us continue our service to our Creator…..
May i suggest that those questions raised to Bro.Eli be transferred to Ask Bro ELi Portion, In that section, bro ELi answers querries one by one… I’m also interested how Bro ELi answers your querries Pinch.. Also, your arguments with My Secret Identity..Please copy paste to that section. Thanks
Masculinity, femininity, homosexuality is earthly matters only, these are all deals with the flesh as Lord Jesus Christ said in (Matthew 22:30) ” For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
As what I understand of Brother Eli point of view that:
“Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment”. (John 7:24)
“But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more”. (Luke:12:4
Therefore:
GOD judge perfectly according to justice, love and faith which specifically according to time, status of life, gender, environment, situation, ranks, generation, knowledge, well-being, and many more.
So:
No matter of what is your personality, whether you are masculine, feminine and homosexual you have a chance for an everlasting life as long as you live according to justice, love and faith and following the two greatest commandments which is love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
And you will not like this:
“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day”. (John 12:4
“Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness”. (Matthew:23:27)
EYES
TO RJPERALTA,OH BROTHER! U GOT IT ALL WRONG! HOMOSEXUAL IS NOT NOT AN ACT OF SINNING ITS A GENDER U KNOW.DID U KNOW THAT U CAN BE GAY WITHOUT DOING THE ACTS OF SIN,FEELING LIKE GIRL SINCE BIRTH IS NVER A SIN,ITS NATURE,ITS GENETICS!AND IT HAS BIN PROVEN BY SCIENCE ALSO.SO ITS A REALITY THAT ANY1 COULD BE A HOMO W/O HAVING THE LIBERTY TO CHOOSE IF HE DOESNT WANTS TO BE ONE.INFACT I’VE SEEN AND HEARD AND TALK TO PIPOL HU WER BORN HOMO ,MEANING, THEY BECAME HOMOS W/O ANYBODY INFLUENCING THEM TO BE ONE.AND IF U WER TO ASK THEM IF THEY WANT TO B A HOMO?THEY’LL ANSWER U THAT THEY DNT WANT TO BE A HOMO BUT THEY JUST COULDNT HELP FEELING WAT THEYRE FEELING BEC ITS GENETICS.ST. PAUL WAS TRYING TO POINT OUT THAT THOSE EFFEMINATE HU WWER MAKING OUT WID MALES AND MALES HU WERE MAKING OUT WID MALES WILL NOT BE ABLE TO MAKE IT TO THE KINGDOM OF GOD.MEANING, THE ESSENSE OF HIS STATEMENT WAS SEXUALLY PERVERTED HOMOSEXUALS AND MALES CANNOT ENTER THE KINDOM OF GOD. 1COR.6:9-10 DO YOU NOT KNOW THAT THE UNRIGHTEOUS WILL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD?DO NOT BE DECEIVED;NEITHER THE IMMORAL,NOR IDOLATERS,NOR ADULTERERS,NOR”SEXUAL PERVERTS”,NOR THEIVES,NOR THE GREEDY,NOR DRUNKARDS,NOR REVILERS,NOR ROBBERS WILL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.=RSV=
Lets go back to the bible, (1 Corinthians 6:9-11) “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.”
Effiminate means Homosexuals…
Simple, there will be no Homosexual in heaven.
They will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Why? because its a sin.
In this late time, God still love us.
Homosexuals, just like the adulterers, thieves, extortioners, idolaters, has still the time to change.
God’s love the people, but not the wrong doing.
Before the Lord put His wrath again to these wicked people, Repent, and seek God to help you to change.
No turning back to the wrongdoing…
Peace.
Hi james!
Your comment, “TO PINCH_HOPPER, I CAME ACROSS UR MSGS AND I HAV READ SOME OF THE REBUTTAL BET. U AND THOSE HU DIS-AGREE WID U AND I MUST SAY THAT U GOT IT ALL WRONG!UR PRIVATE INTERPRETATION OF 2SAM.1:26 HAS MADE U CONFUSE MAKING U SAY “BUT SINCE IT HAS NOT YET CLEARLY EMPAHSIZD IN OUR DOCTRINE,HE LIVED WID THESE ASSUMPTIONS”AY! NAKO MAGPADOCTRINA KA ULI BRAD!I SUGGEST U TWO SHUD GO 2GETHER FOR INDOCTRINATION. SAAN BASURAHAN MO NAPULOT YANG ABSURD IDEA THAT IT IS NOT YET CLEARLY EMPHASIZED IN THE DOCTRINE?I SAY U DID NOT GIVE EMPHASIS ON LISTENING INTENTLY TO THE DOCTRINE THAT Y ITS NOT CLEAR TO U AND TO UR HOMO FREND.AND U WERE USING THE HEBREW DICTIONARY?AY NAKO NKAPANGAHAS!HOW DARE U INSINUATED THAT THE 2 OF THEM(DAVID N JONATHAN) ARE HAVING A GAY RELATIONSHIP!AND UR USING THIS VERSE TO SEEMINGLY JUSTIFY THE “MODIFIED HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHP”.YES, LUV IS FEMININE BUT IT DOESNT FOLLOW THAT ITS A “HOMO-LUV”.POOR JONOTHAN!BEING ACCUSED BY HOPPER AS A HOMO,U DID NOT SAY VERBATIM THAT HE’S A HOMO AND HE AND DAVID ARE HAVING HOMO MODIFIED RELATIONSHIP BUT UR INSINUATING AND IMPLYING THAT THEY ARE!ITS SIMPLE ANALYSIS.AND TO PROVE U WRONG PAY ATTENTION TO DETAILS,HOMO OR MODIFIED HOMO AS U CALL IT HAS A “>>ROMANCE>>COMMITMNT” FORMULA WHILE ON THE OTHERHAND DAVID AND JONATHAN HAS A “FREINDLY>>COMMITMNT” SORT OF A RELATIONSHIP GOING ON BETWEEN THEM.THERES NO ROMANCE INVOLVED BETWEEN JONTHAN AND DAVID RELATIONSHIP!JONATHAN SAID THAT THE LOVE THAT HE FELT 4 DAVID WAS PASSING THE LUV OF WOMEN,MEANING,THAT THE LOVE THAT HE FELT 4 PARENG DAVID WAS BEYOND THE LOVE OF WOMEN INFACT ITS BETTER THAN THE LOVE OF WOMEN W/C S EROS(ROMANTIC/EROTIC LOVE) BEC. THE PHILIA(FREINDLY LOVE) THAT THEY SHARE WAS BETTER THAN EROS(EROTIC LOVE).UR MODIFIED HOMO RELATIONSHIP REQUIRES ROMANTIC/EROTIC/SENSUAL SUBSTANCE WHILE FRENDLY BROTHERLY LOVE DOESNT REQUIRE ROMANCE W/C HAPPEN 2 BE THE RELTIONSHIP OF DAVID AND JONATHAN.”
It makes me feel that you’re just posting that one to accuse me. Have I interpreted II Samuel 1:26? I believe I’m just asking in my statement.
I’ve used Strong’s Hebrew dictionary, and the word “love” is of the feminine one. But still, I did no mention that David and Jonathan is having a gay relationship neither “modified homosexual relationship”. Don’t put words in my mouth, brother.
I’ve been attending our indoctrinations many times, but I haven’t heard a doctrine regarding the romantic feelings of a male to another male. What I know is, sexual activities of homosexual partners are UNLAWFUL. I’m also advising you to attend our indoctrinations again, now that Bro. Eli himself administer the indoctrination, so that you will not react aggressively to something not of your business.
It seems that your assumptions are based from a reckless judgment about my statements/questions. I see your effort in passing me the blame that I accuse David and Jonathan for having homosexual relationships. A thing I noticed is, why try interpret Jonathan’s feelings by your own? It is Jonathan who felt that, and what we only have here is the Strong’s Hebrew Dictionary, that the love he felt is something feminine.
Your reckless comment would give the homosexual a good excuse for him to discriminately treat the one he loved; he may say, “I’m just doing ‘good’ things to my ‘pare’ and I see there’s nothing wrong with that! Kung utos na mahalin pati kaaway, eh lalo na yung taong mahal ko.”
Now, if that homosexual brethren will express “‘ahăbâh” love for me, is it lawful or not?
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Hi Ronald,
Your suggestion, “”May i suggest that those questions raised to Bro.Eli be transferred to Ask Bro ELi Portion, In that section, bro ELi answers querries one by one… I’m also interested how Bro ELi answers your querries Pinch.. Also, your arguments with My Secret Identity..Please copy paste to that section. Thanks”
Good suggestion, but I think there’s no need for us to do it for he had already read about it. Our discussion with ‘My Secret Identity’ may be a factor for Bro. Eli to post this topic.
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PS.
Though I am a bit frustrated that replies for my posts seems too hard to comprehend (for not all commentators here are well-versed in the English language), I will just give way, assuming that my brother is better than me (Philippians 2:3) and to let myself suffer being defrauded (I Corinthians 6:7). The way posters reacted about a TRUE case of “modified homosexual relationships” makes me think that people here are all not ready for it, though I had witnessed it in my very own eyes. My job to inform you about it (I Titus 5:20; James 4:17) is over and I believe Bro. Eli’s post is enough.
Bro. Eli, I’m sorry for everything I had posted here. I should have asked you about my queries in private so that brethren will not stumble about it. I NEVER intended to invent my own set of doctrine nor to draw a fictitious story in the clouds, so whatever trouble I had made here, I’m here to apologize.
correction:
“My job to inform you about it (I Titus 5:20; James 4:17) is over and I believe Bro. Eli’s post is enough.”
should be
“My job to inform you about it (I Timothy 5:20; James 4:17) is over and I believe Bro. Eli’s post is enough.”
hi pinch hopper!
it’s never been in my character to say something which i am very much unsure of and please allow me to analyze your posts here.
FIRST. the term “modified homosexual relationship” came from YOU, in fact, YOU EVEN GAVE A ROUGH DEFINITION OF WHAT IT MEANS
hi pinch hopper
let me just finish my post because my internet speed is fluctuating.
FIRST. the term “modified homosexual relationship” came from YOU, in fact, YOU EVEN GAVE A ROUGH DEFINITION OF WHAT IT MEANS by saying and i quote you:”Let me show first how “homosexual relationships” which seems (I’m unsure) to be:
Encounter >>> Relationship >>> Interest >>> Friendship >>> Desire >>> Bondage >>> Intimacy >>> Romance >>> Commitment … > more likely leading to > Sodomy plus other sexual perversions which is clear in our doctrines that such acts were wrong.
Now, “modified homosexual relationships” which seems to be:
Encounter >>> Relationship >>> Interest >>> Friendship >>> Desire >>> Bondage >>> Intimacy >>> Romance >>> Commitment … plus God (which means, not leading to sodomy plus other sexual perversions)”. YOU EVEN DESCRIBED HOW YOUR TERM “MODIFIED HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP” WORKS by saying and i quote you:”To explain how “modified homosexual relationships” works, it goes like this:
“I personally don’t think our relationship is a hindrance to our service to our Heavenly Lord. In fact, we have every opportunity to do everything He commanded us to do by simply being together. (Anonymous)””.
SECOND. i really am having DOUBTS in my mind if you really are a brother or a sister in faith because you said and i quote:” It’s NOT me who made the quoted statement, but that is based from a REAL personal experience of another brethren I knew. ” because inside the church we are not allowed to tolerate such matter as what you are saying. we are obliged to tell church authorities if we happen to know such acts are being commited by a brother or sister in faith.
THIRD. you should have posted your post in the ASK BRO. ELI portion if you dont want to be rebutted since this is a community portal and ANYONE is welcome to post here and ANYONE can post about ANYTHING he or she wants to post. maybe you are just new to this kind of blog format so YOU REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO. its ok i understand its not your fault anyway.
GOD BLESS YOU PINCH HOPPER.
Let us just examine the way tradition and time change the concept or perception of a man.
1. Before, during old testament time it is accepted that you marry your near relatives but in the present time it is immoral.
2. Before, it is prohibited to eat fatty foods but in the present time it is allowable to the christian.
3. And before so many bad works and now in present time are acceptable such as the way a woman dress and others.
So, we should not judge according to the human standard because it is a hypocrites standard.
And now for you BIBLE BEARER you will be judge as a bible bearer also not for the reason that you are not effiminate, drunkcards, idolaters, adulteres and others.
You want sample then let us put yourself as a richman bible bearer claiming to Jesus christ like this;
Mt:19:16: And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mt:19:17: And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Mt:19:18: He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Mt:19:19: Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mt:19:20: The young man saith unto him, ALL THESE THINGS HAVE I KEPT FROM MY YOUTH UP: WHAT LACK I YET?
Mt:19:21: Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
If you can do of what Matthew 19:21 stated, then you are RIGHTEOUS!.
BUT, RIGHTEOUS is just only a standard or passing grade 75 in school because to be sanctified is through faith, mercy and justice.
EYES
Hi quiel!
FIRST, Your comment, “it’s never been in my character to say something which i am very much unsure of and please allow me to analyze your posts here.” Have you forgotten what St. Paul said, “And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.”? I doubt about what you said, as if you’re very sure of what happened with that homosexual brethren, as if you had known the WHOLE story. Oh well, I cannot do anything about pretentious claims.
SECOND, For some reasons, it seems that you are trying hard to slap me down for no good reasons at all. Don’t you know what the word “seems” means, that even I am NOT sure about it? How come you keep on dragging me into a conclusion I haven’t formulated yet? Do you suppose what you’re going will bring any good fruit? If you have proven me wrong at all, is Christ glorified at all, or you’re putting me to shame in public because of my kind conscience and endurance to what that brethren had done against me? Will that abusive action of yours make you holier?
THIRD, I’m simply asking a question to Bro. Eli so that I will know what to do to that homosexual brethren, that I may “revive” him. I really intended to post it here rather than in “Ask Bro. Eli”, for I need to assess what other brethren know about it, but my expectation was failed. I thought you’re all well-educated with our doctrines, too bad I expected too much. Anyway, it doesn’t mean that Bro. Eli can’t answer it here, but maybe a more private conversation with him, apart from the eyes of unlearned earthlings babbling what they don’t know at all. Hindi ko kayo masisisi kung ganyan kayo kababaw mag-isip, pero magpapadaya na lang ako para wala nang gulo.
FOURTH, Now I am too having doubts in my mind if you’re a brother or sister in faith for instead of doing what St. Paul had suggested in I Corinthians 6:7, you’re instead doing these things for strife (Philippians 1:15). A brethren in faith esteems others as better than themselves, but I wonder why you’re doing the opposite.
FIFTH, Your comment, “because inside the church we are not allowed to tolerate such matter as what you are saying. we are obliged to tell church authorities if we happen to know such acts are being commited by a brother or sister in faith”.
SIXTH, Do you suppose I did nothing about that? Don’t you know that we had consulted more than 5 workers, and all they can say is, for me to leave him then ignoring his approaches? Also, I believe that I am not the only person who knows about that! I am a kind of person who have a very wide mind and heart, so I gave him a lot of opportunity to change his ways, but no change happened at all, so I reported him to the Church authorities.
SEVENTH, Your comment, “THIRD. you should have posted your post in the ASK BRO. ELI portion if you dont want to be rebutted since this is a community portal and ANYONE is welcome to post here and ANYONE can post about ANYTHING he or she wants to post. maybe you are just new to this kind of blog format so YOU REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO. its ok i understand its not your fault anyway.”
EIGHT, I didn’t say that I don’t want to be rebutted. Also, I am not a newbie to this kind of blog format. For your information, I am a moderator of a forum site owned by a brethren, so it’s improper for you to claim that I don’t really know what to do. Maybe I don’t really know what to do, that’s why I raised that “modified homosexual relationships” since I don’t know what to do about it! I don’t know what is your intention for saying “YOU REALLY DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO” if it is to boast that you are.
PS.
Probably this is my last reply in this page until an educated brethren will want to help me about it. I no longer need your comments. I just want to hear from the sensible preacher of our times, Bro. Eli.
Vous tout gaspillent mon temps. Adieu.
Surely, without bro.Eli we can’t understand all of these….
ey!PINCH, HAAAY! LUMANG TAKTIKA NA YAN! YUNG “DNT PUT WORDS INTO MY MOUTH”KAYA NGA HNDI MO SINABI VERBATIM PARA D KA MAHULI KAAGAD BUT IT DOESNT WORK 4 ME MAN. THATS Y I SED IT B4HAND IN MY PREVIOUS MSG NA “U MIGHT NOT HAV SED IT NA HOMO ITONG SI JONATHAN AY BAKLA AND HE AND DAVID ARE HAVIN A MODIFIED HOMO RELATIONSHIP”BUT U CANNOT EVADE THE FACT FRM THE WAY U DRIVE UR ARGUMENTS UR RLI R INSINUATING/IMPLYING THAT JONATHAN IS GAY AND HE AND DAVID ARE HAVIN A MODIFIED HOMO RELATIONSHIP.U EVEN USED THE HEBREW DICTIONARY TO PROVE UR POINT THAT JONATHAN’S LOVE 4 DAVID WAS A FEMININE ONE.UR QUESTION WAS “IF THE HOMO BRETHREN WILL EXPRESS “ahabah” LOVE TO U,WILL THAT B LAWFUL OR NOT? MY ANSWER WILL BE LAWFUL! Y? BEC THAT “ahabah”(LOVE) JONATHAN FELT WAS NOT SENSUAL/HOMO/EROS LOVE AS U R TRYING TO INDIRECTLY SAY BEC THERE WAS A FEMININE GENDER REFERING TO THE WORD “ahabah”(love) MENTIOND IN THE HEBREW DICTIONARY.SINSE UR USING THE HEBREW DICTIONARY ALREDY CAN U DO ME A FAVOR TO MAKE THIS DISCUSSION MORE INTERESTING,CAN U CHECK OUT WHAT GENDER WAS USED IN “AGAPE”,”PHILIA” .NOW IF U CAN FIND A MASCULINE GENDER IN LOVE THEN MAYBE IT WILL MAKE UR ARGUMENTS MORE INTERESTING.4 ME I THINK THAT LUV IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN A FEMININE GENDER FORM JUST LIKE “WISDOM” W/C WAS IN A FEMININE GENDER,BUT I THINK I’LL WAIT KUNG ANO MAHANAP MO SA HEBREW DICTIONARY ABOUT DIFFERENT GENDERS USED REFERING TO LOVE.I SUGGEST MAKE IT COMPREHENSIVE….GUDLUCK…I’LL WAIT 4 IT..
No comment. I’m over.
hello mg frens
PINCH I WAS TRYING TO POST MY MSGS KANNINA PERO UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS NOT POSTED KAYA I AM USING ANOTHER NAME,INSTEAD OF JAMES I CHANGE IT TO JONKIE.CATCH U LATER NALANG CRU.NAHIHIRAPAN PA NAMAN AKO MAGTYPE TAPOS HNDI LANG PALA MA-IPOST
To my beloved brethren,
I’m haven’t even reached a year inside the congregation, and it’s not been once when I see this engage of arguments. To be truthful, I greatly frown at this kind of conversation, since it really do not prove anything. Not once have I seen this scenario. But please answer this to those who are fond of giving advises: how sure are you that your answers are correct? Have you really understand the situation, or the scenario presented?
Many times have people gave me “useless” advises. They feel they can help but they cannot. Worse, they make the situation more unbearable. I know that we have the duty to help one another, but I think there is no need to act as a “know-it-all” if you haven’t even seen the bigger picture.
Since I believe that many are “dependent” to what Bro Eli will say, then let’s just hear out what he’ll say rather than judge things which we hardly even know. Please; it’s really frustrating.
If you can’t get an immediate answer, I suggest just wait until Judgment Day. But, all in all, especially to those who raise numerous questions, please bear with me as I ask this questions:
What will you do after you attained the answers? What if the answers you hear are not what you expected? And, will everybody be able to understand or accept a single answer?
Maybe we should be more careful other than careless in our comprehension, especially judging something as good or evil without even knowing everything. Because as far as I know, we all have things that make us unworthy of His grace. If we immediately judge things even if it’s still not the right time, then we shall also be measured similarly.
Romans 14:13
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.
1 Corinthians 4:4-5
For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord. Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.
to my friend pinch hopper
you said and i quote:”Have you forgotten what St. Paul said, “And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.”? I doubt about what you said, as if you’re very sure of what happened with that homosexual brethren, as if you had known the WHOLE story. Oh well, I cannot do anything about pretentious claims.” well pinch hopper if you would be much CAREFUL about what i said I NEVER THOUGHT OF MYSELF THAT I KNOW EVERYTHING and BEING SURE DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN KNOWING EVERYTHING. i can be sure about how earnings per share is computed but i will never claim to have known all business transactions culminating as a result for my computations! you must realize that ALMOST ALL POSTERS HERE ARE CLOAKED UNDER THE GUISE OF AN ALIAS(PINCH HOPPER INCLUDED) AND ITS NOT VERY UNLIKELY THAT PERSONS OF QUESTIONABLE INTENTIONS TO POST MESSAGES INTENDED TO EMBARASS THE CHURCH THOUGH IM NOT CLAIMING PINCH HOPPER TO BE ONE OF THOSE.
pinch hopper my friend, WHERE IN ANY OF MY POST IN THIS BLOG CAN YOU FIND THAT I CLAIM TO HAVE KNOWN EVERYTHING? WHERE DO THAT CAME FROM? what i said was I WAS SURE and the reason for me to be and the only basis of my surety are your posts here. NEVER DID I MISQUOTED ANY OF YOUR POSTS NOR MALICIOUSLY INSINUATED ANYTHING PERSONAL AGAINST YOU. never have i read in any and all of your posts THAT YOU DONT WANT TO BE REBUTTED.
you said and i quote:” I am a moderator of a forum site owned by a brethren, so it’s improper for you to claim that I don’t really know what to do.” well if thats the case that you are a moderator as what you claim you are
to my friend pinch hopper
you said and i quote:”Have you forgotten what St. Paul said, “And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know.”? I doubt about what you said, as if you’re very sure of what happened with that homosexual brethren, as if you had known the WHOLE story. Oh well, I cannot do anything about pretentious claims.” well pinch hopper if you would be much CAREFUL about what i said I NEVER THOUGHT OF MYSELF THAT I KNOW EVERYTHING and BEING SURE DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN KNOWING EVERYTHING. i can be sure about how earnings per share is computed but i will never claim to have known all business transactions culminating as a result for my computations! you must realize that ALMOST ALL POSTERS HERE ARE CLOAKED UNDER THE GUISE OF AN ALIAS(PINCH HOPPER INCLUDED) AND ITS NOT VERY UNLIKELY THAT PERSONS OF QUESTIONABLE INTENTIONS TO POST MESSAGES INTENDED TO EMBARASS THE CHURCH THOUGH IM NOT CLAIMING PINCH HOPPER TO BE ONE OF THOSE.
pinch hopper my friend, WHERE IN ANY OF MY POST IN THIS BLOG CAN YOU FIND THAT I CLAIM TO HAVE KNOWN EVERYTHING? WHERE DO THAT CAME FROM? what i said was I WAS SURE and the reason for me to be and the only basis of my surety are your posts here. NEVER DID I MISQUOTED ANY OF YOUR POSTS NOR MALICIOUSLY INSINUATED ANYTHING PERSONAL AGAINST YOU. never have i read in any and all of your posts THAT YOU DONT WANT TO BE REBUTTED.
you said and i quote:” I am a moderator of a forum site owned by a brethren, so it’s improper for you to claim that I don’t really know what to do.” well if thats the case that you are a moderator as what you claim you are YOU MUST BE FULLY AWARE THAT IT IS POSSIBLE THAT YOUR POST CAN BE COMMENTED UPON BECAUSE YOU ARE A MODERATOR IN A FORUM SITE RIGHT?
LASTLY. you said and i quote:”Probably this is my last reply in this page until an educated brethren will want to help me about it.” CAN I ASK YOU WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? DO YOU MEAN TO SAY THAT IT IS YOU ALONE THAT IS EDUCATED HERE AND ANYBODY THAT DOESNT FIT INTO YOUR CONCEPT OF “EDUCATION” IS NOT EDUCATED OR CIVIL ENOUGH? i think im not the one who is having pretentious claims here like you said and i quote:”Oh well, I cannot do anything about pretentious claims.” i think YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS PRETENTIOUS! HOW DARE YOU!
please allow me to speak in tagalog:
PARA SA LAHAT NG AYAW MAPUNA NG IBA YUNG MGA POST NYA WAG NA LANG KAYONG MAGPOST DITO PARA DI KAYO MAPAGKAMALIANG MAY MASAMA KAYONG HANGAD LALO NA KUNG ALIAS PA ANG GAMIT NYO. KUNG GUSTO NYONG WALANG MAKABASANG IBANG TAO SA MESSAGE NYO DUN NA LANG KAYO MAGPOST SA ASK BRO.ELI SECTION NG BLOG NA ITO. MARAMI PONG SALAMAT SA DIOS AT SA INYO.
hi james! you’ve ben victimized as well by the moderator? I also had to change my log in name because the moderator never wana publish my rebuttals against some concocted ideas of a certain homo named “pinching waist hip-hopper”.
To send your reply to “d pinch moderator, click on her/his name and you can post on his/her webpage”.
“pinching waist hip-hopper” is a he-she, and very much undecided with his/her sexuality.
bro Eli’s blog is sufficient to address any question about the subject. those within the Household should have no reason to contradict each other.
i agree to ms terry
magpadaya na lang po kau sa isat isa…wag po sna kau d2 magdiskusyon…
Comments above may confuse the unlearned.
I want to give my thoughts and what I learned regarding this matter.
The term homosexual, defined outside the bible would mean a lot of things.
It can hurt people. It can cause death. It can cause suffering, not only to the subject (the homosexual) but also to the people around him/her.
For me, homosexuality begins when a male starts to take notice of a quality/s of another male (same sex). After this, he becomes curious to this new found feeling or emotion, because something about that man stimulated his emotion.
Who are we to judge if this is immoral or moral? Everyone feels the above examples whether his stimulation was caused by a male or a female. Everyone desires someone.
But desire can mean many things. Love can mean so much too.
Actually, it also depends on the upbringing of the person how he uses the new found stimulus or sensation, whether to perversion or just inspiration.
Perversion starts after taking notice of your opposite sex and then desiring him sexually.
Therefore what makes homosexuality immoral or unclean?
Let us not forget the basic truth regarding homosexuality.
Rome 1:
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
–To all the homosexuals, let us keep ourselves clean not only to the people seeing us more importantly to our God who made us.
Hi everyone who were rebutting me!
Thank you all for your abusive comments and accusations against me. I don’t have anything more to say but rather to step down to your level, I will just close my eyes, recalling how Jesus was spoken evil of, even from his fellow Jews.
Luke 20:20, “And they watched him, and sent forth spies, which should feign themselves just men, that they might take hold of his words, that so they might deliver him unto the power and authority of the governor.”
John 2:19-21, “Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days? But he spake of the temple of his body.
Matthew 26:59-61, “Now the chief priests, and elders, and all the council, sought false witness against Jesus, to put him to death; But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses, And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days. And the high priest arose, and said unto him, Answerest thou nothing? what is it which these witness against thee? But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.”
I will speak nothing more (to defend myself). Thank you very much for your unfriendly welcome and I hope that you’re all doing it by faith in God. I now rest my case. Crucify me if you wish, but I will not fight back.
Pouvoir Dieu m’épargne des frères faux.
WHHHHAAAATTTT!!!!!!????? DNT BE SUCH A SISSY PINCH! NOBODY’S GONNA CRUCFY U! GINAWA MO PA KAMING MGA JUDIO,AND HU DO U THINK U R,CHRIST? AND PLS 4 UR OWN GUD, PLS LEAVE THE OUR LORD OUT OF THIS,OK? MAGKAROON KA NAMAN NG DELEKADESA.SUCH UNSCRUPULOUS IDEA LIKE THE “MODIFIED HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP” IS PROHIBITED!AND PLS DNT USE 2SAM 1:26 TO SOMEWHAT JUSTIFY IT.NO CHRISTIAN PRACTICES “MODIFIED HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONCHIP”(>>>ROMANCE>>>COMMITMENT…PLUS GOD).WHEN U SAY UR COMMITED TO SOME1 ROMANTICLY IT MEANS THAT U HAV TO B ROMANTIC WID HIM IN WORDS AND IN DEEDS BEC.BEING COMMITED MEANS UR OBLIGATED TO DO SO.AND WHAT DO PIPOL DO WHEN THEY ARE ROMANTICLY(EROS) INVOVE? STARE AT EACH OTHER? COM’N DNT BE SILLY! IT STARTS LIKES A SPARK THEN B4 U KNOW UR BEING CONSUMED BY THE FIRE ALREDY! LAYO-AN NINYO ANG BAWAT ANYO NG MASAMA! DNT B FOOLED BY THE MYTERY OF INIQUITY! 4 WE R NOT BLIND NOT TO SEE WATS FRM AFAR.ISNT IT ENOUGH WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE HU STARTED WID THIS KIND OF MODIFIED HOMO RELATIONSHP WHO ENDED UP BEING EXCOMMUNICATED 4 THEY EXCHANGE THE GRACE OF GOD FOR LASCIVIOUSNESS,THESE ARE SENSUAL,SEPARATING THEMSELVES FRM THE TRUTH,HAVING NO SPIRIT.HEAR ME BRO.!AM SPEAKING TO U AS A WISE BELIVER! DNT TAKE THIS AS AN ANY FORM OF ABUSIVE COMMENT AS WER SAYING IN UR POST BUT TAKE THIS AS A SHARP CRITISIZM, AS A BROTHERLY ADVICE.Y WILL WE CRUCIFY U? U THINK OF US AS JEWS OR UR FELLOW BROTHERS? U ARE A BROTHER IN FAITH.WE LUVE U THATS Y WE REBUKED WHAT U SED WHAT WE THOT WAS WRONG.STAY STRONG BRO!
EY! WER DID MY POST GO? IT WAS SUPPOSE TO END PINCHE’S PROBLEM!PAMBIHIRA,,HEHEHHEHE…THIS GUY NIDS TO BE FIXED! HE’S THINKS OF US AS JEWS THAT WE HAV TO CRUCIFY HIM IF WE WISH SO.HU DOES HE THINK HE IS ,CHRIST? EY MAN!
LEAVE THE LORD OUT OF THIS.HAV SOME SENSE OF DELIKADESA.
I read pinch_hopper’s first post.
He gave an example of how he understand the meaning of homosexuallity therefore defined it through a diagram, model or analogy: where a relationship of two same gender (man to man) ends to sexual intimacy, csexual intimacy or sex.
In connection to the previous analogy, he then tried to state an example of how a homosexual relationship can end with just committment between two man and with God. He even stated similar analogy of an anonymous writer.
Now he asked bro Eli whether the latter, as he tagged it as modified homosexual relationship, without necessarily accepting the definition he gave through an analogy.
And since his last analogy insinuates a belief, or otherwise, maybe some people here thought that it was his belief.
But when pinch_hopper explained further his stand, it still insinuates that he was commenting based on his own experience and belief. He even gave an example of David and Jonathan relationship.
Actually, to answer your assumption on a man’s commitment with a man even if he has a wife insinuates a role of being a “querida.”
Is my understanding of your comment correct pinch_hopper?
Nevertheless, a true christian brother would not end his statement in such a way that gives a double meaning.
It is but unfair to us what you just did. You insinuated so much things from your sarcastic point of view. And my observation is not based on assumption but rather how I understood your sarcastic tone of ending your case.
You were really fighting back sarcastically.
By the way, sarcasm is “a cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.”
That is how we can distinguish a brother or not, by way he reasons out.
Just a brotherly advise, please, do not be defensive more so when you are hiding under a fictitious username.
You were really fighting back sarcastically.
By the way, sarcasm is “a cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound.”
That is how we can distinguish a brother or not, by way he reasons out.
Just a brotherly advise, please, do not be defensive more so when you are hiding under a fictitious username.
Ilapit sa manggagawa kung merong kayong problema o doktrinang hindi naiintindahan upang maitama kayo.
If there are any unclear matter you want to raise about our doctrines, we are always been reminded that we should ask these things to our assigned worker.
We always say that we really mean no harm but never stopped to speak.
Therefore, I ask for your patience, understanding and forgiveness should I have been too talkative. Peace!
Wow !
I just stumbled upon this post and was the first to comment on it. I had no idea that it would turn out to be such a shouting match (so it seems).
The only thing we can do here is come before God and His Word, and let His Spirit alone speak to us. If you have been born of His Spirit, let Him guide you into all Truth. Get alone and listen.
Jesus Christ came to into this world as “The lamb of God” and He died for all of our sins. “All have sinned and come short of the glory of God”. If we receive Christ as the forgiveness of our sins, confess and forsake them, He will abundantly pardon.
May God’s Grace be upon you all,
Richard
I have read the “logical defense” of certain individuals, and I am very disappointed by the posts of some individuals who claim themselves to be true brethrens.
Because first and foremost, your words are things which a true brethren will never utter. Maybe you should try to pretend somewhere else, because as far as I am concerned, your thinking seems to be too narrow for a brethren.
It’s true. The posts of many individuals here (I won’t be mentioning names) are nothing more but “attacks of recklessness.” They have failed to establish their stand and do not even know what they are mumbling.
Matthew 12:34, “O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.”
I wont be mentioning names. May your consciences be the one to speak for you. If this is the only display of “valor” which you can do; do it somewhere else.
Luke 6:45, “A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.”
That’s all. I hope such “discussions” will no longer be necessary. Gosh, how unsightly…
I have read the “logical defense” of certain individuals, and I am very disappointed by the posts of some individuals who post themselves as true brethrens.
Because first and foremost, their words are things which a true brethren will never utter. Maybe you should try to pretend somewhere else, because as far as I am concerned, your thinking seems to be too narrow for a brethren.
It’s true. The posts of many individuals here (I won’t be mentioning names) are nothing more but “attacks of recklessness.” They have failed to establish their stand and do not even know what they are mumbling.
Matthew 12:34, “O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.”
I wont be mentioning names. May your consciences be the one to speak for you. If this is the only display of “valor” which you can do; do it somewhere else.
Luke 6:45, “A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.”
That’s all. I hope such “discussions” will no longer be necessary. Gosh, how unsightly…
And for the record, PH is a “he”. I personally know him, and I believe some individuals judged him outright without thinking or knowing him first. And for that resons, even I doubt that you are true brethren in faith.
May there be mercy upon your souls…
Luke 11:54, “Laying wait for him, and seeking to catch something out of his mouth, that they might accuse him.”
lyonesse said and i quote:”And for the record, PH is a “he”. I personally know him, and I believe some individuals judged him outright without thinking or knowing him first. And for that resons, even I doubt that you are true brethren in faith.” I THINK THIS LYONESSE AND PINCH HOPPER ARE REALLY THE SAME PERSON GUISING HIMSELF AS TWO DISTINCT PERSONS UNDER TWO DISTINCT ALIASES. ITS VERY EASY TO USE TWO OR MORE ALIASES UNDER DIFFERENT E-MAIL ADDRESSES AND POST MESSAGES HERE IN THIS PAGE. ITS VERY POSIBLE.
Sorry to disappoint but “no”. It is not the first time that people thought that we are the same individual or person, but we’re not. You can ask a lot of individuals from this site if you wish to conduct an investigation of sorts.
http://www.yirmeyah.net
But, that’s your right. Nobody’s taking that from you. But as far as I’m concerned, we will be judged according to our individual actions. So, to the people concerned who were “hit”, sorry but I was merely defending someone (perhaps for the umpteenth time). Not that he cannot defend himself, but just because the exchange of arguments were simply unsightly.
That’s all.
Come on brothers! Let’s all meet face to face! Pinch is a nurse at ADD plyclinic in Apalit. Just meet him ther and accompany him to the MIC since regular workers have already given him some advice. Why do I use masculine pronouns with pinch? His birth certificate says “male” and his physical anatomy supports such claim. As to his “gender orientation” or “sexual identity”, the MIC can help him out
PS
im 100% female, in and out hahaha
Pinch,
When I say “im 100% female, in and out”, don’t try and
presuppose any other meaning. What I really mean is that I’m
female in every essence of the word “female”. How about you
Pinch hopper?
Hi P.A. mis yah!
hey cel d2
thats a very nice idea of yours because you said and i quote:”Let’s all meet face to face! Pinch is a nurse at ADD plyclinic in Apalit. Just meet him ther and accompany him to the MIC since regular workers have already given him some advice. Why do I use masculine pronouns with pinch? His birth certificate says “male” and his physical anatomy supports such claim. As to his “gender orientation” or “sexual identity”, the MIC can help him out:”. I THINK YOUR IDEA IS THE BEST!
Yes, there are homosexuals here on earth who do not perform such sexual acts with their partner,( though we may not deny their feelings of affection for the same sex), and those are God-fearing, real Christians, who are affiliated with the true religion (I Timothy 3:15).
[...] Can a Homosexual Make it to Heaven? [...]
Hi Everyone!
Twice I posted my counter-rebuttal, but a sort of personal bias was raised against me (by unknown persons). Therefore, I’ll rather help myself, knowing that my innocence became a pitfall which I never intended to generate an idea that David and Jonathan had any homosexual relationships. JAMES a.k.a. WOLVERINE! had been spreading stumblingblock at the e-Debate and yet I am defenseless in this point. It’s my time to act by myself, I think, since no one can really help me at all…
Note: Translated to English from Source.
Question: As per written in 1 Cor 6:9, what kind of homosexuals are those who will not be saved, are those who simply feel like the opposite gender, or those who perform homosexual acts like cross-dressing, relationships with the same sex like Puto (Daniel Veridiano), or those males who use lipsticks and other female accessories?
Answer: What I knew, whatever are those, they are washed, purified, and justified. Fornication of a male to another male is prohibited. But,we should check out first how the word “effeminate” wasused in different translations,
G3120
μαλακός
malakos
mal-ak-os’
Of uncertain affinity; soft, that is, fine (clothing); figuratively a catamite: - effeminate, soft.
American Standard Version: effeminate
Bishops: weaklinges
Contemporary English Version: pervert
Darby: who make women of themselves
Geneva: wantons
Good News Bible: adulterers
International Standard Version: homosexuals
King James Version: effeminate
Tagalog Ang Biblia: nangbababae
Ang Dating Biblia: nagsasababae
Noticed the variations of the words used? Simply the Tagalog translations, nangbababae (womanizing) is far alot different with nagsasababae (make women of themselves). By this observation, we must not be limited to the common knowledge about homosexuality, that the ones you are seeing are the ones whom St. Paul is referring to. We need to search deeper in the Scriptures to understand what would St. Paul is referring to
Isaiah 19:16,”In that day shall Egypt be like unto women: and it shall be afraid and fear because of the shaking of the hand of the LORD of hosts, which he shaketh over it.”
Jeremiah 48:41, “Kerioth is taken, and the strong holds are surprised, and the mighty men’s hearts in Moab at that day shall be as the heart of a woman in her pangs.”
Jeremiah 49:22, “Behold, he shall come up and fly as the eagle, and spread his wings over Bozrah: and at that day shall the heart of the mighty men of Edom be as the heart of a woman in her pangs.”
Jeremiah 50:37, “A sword is upon their horses, and upon their chariots, and upon all the mingled people that are in the midst of her; and they shall become as women: a sword is upon her treasures; and they shall be robbed.”
Jeremiah 51:30, “The mighty men of Babylon have forborn to fight, they have remained in their holds: their might hath failed; they became as women: they have burned her dwellingplaces; her bars are broken.”
Isn’t it that “to become as women” suggests being “fearful”? A proof is in Revelations 21:8, “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
Don’t you know that even the straight females must not be effeminate? So, St. Paul is NOT specifically referring to homosexuals alone, but EVERYONE (including the”straights”
who are